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Milliardo Peacecraft
03-05-05, 07:24 AM
I think this belongs more in this forum. Anyway, for a long while now I want to be a priest, but unfortunately dithered at it. It started in 1995 with the visit of Pope John Paul II here in the Philippines, and since then it has been going intermittently. Now the call is strong again, but I am now married. In the Latin rite I cannot become a priest, as celibacy is still a discipline there. However, in the Eastern Catholic Churches I can be a priest. The same is true, I think, in the Orthodox Church. Problem is there are no Eastern Catholic Churches here. There is one Orthodox parish near us, but their seminary is very far. So now my dilemma...
Pineapple Thief
03-05-05, 06:02 PM
Im more of a follower of human spirituality. I believe that religion, for the most part, is an intensely personal affair, and no order has an explicit right to tell you how to act. I respect that disciples to an order have willingly given themselves over to its rules and doctrines, in order to better themselves, and I have nothing wrong with that. In a lot of cases I'll support that.
However, for me, its more a purpose of self-discovery. I have a lot to learn from the various different viewpoints in Islam, as well as other religions and philosophies. However, I ultimately believe its up to each and every individual to follow their own path of self-discovery, because hopefully in the end we all end up in the same place.
How does this relate to priesthood? My opinion is that you might be better off this way. You're marriage should never get in the way of your dreams: its a beautiful thing and there shouldn't be regrets (Im not suggesting you have regrets of course). However, it doesn't mean you can't lead a life of worship and discovery. Just that you can do it your own way.
Good luck :)
shamsery
03-05-05, 10:22 PM
but I am now married. In the Latin rite I cannot become a priest, as celibacy is still a discipline there. However, in the Eastern Catholic Churches I can be a priest. The same is true, I think, in the Orthodox Church. .
Why this contradiction?
Interested learn, no commotion please.
Why this contradiction?
Interested learn, no commotion please.
Around the 12 century the Roman Catholic Church had a problem with land inheritence, the married Priest would leave his land to his family, the church didn't want this to happen anymore, so they made a ruling that all priests must remain celibate so the church could keep the land.
Eastern Orthodox did/do not have this problem because the church land is owned by the community and not the individual priest. Although their equivilant to bishops have to be celibate.
so they made a ruling that all priests must remain celibate so the church could keep the land.
So the land is more important than the risk of child abuse.
shamsery
04-05-05, 02:13 PM
Around the 12 century the Roman Catholic Church had a problem with land inheritence, the married Priest would leave his land to his family, the church didn't want this to happen anymore, so they made a ruling that all priests must remain celibate so the church could keep the land.
Eastern Orthodox did/do not have this problem because the church land is owned by the community and not the individual priest. Although their equivilant to bishops have to be celibate.
Thanks a lot.
You mean, if I am not wrong, Church used allocate (Ownership) land to Priest.
owner of the land was Church in fact?
malak84
04-05-05, 02:29 PM
I think this belongs more in this forum. Anyway, for a long while now I want to be a priest, but unfortunately dithered at it. It started in 1995 with the visit of Pope John Paul II here in the Philippines, and since then it has been going intermittently. Now the call is strong again, but I am now married. In the Latin rite I cannot become a priest, as celibacy is still a discipline there. However, in the Eastern Catholic Churches I can be a priest. The same is true, I think, in the Orthodox Church. Problem is there are no Eastern Catholic Churches here. There is one Orthodox parish near us, but their seminary is very far. So now my dilemma...
Salam everyone ..
Hello Milliardo Peacecraft :)
we all humenbeings and it is the nature that we have some needs in life that we have to do it becouse its a nature that we cant chage it!! for example can you chage the shape of the flower...?no its the nature we cant ..can you chage the nature of a monkey eaten banana into orange ..no we cant its the nature so we as humen can we ignore or change our physical and Spiritual needs..? no we cant...anyway my point is marrige is requested to cover your physical needs and worship your God is requested as well to cover your Spiritual needs in life ...it balances... :) ...
Note:am not attacking ..its sharing my idea..though you are free to be a preist
Thanks a lot.
You mean, if I am not wrong, Church used allocate (Ownership) land to Priest.
owner of the land was Church in fact?
The owner of the land was the priest. Either he bought it or it was inherited from his family. Rather greedy of the church if you ask me.
shamsery
04-05-05, 05:55 PM
The owner of the land was the priest. Either he bought it or it was inherited from his family.
If it was belonging to Priest , next of his/her keen can inherit.
Church does not loose anything.
Rather greedy of the church if you ask me.
Could not understand.
A good discussion should not be directed to other way.
shamsery
04-05-05, 11:15 PM
We are waiting.
"All are not saints who go to church"
Milliardo Peacecraft
05-05-05, 03:13 AM
Why this contradiction?
Interested learn, no commotion please.
It's not a contradiction: in the Latin rite, celibacy is a discipline. St. Paul and certainly Christ Himself favoured celibacy. It was true, however as well, that a number of the Apostles were married (though they left home and family to follow Christ). We see in the Bible that there were instances of married clergy as well. The current discipline in the Latin rite is partly imposed since as a priest, the Mass is offered daily, as well as caring for the parish and community. A married man would have to devote his time both in pastoral duty and family life, something which can be a strain as being a priest is a 24/7 job. Though as a discipline it can be rescinded, and it might be that married men might be able to become priests in the Latin rite as it is done in the Eastern Churches and Orthodox Church.
If it was belonging to Priest , next of his/her keen can inherit.
Church does not loose anything.
This would not not have been a problem if the person inheriting the estate was a priest. The problem was however the person inheriting was not a priest (it was usually left to the wife first and then the children) then the church lost this land.
Could not understand.
A good discussion should not be directed to other way.
Do you understand now that until the priest bought the land the church didn't own it and when the priest died the church lost the land.
When this celibacy law came into effect, the priests who were married had to throw his wife and children out, even if it meant that they will become destitute.
Anyway it was just my opinion of the church at this time, had nothing to gain by voicing it, except to show you where I stand.
shamsery
05-05-05, 11:28 AM
Do you understand now that until the priest bought the land the church didn't own it and when the priest died the church lost the land.
Do you mean, what ever belongs to a priest (Estate, moveable and unmovable property) from any source, no matter, it would be property of Church after he/ she passes away.
Do you mean, what ever belongs to a priest (Estate, moveable and unmovable property) from any source, no matter, it would be property of Church after he/ she passes away.
Exactly :star:
What kind of property a priest could have if he is only sitting in the church doing nothing?
However, if he is a married man with family, source of living then we cans say he might leave something behind him.
shamsery
05-05-05, 06:59 PM
Do you mean, what ever belongs to a priest (Estate, moveable and unmovable property) from any source, no matter, it would be property of Church after he/ she passes away.
Exactly :star:
I like it.
To be honest , this should be applied for all Godman of all religion.
I like it.
To be honest , this should be applied for all Godman of all religion.
What about the "godmen" that have a family?
shamsery
06-05-05, 12:01 PM
What about the "godmen" that have a family?
Godman= I mean like priest .
In every religion you will get them.
In our religion, “Pir” Imam, in Hindu religion, saint (shadu or sannasi) in Buddhism “Vikku”.
shamsery
06-05-05, 12:04 PM
Yes ,almost every of them have family, property and they need not to pay Tax and VAT.
Don Khaled
06-05-05, 08:49 PM
It is pathetic how some of the members here took over this thread and changed it. I am sure Milliardo Peacecraft's main aim from starting this thread to get some ideas or maybe some support for such decission, not to have others asking whether jesus was married, being on cross or not, or about child abuse. I don't know what is the job of the moderators in this forum? They should delete all the out-of-topic posts.
Milliardo Peacecraft, I am not sure about this, but are Protestand, allowed to be married and at the same time be some priest? Long time ago, I was told that anyone who wants to do the mass prayers, or whatever they are called, on Sundays, can be anyone, and not anyone speciliazed. I could be wrong too. Whatever you are, is it allowed for you to become a priest while being married at the same time? Or you have to choose between marriage and priest?
What I would personally recommend, if you are soo much into the priest and God thing, then why not stay married, but at the same time get more involved at the church (that's if you are not).
Milliardo Peacecraft
07-05-05, 03:04 AM
Milliardo Peacecraft, I am not sure about this, but are Protestand, allowed to be married and at the same time be some priest?
Generally Protestants can be married and be minister/pastor.
Long time ago, I was told that anyone who wants to do the mass prayers, or whatever they are called, on Sundays, can be anyone, and not anyone speciliazed.
If you mean the Prayers of the Faithful, then anyone can be called to do it. That's the only part of the Mass where anyone can go near the altar (actually just to a lectern near it), but usually it's done by the lector nowadays.
Whatever you are, is it allowed for you to become a priest while being married at the same time?
In the Latin rite, celibacy is practiced. In the Eastern rite Churches and the Orthodox Church, a married man can become a priest. But an ordained priest cannot marry.
Don Khaled
07-05-05, 05:03 AM
Milliardo Peacecraft, Thanks for clearing out some of my doubts.
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