2 R.O one shot! (Prostitution/Sex trafficking) [Archive]

dija

08-03-05, 07:30 AM

Well it can be cheaper then this!

Many girls nowadays sell thier bodies just to get cash or you can say nothing indeed but some pitty! They sell it not that they have the right but as they clime they have thier own reasons!
What is the societys view at them?
What makes men and i say MANY go behind this trade and do it?
Why is this business is working fine and gives lots of money for its owners?
Many questions i have in my mind! But one thing i ask my self would i ever do it if i couldnt have food in my table! The only answer i get is NO NO and NO! i rather die then commit such things! The most important thing i value in my self is my body! Its Gods gift to me! How can i spoilt it! Ok even if they didnt believe in God! Arent they afraid to get diseases from having sex daily about 7 times a day or even more and with who ever!?
Thiland and malaysia are known with having this thingy sbread widly! what are the reasons you think?
Not to forget the women can get pragnent and she may not knwo who's the dady! Finally all what i wanna say its not just her fult! Its men who commit it fult also! May God help us all from this world we'r living in!

Thank you ppl! :flower:

Intellective

08-03-05, 11:18 AM

Is this happening in Oman and to omani girls? :(

Allah yihdinah inshallah
(ameen)

Thug4Life

08-03-05, 12:13 PM

Well When Humans Start to Turn into Animals (sometimes even beyond animals)
That what happens..

Every one is on his Own
and WHat is Right and What is Wrong is clear....

in addition ..every one is responsible for his family..
Father is responsible for his sons and daughters...

There is NO excuse I guess !

Lym

08-03-05, 12:23 PM

Thug4Life

08-03-05, 12:28 PM

Dija , never say never...
You are not in their situation to say that you would never sell your body ..
you just never know what they go thru..
I am not supporting or justifying their actions , so dont attack !

Just stating ..that you never know ...Though situations and conditions might differ from a person to another BUT

a Sin is a Sin ....
and Whats RIGHT is CLEAR :) when its something like this Obvious

Lym

08-03-05, 12:31 PM

I agree ,a sin is a sin.
and I do agree that it is disgustingly wrong , I was just highlighting the fact that she shouldn't say never ..and shouldn't judge without being there !

IceTea

08-03-05, 04:40 PM

I prefer to buy a box of orange for 2 rials.

dija

08-03-05, 04:56 PM

Whateverrrrr IShy! :duh:

Well i can see your point of view Empress but Never when it comes to bein un muslim by soemthing like this i think the word Exist! :)

IRONY

08-03-05, 05:03 PM

Sadly this is increasing day by day...why you ask??? Perhaps men have got the answers if the men can just hold thier horses and not commit such sins then these business won't exist!

I know the women are just as bad but they are there for a reason and that is becuase they know that those foolish men would fall for it...for gods sake just get married why do you want to go and sleep with a !@#$%^!!!!

If your hungry then take up a job you don't need a degree for most jobs why don't you go and become a window cleaner?? Or a driver? or a loan mower? or ANYTHING ANYTHING that is simple and easy that gets you food and a 4x4 room to sleep in!

Abs

08-03-05, 05:22 PM

Finally all what i wanna say its not just her fult! Its men who commit it fult also! May God help us all from this world we'r living in!

It takes two hands to clap, i agree. But it depends which hand is itching to clap.

By the way where is this place in oman where i can get it for 2 rials? I think it's nonsense.

NaBHaN

08-03-05, 05:33 PM

If there is no demand..then they wouldnt have been open for business. It's all sick if u ask me.

Kazablanka

08-03-05, 05:33 PM

2 Rials? Are you serious.

Is it really THAT cheap?

.. why do I have a sudden craving for oranges right now :p

mimosa

08-03-05, 06:38 PM

I have heard that there are some Indian brothels in Ruwi where it is that cheap, also tht some of the Chinese street girls in Muscat go for OR 5 a time. They are all victims of evil exploitation by men (and even by other women who lure them into this disgusting trade). They are to be pitied and helped, not condemned.

The abuser and the real sinner is the man who uses them. Unfortunately there are far more of those in Oman than there are of these poor girls.

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 04:48 AM

They are all victims of evil exploitation by men (and even by other women who lure them into this disgusting trade). They are to be pitied and helped, not condemned.

The abuser and the real sinner is the man who uses them. Unfortunately there are far more of those in Oman than there are of these poor girls.

What most of you are missing is the real reason for prostitution, or rather the major reason why we have many brothels in Asia/Eastern Europe, is what Mimosa spotted. Rather than insulting these women, you have to realise many of them are forced into this trade by their employers, it's called sex trafficking. Women and children forced into the sex trade.

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 04:49 AM

Here are some facts:

UNICEF estimates that 1,000 to 1,500 Guatemalan babies and children are trafficked each year for adoption by couples in North America and Europe.

Girls as young as 13 (mainly from Asia and Eastern Europe) are trafficked as “mail-order brides.” In most cases these girls and women are powerless and isolated and at great risk of violence.

Large numbers of children are being trafficked in West and Central Africa, mainly for domestic work but also for sexual exploitation and to work in shops or on farms. Nearly 90 per cent of these trafficked domestic workers are girls.

Surveys indicate that 30 to 35 per cent of all sex workers in the Mekong sub-region of Southeast Asia are between 12 and 17 years of age.

Mexico’s social service agency reports that there are more than 16,000 children engaged in prostitution, with tourist destinations being among those areas with the highest number.

In Lithuania, 20 to 50 percent of prostitutes are believed to be minors. Children as young as age 11 are known to work as prostitutes. Children from children’s homes, some 10 to 12 years old, have been used to make pornographic movies.

UNICEF (http://www.unicef.org/protection/index_exploitation.html)

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 05:13 AM

Poverty will always remain one of the root causes for women and children to be lured into prostitution. In Asia and the Pacific alone, where roughly one third of the world's population of 7 billion lives, nearly one fourth lives on less than one dollar per day.

Over the past ten years this trade has taken a giant leap forward to include the trafficking of human beings, mainly women and children. Often tricked into believing they will be given legitimate work, these people soon find themselves caught in a web of exploitation and deceit, ending up in the sex trade, which generates funds that exceed the amount made in the drug trade, estimated at between $6 billion and $7 billion per year.

Although there are no hard accurate numbers, the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) estimates that in the past thirty years trafficking of women and children in Asia for sexual exploitation has victimized over 30 million people. These victims usually come from poor families, lured into promises of a better life for themselves and their families. They might be offered a job or an education, while others are kidnapped and sold by friends and family members for profit. It is a ruthless business where money overpowers basic human rights.

To get out of their poverty cycle, they are easily led into disastrous situations and taken advantage of by middlemen and agents who see them only for exploitation purposes. Some, if they are lucky, find a way out, but for every one who survives there are those who remain at the mercy of being pulled into the reality of exploitation and daily survival.

United Nations (http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2003/issue2/0203p34.html)

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 05:18 AM

If there is no demand..then they wouldnt have been open for business. It's all sick if u ask me.

Nabhan :( , as you can see above it's not demand, but rather poverty and the sexual exploitation of many helpess women (and men) and children forcing them into this trade.

Haroundb

12-03-05, 08:00 AM

This is a dark subject, but still there are the shining rules which say, there are easy and hard ways to gain money, so if a woman did choose the easy way that is her mistake. Why do we spend long hours at work? Just it is more easier to rob a bank or deal in drugs. So if some people are weak to themselves, then they really need a big slap to gain more of a personality which I think that feeling sorry for not having one is not really a reason. If religion (for others law) did state that something shouldn’t be done, then it is applicable for every one. And also it is possible for every one to achieve. No one is going to die if he didn’t steal, still many will pretend that they do. I know for sure that prostitution is an option to take for ever woman, and it was never a “must”. The only situation that it is not an option when the woman is being raped, and this is going to happen with a smile on her face nor with her acceptance, and it is not the subject here.

Asian countries do have that much of prostitution (I think) not because they are poor, it is because they don’t have ethics. Poor or rich is not the problem the problem is how much of morals inside you.

Something last I want to add which is the cheapness of the displayed women is because the amount of bodies on display. So because many women did like the cheap way to gain money there is now more and more competition in the market to present more bodies with cheaper prices and with more sexual options and entertainment. It is a dirty business which swims deeper and deeper into the filthy mud of sin, what do you expect from a man who is selling filth? He is more filthy that what he is selling. My advise is not to get confused with the glittering expeditions of human rights, it is just a way to hide the evil face of the truth, there is no relation between prostitution and human rights, it is not of poverty, it is not of difficult situations… no,.... it is simply out of poverty of morals of the human beings.

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 04:28 PM

Asian countries do have that much of prostitution (I think) not because they are poor, it is because they don’t have ethics.

Did you read this? :Shock:

In Asia and the Pacific alone, where roughly one third of the world's population of 7 billion lives, nearly one fourth lives on less than one dollar per day.

Will you ever be able to live like that?!

United Nations (http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2003/issue2/0203p34.html)

Read the above link for more information on Thai women as well.

If you were talking about women in the developed world then that would have been understandable, that it has to do with morals.

fatamooo

12-03-05, 04:45 PM

When it comes to the women who are forced into prostitution, they shouldn't be blamed or judged because they don't have an option or they die, and it's not wrong to value your life.
Other women, who go into this lifestyle willingly, because it's lucrative, I have little or no respect for such women, who use their bodies as a marketing tool, that's just gross.
And there are other women who are really dirt poor, maybe even have other children or other people to support, and think that this is the only way out. In that case, they should find real honest jobs, as low as they pay, as long as its an honest living. And if they can't because the country itself is poor, then who's to blame?
I learned that if the country does not take responsibility for all its citizens, and some poor people fall through the cracks and resort to stealing and robbery, they can't be held accountabe for themselves, because it's not their fault that the government doesn't support them. So even stealing is more justifiable then selling your body, as wrong as it is.

Haroundb

12-03-05, 04:48 PM

No relation ... just a better example, if you are in the middle of the desert and you want to drink water, and if you don't drink you will die. If a man came to you and offered you water for your body would you accept?

there is no relation between poverty and prostitution. The only relation is that poverty is an "option" to go for prostitution, and it is not the "only" way for it.

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 04:55 PM

there is no relation between poverty and prostitution.

There is a HUGE relationship between poverty and many of the illnesses in this world. That is prostitution, corrupt governments, numerous wars, rape, stealing, lying, spread of sexually transmitted diseases (HIV and AIDS), and includes rashwa. This happens greatly in the developing world, because they are extremely poor!

Haroundb

12-03-05, 05:01 PM

Still these are called “excuses” not “reasons”, there is a huge difference between both of them…

(Please quote me fully, don’t make me look like a goof)

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 05:08 PM

Still these are called “excuses” not “reasons”, there is a huge difference between both of them…

All of these illnesses are outcomes of poverty. That's why when trying to cure a society from it's defects, they always try to collect money to send. Even money can help against the spread of HIV/Aids viruses.

You will not be able to imagine, coz you are living well, no where near how they live. It would be so harsh to judge someone who is literally forced to do the worse (whichever one of the illnesses that is listed above, other than prositution). Poverty leaves no room for dignity and pride. If these poor people acted all dignified, they would just not survive.

Haroundb

12-03-05, 05:22 PM

All of these illnesses are outcomes of poverty. That's why when trying to cure a society from it's defects, they always try to collect money to send. Even money can help...
money can help weak people who just jump into the sin when they just feel poor.

You will not be able to imagine, coz you are living well, no where near how they live.
Who told you that? I know how both lifes look like.

Poverty leaves no room for dignity and pride. If these poor people acted all dignified, they would just not survive.
the description of poverty you have provided is not the same as I have. Every one has his own dictionary and I know what I am talking about.

If truth is to be said... there is nothing worse than selling your body for a piece of bread, it really eats you before you eat it. Just ask any of those who chosen the easy way and then regret doing so.

I never heard that someone in Asia died from hunger, they die shot in the head or of AIDS ... don't you see somthing in this? Isn't it more realistic to die from hunger than to die on the bed having sex with a maniac and end staped with a nife in your heart after he pures the last drops of lust in your body?!

Now adays people choose to die for more cheaper ... don't say you don't know... I know and I have seen what you didn't saw...

sophis^catrina

12-03-05, 05:35 PM

the description of poverty you have provided is not the same as I have.

That's because there are different degrees of poverty. While you condemn those prostitites, what about those others who kill, murder, steal, lie, make the lives of others miserable to get out of poverty?

I am not condoning prostitution or making it an excuse. But I am saying that it is what one of the outcomes of poverty, such as killing and transmittion of viruses. We should pity those who do it from poor countries, rather than insulting them, and think of the forces that have driven them to do it.

It's like suicide bombers. You can see them and say that they are inhumane, bombing in public places, killing civillians. Or you can examine the root and realise that is in fact an act of desperation.

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Of course, on the other hand, there are people who can live okay and are not forced into prostitution, they have loose morals.

My point, is that every case is different. Many are driven by force by exploitation or poverty. Others, as you said, just have loose morals and want to get rich quickly.

mimosa

12-03-05, 07:44 PM

Haroun if you think prostitution is an "easy" option I hope you get to spend a couple of years in prison :D OK, I don't, wouldn't wish that one anyone. But where is your humanity? Find some empathy, try to understand the psychology involved for a girl or woman in that life-or-death decision. You are being totally judgemental and unfair. How many times have you said "Bismallah ar-ra7man ar-ra7eem". Do those qualities of mercy and compassion mean nothing?

I will try to find a post I made ages ago with the story of a real life prostitue I met once...not the poorest of the poor who Sophis decribes, but an ordinary girl who was tricked into it. Just try to imagine.

mimosa

12-03-05, 07:46 PM

Can't find it! It was within the last year...have a lot of old threads been deleted?

Pineapple Thief

12-03-05, 08:16 PM

ToomuchaT

12-03-05, 09:28 PM

Is this happening in Oman and to omani girls? :(

Allah yihdinah inshallah
(ameen)

ameen.

.. have u heard of the incident happend in Al-Hamriyah in an apartment rent by some pakistani men.. these pakistanis were caught by the "Private Duty Force" or المهام الخاصه last month at around 3am in the morning..

..surprise surprise.. omani girls between 17 and 25 years old in that apartment .. sexual materials were collected from there..

.. when this person told me abt it.. he said: walahi shame such girls in such situation, some of the girls work and some of them are students in thanawiyah!!

.. alah y3yeen bas.

SoMe1

13-03-05, 06:54 AM

Haroundb

13-03-05, 07:09 AM

I understand now my point and I do feel that the idea is all about values. Which values more than the other. Some do think that life is the most valuable of all, and others (like me) believe that life is the "way" you live it not just "living" it. I know that some would push to the limits of life-death situation and as I said "how many did you see in your life died from hunger?"

I think my point is clear and my mind is clear and I don't have gray spots in my mind. I just know how to give things their real names. To conclude my point, I would say that it is nothing but measuring things around us. I measure prostitution very low even lower than death itself. So that is way I don't see any reason to live after you sell your skin for piece of bread, and yes may Allah help those people on what they have and save us from what we know and we don't know.

marshmallowhut

13-03-05, 12:58 PM

Society in general views women involved in prostituition very critically as it is a profession which has a stigma attached to it. Most people tend to think of them as very low and devoid of basic morals. HOwever there are some who believe that some of them are forced into the profession because of various circumstances and others who think it is merely a way of surviving.

I've asked a few guy friends and when its prostituition, some of them said that prostitutes offer them a completely different quality and level of satisfaction. As for males who go for lapdances and patronise strip clubs, I'm guessing its somewhat similar to the male fascination with pornography.

I don't think the success of this line of business is purely the fault of men who are unable to curb their desires. This is because, without females who are willing to do these jobs, the men would have no where to go for such activities.

I agree with what Haroundb said about how it isn't really a question of poverty. Poverty definitely is not an excuse for these women because they are obviously able bodied and capable of basic communication skills. Personally, I believe it really is just a case of them weighing the pros and cons and deciding that quick money is more important than their chastity.

Also, in a world where these things are viewed with an increasing level of open-mindedness, in the Western Countries where such things are considered normal and perhaps even typical, impressionable young females might just take up such jobs because of the promise of quick money.

Enigma

13-03-05, 11:51 PM

Hey, not all prostitution is forced. There are places & ppl who do it because they like the amount of money that comes with it. I would rather mop bathroom floors that succumb even if it meant earning 50bz a day!

And I fully agree with Marshmallow when he/she (sorry I don't know your gender :p ) said:

This is because, without females who are willing to do these jobs, the men would have no where to go for such activities.

However it is also true that without willing men, it would also be inexistant. But I would lay more of the blame on the women (who had the choice) and the men (who were forcing the women into it).

mimosa

14-03-05, 12:31 PM

Maybe there are some women who genuinely take it as a career choice. But not many. Coercion, drug addiction, extreme poverty and violence are far more often the primary factors in prostitution. You are being unfair Niggy.

One of the other things you underestimate perhaps is the loss of self-esteem. Because as you and others rightly say it is such a shock to most people's morality, please remember it is also a shock on some level to the woman who gets involved with this evil trade. Once she has been coerced into the first "transaction", it is very difficult for her to regain her esteem for the value of her own body. A vicious psychological circle.

I still feel that the men are the excploiters and therefore the criminals, and that 99% of the time the woman should be considered the victim. But even if you look at it as 50/50 like you seem to Niggy, then why in Oman to prostistutes get arrested (unless they perform "favours" for the ROP and/or have the right sponsor), but no man in the history of Oman has ever been prosecuted for kerb-crawling?

Enigma

14-03-05, 12:43 PM

Hey, I'm not being unfair. But I've read a couple articles in NY Times Magazine about women who are in it willingly! Not ALL prostitutes are forced into it; that's my point. Sure most are, but there are still some who have a choice, a way out.

Sleyum

14-03-05, 01:45 PM

Oohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Women are they really that Cheap? :yuk:
Selling their whole Body for just Two Rials!!! :Shock:
is that the reality or are we just living in Illusion.. :Sick:

marshmallowhut

14-03-05, 02:07 PM

It is true that some women do it willingly. I've read quite a few articles in magazines about women who talked about the profession and even went on to talk about how safe and 'hygienic' it was. So yes, there definitely are women who take it up as a profession willingly. More often than not, these women who take it up consciously are in the less conservative nations and get paid quite a substantial amount.

Aside from that, it is also true that while there are a fair few who work as prostitutes by choice, there is a significant number of women who are driven into it because of drug addiction and circumstances.

However, I'd like to be the eternal optimist and say that when there's a will there's a way and hence, most, if not all of them do have a choice. :p

sophis^catrina

14-03-05, 03:22 PM

Hey, I'm not being unfair. But I've read a couple articles in NY Times Magazine about women who are in it willingly!

Out of interest, are these women from already developed countries? Because many women who from already developed countries do it not because of poverty, but to get rich quickly.

IceTea

14-03-05, 05:13 PM

However it is also true that without willing men, it would also be inexistant. But I would lay more of the blame on the women (who had the choice) and the men (who were forcing the women into it).

That proves that women need men!

Having said that I don't agree with you when you said then men are forcing them into it, women do it by themselves otherwise they can complain about it.

See it this way, women are the action and men will reaction accordingly!

Enigma

14-03-05, 06:09 PM

Out of interest, are these women from already developed countries? Because many women who from already developed countries do it not because of poverty, but to get rich quickly.
Yes, the last article I read was New York based. And think about places like Holland's Red District... you think those women were FORCED into it?

I know what Sophie is talking about; 3rd world countries and poverty and all that.. but outside those places is a pretty free market.

sophis^catrina

14-03-05, 08:32 PM

Yes, the last article I read was New York based. And think about places like Holland's Red District... you think those women were FORCED into it?

Of course not. I clearly said that the majority of women in developed countires get into porn for the sake of getting rich fast.

The women who are forced, are those in places that are very poor, have corrupt governemnts, or have lots of wars; like the 3rd world countires, and some countries in Eastern Europe (e.g. Romania).