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Hi Guys,
A friend of mine has a problem and so far I couldn't find any solution. He installed the East Asian Language pack on his computer few days ago from the Win XP Pro CD. When he restarted, a blue screen appears with this message PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED AREA and the computer shuts off automatically. I made a search on this error , and one of the opinions was instaling an external HD might be a problem, even though he doesn't have one ! He tried to start his computer with Safe Mode and "Last Working Configuration" options but also the computer shuts off and the same message appears again. He decided to go ahead and try to reformat his PC using the XP cd, however neither F10 nor F2 responds.
Any clue ppl how to solve such a problem. Is there way to reformat the PC without the need of the CD ?
Your help is appericated
UnKnown 24-02-05, 10:22 PM A Blue screen is in most cases caused by a hardware failure, sometimes dust particles on the motherboard and between memory slots, PCI slots.. etc can cause a blue screen. Ask your friend to clean the internal parts using a blower or a soft brush.
If his CD-ROM is not configured to boot as a first device then he can access the BIOS and change that, ask him to try the DEL key during the post screen.
Gunther 25-02-05, 02:31 AM keep hitting delete to open the bios, change boot device to cd rom, disable hdd boot and then boot from xp cd. format from there.
Really appericate your help guys. I followed your instructions and everything worked fine . Thx ..
Out of curiosty Unknown, How do dust particles cause a blue screen ! ?
Kamakazy 25-02-05, 02:03 PM i dont know how dust particles causes blue screens, i could only guess...
anyway... its advisable to keep your computer clean, internally... it makes the fan, heat, air flow, etc better...
not to mentioned the real bugs that might crawl into your PC and claim it as their home...
UnKnown 25-02-05, 05:14 PM Out of curiosty Unknown, How do dust particles cause a blue screen ! ?
If dust builds up around some areas on your motherboard then it can conduct slightly and create weak shorts which can cause your hardware to fail, thus, a blue screen of death. It can also cause extra heat after covering ventilation spots, might short some jumpers on the motherboard too.
Gunther 25-02-05, 09:43 PM UnKnown, dust particles causing hardware breaks are extremely uncommon....
the only way air will conduct electricity is if radioactive material is present....and since we don't have any of that lurking in our pc cases its very unlikely :).
Though it is a good idea to clean it out every now and then, compters are built to withstand the buildup of a lot of dust.
Haroundb 25-02-05, 10:02 PM Just for record:
1-Motherboards are really of two types; on type do allow you to change the bootable device during startup (Pressing F8) and the other will not allow you to change it till you enter the bios setup.
2-You mus follow the basic booting devices sequence which is: Floppy > CD ROM > Hard Disk (A,CD,HD).
3-There are two types of booting to DOS Prompet: Floppy , CD ROM. Any IBM Compatible PC would boot to the DOS prompet with a (Win98 Bootable Floppy), regardless of the operating system (Win95, Win98, WinME, WInXP, WIn2000). The only thing that will block you is the Motherborad Setup.
4-Booting from the WInXP CD will happen if two things happen: YOu setup your Motherboard to boot from CD on startup and the WinXP CD is in the CD ROM, or you press F8 and choose to boot from CD.
5- "F5" or "Ctrl" will bring the DOS recovery menue not stop the system from booting from the HD.
6-Depending on the Motherboard not the OS the system will decide which key to press to enting the configuration setup.
7-WinXP have the F8 to the recovery system interrup, so pressing F5 or Ctrl will not get you to the recovery menue.
Gunther 25-02-05, 10:36 PM Just for record:
1-Motherboards are really of two types; on type do allow you to change the bootable device during startup (Pressing F8) and the other will not allow you to change it till you enter the bios setup.
2-You mus follow the basic booting devices sequence which is: Floppy > CD ROM > Hard Disk (A,CD,HD).
3-There are two types of booting to DOS Prompet: Floppy , CD ROM. Any IBM Compatible PC would boot to the DOS prompet with a (Win98 Bootable Floppy), regardless of the operating system (Win95, Win98, WinME, WInXP, WIn2000). The only thing that will block you is the Motherborad Setup.
4-Booting from the WInXP CD will happen if two things happen: YOu setup your Motherboard to boot from CD on startup and the WinXP CD is in the CD ROM, or you press F8 and choose to boot from CD.
5- "F5" or "Ctrl" will bring the DOS recovery menue not stop the system from booting from the HD.
6-Depending on the Motherboard not the OS the system will decide which key to press to enting the configuration setup.
7-WinXP have the F8 to the recovery system interrup, so pressing F5 or Ctrl will not get you to the recovery menue.
Sorry about this Haroundb but a lot of what you said is incorrect.
1. There is no such thing, all motherboards allow you to change the boot sequence, if not then it is horribly out of date.
2. You can follow any boot sequence you like. It is actually strongly advised not to set the floppy drive as a boot device because if you accidently leave one it it will stop you from booting from the hard drive till you have removed it.
3. Any IBM compatible PC? All PC's that run Windows XP are IBM. Windows XP does not even have a proper DOS prompt, because it is built on Windows NT not DOS, which is why it is so much better than 98.
4. It is useful to always have your CD-ROM drive set as the primary boot device, and when you need to just put in the Windows XP boot CD. Pushing F8 DOES NOT boot from the Windows XP CD. It opens a menu in which you can choose to use your computer in Safe Mode (to fix problems when normal windows does not work) and to restore it to the last working configuration.
5. I have not tried this, but it is not the DOS recovery menu, it is the Windows XP Recovery Console. used to reset things ONLY if you have an administrator password. (administrator password not needed if windows 2000 boot cd is in drive - MAJOR flaw with Windows XP).
6. Regardless of motherboard, OS or anything, it is ALWAYS Delete to enter the BIOS/Configuration.
7. To open the recovery console, you must insert the windows XP boot cd and access it via that. F8 may work, i have not tried but from memory you cannot access the recovery console using this menu.
Just have to clear up these things...don't want to mislead people....
Haroundb 26-02-05, 12:29 AM 1. There is no such thing, all motherboards allow you to change the boot sequence, if not then it is horribly out of date.
-You are so young and you didn’t see the older ones, sure 100% they don’t allow you to change the boot sequence till you enter the bios setup.
2. You can follow any boot sequence you like. It is actually strongly advised not to set the floppy drive as a boot device because if you accidently leave one it it will stop you -from booting from the hard drive till you have removed it.
-We as the old (outdated) generation were used to boot the floppy first just before booting to the HD was invented…Still it looks like you are younger than what I expected.Still booting from the floppy is much saifer than booting from anything else... it will teach you how to recover you system if you have a big system halt, rather than waiting for Mom's help!
3. Any IBM compatible PC? All PC's that run Windows XP are IBM. Windows XP does not even have a proper DOS prompt, because it is built on Windows NT not DOS, which is why it is so much better than 98.
-Because you are young you are confused… when you grow up and have a more stronger grip of the technical language you will get to know that I was talking about was the point before windows starts running which is the bios level…I am sure when you grow up you will have a better brain and a better hold of the technical language..
4. It is useful to always have your CD-ROM drive set as the primary boot device, and when you need to just put in the Windows XP boot CD. Pushing F8 DOES NOT boot from the Windows XP CD. It opens a menu in which you can choose to use your computer in Safe Mode (to fix problems when normal windows does not work) and to restore it to the last working configuration.
-You are right in this, and yes, I like the younger generation when they get to catch little mistakes, when I missed and put “or” instead of “and”…good one young man!
5. I have not tried this, but it is not the DOS recovery menu, it is the Windows XP Recovery Console. used to reset things ONLY if you have an administrator password. (administrator password not needed if windows 2000 boot cd is in drive - MAJOR flaw with Windows XP).
-Back In our days (before you were born) we used to call it DOS recovery menu, back in 1993 there were nothing called console, it was native DOS, then came the console… But wait…I was talking about the state where the booting process is going on, just before windows starts…
6. Regardless of motherboard, OS or anything, it is ALWAYS Delete to enter the BIOS/Configuration.
-8 years ago (where you were 3 years old) we sued Acer PC’s which they will not use Delete, but Alt+Shift+Esc and many other PC’s did so… Now with the younger generation like you they standardized the key which you press to enter the BIOS/Config… In this one I don’t blame you because you are too young to see that.
7. To open the recovery console, you must insert the windows XP boot cd and access it via that. F8 may work, i have not tried but from memory you cannot access the recovery console using this menu.
-Young man, stop calling it console menu, console is just the state if you open DOS after windows start…and this is so strange ??? we are talking about PC’s don’t confuse your Nintendo play station with PC’s
Just have to clear up these things...don't want to mislead people....
No Young man, I think that it is your duty to lead the humanity to the path of wisdom and happiness, we have done our part of it and it is your turn to take the flag. What I have seen from you and the way you post, really says that our future (no doubt while in your hands) is so prosperous and flourishing…
Thank you for your polite comment and replay Youngman…
UnKnown 26-02-05, 01:37 AM UnKnown, dust particles causing hardware breaks are extremely uncommon....
the only way air will conduct electricity is if radioactive material is present....and since we don't have any of that lurking in our pc cases its very unlikely :).
Bro, It still does and I urge you not to argue about something before you look it up first. Incase you haven't found anything then i'll help you out, click on the link below:
Link 1 (http://www.butlerautomation.com/preventive.htm)
Link 2 (search for keyword "Dust") (http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/)
Link 3 (Search for Keyword "Dust") (http://www.tekhlp.com/services/clickdesc.html)
Update your info and If you want more then look it up for yourself.
UnKnown 26-02-05, 01:39 AM Haroundb, great info man.. LMAO
UnKnown 26-02-05, 02:15 AM 6. Regardless of motherboard, OS or anything, it is ALWAYS Delete to enter the BIOS/Configuration.
My motherboard is an Intel D845EBG2 and I can use the DEL key as well as F2 to access the BIOS. So it's not "always" Delete!
-8 years ago (where you were 3 years old) we sued Acer PC’s which they will not use Delete, but Alt+Shift+Esc and many other PC’s did so… Now with the younger generation like you they standardized the key which you press to enter the BIOS/Config… In this one I don’t blame you because you are too young to see that.
I ran into that problem once while trying to access the BIOS on an Acer PC, had to revert to the manual just to know which key takes me to the BIOS. LOL
Gunther 26-02-05, 07:04 PM -You are so young and you didn’t see the older ones, sure 100% they don’t allow you to change the boot sequence till you enter the bios setup.
I have motherboards that are older than you.
-We as the old (outdated) generation were used to boot the floppy first just before booting to the HD was invented…Still it looks like you are younger than what I expected.Still booting from the floppy is much saifer than booting from anything else... it will teach you how to recover you system if you have a big system halt, rather than waiting for Mom's help!
The "new generation" you speak of is far more educated in the matter than you will ever be, you are still used to using floppies to repair problems. I fail to see how booting from a floppy disk is safer than using any other medium, remember that most viruses start on the floppy disk.
-Because you are young you are confused… when you grow up and have a more stronger grip of the technical language you will get to know that I was talking about was the point before windows starts running which is the bios level…I am sure when you grow up you will have a better brain and a better hold of the technical language..
The BIOS has nothing to do with DOS at all.....
BIOS stands for Basic Input/Output System. It is the firmware that controls your computer till the operating system takes over.
And what is this technical language you speak of? You mean computer literacy? or is that too much english for you to handle?
-You are right in this, and yes, I like the younger generation when they get to catch little mistakes, when I missed and put “or” instead of “and”…good one young man!
Great....go learn the english.
-Back In our days (before you were born) we used to call it DOS recovery menu, back in 1993 there were nothing called console, it was native DOS, then came the console… But wait…I was talking about the state where the booting process is going on, just before windows starts…
Back in your day when windows 3.1 took hours to boot up. Do you feel proud that you lived through those times? I am glad i was born in the age when computers can actually do something for society.
-8 years ago (where you were 3 years old) we sued Acer PC’s which they will not use Delete, but Alt+Shift+Esc and many other PC’s did so… Now with the younger generation like you they standardized the key which you press to enter the BIOS/Config… In this one I don’t blame you because you are too young to see that.
If you can read and count you would know that i am 15, hence this being when i was 7 years old. Acer is a shithouse brand anyway, anyone who knows anything about computers doesn't get them. And who the hell is this "we" business, you mean some geeks with too much time?
-Young man, stop calling it console menu, console is just the state if you open DOS after windows start…and this is so strange ??? we are talking about PC’s don’t confuse your Nintendo play station with PC’s.
Stop calling me young man, its annoying.
Clearly you have never been taught about consoles so i will teach you about the concept.
A console is defined as a combination of input and output device (eg keyboard and monitor) to control the device in some way.
But no, you are from the times when they actually used consoles! you should know all this right?
No Young man, I think that it is your duty to lead the humanity to the path of wisdom and happiness, we have done our part of it and it is your turn to take the flag. What I have seen from you and the way you post, really says that our future (no doubt while in your hands) is so prosperous and flourishing…
Thank you for your polite comment and replay Youngman…
Young man is very cliched. maybe you could think of something less gay and not repeat it so much? Your arguments are petty and farther from the truth than anything i have ever seen before. This is the 21st century, maybe you should learn about it some time.
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