If The Prophet was alive.. Amongst us Right now.

[Bimzoori]

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem,



"No, by your Lord they do not believe until they submit to your adjudication in all disputes between them, then they do not find themselves oppressed with your decisions and they completely submit." (4:65)

The topic is very wide, but I'll try to break it up, so InshaAllah it can be followed with no difficulties..


If He was alive.. Amongst us.. Right now...

A question that occurs to me when I look around and painfully see the status of the Muslims at this point in time...

A question that requires a deep thought from all of you.. be honest with yourselves, and try to answer the question: If He, may peace be upon him, was alive, would he be happy of what has become of his nation?


Before we answer, Let's go back 1425 years in History, and ponder..

A bit more than 1400 years ago, by Allah's Mercy, a beam of light started to emerge from Mecca..

A beam of light that was to become the guidance to all humankind, regardless of their color, age,or race..

A beam of light that was to rescue the people from darkness into light and guidance with its never fading rays...

This beam of light, which originated from Mecca, had no boundaries..it had no space or time limitations.. it shone its bright rays everywhere, in every direction, it encompassed many lands and many people, throughout history..


You must have guessed it by now.. this Beam of light isnt but Islam.


HOW?

How did Islam emerge, spread and continue to grow in an infinite manner?

HOW?

How did this Religion survive and remain intact, with it's one and only copy of the Quran since it started until this very day. How?

WAS it...

Was it an easy path?

or

Was it a bumpy road with many challenges that the Prophet, may peace be upon him, and his companions had to cross to send the message of Allah across the lands and spread the word??


IT WAS...

It was a challenging mission..

It involved alot of pain, effort and hardwork...

We all know the history, we all know it wasn't an easy mission..

But

but they, the companions, truely and sincerely loved Allah, and loved His prophet..

They loved him more than they loved their ownselves...

They loved him and devoted their lives, possessions and everything they had for the sake of this religion...

They loved him more than anything in this world, and lived for the promise of Janna, because they knew, that this world isn't but an allurement, and what's in store is greater than anyone could imagine...

Yes.. they loved him... they followed his footsteps... took his commands into action, without moaning, without complaining...

"Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher in rank with Allah; These are they who are triumphant." [Surat Al-Tawba, 20]


Reading the stories of the companions and their true devotion to the prophet, so you still think we are sincere in our love for him??

We read his seerah, we learn his ahadeeth, we claim that we love him.. but does our claim have any value in the Sight of Allah??




TO be continued INshaAllaah...

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Having said that, I would like to make it clear that by my partcipations in the Islamic Sabla, I do not intend for my posts to be taken as a fatwa (as some members have mentioned in previous discussions), my intentions are to share the little amount of knowledge I have, based on my readings..If anything, this is a discussion forum and there's no harm in discussing matters of Religion and sharing with each other what we know, provided we back up our points of view with valid sources of Islamic Teachings (Quran and Sunna).

[mimosa]

Bimzerooneramalamadingdong,

N.B. Please don't take offence...these are my personal beliefs, I'm not asking anyone to share them. Read them or ignore them, there is no compulsion OK?

First of all, Islam began as far as I am aware long before Mohammed (pbuh). In its purest form, it is as old as time.

Secondly, the "one copy of the Qur'An" is debatable. As it was not even written down for several years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death, and the grammar in which it is now presented was not standardised until centuries later as far as I can tell, it is empirically doubtful that it is "the same" exactly. And I apologise in advance to anyone who is offended by that notion - for the vast majority of Muslims, I know the belief in an unchanged Qur'An is an important article of faith and respect that though I do not share it.

It is important to remember when talking about the Prophet (pbuh) that he did not claim to be the Messiah, the Son of God, or divine in himself. He was a mortal man. Many believe he was somehow "perfect" as he had been chosen for his important role, hence the importance to most of the Sunna (or their particular group's version of it). But I prefer to believe that as he was not God, he was man. And man is imperfect, fallible, good and bad. Even if he were the best of men, he perhaps made mistakes? And his successors as "Amir al Mu'mineen" or "Wali Allah" (however you like to think of them) were certainly not perfect.

OK, this is the bit that will be hardest to swallow - skip past if you are easily offended. The spread of Islam was, like the spread of Christianity before it, often bloody, intolerant and barbaric (as much as it was also of course well meant by some). Cultures were destroyed, races ostracised, books burned and places holy to others defiled. Such is the nature of religious zeal. Some benefits, some drawbacks.

So, my question is this: Not "what would the Prophet(pbuh) do were he alive?" but rather "what would those who call themselves The Faithful do were he alive?"

[PinkDragon]

interesting topic..

[Bimzoori]

So the last question posed:

Does our claim have any value in the Sight of Allah??

We say we love him, but we deliberately do not follow his teachings..

Is this true love?


We say we love him, but when he mentioned something is Haram, do not do it, we say "oh its just a little thing, Allah is Merciful, He will forgive us and anyways its not mentioned in Quran"


Is this true love??


We say we love him, but we do not strive to protect this deen, which was brught to us with great efforts and great sacrifices..


After the death of our prophet...

What did his companions do? They went back to Jahiliya because the prophet was dead, or did they follow his teachings as if he was alive and with them??

Did they sit back and relax in their homes, or did they travel miles to spread the message???


Those were true students of Muhammed... The men whom our prophet brought up knew the true meaning of the Love of Allah and the love of His prophet... After his death, they took the burdens that was lying on their shoulders, and as Shaikh Muhammed Al-GHazali puts it:

"They broke the backbone of paganism in the peninsula, squeezed out its lifeblood and destroyed it forever. They routed the Romans at the borders where the latter had spread their arrogance. Then they returned to Medina not to relax but to spread out in the then populated world in a systematic order and by inspiration from a foolproof law. Within a few years Islam had filled land and sea, ear and eye."


Those were the true lovers of Islam... The true lovers of Allah... the true lovers of the prophet...

That was the glorious era of Islam...When its followers truely followed its teachings... But what has become of us today? Instead of continuing to build the road that our ancestors have made, not only did we stop, but we did alot of damage to it...we polluted Islam with our actions.. Our whims and desires have been our guide rather than the Quran and Sunnah...

We have chosen our own paths, and left behind us the path that leads to success...

"I leave behind me two things. You will never go astray if you hold fast to them: The Qur'an and my Sunnah" these were the words of the prophet on his last formal speech to his people (khutbat Al-wada3)...

He did not say you can choose what you like and leave what you dislike..

He made it clear: Follow the Quran & Follow the Sunnah, and InshaAllah you will be on the right path...



Again, I put the question forward:


Does our claim that we love the prophet have any value in the Sight of Allah??


The answer lies clearly in the following Aya:

"When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, it does not behoove a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." [Surat Al-Ahzab, 36]




To be continues inshaAllah....

[Bimzoori]

Bimzerooneramalamadingdong,

N.B. Please don't take offence...these are my personal beliefs, I'm not asking anyone to share them. Read them or ignore them, there is no compulsion OK?I respect the way in which you bring forward your opinion mimosa, so no offence taken, and as I mentioned earlier, we're here to discuss and not impose opinions...


First of all, Islam began as far as I am aware long before Mohammed (pbuh). In its purest form, it is as old as time.Indeed,

Islam=Submission to The One God..it was the escence of the message which all the prophets preached..Starting with Adam, peace be upon him, and ending with the seal of prophets, Muhammed..

The detailed teachings varied from one prophet to the other according to the era in which the prophet was sent and also the people whom the message was sent to. Before Muhammed (pbuh), each prophet was sent to a specific nation, but the message of Muhammed was meant to be for everyone...

Thanks for bringing this point up..


Secondly, the "one copy of the Qur'An" is debatable. As it was not even written down for several years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death, and the grammar in which it is now presented was not standardised until centuries later as far as I can tell, it is empirically doubtful that it is "the same" exactly. And I apologise in advance to anyone who is offended by that notion - for the vast majority of Muslims, I know the belief in an unchanged Qur'An is an important article of faith and respect that though I do not share it.As far as I know, and Allah knows best, is that the Quran was indeed written during the days of the prophet.. all the verses were recorded on palm leaves and even pieces of bones..After his death, these were collected into the one book in the order we now see... the measures of collecting the pieces were highlyscrutinized by the companions.. would be nice if someone could elaborate more on this aspect, as what I remember is very limited..

Anyhow, it is important to bare in mind the following:
-there were at that time, tens of thousands of his companions who memorized the complete Quran by heart from the instruction of the prophet(pbuh)..
- the prophet himself (pbuh) used to recite it while angel Jibreel once a year and in the last year of his life he recited it two times just before the month in which he died...


Even as Muslims, we aknowledge that there are different copies of the Quran, but the difference lies in the Qira'a (the way it is recited) only.. so there is Qiara'at Hafs 3an 3asim and I think three more... so the meaning and the letters are the same, just the Qira'a is different.. please correct me if I'm wrong...


It is important to remember when talking about the Prophet (pbuh) that he did not claim to be the Messiah, the Son of God, or divine in himself. He was a mortal man. Many believe he was somehow "perfect" as he had been chosen for his important role, hence the importance to most of the Sunna (or their particular group's version of it). But I prefer to believe that as he was not God, he was man. And man is imperfect, fallible, good and bad. Even if he were the best of men, he perhaps made mistakes? And his successors as "Amir al Mu'mineen" or "Wali Allah" (however you like to think of them) were certainly not perfect.Very true... Allah declares in the Quran that Muhammed, peace be upon him, isn't but a prophet who was chosen by Allah to deliver the message..

What we Muslims believe, is that the prophet was not infallible.. however, on the occassions where he did a mistake, it was clearly mentioned in the Quran (for example, his story with the blind man in Surat 3amma).. So, he was human and he did have limited humanely mistakes, but he recieved guidance from Allah, so he's different from the rest of us...The following verses from surat Al-Najm explain more:

"I swear by the star when it goes down.

Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray

Nor does he speak out of desire.

It is naught but revelation that is revealed

The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him"





OK, this is the bit that will be hardest to swallow - skip past if you are easily offended. The spread of Islam was, like the spread of Christianity before it, often bloody, intolerant and barbaric (as much as it was also of course well meant by some). Cultures were destroyed, races ostracised, books burned and places holy to others defiled. Such is the nature of religious zeal. Some benefits, some drawbacks.The spread of Islam did require many wars and many blood to be shed, it is something we acknowledge as well...I was starting to type an answer but realized this topic deserves a whole new thread by itself..so we can give the topic what it deserves ;)




So, my question is this: Not "what would the Prophet(pbuh) do were he alive?" but rather "what would those who call themselves The Faithful do were he alive?"
Mind my poor language :D but thats exactly what I was aiming at...

If He were alive, would we be doing the same things that we do now?

[Bimzoori]

I just recieved some comments that the previous posts aren't really clear, I apologise for that, but, given the previous "long" introduction :D what I was trying to get to, is the following:

Islam has given us alot..Have we done enough for the sake of Islam?

If the prophet was to visit us one day here on earth, would he be pleased to see the status of his followers?


Just Imagine, if he were to visit your home and watch the things you do, how many things would you have to change and how many habbits would you have to leave out... I assume many things would be changed because we want him to be pleased with us... right?



Hmm.. I hope I made myself abit clearer.. if not I dont mind rephrasing... :)

[M!$$Y]

I once wrote an essay on this in arabic, I'll try to get it and translate a bit of it soon.

[CrazyReD]

Is mpbuh was here he'd be shocked to how people belive in allah and all but yet there are some who don't prey
how astray the people who call them selves muslims have gone

i'm not pointing finger or anythin but just sharing what i think

nice topic bimmy jazash allah kahyran

[mimosa]

I think he would be shocked at what is done in the name of Allah.

[um albanin]

Serious subject,
You were Clear from begining Bimmi , It didnt need rephrasing :)

The answer is so clear , He wouldnt be happy & thats why you 've raised this subject..But I also beleive that Prophet Mohaamad has praised strongly thoes who follow him when they didnt even meet him.(Tuba thumma tuba liman aaman bi walam yarani walam yara man raanin)..

Abu-Ubayda from Jabir bin Zayd from Ibn Abbas (R.A.A) that the prophet said:The best from My Umma those who come after my death, they beleive in Me they follow my orders while they didnt see me , thoes who will get the highest grades (but not those who deepend into Fitna)...Aljame3 alsaheeh(39)

[Storm]

Islam has given us alot..Have we done enough for the sake of Islam?

If the prophet was to visit us one day here on earth, would he be pleased to see the status of his followers?


Just Imagine, if he were to visit your home and watch the things you do, how many things would you have to change and how many habbits would you have to leave out... I assume many things would be changed because we want him to be pleased with us... right?







very interesting point ,,, we do need to think of this alot these days ,,,

we need to sit with ourselves and try to do something


am sure that her will not be happy at all with what muslims around the world had reach now,,, they do belive in Allah and Quran ,,, but still they dont follow it as they should do ,,,

and there is alot to do to change this ,, but one person cant change the whole world ,,, you can make the changes in yourself ,, in you famliy ,,, advice you friends ,,, but what about the whole world ,,,

[Pineapple Thief]

Im sure he would be very, very disappointed indeed.

[PhaHaDde]

Salam,

If He, may peace be upon him, was alive, would he be happy of what has become of his nation?

I actually thought the opposite way. How would I have been if I have lived during the prophet's time. We do not have to feel sorry for living at this period of time & missed the oportunity of meeting our prophet. Those people lived during his time were lucky, we too are lucky but it's just our eiman is weaker. The prophet has blessed those among us who fight for islam. Long tima ago I remember listening to one islamic lecture in a mosque & it was said that the prophet told his sahaba that there is one thing if they (His Sahaba) didn't do it they will be put in hellfire & there is one thing if we (muslims who lived after prophet's time) did it, we will enter the heaven. But the prophet did not say what it was. I am sure we should know the reason behind hiding it. We should do all what we are required to do & leave & avoid what we were asked to avoid.

The prophet doesn't have to be alive to know what his nation has become. He knew it already & knew more of our nation that we don't know. He told alot about us & about our lifetime. All what is happening in our world now, the prophet has told about it.
He the prophet said there are going to be people in his nation who are going to legalise zina, silk, alcohol & music. That's very clear stated.

"ليكونن من أمتي أقوام يستحلون الحر والحرير والخمر والمعازف"
حديث شريف

He said alot about our nation who are going to live after him, he blessed those who will stand & fight for this religion & who called them strangers as islam started as a stranger & it will end up as a stranger.

"بدأ الإسلام غريباً وسيعود غريباً، فطوبى للغرباء"
حديث شريف

The prophet also warned us from women & said after his life there will never be something that's harm or problematic (Fitna) for men as women.

"ما تركت بعدي فتنة أضر على الرجال من النساء"
حديث شريف

After the death of the prophet, the muslims seperated & kept on seperating to 73 groups. It is what we call it nowadays (Math'hab).

"افترقت اليهود على احدى وسبعين فرقة، وافترقت النصارى على اثنين وسبعين فرقة وستفترق أمتي على ثلاث وسبعين فرقة كلها في النار إلا واحدة. قيل وما هي يل رسول الله؟ قال: من كان على مثل ما أنا عليه اليوم وأصحابي"
حديث شريف

We don't know how the prophet & his Sahaba were. Every Math'hab came up with its own judgements & evidences referred from the ahadeeth. Unfortunately we can't rely on all the hadeeth as many of them are untrue. Let's just pray to Allah & ask him to prevent us & our souls from torture of the grave & the hellfire & instead grant us Eiman & peace in our graves & to win the Heaven insha'allah.
There is alot to say about this, but time doesn't allow. Hope to have more time soon & post some useful islamic information so we can all share what we know & what we need to know.

"اللهم إنا نعوذ بك من عذاب القبر ومن النار ومن فتنة المحيا والممات "
"اللهم إنا نسألك الجنة ومايقرب إليها من قولٍ وعمل ونعوذ بك من النار وما يقرب إليها من قول وعمل"

آميـــــــــن يا رب العالميـــــــن