Kill the Disabled?

[Enigma]

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"You are trained to save the life of a child but with these children the suffering can only be stopped by ending their lives."

Says Dr. Eduard Verhagen, a pediatrician at Groningen University Medical Center.

This all came out when a study was published today in the Dutch Journal of Medicine, it reveals that doctors in the Netherlands have been killing infants born with disabilities at least since 1997, despite euthanasia of children being illegal in that country.

source (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42508)

True, anyone with a disablitiy will go through life suffering more than a normal born person would.. but does that give these doctors the right to kill them?

Do you think a disabled baby is better off not living his life?

[Abs]

As honest as i can be enigma, if i would be in a position of a disabled child, i would only wish to die. Considering how much i enjoy living a normal life with my limbs and body intact and am as normal as i could get, i can only shudder thinking about disability god forbid.

Thus yes i'll have to agree with the doc. This suffering of children can only be eliminated with death. What's the point of living when there's no point in life?

p.s lovely topic. would have defo given u a greenie for this. unfortunately i have to spread it around first. more threads pls.

[Arabian Princess]

well woouldnt that make the other disabled who became like that during thier life time a minority and would make them infirior .. its like you are calling for us to go tens of years back!!

why dont we kill kids with sekels cell, talasimia, cancer or whatever!!! its the same they are living thier lives sufffering.

Its allah's choice to give that person a life different than others, killing them would only mean you dissaprove of them.

I am so aginst it, and would think of many people I know not being around and its sooo unfair!

[Enigma]

But Abs, imagine your own child is born disabled. Would you be able to put it to death?

[Pineapple Thief]

Nobody has the right to take a life. By saying 'oh, we're putting them out of their misery', you're making a normative judgement and playing the God card.

Ask a disabled person if they would rather be dead. I think most of them would prefer to be alive. From what Ive seen, yes, they would rather not have a disability, but they have learned to live with it and live life despite it. Which takes guts.

[Shahrazad]

Well said PT


Do you think a disabled baby is better off not living his life?

Absolutely not! They have the right to live as much as normal babies do..

keeping religion aside, scientifically, how on earth would scientists come to terms with disabilties,their causes, how to prevent them if it wasn't for those angels?!

Everything in life is for a reason.

[Shahrazad]

Thus yes i'll have to agree with the doc. This suffering of children can only be eliminated with death. What's the point of living when there's no point in life?


I disagree, how can you decide the point of living of an unborn person?! My point in life is to Obey ALLAH regardless of any disabilities I may have.
As I see it, the point of living has nothing to do with one's full capabilities.

I know many born with disabilites who made unlimited acheivements in life and continue to do so -May ALLAH bless them-.


Also, how different is killing an unborn disabled baby from killing a person who became disabled during life?

[Najah]

:bored: I hate them, I hate them deeply... What are they thinking and how can you call them scientists!! they should be called MURDERERS! Stupid people...

Who defines whats normal? we do!, what if they were normal and us ubnormal would those so called 'scientist' love it if they were to be murdered!!!!

Stupid...

I can't even give an opinion because this is just too stuuupid!

[Shahrazad]

It's a shame this thread died so soon!.. I found it really interesing and irritating at the same time..


Any comments/ agreements/ disagreement here... anyone?

[NaBHaN]

I dont think anyone has a right to take a life. Some of those disabled people end up living their life to the max even with all the complications they face..and sometimes even better than any normal healthy person. They all deserve a chance to live..and make the most with what they have.

[Cute_One]

just bcuz he was born disable without an option , doesnt stop the right of him living

[Arabian Prince]

With all due respect to your threads title Enigma, I think it would be better to discuss this matter on a broader horizon. The whole idea behind it is euthanasia.
Whether its babies, young children or old people with serious chronic illnesses. It is still a soul, a god given commodity bestowed upon this Earth, which would sieze to exist due to a doctors measly opinion! Even murderers are in a class of their own, they could be reffered to as mentally ill people. However with doctors or so called "scientists", they are people who are in their senses, totally aware of all moral and ethical controversies, who still insist on their beastly decisions. All of this must give us some sense of distraught among these doctors. I would call it a fate twisting decision!

Disabled people are people which have the exact same rights as any normal person would have, and should be treated with equality all around the world. They should be given the care and attention they require. Infact a "disabled person" is nothing but a normal person with a disability!

Now are you telling me that this disability should get in the way of him/her leading a normal life? Damn right it shouldn't! Remember Stephen? No, not the crippled kid around the block. Stephen Hawking.. Professor Stephen Hawking. If you have only seen him or better yet know him, you would know what I'm talking about!!

[Shahrazad]

Stephen Hawking.. Professor Stephen Hawking. If you have only seen him or better yet know him, you would know what I'm talking about!!

Enlighten us please, I didn't have the pleasure of knowing him yet!

[mimosa]

Terminating a pregnancy that can still result in birth of a new life without risk to the mother, has no moral defence. Every child will suffer, that is life. Would you only terminate babies which would be expected to die before a certain age? Physically or mentally handicapped? How about genetic disorders such as sickle-cell anaemia? That's painful! Where do YOU draw the line as to when someone is "too disabled to be worth living"?!

Hitler used to kill disabled people, saying "what is useful is good". But he was a fool. Anyone can be useful. The challenge to society is to find fulfilling lives for disabled people. They can learn, they can laugh, most can work too. It is not for man to decide a child's destiny before they are even born.

Professor Stephen Hawking is a famous physicist at Cambridge University who is profoundly disabled by motor neurone disease, a progressive illness. This disease was only developed in adulthood, so he's probably not the best example in this case. However, he is an excellent example of what a person with a useless body can achieve with his mind. Professor Hawking cannot walk, speak, feed or wash himself. But he is one of the most famous, accomplished and thought-provoking scientists in the world. He speaks with a machine that he has to programme painstakingly with single keystrokes, and gives lectures to students this way. His book "A Brief History of Time" describing a theory on the origins of the Universe, is an international best-seller.

[Arabian Prince]

Professor Stephen Hawking is a famous physicist at Cambridge University who is profoundly disabled by motor neurone disease, a progressive illness. This disease was only developed in adulthood, so he's probably not the best example in this case. However, he is an excellent example of what a person with a useless body can achieve with his mind. Professor Hawking cannot walk, speak, feed or wash himself. But he is one of the most famous, accomplished and thought-provoking scientists in the world. He speaks with a machine that he has to programme painstakingly with single keystrokes, and gives lectures to students this way. His book "A Brief History of Time" describing a theory on the origins of the Universe, is an international best-seller.

Thank you v. very much mimosa on the breif intro about Prof. Stephen Hawking. Am sure thats adequate information for Shahrazad. I agree with what you said, his case might not be an ideal case to discuss here because of the age at which the disability had a great impact on his life. However I would like to emphasize the fact that he is considered to be one of the greatest thinkers/scientists due to his profound findings and achievements. None of his several disabilites got in the way of it all!

[Dr N]

The Nazi's were the ones that are thought to have started the whole euthanasia issue. Of course they used it for various political reasons than moral ones.

As for the disabled. No one has the right to take a life. You're not God, you don't get to choose who lives or who dies.

It's amazing when you see a disabled person, or should I say, a person with special needs, which is the term that is used now, do well in a certain area. I just respect them for the courage they have to do what they want and be good at it. A lot of them teach you that this life is no place for a loser, they are strong, and they fight for their survival and certainly do make a difference, in their own way, in their fight for their right to be around other people.