What Abu Baker said about Omani people

[IceTea]

It's nice to go back to the history and present what Abu Baker (Ra'9iya Allah 3anh) said about Omani people:


معاشر أهل عمان إنكم أسلمتم طوعا ، لم يطأ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ساحتكم بخف ولا حافر ، ولا جشمتموه ما جشمه غيركم من العرب ، ولم ترجعوا معها بفرقة ولا تشتت شمل ، فجمع الله على الخير شملكم ، ثم بعث إليكم عمرو بن العاص بلا جيش ولا سلاح فأجبتموه إذ دعاكم على بعد داركم وأطعتموه إذ أمركم على كثرة عددكم وعدتكم ، فأي فضل أبر من فضلكم ، وأي فعل أشرف من فعلكم ، كفاكم قول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم شرفا إلى يوم المعاد ثم أقام فيكم عمرو ما أقام مكرما ، ورحل عنكم إذ رحل مسلما ، وقد منٌ الله عليكم بإسلام عبد وجيفر ابني الجلندى ، وأعزكم الله به وأعزه بكم ، وكنتم على خير حال حتى أتتكم وفاة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأظهرتم ما يضاعف فضلكم ، وقمتم مقاما حمدناكم فيه ، ومحضتم بالنصيحة ، وشاركتم بالنفس والمال ، فيثبت الله ألسنتكم ويهدي قلوبكم ، وللناس جولة فكونوا عند حسن ظني فيكم .


My own Translation in summary (if anyone can provide a better translation will be nice) :)

Oman people you became muslims by your own will, prophet Moahmmed PBUHd didn't step in your land and you didn't give him a hard time as other arabs did and you were united. Then Amer Ibn Al A'As sent to you without army and weapons and you answered him, which honer is better then your honer. Enough what the prophet PBUH said as a honer to you until the final day. Then A'Amr stayed in your land respected and left you in peace. And Allah blessed you with the Islam of Abd and Gayfar the sons of Al-Gulanda and you were in good state until you received the news of the prophet death PBUH and you showed a good picture, you adviced and contributed with people and money. May Allah be with you and guide your hearts.

[Wanderer]

Oman people you became muslims by your own will, prophet Moahmmed PBUHd didn't step in your land and you didn't give him a hard time as other arabs did and you were united.

In other words, Omani will surrender quickly at the first sign of difficulty.

You are the French of the Indian ocean. The Italians of Arabia.

I imagine there is much competition amongst Arabs to see who will surrender first when things don't go smoothly.

Go Oman !!

[X-press]

Icy, though I do not doubt the authenticity of your text, can you please tell us from which source it comes?

[amo_l_oman]

In english i could find just the letter sent from prophet pbuh to king Jaifer and his brother:


Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite both of you to the Call of Islam. Embrace Islam. Allâh has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instil fear of Allâh in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny Allâh. If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/seerah/32.htm#10

[Wanderer]

Exactly. Once threatened with invasion, the Omani immediately surrendered and adopted Islam.

This is how all accepted Islam.

Under threat or conquest.

[Arabian Princess]

yah, being peacful now is called surrender .. thank you wanderer for your wake-up call ..

Thank you Ice Tea for bringing it up.

[Enigma]

The Omani people have been known throughout history for their humbleness and peacefullness. I find no shame in being a citizen of a country that adopted my current religion without a fight. Wanderer, the US itself appreciates Oman for its peaceful stance on politics and has even awarded our leader for it a couple (?) times. If you think that raging wars are the solution to a new proposition then you are just a typical man aren't you? :rolleyes:

What Ice Tea posted was a nice reminder for us, the people of this country, of what our men were like over a thousand years ago.

[Vamp]

Exactly. Once threatened with invasion, the Omani immediately surrendered and adopted Islam.

This is how all accepted Islam.

Under threat or conquest. Wow! This guy just took ..edited... to a whole new level..

If only u put as much time into your work, as you did your annoying posts, you'd be average. You, edited......, are giving ..edited...a bad name. Now take you fluffy *** outside the Islamic forum kid, go play somewhere else.

We all proud of u omanis.. keep it gangsta :D


edited by Thugy..P.s. No need please . Thanx :)

[Thug4Life]

Vamp its Nots Stupidity its what i call:Tunel Vision ...That how some look at the above historical event.and even intrepret the whole world events past and present :):D :p

I feel much proud of how we accepted islam in Such a peacful way as form of acceptance rather than threat!!!
knowing that the very LOOONG distance between Meca and Oman and how Long it will take for a single army to reach OMAN (by then Omanies were to be ready 200%) if they were to oppose it!!! BUT NOPE
MIND, WISE acceptance due to Heart, Mind and Soul appreciation to Whats right and whats wrong...due to the appreciation of the Light (true Light)...due to the appreciation in the difference between what is Dark and What is Bright Shiny Clear light!...
We Were in a strong position There ...But look how we acted? WISE :)
am proud :)

[Arabian Princess]

Ice Tea, it would be nice to post also the prophet peace be upon him prayers to people of Oman :cute:

[wudjab]

not to stir the pot, but imagine the following

"Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite both of you to the Call of Buddhism. Embrace Buddisim. Buddah has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instil fear of God in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny God. If you two accept Budda, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.”

wouldn't you be all over the wall talking of how Buddism was being implemented by force ?

[Thug4Life]

By the way wanderer...Even now by Fact numbers Islam is the Fastest growing religion world wide...I guess That is also by force...(OOH maybe USA force???) LOL

I guess am, off topic
Sorry!

[Pineapple Thief]

If you think that raging wars are the solution to a new proposition then you are just a typical man aren't you? :rolleyes:


I take great offense to that. Please dont compare me to him.

[EarThQuaKe]

حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْوَارِثِ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏جَابِرٌ أَبُو الْوَازِعِ ‏ ‏قَالَ سَمِعْتُ ‏ ‏أَبَا بَرْزَةَ ‏ ‏يَقُولُ ‏
‏بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏رَجُلًا إِلَى حَيٍّ مِنْ أَحْيَاءِ ‏ ‏الْعَرَبِ ‏ ‏فَضَرَبُوهُ وَسَبُّوهُ فَرَجَعَ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏فَشَكَا ذَلِكَ إِلَيْهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏لَوْ أَهْلَ ‏‏ عُمَانَ ‏‏ أَتَيْتَ مَا ضَرَبُوكَ وَلَا سَبُّوكَ
From Musnad Ahmed & Saheeh Muslim.

[Wanderer]

Wow! This guy just took ..edited... to a whole new level..


That's so I could include you in my audience. :D


"Greetings people of Oman. Surrender and convert or die"

The Omani only exist today because they decided wisely when faced with that choice. No slam there.

But to sing the praises of your conqueror regarding your surrender ??

[Wanderer]

By the way wanderer...Even now by Fact numbers Islam is the Fastest growing religion world wide...I guess That is also by force...

I'm not sure how Muslim men treat their women in bed and behind closed doors. But I suspect you are right that force and indifference do come into play when expanding their families.

[Wanderer]

If you think that raging wars are the solution to a new proposition then you are just a typical man aren't you? :rolleyes:

By typical you must mean typical "western" man.

Tell us then, do you still spend a lot of time with western men, because I can't think of another way through which you might have developed an impression of what typical is ?


I also find it amusing that you apparently hold that wars are not a solution. This is also the opinion that terrorists hold. That's why they target civilians instead of fighting the military.

But I think most of you missed the point. No arguement from me that the outclassed Omaini did the right thing by surrendering to the invading Muslim Armies - clearly your survival as a people was at stake.

It's just that I find that the conqured singing the praises of the victorious invader odd.

It's like singing a happy song about being pummeled and retreating.

[Wanderer]

Exactly, wudjab.

"Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; thereafter I invite you to the Call of Wanderer. Embrace Wanderism (and girls may embrace Wanderer himself). I am as a Prophet to all people in order that I may instil a sense of reality in the minds of the clueless so that there may be left no excuse for those who think superstitious things. If you accept Wanderism, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable - so we might just use neutron bombs. My air assault and airborne divisions will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.”

Do I have any takers ?

The threat of the use of force in the original is undeniable. Though if there is anyone who can deny the undeniable, it's the Arab Muslim.

[Arabian Princess]

[quote]
حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْوَارِثِ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏جَابِرٌ أَبُو الْوَازِعِ ‏ ‏قَالَ سَمِعْتُ ‏ ‏أَبَا بَرْزَةَ ‏ ‏يَقُولُ ‏
‏بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏رَجُلًا إِلَى حَيٍّ مِنْ أَحْيَاءِ ‏ ‏الْعَرَبِ ‏ ‏فَضَرَبُوهُ وَسَبُّوهُ فَرَجَعَ إِلَى النَّبِيِّ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏فَشَكَا ذَلِكَ إِلَيْهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏لَوْ أَهْلَ ‏‏ عُمَانَ ‏‏ أَتَيْتَ مَا ضَرَبُوكَ وَلَا سَبُّوكَ
[/qoute]

translation of the above:
prophet mohammed peace be upon him sent a man to one of the arab areas and they hit him and treated him badly, he went complaining to prophet mohammed peace be upon him and He-peace be upon him-said: if you went to the people of Oman they wouldnt have treated you life this.

:)

[EarThQuaKe]

when the people of oman entered islam, they did not enter it in one day and at the first time Umar bin Alaas spoke to them about it. Its a long story, maybe I'll post it later in sha allah. :)

[Enigma]

Tell us then, do you still spend a lot of time with western men, because I can't think of another way through which you might have developed an impression of what typical is ?

Wanderer, are you kidding me here? Seriously? History contains chapter after chapter of wars that happened for reasons that could have been avoided but because the irrational man could not (or would not) care to find another solution they happened. And that's not in Arabia or the West only!

I think you missunderstood my post :cute:



I also find it amusing that you apparently hold that wars are not a solution. This is also the opinion that terrorists hold. That's why they target civilians instead of fighting the military.



I find it amusing that you are narrow minded enough to pinpoint only one reason for the alternative of war; seeing as you are supposedly an educated man.

[Bimzoori]

In other words, Omani will surrender quickly at the first sign of difficulty.

You are the French of the Indian ocean. The Italians of Arabia.

I imagine there is much competition amongst Arabs to see who will surrender first when things don't go smoothly.

Go Oman !!

Had you read just a lil bit about our history you wouldn't have stated the above.

Here's just a glimpse The history of Oman (http://www.omaninfo.com/oman/history.asp)..

There is hardly any village in our country that doesnt have a tower or a fort.. its the land of a thousand and one forts.. for us Omani's, each and every single of these forts tells us the tales of all the blood-shedding and wars against foreign invasions our great leaders had heroically gone through in defening our land..

For me and every Omani on this board I assume, what you have stated above is a big offence..

We are proud of our history. Our Flag is an emblem of what our people have witnessed throughout history: the khanjar symbolizes the tools used in wars and the red colour symbolozes all the blood of our citizens that as been dropped in defending our country...

To us, enetring Islam in that peaceful manner, isn't but an honour to us. We are proud Omanis have seen the light in Islam and got the blessings from the prophet, may peace be upon him, from the very early days of Islamic history. What greater honor do we want?! Since then, our land has produced great Islamic scholars that have been to service to our religion.

I think you should be ashamed that your government is waging wars against innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan who dont even have basic shelter for their daily livings, let alone shelter against bombings being targeted at them from every corner: land, water and sky.. are you keeping count of how many thousand innocent lives your government has killed since it has waged its so called war against terror? Go America!

[KING_OF_ALL]

Good job IceTea..thanks for sharing.

Wanderer..What you say is maybe right,"from your narrow perspective", how about what the cursades did to people not embracing Christanity?

[jack]

Wanderer..What you say is maybe right,"from your narrow perspective", how about what the cursades did to people not embracing Christanity?How about no difference at all ... both forced their beliefs down your throat with the sword if you resisted ... and I'm sure wanderer will say the same.

Islam did not get to Spain and furthur without bloodshed ...

Christianity did not make it to the new world without bloodshed ...

There is blood all over both ... in the name of GOD ;)

[ToomuchaT]

.. lol.. Jack and Wanderer .. u right dudes.. we once threatened with invasion, the Omani immediately surrendered and adopted Islam.

.. and If we were like Hitler and his mates and did what they did and scared the $hit out of the world.. u would say that we r Nazi and Fashi!!

.. so it doesnt make a silly difference either being a lion or a chicken.. does it??

.. anyway dudez.. we r happy as we are .. everyone pays us the d@mn respect that lots of them out there havent got it ;)

[IceTea]

Exactly. Once threatened with invasion, the Omani immediately surrendered and adopted Islam.

This is how all accepted Islam.

Under threat or conquest.

You see it that way cuz you follow the path of Satan.

Otherwsie we are proud to adopt the straight path by the will of Allah :).

[EarThQuaKe]

It is a well know fact in histroy that Islam entered Oman by the hands of Mazin bin Ghodobah (The first muslim in Oman). When Ummar bin Alaas & Abu Zaid Alansari arrived in Oman, All of the omanies were muslims except "Sohar" where the Abd & Jaifer sons of Aljulanda were ruling.

Abd had a discussion with Umar and he accepted Islam. Jaifer did not want to join Islam at first because he was afraid of being known as a coward and he still wants the throne. He did not accept to see Umar bin Alaas at first, but then his brother convinced him and after few days he joined Islam. This is when Sohar people enetered islam. When Umar left all of the omanies were muslims. I recomend anyone interested to read Tuhfat Al'ayan fe seyrat Ahlu Oman by Immam Noor Adeen Assalmi. :)

[Wardat_il'7leej]

Wanderer………………..The question here is surrender to what? Something that is exulted and purifying….why not? I would rather agree to something that would benefit me in the long run then surrender to prejudice and hatred over falsely being accused as a terrorist.

[Wanderer]

Wanderer..What you say is maybe right,"from your narrow perspective", how about what the cursades did to people not embracing Christanity?

I think the Crusaders were probably barbaric, violent, stupid and smelly.

However, it's quite obvious to anyone who can and does read that the Crusades were in response to Islamic aggression. If you didn't have such a narrow perspective of that period, you'd have known that, eh ?

KOA, there is no shortage of historical information demonstrating the cruelty of so-called Christians to "discovered" non-Christian populations.

Come on, man.

Now, since we've identified Oman as surrendering to the overwhelming Islamic armies without a fight, perhaps we should identify a culture that surrendered to overwhelming Christian armies without a fight.

And ask them if they still sing the praises of the Christian armies.

[Wanderer]

You see it that way cuz you follow the path of Satan.


I don't follow any angels, spirits, gods, or major league sports.

But based on the ignorant superstitious statement you made, I'll suggest that, if there was a Satan, he is happy with Muslims like you.

[Wanderer]

Wanderer………………..The question here is surrender to what?

What is a superior, invading foreign Army bent on converting the locals by force ?



Now, um, I'll stay in category - " Silly Questions that missed the point " for $1000. Alex.

[EarThQuaKe]

Now, since we've identified Oman as surrendering to the overwhelming Islamic armies without a fight, perhaps we should identify a culture that surrendered to overwhelming Christian armies without a fight.

Who said anything about surrendering? Where did you get this information from.

[Arabian Princess]

Wanderer, why do you like to go in loops?!! you dont agree with the main concept : Islam let alone how people joined it!!

So, your opinion here wouldnt really add anything because it doesnt agree with main reason of the thread.

[Wardat_il'7leej]

What is a superior, invading foreign Army bent on converting the locals by force ?

Now, um, I'll stay in category - " Silly Questions that missed the point " for $1000. Alex.

Beep Beep….WRONG…guess what you just hit Bankrupt :duh:

I will take malevolent questions be Wanderer for $3,000

There was no force used when introducing Islam to Oman and we have been praised as a nation that accept a religion without even seeing the Prophet PBUH

[Wanderer]

There was no force used when introducing Islam to Oman and we have been praised as a nation that accept a religion without even seeing the Prophet PBUH

Yes, because the Omani accepted the terms - surrender and convert or die.

It's so simple that even you should understand it.

:duh:

[Arabian Princess]

alright Wandy .. we are so weak and we surrnded fast, do you have a problem with that?? why are you so annoyed with the fact that we entered Islam without a fight??

[Wardat_il'7leej]

Duuuh! Believe it or not I do understand.

That your meek mind cannot comprehend the humbleness in our nation and that we were able to see the truth and accept it. There was no threat what so ever or the concept you brought forward of ‘’ surrender and convert or die” it was more like accept and convert and be righteous forever. Something, which I think you, wouldn’t even have a dime light to comprehend.

[EarThQuaKe]

Yes, because the Omani accepted the terms - surrender and convert or die.

It's so simple that even you should understand it.

:duh:

Again.... Can you provide us with a prove that Omanies surrendered.?

[IceTea]

I don't follow any angels, spirits, gods, or major league sports.

I think you follow the Satan but still you can't recongnize that, remember that his aim is to throw people with him in the hell fire, do you still want to follow his twisted path?



But based on the ignorant superstitious statement you made, I'll suggest that, if there was a Satan, he is happy with Muslims like you.

Somehow you are right that Satan concentrating on muslims cuz they are following the straight path and his aim as stated in the Quran is to divert people to his path, so why he will waste his time with people who are already following him!!??

[IceTea]

Yes, because the Omani accepted the terms - surrender and convert or die.



Why Omanis will refuse following the straight path which will lead to the happiness in this life and the hereafter, just think about it?

Are you going to refuse such offer or you prefer following the Satan path?

[Najah]

you cheeer me up icet sometimes you really do :D...

I'm really proud to be an omani walhamdulilah, I'm glad i dont have the American history in my back...

[Wanderer]

Who said anything about surrendering? Where did you get this information from.


"If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.”

From Amo's post on the first page.

We call that a threat and an offer or, in NY, an offer you can't refuse.

So, what did the Omani do ?

Where is the song about the epic battle between the Omani and those crazy Meccans ?


I got a letter from the Chosen One,
I fought Islam, and Islam won.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.

His armies are converting us, one by one.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.

I'll miss my idols and infantacide,
Now I'll force my baby to wear a veil and hide.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.

At least I get to keep much of my pagan ways,
Circling the Kabaa like in the olden days.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.
I fought Islam, and Islam won.

To "I fought the law, and the law won"

[Wanderer]

Are you going to refuse such offer or you prefer following the Satan path?

You have to say that while holding a sword to be historically accurate.

:color:

[EarThQuaKe]

"If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.”
To "I fought the law, and the law won"

It seams that you did not my previous posts. What I believe is what Omanies believe. When the prophet's messenger arrived to Oman, All of the omanies are already converted to islam except the capital, sohar at that time. The message was sent to the leader who by that time was not a muslim, but ruling muslims. He did not accept islam until he was convinced by his younger brother and the prophet's messenger. The only reason he refused because he was not willing to give up his kingdom, but after few days of negotiations he submitted.

The person who spread islam in oman was Mazin bin ghodobah, he was not sent by the prophet and he was not a rich man. When he talked to omanies after he returned from Medina and showed them the evidence, they submitted.

There was no fear nor cowardness when Omanies converted to islam.

[Wanderer]

It is a well know fact in histroy that ...

Still, some documentation (or better a link) is in order.



Jaifer did not want to join Islam at first because he was afraid of being known as a coward and he still wants the throne.

If everyone else in Oman was already Muslim, why did this Jaifer think converting might be considered cowardly ?

Don't you find that odd ?

[EarThQuaKe]

Still, some documentation (or better a link) is in order.




If everyone else in Oman was already Muslim, why did this Jaifer think converting might be considered cowardly ?

Don't you find that odd ?

Can you read arabic. The source is a book. :)

It seams that you take what you want and ignore the rest.

I did not say everyone else in oman, I said people outside the capital (Sohar). He is still the ruller of Oman and Sohar, but when I said coward and fear I meant. He did not want to be shown as a coward to the other countries in the region, especially the persian country.

[Wanderer]

Can you read arabic. The source is a book. :).

I cannot read Arabic. It is my only fault.



It seams that you take what you want and ignore the rest.

You would not survive a visit to a buffet restaurant, my friend.




I did not say everyone else in oman, I said people outside the capital (Sohar). He is still the ruller of Oman and Sohar, but when I said coward and fear I meant. He did not want to be shown as a coward to the other countries in the region, especially the persian country.

How would he be shown a coward for converting unless it was under pressure ?

If he simply converted because he studied Islam and found it best, he would not care what Persians thought , right ?

One way that explains his worry is if he was under pressure to convert. A large, successful Islamic army at his border would create the requisite "pressure".

I trust you won't ignore this.

[EarThQuaKe]

I cannot read Arabic. It is my only fault. I know, even if you could read arabic, it would be a disaster because refereces are so contradicting each other, you won't be able to tell the truth from lies.


You would not survive a visit to a buffet restaurant, my friend.
:D





How would he be shown a coward for converting unless it was under pressure ? People at that time do not look at it this way. A person at that time once said: A liar from Abbs (his tribe) is better than a truthfull guy from Quraish (meaning Prophet Mohammed). These people looked at things from a different prospective.


If he simply converted because he studied Islam and found it best, he would not care what Persians thought , right ? We until now care more about what others think rather than what we think. We always take people and the society into consideration.


One way that explains his worry is if he was under pressure to convert. A large, successful Islamic army at his border would create the requisite "pressure".
True and could be possible, but not for me. Understanding the envirment at that time and the strength of islam and taking other considerations as well, will remove this tought from you. I agree with you that if someone that does not know anything about it, will come to this conclusion especially non muslims. Its not your fault, its the fault of the person who told you about it. First because he was ambiguous and second because he does not know the whole truth of the issue itself. I am not hinting to this thread and to a particular person. I am saying is the way you accept something or reject it depends on who exactly is saying it and how confident and informative is he. :)

[Wanderer]

True and could be possible, but not for me. Understanding the envirment at that time and the strength of islam and taking other considerations as well, will remove this tought from you.

It is very interesting history. I hadn't read about it before. So thanks for keeping the subject alive and in a spirit of learning.

"The Arabs of Oman also figure prominently among the early converts to Islam. According to tradition, the Prophet sent one of his military leaders to Oman to convert not only the Arab inhabitants, some of whom were Christian, but also the Persian garrison, which was Zoroastrian. The Arabs accepted Islam, but the Persians did not. It was partly the zeal of the newly converted Arabs that inspired them to expel the Persians from Oman."

http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/oman/oman11.html

[EarThQuaKe]

It is very interesting history. I hadn't read about it before. So thanks for keeping the subject alive and in a spirit of learning.

"The Arabs of Oman also figure prominently among the early converts to Islam. According to tradition, the Prophet sent one of his military leaders to Oman to convert not only the Arab inhabitants, some of whom were Christian, but also the Persian garrison, which was Zoroastrian. The Arabs accepted Islam, but the Persians did not. It was partly the zeal of the newly converted Arabs that inspired them to expel the Persians from Oman."

http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/oman/oman11.html


What I know is that there were Christians, Zoroastrian and Jews before islam. I have not come to anythings else of what is said in that site. I will look for what Omanies said although it would be hard, but I promise you, I'll try my best. Now if some other members know something, they will help you. I won't discuss something I don't know with you because I know this will hurt me as a muslim and it will give you a bad impression about islam. Please, excuse me. :)

[wudjab]

i like your style EQ.

:applause:

[EarThQuaKe]

i like your style EQ.

:applause:

Thank you wudjab. :)

[Wardat_il'7leej]

Impressive Earthy :) I would have considered punching someones eyes out by now

[Guwantanamist]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Salam,

From experience I know any discussion with Wand is just a waste of time. While I was reading this article I hoped Wand would visit the website bimi has introduced about Oman, but I have doughts that he did.
Wand, you - as I have experienced you- are not looking for truth, but you have other things in mind.

Anyways - I am sorry for this introduction, but I thought it was important.

Back to the topic !

There are several issues to discuss in this topic, let us take it in turn:

1. The messanger of Mohammed PBUH to Jaifar & Abd

We all read the letter from prophet Mohammed PBUH, but it seems that Wand forgot that the letter was not sent alone. There was a messanger who took the letter and was responsible to explain the teachings of Islam to the two kings.
(When Amr Ibn A'As met Abd, Abd asked Amr; What does Mohammed ask people to do or not do in this religion ?
Amr said: He asks to obay Allah and not to disobay him. He asks doing good and to visit your relatives. He asks people not to be injustice on each other, and not to drink what makes the minds go out like bear, and not to commit adultry. He asks not to pray and bow to stones or crosses.
Abd Said: How nice what he is asking as for, and if my brother will agree with me we would go to Mohammed and believe him, but I think my brother would want to stick to his thrown.
Amr said: If he becomes muslim, then Prophet Mohammed will keep him on his people, and he will take a very small portion of money from the rich to be given to the poor (Sadaqa).
Abd said: This is a very nice behaviour ! But what is (Sadaqa) ?
Amr then explained that it is the portion of money Allah has asked the rich to give the poor, from cash to animals..etc


Then both went to Jaifer and discussed with each other about islam, until his heart fealt good about Islam and both became muslims and gave out the sadaqat.

(My own translation from a book called Noor Al-Yaqeen)

So we see from above that thier diversion to Islam was not only from the letter, but after a discusion that made them convinced about Islam.

To be continued insha Allah ....

[Guwantanamist]

2. What was happening behind the curtains

I mean behind the curtains of the scene that has been mentiond above.

If we look at the letter that was sent, when was it sent?
Was it sent when Prophet Mohammed has already entered Mekka where he become as strong as ever ?
No !
It happened in the 6th year of Hijra, where Mekka was not open yet. The muslims were strong - by numbers or theorotically - to be afraid of. However we know now that if the omanies had not entered Islam at that time then Mohammed PBUH will open Oman by war and blood. (Yes I know I said war and blood and I mean it. More explanation will come later).
At that time, Jaifar & Abd did not know that, simple because at that time victory was known to be to those who had the people and strength.

Another thing is that the Omanies could have easily united with the majority of Arabs who had not yet entered Islam, but Allah has lightnened their path and they chose the path of Allah, not the path of sins.

[Guwantanamist]

3. Islam spreaded by blood

I will not go into the details of this topic, but will only touch it to clarify some miunderstood points.
Islam did spread by blood. Maybe this sentence some muslims feel uncomfortable when said, but this is because they tend to relate it to the crusaders who tried to spread thier believe with blood.

Although the sentences are similar, but the actual meaning is very different.

First, When muslims went for war they were always reminded not to fight the following;
a. Ladies
b. Those who are worshiping in holy places (Churchs, Synogogs..etc)

They only had to fight those who fight.

Secondly, The muslims objective of going into war was not to inforce people to enter Islam by sword, NO, but rather thier objective was to remove the Leaders who were stopping the message of Islam to be sent to the citizens.
However, once the scholars explained to those people Islam, they all entered this religion with confidence that it is the right path. There are lots and lots of historical events that are evidence to this. Infact for the first time in history those who were invaded entered the religion of the "invaders" in thousands and thousands and take the responsibilty of sending this message to other people.

[Wanderer]

Wand, you - as I have experienced you- are not looking for truth, but you have other things in mind.

I think the problem stems from the fact that you usually confuse what you believe with Truth. I merely help point the inconsistancies out.

[Pineapple Thief]

Its interesting to note that what gwantanamist says convinced them of islam wasnt 'angels and heaven and hell' but 'charity, morality and justice' which is at least equally important in Islam.

[Wanderer]

We all read the letter from prophet Mohammed PBUH, but it seems that Wand forgot that the letter was not sent alone. There was a messanger who took the letter and was responsible to explain the teachings of Islam to the two kings.

Wanderer already assumed that 7th century Omanis and mobile Islamic Arab armies did not have e-mail or IM and thus would make use of real people as messengers. I suppose they occasionally used arrows.

Your contrived "comic book" story of the Omani leaders accepting Islam seems to gloss over the parts like:

"Islam did spread by blood."

"if the omanies had not entered Islam at that time then Mohammed PBUH will open Oman by war and blood."

[Wanderer]

... The muslims objective of going into war was not to inforce people to enter Islam by sword, NO, but rather thier objective was to remove the Leaders who were stopping the message of Islam to be sent to the citizens.

Make these simple substitution and take to the Politics Sabla. Defend.

The US objective of going into war was not to inforce people to enter democracy by sword, NO, but rather thier objective was to remove the Leaders who were stopping the message of democracy to be sent to the citizens.

Go on, Guano. Defend it.

[Arabian Princess]

at least we are not evil, and we dont go fight and kill in other people's land! :lift:

[Wanderer]

Secondly, The muslims objective of going into war was not to inforce people to enter Islam by sword, NO, but rather thier objective was to remove the Leaders who were stopping the message of Islam to be sent to the citizens.


I'm sure even you can see how the affected leaders - those being threatened by the invading Islamic armies - might finally say enough is enough and start a Crusade.

That is closer to what happened than your fairy tale of naked Christian European aggression.

[Wanderer]

at least we are not evil, and we dont go fight and kill in other people's land! :lift:


Is this as an Omani speaking to an invading Islamic Meccan ?


So you are saying Guano is wrong when he says :

"However we know now that if the omanies had not entered Islam at that time then Mohammed PBUH will open Oman by war and blood. (Yes I know I said war and blood and I mean it. " ?

[Arabian Princess]

you replied because you know who its directed to .. in arabic we say: ili 3ala rasu resha .. yit7asas 3aleeha ..

who has a feather on his head, would touch it

;)

[Wanderer]

you replied because you know who its directed to .. in arabic we say: ili 3ala rasu resha .. yit7asas 3aleeha ..

who has a feather on his head, would touch it

;)

Your logic is astounding.

I am unfamiliar with this Omani practice of leaving feathers in their hair. Eventually you'd look like a big, partially plucked bird.

Perhaps that's one reason Mohammed felt he could easily conquer you - the so-called "Chicken people of Oman".

[IceTea]

You have to say that while holding a sword to be historically accurate.

:color:


I'm not holding any sword now, are you going to refuse the straight path offer or you prefer following your Satan :)

[jack]

I'm not holding any sword now, are you going to refuse the straight path offer or you prefer following your Satan :)You know what the quran clearly states about a muslim converting ... I don't need to bring the verses you know them well.

Ah yes the sword is still there always ready to lead you back to the straight path.

Then you would have no problem with your child converting to another religion or would you do as the quran commands you??

[IceTea]

You know what the quran clearly states about a muslim converting ... I don't need to bring the verses you know them well.

Who would leave the straight path which is the sources of happiness in this life and the hereafter anyway and go for other twisted paths?



Ah yes the sword is still there always ready to lead you back to the straight path.


Islam is the fastest growing religion in today world, does this rings a bell?



Then you would have no problem with your child converting to another religion or would you do as the quran commands you??

Every child is born with the true faith of Islam including you :).

[jack]

Who would leave the straight path which is the sources of happiness in this life and the hereafter anyway and go for other twisted paths?



Islam is the fastest growing religion in today world, does this rings a bell?



Every child is born with the true faith of Islam including you :).All nice thoughts, but non pertaining to the question.

I wouldn't answer questions from your boss at work like this Tea ... it will result in a less than desired aprasial?

[IceTea]

jack, waiting for your answers and comments :D

[Wanderer]

I'm not holding any sword now, are you going to refuse the straight path offer or you prefer following your Satan :)

I'm guessing that by "straight path" you mean Islam.

Islam or Satan is a false dichotomy to me.

I have no use for Satans or devils or Jinn or any such thing and I havn't seen the benefit of Islam either.

[Wanderer]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in today world, does this rings a bell?


That's apparently so that Islam doesn't disappear entirely with all of the Muslims being killed by Allah through natural dister and at the hands of fellow Muslims - if I understand your position correctly.

[jack]

jack, waiting for your answers and comments :DI answered ... check around and you will find it.

hint: I used another avenue to answer

[IceTea]

I'm guessing that by "straight path" you mean Islam.

Islam or Satan is a false dichotomy to me.


How come you say Satan is a false dichotomy and he is the one telling you to enjoy this life and forget about the hereafter or what is after death?



I have no use for Satans or devils or Jinn or any such thing and I havn't seen the benefit of Islam either.

Have you thought about what is wating for you after death and the hereafter?

[Wanderer]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in today world, does this rings a bell?

.

Diabetes is the fastest growing disease.

Is there a connection ?

[Wanderer]

How come you say Satan is a false dichotomy and he is the one telling you to enjoy this life and forget about the hereafter or what is after death?

I don't believe that their is a choice limited to between Islam and Satan.

Thus we call it a false dichotomy.



Have you thought about what is wating for you after death and the hereafter?

Yes. Like Cetacea, I have to find a source of information that can pass the tests I give it regarding its origins and any statements it may make regarding the real world before I trust it as a source of information that is unverifiable.

So far I haven't found any.

[CrazyReD]

i'm just confused whats all this got to do with what abu baker said about Oman?

[Arabian Princess]

Yes. Like Cetacea, I have to find a source of information that can pass the tests I give it regarding its origins and any statements it may make regarding the real world before I trust it as a source of information that is unverifiable

until you find it, can please leave us discuss our faith peacfuly ? scince you come from a peace making country !

[Guwantanamist]

Its interesting to note that what gwantanamist says convinced them of islam wasnt 'angels and heaven and hell' but 'charity, morality and justice' which is at least equally important in Islam.

Excuse me to correct something.
Nothing is not important in Islam. Everything is as important, but when you are in a position of a leader (in this case Prophet Mohammed PBUH) then you should study the people you are trying to guide to the right path. This infact is one important thing in Islam when you guide people or try to do so.

Well we saw how effective the argument was, that is the two leaders got to conclude that a religion which calls out for good deeds as has been described to them, is definately a religion that has come from Allah.

[Arabian Princess]

Gwan,


what gwantanamist says convinced them of islam wasnt 'angels and heaven and hell' but 'charity, morality and justice' which is at least equally important in Islam


he didnt say that something is more important than another ;)

[Guwantanamist]

Make these simple substitution and take to the Politics Sabla. Defend.

The US objective of going into war was not to inforce people to enter democracy by sword, NO, but rather thier objective was to remove the Leaders who were stopping the message of democracy to be sent to the citizens.

Go on, Guano. Defend it.


I need not defend, i just ask you to watch the news.

How many women died ?
Children ?

How many bombs were thrown by mistake ?
How many bults ?

America it self does not have democracy in its states, how will they send democracy to others ?

Other countries had less democracy, where were the states ? Ops ... I forgot these other countries dont have oil.

Who are you kidding man ? America came for democracy ?
This is the biggest lie of the century ..... time will prove it !

[Guwantanamist]

Gwan,




he didnt say that something is more important than another ;)


True ... It seems I missed one word while reading and it changed the meaning.

Sorry Pineaple thief ...