Dreams

[sophis^catrina]

Anyone here know anything abt symbols and dreams?

Then I have a question, what does someone who tries to slit your throat from the back, but it doesn't hurt at all mean? In fact, while they try to slit your neck, you are very calm. You bleed. Yet you don't feel a thing.

[Pineapple Thief]

It means you need to see a psychiatrist ;)

A friend of mine keeps dreaming shes pregnant, but the baby dies. Shes really unnerved...what does that mean?

[sophis^catrina]

It means you need to see a psychiatrist ;)



:bored: I wanted a serious answer.

I meant is there anyone out there who reads abt this kind of stuff?

[Paradise Babe]

I think its better not to Search for the meaning of ur dream... becouse if its a bad dream then it will come true and hurt u.. So you better pray to god and think positive about it... thats what they say..
but if u realy wanna know i think theres a site that you can find the meaning of it... + theres lots of Books which gives you differnt meanings.. Hope i helped you
:heart:

[sophis^catrina]

but if u realy wanna know i think theres a site that you can find the meaning of it... + theres lots of Books which gives you differnt meanings.. Hope i helped you
:heart:

Thanks. :) Which site?

[Najah]

I know few things only... Sophi if you felt good then its a good indicator inshallah...

PT: pregnancy is bad in dreams, it means you willl cary humoom but since he/she dies maybe the ham will fade away... (thats what i know, allahu a3lam) inshallah there wont be any ham with her....

Sophi, your dream seems appealing. I don't know any website around but ya there are lots of boooks about it.

[Arabian Princess]

Check these sites Sophis:
http://www.alqanat.com/ahlam/ahlamaff.asp

http://dreams.al-islam.com/

[Raed]

if someone interrupt dreams they need to be a scholar as well. That's the Islam ruling to it. Ibn sereen had the same exact dreams told to him and he explained both differently that people started wondering! and he said it was an individual matter.

anyways,

if anyone seriously is after dream interpretations I could give out the telephone number of Sheikh. Nafe3 in Jordon, he remains one of the leading ones in this field.

[Wanderer]

Anyone here know anything abt symbols and dreams?

Then I have a question, what does someone who tries to slit your throat from the back, but it doesn't hurt at all mean? In fact, while they try to slit your neck, you are very calm. You bleed. Yet you don't feel a thing.

It means that you are no longer afraid of being accused of Apostasy in Islam and punished and are now free to relieve yourself of the burden it imposes on your creativity and curiosity. The believers can no longer hurt you.

Isn't the symbolism obvious ?

[sophis^catrina]

if anyone seriously is after dream interpretations I could give out the telephone number of Sheikh. Nafe3 in Jordon, he remains one of the leading ones in this field.
His number?


It means that you are no longer afraid of being accused of Apostasy in Islam and punished and are now free to relieve yourself of the burden it imposes on your creativity and curiosity. The believers can no longer hurt you.

Isn't the symbolism obvious ?

I think it was the other way round ;). I didn't say other details that are significant.

[Najah]

if someone interrupt dreams they need to be a scholar as well. That's the Islam ruling to it. Ibn sereen had the same exact dreams told to him and he explained both differently that people started wondering! and he said it was an individual matter.

anyways,

if anyone seriously is after dream interpretations I could give out the telephone number of Sheikh. Nafe3 in Jordon, he remains one of the leading ones in this field.

I never knew about this before? Any reasons behind this or do you have any quraanic,hadeeth that supports that? scholars?

[Wanderer]

I think it was the other way round ;). I didn't say other details that are significant.

The sex part ?

[Pineapple Thief]

He slits her throat and proceeds to have the time of his life with her :p


...creepy!



Sorry sophis, ill shut up now.l

[Bimzoori]

dear Sophis,

If you wake up at night from a bad dream, the first thing you should do is to seek refuge in Allah from shaytan (A3oothu Billah Min alshaytan alrajeem) at least three times.. then read Quran until you feel more relaxed..also change to the opposite position you were previously sleeping on..

dreams shouldn't be interpreted expect by those who have knowledge in the subject (as Raed mentioned earlier).. and its best to keep them discrete..


Allah knows best.

[IceTea]

A bad dream is from Satan and good vision from Allah as per the Hadith.

So there is a difference between dream and vision.

[Haroundb]

We are believers of Allah, and we don’t fear anything else but him. We know that what ever will happen to us will be from Allah and ordered by Allah, not anyone else. So if you have thins inside you then you are probably not supposed to fear anything. Allah do give us hints like think in our life in order to repent to him and to remember us of things which will correct our ways in life. Also sometimes he sends these dreams to give us hope (if the dream is a good one), so you wake up happy. Also many dreams which its content contains bad things with life measurements are explained to good things at the end.

What I believe about this is: If we are supposed to find a meaning for our dreams, Allah would have provided us with a reference for all possible dreams which may come to us (Not possible for Him “SWT” to do that). So you are trying to find an answer to that dream you have seen but if you want the truth, will not find. Allah wouldn’t let us go and be a pray to those people who can make use or money of explaining dreams. So it is something that you can keep it to yourself and don’t tell anyone about it because no one will really help you. You have to just do what you are supposed to do from asking Allah’s mercy and support and to read Quran …etc.

Prophet Yousif (PBUH) was having a gift from Allah to explain dreams. Not anyone will have this, and I believe that he has gained thins knowledge from Allah and this is a miracle from Allah to his prophet specifically. And still these people’s knowledge of the future didn’t change any thing, and it was mentioned in Quran that Yousif (PBUH) did tell them the explanation of their dreams and then told them that it was already set and decided by Allah.

41. "O my two companions of the prison! As to one of you, he will pour out the wine for his lord to drink: as for the other, he will hang from the cross, and the birds will eat from off his head. (so) hath been decreed that matter whereof ye twain do enquire"...

Joseph/41

So instead of wasting your time searching for answers just do the thing that really benefits you which is repenting to Allah and seeking his forgiveness. This sure will lead you to the best of you can reach of you already know the meaning of your dream.
So you just do like what I do (as mentioned above) and just leave it to Allah, because you will not really find a definite answer of your question. I know that we as humans have too much curiosity to know mysterious things and to find answers to things that don’t have one. And I think this is the whole idea of dreams, to keep you alerted and connected to Allah.

And Allah knows the best.

[Kazablanka]

what does Rain in a dream mean??

the other day I dreamt it was raining REALLY REALLY hard, it even got to the point where while being indoors, the ceiling was leaking really bad....


???

[Haroundb]

Someone did send me a Red point on what I have posted here ...

"Fear of Allah?" he noted...!

I don't know who he is (the man who reputed me), and I don't need to know, just I am afraid that I said something wrong without my notice. So did I say something wrong in my post? please feel free to PM me if you not feel posting it here, say what you want, just help me to correct my mistake.

Help me please!

[Wanderer]

dear Sophis,

If you wake up at night from a bad dream, the first thing you should do is to seek refuge in Allah from shaytan (A3oothu Billah Min alshaytan alrajeem) at least three times.. then read Quran until you feel more relaxed..also change to the opposite position you were previously sleeping on..


No, no, no. Everyone knows that upon having a bad dream you have to immediately sacrifice a young goat and smear it's blood on you bedroom door, then you have to place a lit candle on the floor and walk around it 7 times.

This will chase the "bad dream devils" away.


I think Stevie Wonder was right.

[Wanderer]

what does Rain in a dream mean??

the other day I dreamt it was raining REALLY REALLY hard, it even got to the point where while being indoors, the ceiling was leaking really bad....


???

One thought - It means you have to drink less water before going to bed and also go to the bathroom just before you go to bed.

Alternate thought - The "Bad Dream Devils want you to feel insecure and embarrased in that you need to shower more often and be cleaner.

[Wanderer]

"Fear of Allah?" he noted...!

I don't know who he is, ....



What !? He is the god worshipped by Muslims. In their mythology, Allah gave (via an Angel) His Prophet, Muhammed, a series of verses to write down and then give to the pagan people's of Arabia. There is evidence to suggest that He is related to or derived from Hubal and/or Baal.

[Wanderer]

A bad dream is from Satan and good vision from Allah as per the Hadith.

So there is a difference between dream and vision.

So who gives you the "wet" sexual dream ?

[Haroundb]

No, no, no. Everyone knows that upon having a bad dream you have to immediately sacrifice a young goat and smear it's blood on you bedroom door, then you have to place a lit candle on the floor and walk around it 7 times.

This will chase the "bad dream devils" away.


I think Stevie Wonder was right.
Take care this is not a joke, Wonderer, this is from our Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Wonderer, we keep discovering that what Islam says, always turns to be right.

Usually the one who ask the proof is the stronger side, and who think in a materialistic logical way is the more wiser... But...

You don't know that the belief we have works better than the more logical practical ways ever invented.

The idea is don’t touch this point… this is a sensitive issue, just to inform you.

[Haroundb]

What !? He is the god worshipped by Muslims. In their mythology, Allah gave (via an Angel) His Prophet, Muhammed, a series of verses to write down and then give to the pagan people's of Arabia. There is evidence to suggest that He is related to or derived from Hubal and/or Baal.
I am talking about the man who reputed me not Allah. He didn't mention his name this is why I said I don't know how he is!

[Wanderer]

Take care this is not a joke, Wonderer, this is from our Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Wonderer, we keep discovering that what Islam says, always turns to be right..

Then by all means support your ideas with quotes from the Quran. Otherwise, it's a lot of "Bla bla bla" from you.




The idea is don’t touch this point… this is a sensitive issue, just to inform you.

Too late.

Dreams don't mean anything by themselves until you give them meaning.

In other words, you experience a series of images and emotions that are without any meaning in your dream and then you try to make sense of it when you wake up.

You might as well start analyzing the smell of your farts and burps for philosophical "meaning" and messages from devils.

[Wanderer]

I am talking about the man who reputed me not Allah. He didn't mention his name this is why I said I don't know how he is!


Perhaps it was a devil or even Allah Himself trying to communicate dissatisfaction to you "through a veil"?

Will you admit that it IS possible that devils were trying to talk to you in the PM ?

[Wanderer]

dear Sophis,

If you wake up at night from a bad dream, the first thing you should do is to seek refuge in Allah from shaytan (A3oothu Billah Min alshaytan alrajeem) at least three times.. then read Quran until you feel more relaxed..also change to the opposite position you were previously sleeping on..

Allah knows best.

Bim, I think you left something important out !!

After a bad dream, you need to spit to your left.

" If you have a bad dream, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH() advised you to spit several times on the left side to change your position while sleeping. It is also recommended to lay on the right side and to avoid laying on the stomach" he pointed out.

http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/articles/dreams.html

Isn't this correct ?

So Bimzori, do you spit ?

[EarThQuaKe]

Anyone here know anything abt symbols and dreams?

Then I have a question, what does someone who tries to slit your throat from the back, but it doesn't hurt at all mean? In fact, while they try to slit your neck, you are very calm. You bleed. Yet you don't feel a thing.


.........EDITED..........

[Haroundb]

Will you admit that it IS possible that devils were trying to talk to you in the PM ?
No, I am not admitting that the devils were trying to talk to me in the PM. We are Muslims not idiots, Allah did tell us not to believe that Evil will heart me , no , it is all the only wish of Allah. So if it is the wish of Allah then if it is the Devil, Jinni, Batman, … I don’t care, because I believe that it is for my good, as far as it is from Allah then I accept it with an open heart. Do you think this type of thinking is a limited one? I don’t think so, and let me tell you, Allah did tell us also that we have to take all the available reasons to avoid bad things, like for example, sleeping on your left side will cause your stomach to be pressured under your body weigh, and as you know that nightmares comes mostly with a stuffed stomach. So Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) didn’t know at that time which side your stomach is because the knowledge of anatomy was not known at that time, but he was guided by Allah.

What will you say if (for example) it is discovered later that turning your head to the left side and moving your mouth do (reset) your sympathetic nerve, and clear your brain from the available images and chemical substances and the electronics which caused the nightmare, what would you say then, definitely you will say that “This is a scientific fact” and then you give a big smile.

Do you understand how we think about our Islamic theories! We don’t accept it as stories and myths which come from the old ages of ignorance and stupidity, No , we take it as a truth that is not disclosed to us till some certain time which can be in the days of our grand sons and daughters.

Let me tell you a small example. In Quran, it is mentioned literarily that earth is like an egg shape.



وقال تعالى في سورة النازعات آية 30:
"والارض بعد ذلك دحاها"

تفسير علماء الدين: والارض بعد ذلك بسطها على الماء ومهدها لسكنى الناس.
النظرة العلمية: توضح المعاجم اللغوية أن كلمة دحاها تؤدى معنى أنه جعلها كالدحية أى كالبيضة لان الادحوة معناها بيضة النعام أو مكان بيض النعام ويكون عادة مستدير الشكل، ولا شك أن هذا يطابق شكل الارض الحقيقى الذى تدل عليه البراهين النظرية والعملية، كما تؤكده الصور التى سجلتها آلات التصوير أثناء رحلات الاقمار الصناعية في الفضاء، ولفظ دحا يدل على شيئين هما البسط مع الاتساع والتكوير في التكوين، وهذه روعة في التعبير عن أن الارض التى نراها أمامنا في الظاهر مبسوطة فسيحة الارجاء هى في واقع الامر مستديرة كالبيضة، وهذا تقدير العزيز الحكيم الذى أتقن كل شئ خلقه.

At the days of the followers of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) they were wondering how come the earth will be round and we see it just strait forward like one flat surface? But still they believed in what came in Quran. For those who lived in their days of non-muslims this was a big joke, … Hahaha … the flat earth we see is like (round) hhaahaa this is funny … those Muslims are crazy ….” They must have said. Now we have the most respect to those old Muslims.

Do you know .. if you ask one of them what do you think about this earth round thing, and how it looks too much silly ( at that time)? He will give you a strong straight answer, : Yes I believe it, if Mohammed said that Allah says so then I believe him all the way to the end.

After 1000 years when they discovered that earth was true (round) shape, they non-Muslims didn’t stop laughing when Muslims did say that Allah did say that it is like an egg shape. Egg …. Hohohoaaa haaa, and which checking did lay this egg? … hahaha
And after 3000 years (now) when they discover that the earth is not a full round shape, but a more like an (Egg) shape, no one of Non-Muslims comment on this and they just explain it as a mere coincidence and just a lucky shot…or they don’t really say anything, just keep quite about it , you know why?
Because they don’t believe. And you know why we are so happy with Islam? Because we believe.

Let me tell you that if all the facts that Quran and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) stated, were discovered at a limited period of time (say 100 years or so) and that’s it, it would be said that Islam is a limited religion who gave all what it has and has no more to give (impotence), but what we are having here is a religion which every day prove its validity and correctness, and which will support those who want to believe and make those who doesn’t want to believe more far from the truth, and this is a reward for those who believe in Islam and a punishment for those (closed their eyes and hearts) from believing in Islam.

[Raed]

I never knew about this before? Any reasons behind this or do you have any quraanic,hadeeth that supports that? scholars?

link (http://www.awkaf.net/islamicbooks/tareef/elm-tabeer.html)

hope it is of use though what I am looking for was not included.

More in-depth (http://dreams.al-islam.com/topics.asp?ID=2&t=topics)

[Wanderer]

At the days of the followers of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) they were wondering how come the earth will be round and we see it just strait forward like one flat surface? But still they believed in what came in Quran. For those who lived in their days of non-muslims this was a big joke, … Hahaha … the flat earth we see is like (round) hhaahaa this is funny … those Muslims are crazy ….” They must have said. Now we have the most respect to those old Muslims.

Do you know .. if you ask one of them what do you think about this earth round thing, and how it looks too much silly ( at that time)? He will give you a strong straight answer, : Yes I believe it, if Mohammed said that Allah says so then I believe him all the way to the end.

After 1000 years when they discovered that earth was true (round) shape, ....

After 1000 years ? It was well established that the Earth was spherical at least 800 years before Mohammed !! So how is this KNOWN fact put in the Quran suddenly a revelation from a god ?


"Eratosthenes of Cyrene (275-194 B.C.) was a Greek scholar who lived and worked in Cyrene and Alexandria. Eratosthenes was director of the famous library in Alexandria, and is known for numerous important contributions to mathamatics, geography, and astronomy. In particular, he is remembered for a technique he introduced which enabled him to compute the first reliable determination of the true size of the earth.

This technique is based on the observation by Eratosthenes that the sun is directly overhead at noon in Syene in southern Egypt on the first day of summer. (This is the time of the summer solstice.) While visiting Syene Eratosthenes apparently stopped at a well and noted that the noon sun reflected directly back from the water in the bottom of the well.

Since Eratosthenes knew that the earth was a sphere, he correctly reasoned that if he could determine the altitude of the noon sun at some other location on the first day of summer, AND if he knew the distance between these two locations, he could compute the circumference of the earth as a simple ratio..[/QUOTE]

http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/observatory/eratosthenes/

You should be feeling like an idiot about now for believing what you posted.




they non-Muslims didn’t stop laughing when Muslims did say that Allah did say that it is like an egg shape. Egg …. Hohohoaaa haaa, and which checking did lay this egg? … hahaha
And after 3000 years (now) when they discover that the earth is not a full round shape, but a more like an (Egg) shape, no one of Non-Muslims comment on this and they just explain it as a mere coincidence and just a lucky shot…or they don’t really say anything, just keep quite about it , you know why?
Because they don’t believe. And you know why we are so happy with Islam? Because we believe.

Then you believe nonsense. The Earth is not Egg shaped.

"For many maps, including nearly all maps in commercial atlases, it may be assumed that the Earth is a sphere. Actually, it is more nearly a slightly flattened sphere - an oblate ellipsoid of revolution,..."
http://exchange.manifold.net/manifold/manuals/5_userman/mfd50The_Earth_as_an_Ellipsoid.htm


"The shape of the Earth can be represented by an ellipsoid of rotation (or called a spheroid) with the lengths of the major semi-axis (a) and the minor semi-axis (b) as shown in Figure 1.4 (a).

The amount of polar flattening ..."
http://www.profc.udec.cl/~gabriel/tutoriales/giswb/vol2/cp1/cp1-2.htm

Earth is an ellipsoid - a sphere flattened at the poles.


Now the Moon, the Moon IS egg-shaped !!

"The unusual slightly egg-shape of the Moon with the small end of the "egg" pointing toward Earth causes the Moon to keep the same face toward Earth at all times. This is because its period of rotation and revolution are the same; 29 days, 12 hours and 44 minutes. This cycle is known as the lunar month as seen from Earth. "

http://www.edu.pe.ca/southernkings/Moon.htm

So by your presentation, the Quran is wrong, or (the defense you will likely take), the translation is wrong.




Let me tell you that if all the facts that Quran and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) stated, ...

No fact is stated in the Quran which wasn't already known prior to its writing.

There are, in fact, factual errors in the Quran. That the Earth is egg-shaped is one.

Now, about sleeping on left and right sides ...

[EarThQuaKe]

Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge.
{ala'raf 33}

And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). {alisra' 36}

DO you mind giving me a prove that "Dahaha" means "Egg shaped" from the Sunnah.

[Wanderer]

Let me tell you a small example. In Quran, it is mentioned literarily that earth is like an egg shape.



وقال تعالى في سورة النازعات آية 30:
"والارض بعد ذلك دحاها"

تفسير علماء الدين: والارض بعد ذلك بسطها على الماء ومهدها لسكنى الناس.
النظرة العلمية: توضح المعاجم اللغوية أن كلمة دحاها تؤدى معنى أنه جعلها كالدحية أى كالبيضة لان الادحوة معناها بيضة النعام أو مكان بيض النعام ويكون عادة مستدير الشكل، ولا شك أن هذا يطابق شكل الارض الحقيقى الذى تدل عليه البراهين النظرية والعملية، كما تؤكده الصور التى سجلتها آلات التصوير أثناء رحلات الاقمار الصناعية في الفضاء، ولفظ دحا يدل على شيئين هما البسط مع الاتساع والتكوير في التكوين، وهذه روعة في التعبير عن أن الارض التى نراها أمامنا في الظاهر مبسوطة فسيحة الارجاء هى في واقع الامر مستديرة كالبيضة، وهذا تقدير العزيز الحكيم الذى أتقن كل شئ خلقه.

And after 3000 years (now) when they discover that the earth is not a full round shape, but a more like an (Egg) shape, no one of Non-Muslims comment on this and they just explain it as a mere coincidence and just a lucky shot…or they don’t really say anything, just keep quite about it , you know why?


LOL - Maybe they're absolutely astonished that you are so uninformed, superstitious and easily misled ?

Just a lucky guess.

"A sane Muslim response from the newsgroup soc.religion.islam confirms the above:

as-salamu 'alaykum.

This nonsense about "egg-shaped" crops up from time to time. An egg has an equator which is smaller than that of a sphere with the same polar radius. This is opposite to the situation with the earth, where the equator is *very slightly* larger than that of a corresponding sphere.

An egg is more or less a prolate spheroid, and the difference between it and a sphere is quite obvious visually. The earth is quite spherical, but, if one must be more precise, it is an oblate spheroid. It is not egg-shaped, no matter how one slices it.

AbdulraHman Lomax

"You might be glad to find out that the Qur'an does not make the false claim that the earth is "egg-shaped" after all. This is only the error of a misguided propaganda translation. Claiming that "dahaha" means "egg-shaped" is an atrocious mistranslation of the Arabic word. This issue is further investigated an article about the true meaning of Sura 79:30."

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/earth_egg.html



Haroundb, cheer up, the Earth is not flat either.

You DID know that, didn't you ?

[Haroundb]

1-Wonderer, do you know Arabic language? I doubt...So don't speak about something you don't know.

2-Do you think quoting that man makes what he says correct! is it because the name is of an Arabic person then this is to be taken as a proof that he is right? "AbdulraHman Lomax"!!! it is good that he is not "AbdulraHman Xerox"!!! From where you get these things people?
Do you know that Mr. "John Kococjumbo" says that we are not Humans, we are turtles?
Now you have to correct your information, we are turtles!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raed]

isn't this about dreams?

[Haroundb]

isn't this about dreams?
Yes it was.

[Raed]

Aight. just checking, yall keep going back and forth in the name of finding truth.

Ciao.

[Wanderer]

1-Wonderer, do you know Arabic language? I doubt...So don't speak about something you don't know.

Apparently you need some remedial lessons.

However, I DO know that the shape of the Earth isn't like an egg.

So which is wrong, the Quran or you and your Arabic ?



All my dreams are divine messages from the gods.

[Haroundb]

Apparently you need some remedial lessons.
However, I DO know that the shape of the Earth isn't like an egg.

Ok... Is it a full ball shape?
http://exchange.manifold.net/manifold/manuals/5_userman/mfd50The_Earth_as_an_Ellipsoid.htm
The above is your link, and you have stated before that it is not a full sphere, then how would you put it? If you want to describe it for an ordinary man, what is the object you will use for similarity?

Listen, what I said about you is right, you have no idea about Arabic language, … we call anything that is not a full sphere, بيضاوي which means egg shape. Ask anyone you know who knows very little about Arabic language (even a 10 years old boy will know it). There is no other name that you can use to describe it in Arabic.



No fact is stated in the Quran which wasn't already known prior to its writing.

From where you got that??? I can give you hundreds of things which was mentioned in Qruan which was not known before its days.

But you know what … this is all useless, whey should I tell you? You will not accept any of them, and you will do your best to find out how to prove it wrong, you know why? Allah did mention you in Quran before (I think no one did before that), and he said that you are of the type, which will not understand even if all the truth between his own eyes, you know why? Because you are not the type who wants to know, or seeking knowledge, you are just trying to be more far than you are.


‏18:57 ومن اظلم ممن ذكر بايات ربه فاعرض عنها ونسي ماقدمت يداه انا جعلنا على قلوبهم اكنة ان يفقهوه وفي اذانهم وقرا وان تدعهم الى الهدى فلن يهتدوا اذا ابدا.

18:57. And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.


If someone can’t see with his eyes open, you have to know that the problem is not in his eyes, but in his brain.
Good Luck…

[IceTea]

DO you mind giving me a prove that "Dahaha" means "Egg shaped" from the Sunnah.

yes a soild proof is required!

[Haroundb]

DO you mind giving me a prove that "Dahaha" means "Egg shaped" from the Sunnah.

yes a soild proof is required!
I don’t have to give you any prove (Nether Solid Nor Liquid), just open any Arabic dictionary, and make sure to wear your spectacles.

You people prove every day that you have a very narrow minds, and that is good, you will not add an inch to the contribution of your ancestors who used their minds and realized something, I think you are just wasting your time there floating on earth…!

If we are supposed to have proof from Sunnah for each and every meaning we receive from Allah. So then why do you think Qurqan is a miracle? If it were simply an informative book, would that makes it a miracle!

Can anyone give me an answer for this! If it is just a book of do and don’t do and some stories about old happenings?, why we consider Quran a miracle then???????

And that other guy who just want to limit our brains to his little mind! He is so limited… so limited… so limited… he always come from the moon, land on some thread and then start testing his keyboard…God bless him!!

[IceTea]

Check below link to understand the meaning of "Da7a"

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/zaghlool/24.htm



PS: you should try to control yourself from attacking other members just because you think what you say is right!

[Haroundb]

Check below link to understand the meaning of "Da7a"

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/zaghlool/24.htm



PS: you should try to control yourself from attacking other members just because you think what you say is right!
Yah.................................I will control myself.

[Haroundb]

My problem is not because that I think that I am right and the others are worng, no, it is that I think that other people do think like me. This is my mistake, I use some way of thinking that is not applicable to others, and still I expect from other to reach the same point that I have reached while thinking in something. This what makes me mad, and it is one of my faults that I am trying to fight.

[IceTea]

Let us not get emotional here, we are here to discuss things.

You said that the word "da7aha" means egg shape, but according to the tafseer it means made flat (not the shape) for people to be able to live in it and also water and green come out of it. What do you say?

[Haroundb]

Let us not get emotional here, we are here to discuss things.

You said that the word "da7aha" means egg shape, but according to the tafseer it means made flat (not the shape) for people to be able to live in it and also water and green come out of it. What do you say?

Just check what is the meaning of the word "دحية".
Allah would have said "بسطها" it would have given a better explanation to the word. Remember also that those who explained this word were not aware of the real shape of the earth, but they were more convinced of the meaning of flatting the earth. They are not doing this on purpose but it is like that a word has a clear meaning and a little far meaning which works like a tip or a hint for those who want to think in the core of the things and extend their prospective. The use of the word is not a lucky shot.

If you don’t believe still that "دحية"means egg, then this is another story!

http://us.geocities.com/hayayoo/ard.htm

http://members.tripod.com/ayahweijaz/space9.htm

http://members.tripod.com/al_koun/ARD.HTM

By the way Lybians do call eggs "دحي" and if you don't know just ask, and here is a proof:


بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته،،
عندي لكم اكلة مستحيل الليبيين ما يديروها في رمضان B)
وهي تتـأ تتـا ( الكيمياء ) ;)
اعوذ بالله مش كيميائ القرايا :دايخ: ههههههههههههه
كيمياء متاع اكل واااااو :فرحان جداً: :فرحان جداً: :فرحان جداً:
خطرها يا مدام مايا لو سمحتي شنو هو الورق المسلوق؟
وتوا وقت الكيمياء :زغروطة: :زغروطة: :زغروطة:
المقادير :-
نصف كيلو لحم مفروم راس بصل كبير ربطة ****************بر قطعة كبيرةشيبة
ثلاثة ملاعق زيت نصف ملعقة ملح وربع ملعقة صغيرة فلفل اكحل واهم حاجة دحي 8 دحيات
الطريقة :-
نحط المقادير كلهم على بعضهم اللا ال****************بر والدحي
ونخليهم على نار هادية :يحترق من الغضب: ونحطلهم شويييييية ماء وبعد ما يطيب اللحم نحط المقدار في طاجين ون****************ر الدحي فوقه ونرش ال****************بر عليه بعد الرش قليل من الملح والفلفل الاسود على الدحي المفقوس ونحطة في الكوشة
وبعد ها كولوها بالهناء :فرحان جداً:
وكل عام وانتم بالف خير :D :D
ومزلت معاكم :غارق في الحب:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ho9rEZ9e7o8J:www.trables.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D3136%26st%3D15+%D8%AF%D8%A D%D9%8A+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%8A %D9%86&hl=en

[IceTea]

Just check what is the meaning of the word "دحية".
Allah would have said "بسطها" it would have given a better explanation to the word. [/url]

Well arabic langauage is rich langauge and a word could have many meanings and not just one but it all depends on the verse it's used in or the sentence. You are limiting yourself to the meaning "egg shape" for the word "دحية"!!

Did you look at the link I provided above all tafseer saying that this word means flat (again this doesn't mean the shape is flat) which is logical so that people can live in it and then water, etc brought out of it.

If you want to find the shape of the earth in he Quran then there are other verses.

[IceTea]

At a time when it was held that the Earth was the center of the world and that the Sun moved in relation to it, how could any one have failed refer to the Sun's movement when talking of the sequence of night and day? This is not however referred to in the Qur'an and the subject is dealt with as follows:

- Surah 7, verse 54:

(God) covers the day with the night which is in haste to follow it...

- Surah 36, verse 37:

And a sign for them (human beings) is the night. We strip it of the day and they are in darkness

- Surah 31, verse 29:

Hast thou not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night

- Surah 39, verse 5:

... He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night

The first verse cited requires no comment. The second simply provides an image.

It is mainly the third and fourth verses quoted above that provide interesting material on the process of interpenetrating and especially of winding the night upon the day and the day upon the night (Surah 39, verse 5).

'To coil' or 'to wind' seems, as in the French translation by R. Blachere, to be the best way of translating the Arabic verb kawwara. The original meaning of the verb is to 'coil' a turban around the head; the notion of coiling is preserved In all the other senses of the word.

What actually happens however in space? American astronauts have seen and photographed what happens from their spaceships, especially at a great distance from Earth, e.g. from the Moon. They saw how the Sun permanently lights Up (except in the case of an eclipse) the half of the Earth's surface that is facing it, while the other half of the globe is in darkness. The Earth turns on its own axis and the lighting remains the same, so that an area in the form of a half-sphere makes one revolution around the Earth in twenty-four hours while the other half-sphere, that has remained in darkness, makes the same revolution in the same time. This perpetual rotation of night and day is quite clearly described in the Qur'an. It is easy for the human understanding to grasp this notion nowadays because we have the idea of the Sun's (relative) immobility and the Earth's rotation. This process of perpetual coiling, including the interpenetrating of one sector by another, is expressed in the Qur'an just as if the concept of the Earth's roundness had already been conceived at the time --- which was obviously not the case.

Further to the above reflections on the sequence of day and night, one must also mention, with a quotation of some verses from the Qur'an, the idea that there is more than one Orient and One Occident. This is of purely descriptive interest because these phenomena rely on the most commonplace observations. The idea is mentioned here with the aim of reproducing as faithfully as possible all that the Qur'an has to say on this subject. The following are examples:

- In Surah 70, verse 40, the expression 'Lord of Orients and Occidents'.

- Surah 55. verse 17, the expression 'Lord of the two Orients and the two Occidents'.

- Surah 43, verse 38, a reference to the 'distance between the two Orients', an image intended to express the immense size of the distance separating the two points.

Anyone who carefully watches the sunrise and sunset knows that the Sun rises at different points of the Orient and sets at different points of the Occident, according to season. Bearings taken on each of the horizons define the extreme limits that mark the two Orients and Occidents, and between these there are Points marked off throughout the year. The phenomenon described here is rather commonplace, but what mainly deserves attention in this chapter are the other topics dealt with, where the description of astronomical phenomena referred to in the Qur'an is in keeping with modern data.


http://www.al-islam.com/articles/articles-e.asp?fname=Q_S006

[Haroundb]

I have nothing to add, let other membrs judge for themselves.

[Wardat_il'7leej]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:06WBBtDSH_sJ:www.u.arizona.edu/~clark42/ILM3/websphere.png

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:rdQyIDwlVS8J:www.u.arizona.edu/~clark42/ILM3/websphere2.png

Now which to you looks more like an egg? :think:


something i wanted to add....
Quran: shape of the Earth (http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/whale_nun.htm)

[IceTea]

Nice one wardah :D

[sophis^catrina]

I thought that this was abt dreams. :angry:

[IceTea]

yes it was then it turns by "qudrit qader" about earth :)

[Wanderer]

Ok... Is it a full ball shape?

No. It starts as a sphere then flattened at the top and bottom of the North South axis - in other words, it bulges in the middle.

But that is hardly an egg shape. Only in your dreams is that an egg shape.

Go ahead, get an egg. Does it bulge the middle or to one end ? If you say "in the middle" you must go and see an eye doctor before you drive again. Eggs have a distinctive shape where there is greater mass to one side.

The Earth is not egg-shaped. If your language translates it that way, then find a better language because your science and understanding of the world will be all goofy if you use such a poetic imprecise language.

Though if your translation is correct, then the source material, in this case the Quran, is incorrect.

Take your pick.

[Haroundb]

No. It starts as a sphere then flattened at the top and bottom of the North South axis - in other words, it bulges in the middle.

But that is hardly an egg shape. Only in your dreams is that an egg shape.

Go ahead, get an egg. Does it bulge the middle or to one end ? If you say "in the middle" you must go and see an eye doctor before you drive again. Eggs have a distinctive shape where there is greater mass to one side.

The Earth is not egg-shaped. If your language translates it that way, then find a better language because your science and understanding of the world will be all goofy if you use such a poetic imprecise language.

Though if your translation is correct, then the source material, in this case the Quran, is incorrect.

Take your pick.

Can you please instead of describing it just link a picture that you consider the correct shape of the earth?

[Kazablanka]

For what its worth.. In Libyan, Dahya means egg.. :hehe:

[Wanderer]

Can you please instead of describing it just link a picture that you consider the correct shape of the earth?

OK.

And while I'm searching for a link, I expect you to explicitly state what kind of egg the earth is shaped like - chicken egg, salmon egg, crocodile egg, poached egg, scrambled egg, dinosaur egg, face-grabbing alien egg, ovum, etc. so that we don't find you moving the target.

Eggs come in many shapes and sizes. Is the "egg" of your Quranic translation a chicken egg or one of the others ?

[Wanderer]

Can you please instead of describing it just link a picture that you consider the correct shape of the earth?

I can do better.

This is an actual photograph of the Earth - though, obviously, it is of its Arse side.

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/1122RoundEarthPic1.jpeg

[Haroundb]

OK.

And while I'm searching for a link, I expect you to explicitly state what kind of egg the earth is shaped like - chicken egg, salmon egg, crocodile egg, poached egg, scrambled egg, dinosaur egg, face-grabbing alien egg, ovum, etc. so that we don't find you moving the target.

Eggs come in many shapes and sizes. Is the "egg" of your Quranic translation a chicken egg or one of the others ?

توضح المعاجم اللغوية أن كلمة دحاها تؤدى معنى أنه جعلها كالدحية أى كالبيضة لان الادحوة معناها بيضة النعام أو مكان بيض النعام ويكون عادة مستدير الشكل،

Arabic dictionaries state that "Da7yah" "دحية" is the Ostrich egg, which is more round in shape than the chicken and dinosaur egg.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:FoW-KEv7oBgJ:www.honoluluzoo.org/images/ostrich_egg.jpg

My mistake here is that I said that it is the "egg shape" where I supposed to say that it is an oval shape which is the only way you can describe a non full sphere shape.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:EJDXQd1BVBIJ:www.dal.ca/~jughead/graphics/grey-sphere-bkrd.jpg

Your mistake is that you don't know Arabic language which in it oval shape is called "eggy" shape, in which we don't know any other word that can describe this shape better than eggy "بيضاوي"!

ٍSo when Quran come and say that Allah did make the earth wide and flat "from the view of the one who live on it" and do look oval shape for the one who look from outside, "which is the far meaning I am using here", then you have to know that eggy shape, doesn't mean it is the same shape like an egg exactly, no , but the message here is "IT IS NOT A FULL ROUND SHAPE" which would be a "scientific mistake" to be considered against Quran if it would have said that it is a sphere shape!

SO the idea here is what? The idea is that there are some people who are like you Wonderer who are trying to prove that Quran is putting things in the wrong way, whatever Quran will say, you will come and try to contradict it.

Imagine if Quran would have said that the earth is round sphere shape, you would have come and say: "What is this man? Earth is no way round, it is more like an oval shape!" So what do you expect anyone who would describe a "Non-Sphere" shape, what would he say in the simple and ordinary language, a language that every one understand?

The earth shaped like ............ not a full sphere.

Fill the dots, and then come back to continue the discussion