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Enigma
01-12-04, 03:44 PM
When the issue of sexual harassment comes up and more seriously, rape, often a group of ppl will blame the victim for it. There's a story about a woman who got raped, her family's first words spoken to her after they knew were : What were you wearing?

If a woman walks around in a mini skirt, or tight, butt-clinging pants, or a low necked shirt revealing her breasts.. etc. Is she asking for a guy to harass her?

Should she have her cake and eat it too: she wears whatever she likes and is protected by moral (and legal) law that no one should attempt to challenge or hurt her?

If she prances around in sexy, revealing clothes does she have the right to complain that guys are leering at her?

Abs
01-12-04, 03:54 PM
Lol...enigma you literally picked that leaf out of my book of wisdom.(oppression thread).

Women wear revealing dress not for their pleasure but for other men to see and admire her. If she gets raped "then its her fault for sure". Why do all this when you can cover yourself decently and not be harrasd.

Beauty is in your face and soul, not your body alone.

Wardat_il'7leej
01-12-04, 03:58 PM
Women wear revealing dress not for their pleasure but for other men to see and admire her. If she gets raped "then its her fault for sure". Why do all this when you can cover yourself decently and not be harrasd.


She can be wearing a tent and still get harassed and abused......dont tell me its her fault alone

Abs
01-12-04, 04:02 PM
She can be wearing a tent and still get harassed and abused......dont tell me its her fault alone

look at the ratio of those wearing "tents" and those wearing revealing dresses....who gets harassed more?

EarThQuaKe
01-12-04, 10:52 PM
A person who leaves home going to a friends house, walking at midnight and gets punched by a few drunk men. Did he ask for it.

A person who doesnt use safe sex and gets AIDS. Did he ask for it.

Moral of the 2 examples. Nobody will look for your safety, except yourself. If you want to take a risk, you have to face the consequences.

PhaHaDde
01-12-04, 11:03 PM
A person who leaves home going to a friends house, walking at midnight and gets punched by a few drunk men. Did he ask for it.

A person who doesnt use safe sex and gets AIDS. Did he ask for it.

Moral of the 2 examples. Nobody will look for your safety, except yourself. If you want to take a risk, you have to face the consequences.


Absolutely right!

Blossom
01-12-04, 11:13 PM
Rape is not a woman mistake whatever she is wearing, i don't think any sane woman will ask to be raped.

sophis^catrina
01-12-04, 11:49 PM
Rape is not a woman mistake whatever she is wearing, i don't think any sane woman will ask to be raped.


Wisest statement in the whole thread.

As Blossom said, IS THERE ANY WOMAN WHO ASKS TO BE RAPED?

Men use that as an excuse.

God, I feel so angry when men try to make up excuses for their own faults and blame it on the woman. :scold:

I don't fu*king care what was she wearing. No woman asks to be raped.

Scorpio27
02-12-04, 12:01 AM
A person who leaves home going to a friends house, walking at midnight and gets punched by a few drunk men. Did he ask for it.

A person who doesnt use safe sex and gets AIDS. Did he ask for it.

Moral of the 2 examples. Nobody will look for your safety, except yourself. If you want to take a risk, you have to face the consequences.

Well said , you didn’t keep any word for me to spare her :D

If a woman walks around in a mini skirt, or tight, butt-clinging pants, or a low necked shirt revealing her breasts.. etc. Is she asking for a guy to harass her?


Not asking to harras her but if you keep delicious foods open ants will eat them for sure, thinking these are free :candy:

Scorpio27
02-12-04, 12:04 AM
Rape is not a woman mistake whatever she is wearing, i don't think any sane woman will ask to be raped.

can you call them sane women ?!
If a woman walks around in a mini skirt, or tight, butt-clinging pants, or a low necked shirt revealing her breasts..
:help:

If you invite with sex appeal, you can't just blame the sexy guys. :o

*NK 105*
03-12-04, 12:15 AM
yeah i guess she asked for it by dressing 2 sexy..

Orion
03-12-04, 12:32 AM
No means No. Even when it means Yes.

So ... No.

DorellaM
03-12-04, 12:33 AM
If she gets raped "then its her fault for sure". Why do all this when you can cover yourself decently and not be harrasd.


I am appalled that anyone in the world would make any excuse for RAPE!!

NOW I AGREE with Enigma where in another thread she stated the follwing:

I also find it very contradicting and immorally stupid of a woman to walk around in a mini skirt and then request that she is treated with respect by all and that she portrays herself as a sex object yet complains when she's treated like one.

BUT people forcing another person to have sex with them against their own will is never excusable. Your basically saying that because of the way she was dressed, forced the man to rape her. Like he has no self control. Now that's even degrading to men because it makes them seem like undomesticaed animals.

Rape will ALWAYS be the fault of the RAPER!! The person has a will and only that person is responsible for their actions.

That's like saying its the bars fault that i got drunk last night :rolleyes:

CrazyReD
03-12-04, 12:38 AM
any guy/girl who rapes desrves to get the worse (yes i did say girl cause women do rape to)

no one asks to be raped

however a women dressed less decent, sadly has higher chances of getting raped

better be safe then sorry (el weqaya '7air min el 3laj)

btw why is always generalized and anti men in here

women do rape to go read disclosare or go watch the movie (starting demi more and micheal doglas)

Storm
03-12-04, 12:54 AM
A person who leaves home going to a friends house, walking at midnight and gets punched by a few drunk men. Did he ask for it.

A person who doesnt use safe sex and gets AIDS. Did he ask for it.

Moral of the 2 examples. Nobody will look for your safety, except yourself. If you want to take a risk, you have to face the consequences.



totally ture ,,,

its your responsibility to take care of you self ,, not any one else ,,,, and when you wana do anything ,,, just be ready to face the results

DorellaM
03-12-04, 01:26 AM
btw why is always generalized and anti men in here


Very true....there is alot of anti-men in here....i on the other hand am pro-men ;)

BUT on the real.....there are lots of cases where women do rape. Its just that the guys report way less than women report. They're more embarrassed. Infact i read an article...i will go find it.

jack
03-12-04, 01:31 AM
Lol...enigma you literally picked that leaf out of my book of wisdom.(oppression thread).

Women wear revealing dress not for their pleasure but for other men to see and admire her. If she gets raped "then its her fault for sure". Why do all this when you can cover yourself decently and not be harrasd.

Beauty is in your face and soul, not your body alone.From my book of wisdom ...

Your only defense here is to plea ... temporary INSANITY !

Kazablanka
03-12-04, 02:05 AM
Very true....there is alot of anti-men in here....i on the other hand am pro-men ;)

BUT on the real.....there are lots of cases where women do rape. Its just that the guys report way less than women report. They're more embarrassed. Infact i read an article...i will go find it.

Women rape? How?

Men are stronger than women so like he could like beat her up or something if she tried jumping on him, yeah?

HaYa
03-12-04, 02:18 AM
Fine she wore a sexy Dress ? There are no laws against wearing sexy clothes ? BUT There are Laws against Rape and Rapist!

I don't believe it, you ppl are justifying for Rape!! There is nothing worst than rape.

amo_l_oman
03-12-04, 02:24 AM
look at the ratio of those wearing "tents" and those wearing revealing dresses....who gets harassed more?
What about you and your gender? Is it so difficult keeping under control your bird?
I can agree that a sexy dress can be a sign like the sexy bracelets, but who told you to answer to that call?
How do you deal with your personal responsability and the free will that God gave to all of us in His immense bounty?

CrazyReD
03-12-04, 02:29 AM
i'm not justifying it

it's like this

there's a mine field and u know it's there and you go walk in it blame ur self (ok this example is to extreme) but why would a women dress so indecent to attract attention

she won't be convicted or blamed or anything

again men can get raped to how go watch that movie kaza

HaYa
03-12-04, 02:31 AM
"Men Gets Obssessed with anything covered, in women"

So sexy dress or fully covered , doesn't really matter.

DorellaM
03-12-04, 02:34 AM
http://www.teenwire.com/index.asp?taStrona=http://www.teenwire.com/ask/2003/as_20030624p592_rape.asp

This is the link to the women raping men article.

Crazy, understandable that she has a higher chance of getting raped dressing like that but its still not her fault. Its almost as if we are arguing diff issues.

It's important to remember that sexual assault is not about sexual desire — it's about violence and humiliation. Anyone — woman or man — has the right to say "no" to sexual contact that she or he doesn't want. Remember:

Sexual assault is never the victim's fault.

Women and men may want sex sometimes and may not want sex sometimes.

Women and men get to change their minds and say "no" to sex, even if they've consented to some kind of sex play.

Women and men can be violent or aggressive.

Women and men can be pressured, coerced, or forced into sex, especially when alcohol or other drugs are used.

CrazyReD
03-12-04, 02:38 AM
"Men Gets Obssessed with anything covered, in women"

So sexy dress or fully covered , doesn't really matter.

:eh: generalization again

i wish the guy who bangs his head was still around

:bomb:

Shinoda LP
03-12-04, 02:42 AM
So the general notion is that a women should always cover themselves 24/7 around strangers to protect themselves from being raped?

Interesting ... *looks for the emot of a guy scratching his chin*

CrazyReD
03-12-04, 02:46 AM
no that's not the general motion a women should dress decently

a rapist desrves the punishment he/she recives

how you dress might be a factor but it's not a reason

NaBHaN
03-12-04, 03:23 AM
Even if a woman was walking naked in the street , men should never take it as a green light to rape her.. though she should be blamed as well.

Its always best to stay on the safe side and dress appropriately to avoid such things..and at least if it happened then she would know that she did all she can to prevent it.. but if she dressed provocatively and it happened then there is always a good chance that she would always feel guilty about it.. in a way.

HaYa
03-12-04, 03:29 AM
:eh: generalization again

i wish the guy who bangs his head was still around

:bomb:

Well thats what Seinfield said not me .

IRONY
03-12-04, 05:13 AM
look at the ratio of those wearing "tents" and those wearing revealing dresses....who gets harassed more?
so u still agree if she wears a tent she does get raped...so overall the rapist should zip up well..and leave the girls alone for god's sake how can it b her mistake... :rolleyes:

Arabian Princess
03-12-04, 12:47 PM
NO no one ask to be raped and the rapiest is guilty for whats his doing.

But, what we are discussing here .. is not wether the rapiest is guilty or not, its wether wearing decent outfits could stop the incident.

Well I think it always depends on the mentality of the rapiest. Some rape cases happened because the rapiest were aroused, some because they were drunk, some because they have psychological disorders.

So, it doesnt mean that wearing decent clothes would stop the rapiest, but its like how EQ explained .. it would means you took the means to protect yourself ..

Abs
03-12-04, 01:56 PM
If she gets raped "then its her fault for sure".

Lol for this single line, i got a red rep from someone who decided it was in his/her interest not to show their name? what fun?atleast i could have argued my point:D

Dr N
03-12-04, 09:49 PM
No sane women would ask to be raped!!!

There's absolutely no excuse for men to rape women. To me a man who enjoys raping other women is an animal, with no brains whatsoever, and is one of the most pathetic losers that would ever be found on this earth!

You see men harrassing women even if they dress decently. Ask any girl around here, they're all gonna agree on this. I'm not generalizing, but there are men out there who seem to have no other purpose in this world, who seem to have a complete lack of decency to respect other women.

At the same time, a woman should be looking after herself and dress up decently, otherwise, it's inevitable that a man would hit on her!

EarThQuaKe
04-12-04, 05:51 AM
No sane women would ask to be raped!!!

There's absolutely no excuse for men to rape women. To me a man who enjoys raping other women is an animal, with no brains whatsoever, and is one of the most pathetic losers that would ever be found on this earth!

le me rephrase part of your post.

No sane woman would disobey god !!!


There's absolutely no excuse for women to disobey god. To me a woman who enjoys disobeying god is an animal ,They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning). Ala3raf verse 179 with no brains whatsoever, and is one of the most pathetic losers that would ever be found on this earth!

This goes to men as well.

You see men harrassing women even if they dress decently. Ask any girl around here, they're all gonna agree on this. I'm not generalizing, but there are men out there who seem to have no other purpose in this world, who seem to have a complete lack of decency to respect other women.

At the same time, a woman should be looking after herself and dress up decently, otherwise, it's inevitable that a man would hit on her !

A problem is never one sided. All are contributers, but if they dont care about their safety, nobody will.

I agree, I hate some of the young men we have in our society. They have no respect & no decency, but this is the make of the society, which goes with the women who dont have any shame. I know we have so many great people from both genders in our society, but these people (disobeyers) just give me the creeps. :angry:

We need to tackle the problem from both sides rather than saying this & that. Why do u think allah bound women to wear hijab & other things?. Why did Allah forbid men to look at women who are not wearing what they were suppose to? Why did the prophet said that an eye commits zina, an ear commits zina and the nose commits zina.

I hope I didnt offend anyone in here. If you feel offended, then we can discuss this some more. :)

Pineapple Thief
04-12-04, 05:56 AM
Wisest statement in the whole thread.

As Blossom said, IS THERE ANY WOMAN WHO ASKS TO BE RAPED?

Men use that as an excuse.

God, I feel so angry when men try to make up excuses for their own faults and blame it on the woman. :scold:

I don't fu*king care what was she wearing. No woman asks to be raped.

of COURSE they dont ask to be raped. If its concensual its not called rape. Thats not the issue here guys. But if i were to walk around Oman in a pink tutu, I would get my *** kicked because people would get strange thoughts about me. If i were to wear a t-shirt insulting islam (istaghfurilla), same thing. Im not ASKING for it, but I should know the consequences. Women should know that some men are unstable (a high percentage). They should know that if they dress provocatively, then they should be ready for trouble.

Dont getr emotional here you guys, and stop applying it to yourselves. We have the right to wear what we want, but we have responsibilites. And we have to understand consequences.

Pineapple Thief
04-12-04, 05:57 AM
And NOBODY is justifying rape, stop seeing things in black and white guys. Its not my right, your right, its cause and effect.

Pineapple Thief
04-12-04, 06:05 AM
I notice the women here get extremely emotional about this. Its not personal, and no, its not invading your freedom to wear what you want (and I know most of you even agree that a women should dress decently). Ill list my views:

1) The rapist is always to blame because ultimately it is he who committed the act.
2) Men should have control over themselves.
3) So should women. Sadly both do not.
4) Therefore, we should be prepared for it.
5) We're all smart enough to know there are unstable people everywhere.
6) Therefore, we do our best to dress moderately. Most of us would agree on this point for religious reasons, so why not for this reason? Its not impending on your freedoms its a matter of safety. Prevention is better. Seatbelts in cars. Immunisation. NOBODY IS SAYING WEAR A TENT. People are saying 'look good but dont be excessively seductive, because theres no cause for that anyway and it will increase the chances of an unstable person looking your way.
7) The argument that 'tents' get raped too is ridiculous. Even people with seatbelts die in car accidents. HOWEVER, the seat belt increases your chance of surviving. Therefore, we wear a seatbelt. If you want to tie yourself to the seat with chains, thats your choice, but nobody is saying you have to.

I hope I have made my point.

Pineapple Thief
04-12-04, 06:16 AM
I agree with what AP said on the last page, very well written.

Heres a quote by another member on another thread. Read it, see if you agree (without applying it to this theead, then read again and apply to this thread. Do you still agree?

i think its wrong - women shouldnt get naked of course, i totally disagree with girls showing themselves off too much - but i also really disagree with them being FORCED to cover up, especially to the extent of burqa and no high heels. everybody is free to wear what they want, but they should know that if they dress provocatively they are partially responsible for any unwanted attention from males.

EarThQuaKe
04-12-04, 07:12 AM
I agree with what AP said on the last page, very well written. Heres a quote by another member on another thread. Read it, see if you agree (without applying it to this theead, then read again and apply to this thread. Do you still agree?

i think its wrong - women shouldnt get naked of course, i totally disagree with girls showing themselves off too much - but i also really disagree with them being FORCED to cover up, especially to the extent of burqa and no high heels. everybody is free to wear what they want, but they should know that if they dress provocatively they are partially responsible for any unwanted attention from males.


What does she mean by too much. Is this a new fatwa by fatamooo, where the prophet's words of a woman not shown anything except her hands and face is replaced by not showing too much. People will ask what exactly is too much .

About no high heels. Does she disagree with the quran.
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
{Annoor verse 31}

وَاللّهُ الْمُسْتَعَانُ عَلَى مَا تَصِفُونَ
And Allah it is Whose help is to be sought in that (predicament) which ye describe.
:angry:

Pineapple Thief
04-12-04, 07:37 AM
Dont be so critical earthquake. Shes not talking religiously: you know for a fact that most people dont follow that code of dressing, whether its right or not, people tend to do their own thing. The topic in question is about whether dressing improperly can be instigatory or what not. Thats the discussion here, not a religious thread.

EarThQuaKe
04-12-04, 07:54 AM
Dont be so critical earthquake. Shes not talking religiously: you know for a fact that most people dont follow that code of dressing, whether its right or not, people tend to do their own thing. The topic in question is about whether dressing improperly can be instigatory or what not. Thats the discussion here, not a religious thread.

It has been said so many times, A believer does not have the right to DISAGREE with god's comands, s/he has only the right to DISOBEY. If a person wants to disobey, so be it.

About religious talks and all of those things. Every single act you do and every single word you say is recorded. I like fatamooo and I have nothing against her, but coming with new FATWAS because she is not talking religiously, is (pardon me) a lame excuse.

If people are not dressing according to the islamic CODE, then its their problem not mine. This does not mean that we need to approve some of what they are doing be cause we are not talking RELIGIOUSLY.

CrazyReD
04-12-04, 08:25 AM
burqa3 was never part of islam it's a cultural thing

fatak
04-12-04, 08:38 AM
Rape.......I thought it isn't really a sex crime.......but a violent crime........

I could see how a man would be aroused by a very sexy outfit......revealing the soft sweet mouthwatering curves.......of womanhood........but in fact I think it7s another issue......more to do with his feeling of powerlessness......and loss of control.

He may try to compensate for this by abusing the woman.....who thru no fault of her own.....happens to be unlucky......to have contact with someone who is a mental case.

fatak

Orion
04-12-04, 09:37 PM
Even if a girl is scantly clad ... there is no excuses for sexual assault.

I don't see how some would justify it - you can't say she "asked for it" ... men have control over themselves!

fatamooo
04-12-04, 10:31 PM
When the issue of sexual harassment comes up and more seriously, rape, often a group of ppl will blame the victim for it. There's a story about a woman who got raped, her family's first words spoken to her after they knew were : What were you wearing?

If a woman walks around in a mini skirt, or tight, butt-clinging pants, or a low necked shirt revealing her breasts.. etc. Is she asking for a guy to harass her?

Should she have her cake and eat it too: she wears whatever she likes and is protected by moral (and legal) law that no one should attempt to challenge or hurt her?

If she prances around in sexy, revealing clothes does she have the right to complain that guys are leering at her?

No woman - and this is not a generalization, this is common sense - NO WOMAN, would be ASKING to get raped. There is no justification for a rapist, none whatsoever, other than he is a horny f***er who deserves to rot and burn in hell. How could a woman possibly WANT to be RAPED, when the term rape means FORCED sex?? How could someone want something that is being forced upon them against their will? That's what we call an oxymoron.

Maybe if a woman was all sexed up, that might mean that she herself is horny and wants to get with a guy, but never to get raped.

And the thing about girls taking the blame: One thing I learned, is that girls usually feel partially guilty about it anyways, and people know that - and want to take advantage of that, so they build on that feeling of blame until the girl feels like it was entirely her fault. It's happened before so many times, and I can vouch for that. People can REALLY suck sometimes.

The brain.
04-12-04, 11:44 PM
Even if a girl is scantly clad ... there is no excuses for sexual assault.

I don't see how some would justify it - you can't say she "asked for it" ... men have control over themselves!

I agree …the word ‘ask’ is coming from the rapist asking for a desire …she refuses as we assume and that went to Rape ….otherwise it will never be ‘ reported ‘ as a rape case anyhow.
When we talk about the ‘prevention’ and the girl should take all measures prior stepping out alone and expressing whatever reveals her attractive body…by doing so, she reflecting the careless part about consequence…. Sure that not enough reason to justify the crime…. Countries nowadays r open to each other and tourism brings new things ….. religiously speaking women been ordered for ‘ sitr’ as a prevention… but again which one wins the other religion or the existing habits within the community…

Locally speaking .how many cases are reported …few…. Why !! the most reason is ‘ reputation’ and ppl doesn’t want to make one problem doubled ‘ both girl and reputation’… even in West ‘ reputation’ is money and there is for both sides …ask Clintoon..lol .

The Q: why we consider the ‘reputation’ late…. !! :angry:


If the girl question herself.. : why me ! .is my cloths.. is it my attraction ..is it my careless of understanding the environment around me … do I have my gun with me ‘ in the make up hand bag’…. Or some kind of defensive spray…lol... :hmm:
I have seen some programs talking about the issue.. and statistics said that most of the time the rapist prior his act he made lots of observes on that particular girl till the chance come out.. :eh:

I still confident blaming the girl on this issue will not stop the problem at all.. bas I practicing more karateeeh will be much beneficial…. :help:

Pineapple Thief
05-12-04, 12:48 AM
You know none of you want to see the point of the thread, you're just looking at the title and assuming you know exactly what the thread is about. Its not worth continuing this discussion any longer.

OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE RAPED. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

*sigh*

Enigma
05-12-04, 01:47 AM
You know none of you want to see the point of the thread, you're just looking at the title and assuming you know exactly what the thread is about. Its not worth continuing this discussion any longer.

OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE RAPED. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE!

*sigh*
Exactly lol..

In my discussion I headed more towards sexual harassment for a girl who is dressed provacatively. I just mentioned rape in the beginning but my questions were about the leering, and taunting.. you know, guys whistling, yelling, chasing the girl..

Orion
05-12-04, 03:25 AM
When the issue of sexual harassment comes up and more seriously, rape, often a group of ppl will blame the victim for it. There's a story about a woman who got raped, her family's first words spoken to her after they knew were : What were you wearing?

....

If a woman walks around in a mini skirt, or tight, butt-clinging pants, or a low necked shirt revealing her breasts.. etc. Is she asking for a guy to harass her?


Your first post explicitly used rape as an example ... and ended with harassment.

At the end of the day - there is no excuse for it. At the same time, even in the West, a girl who wears certain kind of clothe still garners attention.

So it is pretty universal - still there is no excuse any sort of sexual harrassment or worse.

Arab men are pretty much repressed as much as Arab women (but in different ways) the leering/taunts say more about society as a whole than it does about what a woman chooses to wear.

:50bz:

Sleyum
05-12-04, 09:57 AM
There is no doubt at all if a Women expose her body parts.. Naturally she is asking for a trouble. and that means sending a Message to whoever will be the Raper that I am desperate needs to be Raped..

HaYa
05-12-04, 11:59 AM
There is no doubt at all if a Women expose her body parts.. Naturally she is asking for a trouble. and that means sending a Message to whoever will be the Raper that I am desperate needs to be Raped..

This is the most inequitable comment in this thread.

Sleyum
05-12-04, 01:54 PM
This is the most inequitable comment in this thread.

Yes HaYa I was expecting such a comments and even more from Others..
The reason to write so, We as Muslims.. Women are not suppose to expose their body only Hands and face, and they are not allowed to wear any tight dress which shows the shape of their Body Right!!.

Hopes you got the message.......... If Not then if you try to make any survey you will never find and Raped Women who wears decent dresses. 99% of the raped women are those who have exposed their Body, their Beauty. Women are like Products.. you make such a product then you need to find the means of selling them and that goes through good Adv. So Those Women who Expose themself they are Simply asking for a Trouble and selling their own beauty. and that goes into being Raped. Now who will you blame???

fatamooo
05-12-04, 08:27 PM
It has been said so many times, A believer does not have the right to DISAGREE with god's comands, s/he has only the right to DISOBEY. If a person wants to disobey, so be it.

About religious talks and all of those things. Every single act you do and every single word you say is recorded. I like fatamooo and I have nothing against her, but coming with new FATWAS because she is not talking religiously, is (pardon me) a lame excuse.

If people are not dressing according to the islamic CODE, then its their problem not mine. This does not mean that we need to approve some of what they are doing be cause we are not talking RELIGIOUSLY.


errr... sorry earthquake i think you got the wrong idea from that quote of mine. i was not in any way trying to come up with a new fatwa - i don't have that kind of knowledge really. i was just expressing my personal opinion in a realistic way. i used to post idealistic opinions but we are living in a world with many unpleasant realities that we should face completely. in an ideal world, all the women would be protected and separated from all the men, and would only ever be touched by their husbands. that is NOT the case in this world, and just because i realise that doesn't mean i am forsaking my own morals and principles. if i let this kind of stuff get to me, i would go mad!!

i can't say anything about the way a woman dresses, because its her body and her life, if she wants to cover up, all the better for her, but if she doesn't, what does that have to do with me? but it is disturbing to see a woman walking around in really revealing clothes - well to me at least.

fatamooo
05-12-04, 08:36 PM
Exactly lol..

In my discussion I headed more towards sexual harassment for a girl who is dressed provacatively. I just mentioned rape in the beginning but my questions were about the leering, and taunting.. you know, guys whistling, yelling, chasing the girl..

sorry we went off topic :o

anyways to tell you the truth - and the girls posting here should probably speak from personal experience, so we can compare - it matters ZILCH what a girl is wearing (in most arab countries) because she will ALWAYS get harassed. this is speaking from personal experience. When I went to Dubai recently, my mum got me a 3abaya with her and a hijab and told me not to take it off when i go out otherwise i would get bugged by the guys there like the last time i went... when i arrived at dubai we went to wafi city - and two minutes after walking in - COMPLETELY covered up - this immature group of guys were standing there with their stupid camera phones trying to take a pic of me!! they saw that i noticed them and got embarrassed and so just went to plan B: old fashioned 'PLEASE gimme your number i BEG YOU' - and this happened for most of my stay in dubai. Oman is pretty much the same, if not worse. Syria was the worst I ever saw in my LIFE :os

I'm not saying this to say that it's OK for women to walk around scantily clad,but just as a warning: as long as you're female and you're in the khaleej, you will have to put up with that, just learn to ignore it though. stupid boys - when will they ever learn?!

Pineapple Thief
05-12-04, 10:20 PM
We as Muslims.. Women are not suppose to expose their body only Hands and face, and they are not allowed to wear any tight dress which shows the shape of their Body Right!!.


Men are not allowed to run around at night grabbing women who arent their wifes, unzip (of lift the dishdasha, whatever is easier to visualise), reveal their manhoods (manhoods? menhood?), and proceed to use it on an unwilling stranger. Even if she is scantilly clad.


Istaghfirullah.

Dr N
06-12-04, 05:30 PM
No man has the right to harrass a woman, no matter what she's wearing. Earthquake, what about those women who dress according to the islamic code? Men, especially around here have no respect to anything. They just see a girl, and begin acting like animals, I swear, no sane human being would do that low to go around giving women a hard time.

No matter what a girl is wearing (which is her own business btw), a man is supposed to respect anyone who walks around, regardless of what she's wearing, or how much make up she has on her face, they still have to respect. Period!

EarThQuaKe
06-12-04, 05:42 PM
No man has the right to harrass a woman, no matter what she's wearing. Earthquake, what about those women who dress according to the islamic code? Men, especially around here have no respect to anything. They just see a girl, and begin acting like animals, I swear, no sane human being would do that low to go around giving women a hard time.

No matter what a girl is wearing (which is her own business btw), a man is supposed to respect anyone who walks around, regardless of what she's wearing, or how much make up she has on her face, they still have to respect. Period!

Enigma was talking about the undecent ladies.

The problem is shared between both genders and you can see this in my replies. men in oman are worse than women and thats a fact. Even if a woman is not wearing anything at all, no one has the right to touch her.

I am talking about the ladies who wear revealing cloths. They asked for it for sure. Every woman in oman get harrassed by men, but women who obey islam dont get that much attention from the redicilous men we have. Those "dogs" are looking for an easy target that will offer less resistance.

I am tired of repeating myself. Am I that bad in explaining my ideas. :(

The brain.
06-12-04, 07:44 PM
I am tired of repeating myself. Am I that bad in explaining my ideas. :(

aboyee Fahmeenak…

They don’t wana be raped…we understand that …. They wana to expose wrongly in a community that not familiar with way they wearing ..there is TAX to be paid here … if u wana custom ur imported products u have to pay…..but if ur product is from the local source u don’t need to….

*NK 105*
08-12-04, 11:30 PM
yeah i guess she asked for it by dressing 2 sexy..

haha someone just badrep.'d me for that!