A couple of girls and I were talking about how some Omani guys marry from outside the country (Americans, British, Filipino, Indian... etc). I remembered something from the movie Save The Last Dance, where Julia Stiles character gets told off for taking one of the few good black guys in the town, his sister basically said to her that she was on their turf, and should back away, leaving him for the desperate black women who were engulfed in a town with drug dealers & murderers.

But anyway, one of the girls said that 'Omani guys don't want what they have here in Oman, they are not satisfied. They want someone from outside even if she is from a lower class like a Flipino!'.

Then there's the fact that we have a couple laws her in the country, it being only legal to marry a non-omani for certain reasons. And in Emirates I've heard that when a local guy marries a local girl they get some sort of gift from the government?

I have a few questions:

When an Omani guy, marries someone most Omanis are used to being of (lower class) than them like a Flipino for example, do you consider it a bad thing?

Why is there so much encouragement and rules to marry a local in the Gulf and esp. in Oman?

When an Omani guy, marries someone most Omanis are used to being of (lower class) than them like a Flipino for example, do you consider it a bad thing?

No, I dont care about class. when I view the issue I view the issue of marring a forigners point of view.

Why is there so much encouragement and rules to marry a local in the Gulf and esp. in Oman?

am not aginst it .. but then cultural restrictions for Omani females to marry outsiders is more than Omani males. So, if the door was opened, alot of people would go marry outsiders and would leave local girls un married. Its already a huge problem in UAE and this is why they brought up the gift thing & rules restricting it.

Little correction: rare they marry Filippinas or Moroccans, just keep them as gf if you know what i mean.

Little correction: rare they marry Filippinas or Moroccans, just keep them as gf if you know what i mean.
Yeah I know. But I'm talking about when it DOES happen. I've heard of a couple of cases myself and I don't even know that many ppl here :os

Salamz,

I have a say in this. I will write when I reach home. I need a (bilingual) keyboard.


Cheers..

Lower class like Filipino?! Wtf?! :lift:

I'd have slapped that loud mouth friend of yours, had I been present when she said that!

Lower class like Filipino?! Wtf?! :lift:

I'd have slapped that loud mouth friend of yours, had I been present when she said that!


Shinoda LP Im proud of you. Keep it up. :)

Salam,

"تنكح المرأة لأربع: لمالها لجمالها لحسبها ولنسبها، فاظفر بذات الدين تربت يداك"
حديث شريف

That's a 7adeeth, the prophet explaining that a girl is wed for four: Wealth (Money), beauty, position in the society & for her family tribe. He then said to choose the one with the religion (Islam). For us to men, we should know beauty, wealth & all of what mentioned aboce are only temporary. One day all of it might disappear. They are not certain.

I am not against any culture, but I'm attached to my culture & I would only marry one & I want that one to be a good muslim & god fearing Omani girl.

UAE is encouraging its people to marry locals & they motivates them by rewarding them.
Oman is punishing those omani's who marry non-omani's before obtaining the marriage permit. To obtain the permit is not easy at all.

One of the reasons an omani may get a permit to marry a non-omani if (S)he has any disability.
Another reason an omani male may get the permit if his first wife is an omani & he wants to have a non-omani 2nd wife.
Another reason, if he or she is over 35 years old.

It is easier to get the permit if an omani wants to marry an arab, & it is much easier to obtain the permit if the girl or the boy is from the Gulf countries. That means it is very hard to marry from non-arabs especially the non-muslims.

I understand why it is made so hard for omani's to marry from abroad. Our poulation is small & if the government don't put restrictions on this kind of marriage, most men will end-up marrying non-locals, especially with the current situations of high dowries within Oman & the neighbour countries. This is a disadvantage for Oman. If omani's marry non-omani's the children will be half-caste. This will effect the omani culture & the customs in the future. This is a wise thinking of HM.

We already have a big number of unmarried females in Oman. It will be worse if it's allowed for omani males to marry a non-omani's. It would be nice if our government reward those who marry locals, not just focusing on punishing those who marry non-omani's without obtaining the permit.

Cheers..

Im not against guys marrying non-local girls, as long as its for the right reasons! Not simply because hes blonde and hes always wanted a blonde chick, etc. Unfortunately its very difficult to define what the 'right reasons' are, etc. and to trust guys in general lol :p

I dont know the rules quite so well, what about an omani girl marrying a foreign guy? Is that allowed? Under what circumstances, if it all? And what are your opinions? (not to deviate from the original thread of course)

Salamz,

Those rules are applied to both genders. So for not valid reasons it is not allowed. Reasons are specified by the Ministry of Interior-devision of: Organising Overseas Marriages.
I am not against marrying non-locals, due to good reasons I prefer Omani's. I don't want to sound racist, but I personally will never think of marrying abroad while I know I can find the best for myself in my Oman. In that way, I can also avoid many clashes. If we look at those omani males who previously married to foreigners, how many of them had a successful marriages. what are the reasons behind thier marriages failure?
If an omani girl gets married to a non-local, he might want to take her abroad & she will have to leave her family. I am not against it. It's just my point of view. They could be comfortable with it, but not all will find this easy.

Out of millions we all are going to marry one girl, can't we find our one other halves in our own country?

Cheers..

Out of millions we all are going to marry one girl, can't we find our one other halves in our own country?

Cheers..

Haven't you heard of the magical word called love. It's all to do with love. :love:

Lower class like Filipino?! Wtf?! :lift:

I'd have slapped that loud mouth friend of yours, had I been present when she said that!
I agree with you brother, how could some one comment such irresponsible and inhuman comment to a human being?
I am shamed.
In the realm of Allah/God what ever you say, all human are equal. They differ in quality manner and purity not the hell out of class things.

Lower class like Filipino?! Wtf?! :lift:

my thoughts exactly! :os

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anyways... I see nothing wrong with it..as long as its a 'marriage' . Love doesnt know any class , color or whatever , and If marrying a foriegner makes the guy happy then he should go for it.. why should anyone be limited to whom he/she is could marry? if there is nothing wrong with it..and they're compatible ( taking into consideration religion and all ) then no one should say no to them being together.

Does there have any Omani girl who married a foreigner and living in Oman happily?
I know case Women are treated differently in Muslim world.

Said logics:
When a man marries foreign women, the woman dissolves in the men's culture.
When a woman marries a foreigner Culture (and some case Religion) dies with them.:D

Haven't you heard of the magical word called love. It's all to do with love. :love:

Salam,

Have you heard of people who fell in love with wrong persons?

I just gave my opinion. I don't interfere with anyone's life. If you fell in love with a foreigner & your government makes it a problem. Ask them if they have ever heard of word love. May be it's gonna help!


Cheers..

well ,, ya ,,, here our country encourage guys to marry local girls by giving amount of money to help ,,,, and they have a very strick rules when guys wana marry outsider ,,, and its also work for girls ,,, where i found it more strick for girls ,,,

i dona mind this kind of marrige ,,, but there should be kind of equialty in this specially in the culture ,,like Gulf countries ,,, which make it easy to understand and doesnt have that different ,,,

but other cultures with all my respects ae different of our ,,, in many sides specially traditional side

They should help, give gifts and all, but not make it illegal! That's not even giving basic human rights to a person, to marry whom they wish!

Basically encourage the locals to marry locals, but it should not be illegal to marry a foreign person!

First off, I think a government should play no role at all in deciding who a citizen should marry. Sure enough there could be legal issues to be taken care of when a citizen marries someone of another country, but it is not right on any country's part to ban such marriage and deem them illegal. The very country that most Arabs hate (US of A) has a MUCH more leniant system when it comes ot such marriages.

They should help, give gifts and all, but not make it illegal! That's not even giving basic human rights to a person, to marry whom they wish!

Basically encourage the locals to marry locals, but it should not be illegal to marry a foreign person!

What gives the government the right to decide the personal rights of any people to live and love as they wish.........?

They treat them like children......who don't know better.......especially the totally unequal attitude towards women.......allowing men to marry non Omanis but NOT for women.......

Very very BACKWARD thinking.......is everyone gonna end up marrying their cousins?????

People should have freedom of choice.......period.

fatak

Very very BACKWARD thinking.......is everyone gonna end up marrying their cousins?????

Respect ur thought but not the whole of Oman are cuzns...I agree they should have a freedom of choice but u flew a bit out of subject who said anything abt cuzns???

From what I hear........a lot of girls are encouraged.....or pressured to marry their cousins......perhaps less so then in Muscat but in the interior it's quite common......to have these arranged marriages.....Is that true?

Something to do with......keeping the tribe alive and well......

I asked this Omani guy......one time about it......and he told me he would never marry an Omani girl......I was very surprised, and asked why......

He just looked at me and said......"Don't even think about it, you will regret it"...........and laughed, but with a kind of sadness.......

Why are some Omani guys sodown on Omani women?

fatak

What gives the government the right to decide the personal rights of any people to live and love as they wish.........?

They treat them like children......who don't know better.......especially the totally unequal attitude towards women.......allowing men to marry non Omanis but NOT for women.......

Very very BACKWARD thinking.......is everyone gonna end up marrying their cousins?????

People should have freedom of choice.......period.

fatak

Why are you quoting me? Are you criticising me? :think: coz you give no indication of agreeing with me!

Why are you quoting me? Are you criticising me? :think: coz you give no indication of agreeing with me!

I am 100% agreeing with you......the government has no right to make it illegal.......plus I am proposing marriage......if you can take VISA for the mehr, I am cool.

Wanna boogie ?

fatak

They treat them like children......who don't know better.......especially the totally unequal attitude towards women.......allowing men to marry non Omanis but NOT for women.......

Very very BACKWARD thinking.......is everyone gonna end up marrying their cousins?????
First, the rule is equal to both males and females.
No one is treating no one as children, when a problem apears who are the first run to get help from?? the government! so why not allow them to have some set of rules inorder to stop problems from happening!!

This rule started because many omains used to go out of the country and marry women from india, africa, iran and so. The problem is, every now and then a woman would go to the embassy with a bunch of kids claiming that those kids come from an Omani father who left them. To restrict that, the government stopped marrying a forigner unless they got a permit.

I agree its not something that encouragable, but I also think there are lots of benefits that comes out of this rule. Dont see it as an indivual thing, see it from the bigger picture.

my thoughts exactly! :os

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anyways... I see nothing wrong with it..as long as its a 'marriage' . Love doesnt know any class , color or whatever , and If marrying a foriegner makes the guy happy then he should go for it.. why should anyone be limited to whom he/she is could marry? if there is nothing wrong with it..and they're compatible ( taking into consideration religion and all ) then no one should say no to them being together.


That pretty much sums it up ;)

I dont know the rules quite so well, what about an omani girl marrying a foreign guy? Is that allowed? Under what circumstances, if it all? And what are your opinions? well for a muslim to marry another muslim is fine (obviously) but for women.. its not good for her to marry a foreigner of different beliefs, as the offspring would follow the fathers belief, and not that of the mothers..

ArbyI agree its not something that encouragable, but I also think there are lots of benefits that comes out of this rule. Dont see it as an indivual thing, see it from the bigger picture.

which is what ?

Haya,

looking the society itself (without the rule) its easier for men to marry a forign woman than a woman doing so, so if men married forigners we would have lots of unmarried locals, this could create social problems!

Second, when a divorce happen betw two locals, the mom and the dad stay at the same country. But if it happened betw a forigner and local .. one would go back to thier country. This could create problems for the kids.

You see, when I said there are benefits, am talking community and socity wise.. its easy for every person to claim they are going towards thier rights, but every action he takes would go and have its effect on the society. A citizen would say, its not my responsibilty to take care of the society .. but the govt is responsible and so one of the soloutions is set up this rule.

Haya,

looking the society itself (without the rule) its easier for men to marry a forign woman than a woman doing so, so if men married forigners we would have lots of unmarried locals, this could create social problems!

Second, when a divorce happen betw two locals, the mom and the dad stay at the same country. But if it happened betw a forigner and local .. one would go back to thier country. This could create problems for the kids.

You see, when I said there are benefits, am talking community and socity wise.. its easy for every person to claim they are going towards thier rights, but every action he takes would go and have its effect on the society. A citizen would say, its not my responsibilty to take care of the society .. but the govt is responsible and so one of the soloutions is set up this rule.

With all due respect......I think your mentaity is typical of tribe mentality.....what is good for the tribe must take preverlance over what in fact is happening in the society.....

No one considers what one truly feels.......compared to towing the line...with the tribe......

You see the negative to growth and change......

I sometimes wonder why Arabs are so closed minded and afraid of change......as if they must maintain many faces for others to see.....
And their true selves weep within......

I can only feel pity that love goes unfilled. Life is so short..........why should happiness be denied???

Somebody slap me...I think I am getting way too deep for this sabla.....

fatak

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With all due respect......I think your mentaity is typical of tribe mentality.....what is good for the tribe must take preverlance over what in fact is happening in the society.....


2:

No one considers what one truly feels.......compared to towing the line...with the tribe......


3:

You see the negative to growth and change......


4:

I sometimes wonder why Arabs are so closed minded and afraid of change......as if they must maintain many faces for others to see.....
And their true selves weep within......


5:

I can only feel pity that love goes unfilled. Life is so short..........why should happiness be denied???

6:

Somebody slap me...I think I am getting way too deep for this sabla.....

fatak


all logic you've got there fatak. and my reactions to to the above points and what has been said thus far follows:


without going out of the point being discussed, i would like to remind ourselves that the topic is about Omanis v marriage to a foreigner. It 'WAS' intended to be seen as a rule to curb foreign marriage but the rules were founded in order to PROTECT foreign girls married to Omanis and i MUST emphasise 'irresponsible-Omanis' who found it easy to get themselves a foreign girl as a result of higher moohoor back in Oman and tribalism :D coupled with lack of finding attractive woman in every respect. We are talking about the abuse of lack of 'regulation for such marriages' in the early 70s. Prior to the introduction of such regulations, it was just like 'buying' from outside the country and bring it home. I am sorry for the comparison :angel:


Now, my views to the points raised by U:

1:

Yes you are correct. That is the mentality indeed. Alas ! how false it is !
It seems the reaction contained therein is of a person whose own conduct is regulated by a closed society. Paranoic so 2speak

2:

2&3 you've hit the nail on the head as they say so ? 2speak


4:

Doesn't that apply to ALL semitic beobles ? Again your observation is correct


5:

You said 'love' ? love when it comes to marriage issue, in many families in Oman is never thought of. Love in just beggining to enchroach the Omani society. Prior to 1970-AD, all marriages in 'many families' were arranged and it was always expected non-of-the couple knew each other. Loving a woman was,and perhaps to extent at this point in time, OUT-of kuwaition. Marriage therefore in Omani society was / is a necessity as a 'tool' or means of
reproduction and you ought not to expect much from a woman you marry but rather 'buy' with that much amount of good, perhaps hard-earned,
R.Os.


I am NOT going to answer your 'silly' kuwaition about "happiness" what happiness ? There is no happiness expected from a woman you buy for yourself. Owning one is sufficient for you to be happy. You'd be more happier with a clean (?) appearance and if you could afford a petit ador spray if not you could spray yourself with DDT and nobody would notice the difference.


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To the guy who talked about Class i think he is deep :zzz: A Phillipino "LOWER" class ? I have no comment but Phillipinos are decent and CLEAAAAAAN of the Cleanest.



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With all due respect......I think your mentaity is typical of tribe mentality.....what is good for the tribe must take preverlance over what in fact is happening in the society.....

which is a bad thing?? I really cant see that!!
In fact, I think if everyone thought of the society betterment over thier personal betterment, the society would actually advance!


You see the negative to growth and change......
thats totally wrong, I just like to weight the change and think before we go into a step that could be good for a few, but cause harm to the majority!

I sometimes wonder why Arabs are so closed minded and afraid of change......as if they must maintain many faces for others to see.....
who isnt afraid of change?!!! I studied change management from American books after all!!
what do you mean close minded? if by that you mean accepting values that would change the society to the worse, then thank you .. am happy being close minded!

I can only feel pity that love goes unfilled. Life is so short..........why should happiness be denied???

who told you love in arabia and happiness is denied?!! check the arabs love stories, love poems and so on .. as a matter of fact, the arabic language has many words that explan love.
but again, it always depends on what do you mean by love!! ;)

first of all its very stupid to call someone "lower class", why r they called so? bcoz there r many housemaids of those nationality in Oman?

ok, the GCC countries became rich few decades ago, and they started....ok just forget it...

back to the topic, i think the person can marry anyone he/she wants, thats my opinion...

maybe ppl should think "WHY SO MANY OMANI MEN PREFER TO MARRY FROM OUTSIDE"??

i have alot to say but the net is CRAP so i think 10 times b4 opening the forum...

salaam all...

No one is considered of lower class, I don't believe in that statement. I don't know what's the big fuss with marrying someone of a different country if it was for the right reasons, and not for going for outside beauty only, and even there, I do believe that it's a personal choice that a person can make, and no one has the right to tell you whom you should and shouldn't marry.

Some of these laws need to be modified to be honest with you, there should be more freedom when it comes to this.

ok, the GCC countries became rich few decades ago, and they started....ok just forget it...This is off topic, but let me put in perspective the GCC financial status.

Microsoft (one company) paid 33.5 billion dollars divedends to its stock holders today. This is ONE COMPANY ... and these are divedend payments alone not the value of this ONE COMPANY!

Oman GDP last year was 37.5 billion

Back on topic ... as long as you think "tribal" ... you will discriminate.

as long as you think "tribal" ... you will discriminate.

and I could say, as long as you think indiviualy you are losing the society values?!!!

Anyway, we wont come to a common ground coz am thinking about the issue from the society point of view, and you guys are thinking about it indiviually!

salam all..

u know what guys how can some one who claims that they are human and belive in human equality say that any race other that ours is better or of a lower class... that is just truelly wrong ..... just becose there are those who are misfortunate or dont have the luxuries that some not all of us do does not make anyone of a lower class that another....

as for marraige it is naseeb fate destiny...and just for the auther of the topic ... i am a female (omani at also) and i choose to marry a non omani and a non arab but a muslim and this just for information was arranged not love i met him and he is wonderful....(i could say a lot more ) i think i will keep the rest of my opinion to myself ... and when i mentioned to ppl or they asked me where he was from and i told them they had that same attitude.... well u know something i am sick of all of this bs that ppl go on about and oh he isnt even a relative ..... as for the government they have there reasons and i respect that they do what they feel is the best in the interest of the country ......

tell me has anyone before slagging guys in marrying outsider wondered why dont u think that the girls family as too much maher and of everything else in many cases... also that ppl should at least have obligatory blood tests before marrying cousins hasnt anyone woken up from the high rate of birth deformaties that exisit in the country.....

i will miss oman though in a few months i will leave but will always come back

Salam,

Almost everyone sounded the same here, good approach. I personally agree very much with AP. Very wise & matured thoughts. I have nothing to add in her words.

The government is doing for the betterment of its citizens as JJ stated. That's true.
We shouldn't consider only love as a measure of marriage. Love will come after marriage. There are things that are more important than love before marriage. If the person you love turns out to be a criminal, a killer. Or he smokes, drinks or a non-believer (Kafir) Here the times you brain will function & differenciate what's right to be done & what's wrong to be avoided. But when the person falls in love with someone with bad attitudes & can't change that person coz already fell in love. This is what is called blind love.
Read about the greatest love in history of humanity. The love between the Prophet & his first wife Sayyida Khadija.

Cheers..

Ap......said......"who isnt afraid of change?!!! I studied change management from American books after all!!
what do you mean close minded? if by that you mean accepting values that would change the society to the worse, then thank you .. am happy being close minded!"


Fair enough.........but most societies are undergoing changes in their social status.......especially in Oman where you have such a large population of foreign workers.....it reminds me of in Germany in the 70's.....with the Turkish guest workers.....the Germans looked down on them, and considered any marriage between them as "impure"........and degrading the pureness of German blood.

I remember hearing about some Turkish girls being beaten by their brothers for talking to NON Turkish guys......because in actual life, their was some serious attraction between these dark and mysterious ladies.....and the blond hair blue eyed German lads....and I myself was threatened many times by Turks.....

Of course......traditions are always being challenged.......because traditionally a WOMAN'S role is to obey her family's wishes......and of course many times the marriages are simply for the benefit of the family's social face.......women endure it.....what other options does she have?

No doubt.....having all the family members on the same page.....is an advantage in some ways.......but at what price? Why is their no respect for some who want to expand their horizons.......

Society is made up of individuals.....

PS..Read about the greatest love in history of humanity. The love between the Prophet & his first wife Sayyida Khadija.

I disagree.....for westerners, it would be "Romeo and Juliet"....a classic.


fatak

But anyway, one of the girls said that 'Omani guys don't want what they have here in Oman, they are not satisfied. They want someone from outside even if she is from a lower class like a Flipino!'.
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Enigma
I think your friends she is out of her Mind..
How could she say Philipino are lower class, Are we Omanis better than any other Nationalities?? Tell your friends to Re-Visit Her Religion we are not suppose to segregate people, We have Problems about Tribelism in Oman and Now we see others as Lower Class. Let me remind one thing. Far East Women are much Better and well displine more than any Omanis Girls. They Respect their husbands, Listen to them, Knows how to bring up children, Less demands.. if not due to the Tough Laws in Oman. Personel I would never dreamed to Marry an Omani I would Simply Go Foreigners :hyper: :p But what to do we have to stay phut with the laws of the Land :weep: :weep:

Betterment for society…who can judge that.. :think: is really the intention of the regulation is the control the problems resulting of too many males going to marry from other countries which reduces the chances of our beloved girls… :angel:

I agree on the chance that the boys getting marry to outsider is more due to their incomes and their exposure and travelling outside…plus their extensive of relationships inside..

Bas..I don’t really stand with this law and current restrictions….cus on daily basis I met many of whom has the this marriage done and his wife coming and going through the ‘ Visa’ extension…. :o

And remember this law is not applicable for ‘ waaw’ ppl…. So why we keep on something that’s we know its already broken on every single day….

Plus the marriage from outside it not 7araam…lol.. and I state this just for some ppl who will debate and correlate what I said with for example the ‘ drug’…the regulations forbidden this but still ppl broke the rule.. :shy:



Just to be fair with this law …this what I know… it allowed for whom over 40 years old and they to submit letters from their sheikhs than they been proposed and rejected 3 times by Omani females or their parents… how degrading…!!
This as a joke remind me with ‘insurance’ policy that when u make car accident, u have to go for 3 carages and get the minimum cost…lol..


Marrying is a destiny and its ‘ Nassseb’.at the end of the day …. and should not be control by such regulation… wala moooh

I am not against any culture, but I'm attached to my culture & I would only marry one & I want that one to be a good muslim & god fearing Omani girl.Who said that you can't find even a better muslim and God fearing girl who is not Omani?
One of the reasons an omani may get a permit to marry a non-omani if (S)he has any disability.
Another reason an omani male may get the permit if his first wife is an omani & he wants to have a non-omani 2nd wife.
Another reason, if he or she is over 35 years old.My husband and I didn't have any of the above when we wanted to get married. I believe that you forgot to add that a permit can be given when an Omani falls in love with a foreigner. It might take years to get the permission, but 'love' is a strong valid reason too!

If omani's marry non-omani's the children will be half-caste. This will effect the omani culture & the customs in the future. I found this comment slightly insulting for any non-Omani (like me) who ended up marrying one of your people!

Tell me where is the shame of children being half-caste? Are my children less than the ones coming from a 'pure' Omani couple?

On the contrary there is no better mixture then when two different nationalities match. With all my respect for the people of this country, did you ever ask yourself why all the Omanis look alike or why it is so hard to find an exotic or good looking man or women here?

If omani's marry non-omani's the children will be half-caste. This will effect the omani culture & the customs in the future.[/unquote]

I found this comment slightly insulting for any non-Omani (like me) who ended up marrying one of your people!

Tell me where is the shame of children being half-caste? On the contrary there is no better mixture then when two different nationalities match. With all my respect for the people of this country, did you ever ask yourself why all the Omanis look alike or why it is so hard to find an exotic or good looking man or women here?

Agreed with x-press
the guy is totaly out of this world... and doesnt really know what he is talking about..

The first Family in Oman got marriage with many nationalities.. and so are many Arab Omanis who went across the world and intermarriage, and to be honest their children are among the best here in Oman, Educational wise, Displine/ Intergence/ Honest/ the list is big

We already have a big number of unmarried females in Oman. It will be worse if it's allowed for omani males to marry a non-omani's. Allowing males to marry foreigners will not make things necessarily worst for the local women.

Did you ever think that this law could also be applicable for the Omani women themselves too and that they could also have the choice (like their men) to marry anyone else in the world? Isn't this option wider than strictly limiting a nation to one nationality only?

What is better: to keep a nation to itself to preserve the 'culture' and this with thousand of young women who will probably remain unmarried or in an unsatisfactory marriage,...or to blend that nation and give these young (and old) women a chance to wed, even if this mixed bond might cause unavoidable problems, as it is seen by all couples all over the world?

Did you ever think that this law could also be applicable for the Omani women themselves too and that they could also have the choice (like their men) to marry anyone else in the world? Isn't this option wider than strictly limiting a nation to one nationality only?

Dear XP, even if the government law was applicable to omani females, the cultural law isnt. Its 100 times harder for a female to get the acceptence from her parent to marry a forigner.

I said, I am not aginst the marraige of forigners, but I also understand that there are problems that come with it if it was done extensivly. looking at UAE is an exmple. It was totally allowed to marry forigners, and now only (less then 10 years back) when they started having these restriction. They came with a conclusion that our society still doesnt accept that marraige and other consequences could affect the society.

Betterment for society…who can judge that.. is really the intention of the regulation is the control the problems resulting of too many males going to marry from other countries which reduces the chances of our beloved girls

I certainly doesnt care about thier intention, I care about how the law affects the society.

The brain, with or without wasta, marrying a forigner is much easier than how it was before. It used to go to back to HM to get the approval and now its with the minister, I am sure after a while it will only be a department in the interior ministry :)

Tell me where is the shame of children being half-caste? Are my children less than the ones coming from a 'pure' Omani couple?

Both my parents are Omani, but I definitely agree with you X-Press what's so great abt being completely Omani anyway? Why are Omanis much better than other nationalities? Not at all.



On the contrary there is no better mixture then when two different nationalities match.

Hear hear! Children have strong genes. :)


and so are many Arab Omanis who went across the world and intermarriage, and to be honest their children are among the best here in Oman, Educational wise, Displine/ Intergence/ Honest/ the list is big

I am really enjoying this thread. :cute:

i am a female (omani at also) and i choose to marry a non omani and a non arab but a muslim and this just for information was arranged not love i met him and he is wonderful....(i could say a lot more )

Mashallah this is so romantic :love: and it was arranged.... you are so courageous :heart: , for he isn't even an Arab .... JJ, I love hearing romantic stories, mind if I PM you? :D Inshallah you'll be very happy. :)

first i would like to say that one of my best, closest friend is half-filipino, half-omani, and so i find that comment abt filipinos extremely offensive, and i wish people would just STOP thinking like that. there is no such thing as a race of people being low class, the only way you can be low class is if you ACT low class; rude, inconsiderate, selfish, arrogant - and that comment is low class to me :os

anyways about marrying 'outsiders' i don't see anything wrong with that, as long as they have an agreement beforehand on how they want to raise their children and abt their lifestyles. I wasn't aware of any laws restricting people from marrying foreigners, but I do remember reading an article a long time ago about the high level of unmarried UAE women due to the fact that the men were marrying foreign women.

I think the government has every right to be worried about that, but restricting the people to only marrying from a certain group won't help things. You can't force someone to choose from a small group of people - what if the person that you wanna marry isn't the same nationality as you? so what?

Many of my friends are half-omani or half-arab, and they are just as good if not better than full arabs/omanis, because at least they aren't narrowminded about these things. i don't quite understand why people are so afraid to open themselves to different cultures and the rest of the world. Discrimination like this can create a lot of hatred and bad blood between people and entire countries.

Who said that you can't find even a better muslim and God fearing girl who is not Omani?
My husband and I didn't have any of the above when we wanted to get married. I believe that you forgot to add that a permit can be given when an
Omani falls in love with a foreigner. It might take years to get the permission, but 'love' is a strong valid reason too!

Salam,

I did not say I can't find a better muslim and God fearing girl who is not Omani?
I know there are lots of that kind who are not Omani's, shall I travel & go look for them.If I can find in my own country why to go far. Plus I have travelled alot to many different countries. I have lots of good friends both genders who are arabs, westerns, asians. I have friends who are mixed too. That's my own opinion. There are lots who wont like it, but again I'm not against international marriages. I have some close friends who married non omani girls. I attended their malka's & now they are living in peace & harmony. My uncles are married to americans & british & together till today. I am happy for them.
What I have written earlier had two parts. Goverment view & my own opinion.

Cheers..

I found this comment slightly insulting for any non-Omani (like me) who ended up marrying one of your people!

Tell me where is the shame of children being half-caste? Are my children less than the ones coming from a 'pure' Omani couple?

On the contrary there is no better mixture then when two different nationalities match. With all my respect for the people of this country, did you ever ask yourself why all the Omanis look alike or why it is so hard to find an exotic or good looking man or women here?


I am not to insult anyone here. Infact I am happy to hear that you are a non-omani & married to an omani. God bless your life & grant you peace.
There are two ways of looking at: Half-caste. I looked at it in a good way. So no offence. There is no shame at all & I know many of these children are clever & talented.

I don't think all omani's look alike. May be you meant most Omani's. If I say that, I must also think why all chinese look alike, why all africans look alike. This is not good. So let's forbid marrying from same nationalitiy to avoid same looks in children.
In Oman you will find fare & dark, tall & short, good looking & not good looking. Beautiful & not beautiful. I believe this is the nature & it's everywhere. When I go marry I wont look at beauty as a measure. Beauty is not my priority though of course I want a beautiful girl, & I never find it hard to get a beautiful Omani girl in Oman. Religion is the measure, I would look for in a girl I want to marry.
"إياكم وخضراء الدمن، قيل وما خضراء الدمن يا رسول الله، قال: المرأة الحسناء في منبت السوء"
حديث شريف
In the above 7adeeth the prophet is warning us (Men) to avoid a type of girls who were beautiful but not brought up well.


Cheers..

Salam,


I understand why it is made so hard for omani's to marry from abroad. Our poulation is small & if the government don't put restrictions on this kind of marriage, most men will end-up marrying non-locals, especially with the current situations of high dowries within Oman & the neighbour countries. This is a disadvantage for Oman. If omani's marry non-omani's the children will be half-caste. This will effect the omani culture & the customs in the future. This is a wise thinking of HM.

Cheers..

that's for non-omani right ... but what if an omani girl wants to marry her cousin ( first cousin) he is omani but has a foreing passport???? i guess she's not also allowed to marry him is she???????

interesting way of putting it nana...

I mean, the cousin has a different passport, yeah, but no amount of documentation can change where you really come from... He may be American/English/Spanish/French by law, but his customs and his background will always be what he was born into. That can never change.

that's for non-omani right ... but what if an omani girl wants to marry her cousin ( first cousin) he is omani but has a foreing passport???? i guess she's not also allowed to marry him is she???????


Salam,

According to Royal Decree 83/3 stated that omani's both genders are not allowed to marry from outside before obtaining a marriage permit.

The ministry of interior is the issuer of the marriage permit & it can grant it to those who failed to find a spouse within the country for one of the following reasons:

1) Being very old.
2) Deformation.
3) Some sort of serious illnesses.

If an Omani marries from outside before obtaining a marriage permit then the ministry of interior may offer the following sanctions:

1) A fine of not more than R.O.2000.
2) Dismiss from work (Government Sector).
3) Will not be allowed to let the spouse in the country.
4) If the spouse is in the country & they have produced a child. Only the spouse will be asked to deport the country once the visa expires.
5) Which is am not sure, is that the passport of the Omani citizen will be taken by the government temporarily.

Ministry of Interior will not reject your case immidiately, they have a special committee to look into those omani's who applied to marry from outside the Oman.
In your case, you have strong reason & they may consider it, but one thing is required from your side is to follow it up from time to time, fight for it till you get it. If they give you an appointment you should go & don't leave the chance. If they don't call you, go yourself. Try to make an appointment with the minister as only him who has the authority, apart from HM.
Pray & ask Allah for help!
I wish you all the best

cheers..

Dear XP, I am not aginst the marraige of forigners,

...conclusion that our society still doesnt accept that marraige and other consequences could affect the society.Arby, it is not because a society is not accepting something that this society is right. A muslim society, which is strongly against any marriage to any foreigner who is a muslim, is surely doing strongly something against its religion!
....i find that comment abt filipinos extremely offensive, and i wish people would just STOP thinking like that.I couldn't agree more with you fatamooo and I guess it will take many years, if not many generations, for some nations to understand that one nation or race is not better than the other and that believing in such concept is simply pure discrimination.

The ministry of interior is the issuer of the marriage permit & it can grant it to those who failed to find a spouse within the country for one of the following reasons:

1) Being very old.
2) Deformation.
3) Some sort of serious illnesses.
4) Finds Omani men boring
5) edited, irrespectable comment
6) Can't cook
7) Excessive facial hair


Great........so there's still a chance.........

fatak

The ministry of interior is the issuer of the marriage permit & it can grant it to those who failed to find a spouse within the country for one of the following reasons:

1) Being very old.
2) Deformation.
3) Some sort of serious illnesses.
4) Finds Omani men boring
5) edited
6) Can't cook
7) Excessive facial hair


Great........so there's still a chance.........

fatak

Yon can go on & add up the list & you wil still have a chance.
There is always at least one chance!

Cheers..

Regardless of the government's vision of social harmony.......it looks so strange that there is any restrictions concerning the personal lives of it's citizens..........but as Oman is such a young country.......it may have to learn from it's mistakes in the future........

I suspect that this law.....is coming more from a tribal mentality than any thing related to Islamic rules........

The Gulf countries are always about tribes.........

I wonder how many Omanis are carrying on.......relationships with foreigners.....in the dark????

The fact is it's not the government's right to stick it's head in anyone's business.....after all do they really give 2 rials about your happiness......????

Is the government's role to serve the people's interests or do the people serve the government?

fatak

Phahade royal decrees are on papers, in reality if you marry from out without permit you'll be kiccked out and lose citizenship, passport, everything.
Strange but true, happened also to famous guys in government, justice for all at least once.
Is the government's role to serve the people's interests or do the people serve the government?
Both: if you are omani and succeed to marry me you will get italian passport quickly which is the passport to happiness cause you can go everywhere and fastly without waiting many months for a visa to Morocco for example. Preventing a mass escape is a duty of each government and as far as i know many actually would be ready to fly away.

Arby, it is not because a society is not accepting something that this society is right. A muslim society, which is strongly against any marriage to any foreigner who is a muslim, is surely doing strongly something against its religion!

but, in order to have order and prevent other social problems, social rules should be taken into consideration!
You cant neglect society, its what the country is made of!

Phahade royal decrees are on papers, in reality if you marry from out without permit you'll be kiccked out and lose citizenship, passport, everything.
Strange but true, happened also to famous guys in government, justice for all at least once.



it always depends on the case amo, I know a couple who managed to get the permit and werent kicked out from the country. They just had to present thier case on court.

The Gulf countries are always about tribes.........

I still dont see why is that a problem?? why do you beleive that we have to bring other values and implement them in our society?!!

Is the government's role to serve the people's interests or do the people serve the government?

Its rule is to create social harmony to everyone .. even if it had to interfere in some people's intrest.

I still dont see why is that a problem?? why do you beleive that we have to bring other values and implement them in our society?!!You don't have toooooooo ... and vice versa ;)

But please don't cry and whine when the rest of the world leaves your society behind because you refuse to intergrate into todays world!

But please don't cry and whine when the rest of the world leaves your society behind because you refuse to intergrate into todays world!

I still dont see what does development have to to do with bringing other values to the society?
Cant we develop and still keep our society value or we need to think "westerly" in order to develop?

there are some values and ideas that are not eastern or western, but are just innate regardless of heritage and background.

Hans Frankenstein ( a famous world class German dog breeder) was once hear to say......."If only people would take the example from our world......where we only breed the best blood with the best, and never allow any mixing of blood lines.......then we would have perfect order in the world of people......

Ruf Ruf........

PS..Are there any albino Arabs?

fatak ( the mutt )

fatak, do you agree with that guy?

have you not heard of the German Hapsburgs? They are (istaghfarallah) infamous for being ... well to put it moderately, UGLY! Why? Because, wanting to keep their bloodline pure Hapsburg blood and the wealth to the family, they made all the first cousins get married, and their kids of the cousins get married, until all the physical and mental flaws eventually became greatly exxagerated - if you look at their portraits you would be stunned by how large their noses are :os istaghfurallah all that just to keep the wealth in the family and to preserve the name or some bull like that!!

Mutt? lol we're not animals, man! In any case having parents from different races has great advantages: first, the kids will experience more than one culture, and therefore more likely to be a more open minded person when they grow up (like my friends) - second, there won't be any of those problems with everybody looking weird and all these disabilities....

When an Omani guy, marries someone most Omanis are used to being of (EDITED: different background/class) than them like a Flipino for example, do you consider it a bad thing?

It's the 21st Century ... there is no Class ... only Money and Power.

Love being blind is not a bad/good thing. It's just a thing.

Why is there so much encouragement and rules to marry a local in the Gulf and esp. in Oman? [/QUOTE]

Because most Gulf countries are Welfare states ... free health, free education, low tax or no taxes, mean that bringing new people in the population that have not been accounted for increases the strain on government spending.

Also, I'm a sexy beast ... and they don't want to lose me to foreigners ...

:hehe:

Salaaaam all
well 1st of all i think the issuer of this topic has to eidit what she have writien about classes its shamful and disrespecting and i hope that she didn't mean it...

well about marrying someone not omani...i totally agree with AP...espically in I still dont see why is that a problem?? why do you beleive that we have to bring other values and implement them in our society?!!


fatak about your omani friend that said he wouldn't like to marry an omani girl well its his loose...if only the omani guys look at the girls by their thoughts and mannars not by their looks then they will be happy i guess...he might said that just because of the huge expenses that he as man have to go through to marry the girl...in this case i wont belame him...because the mahar sometimes is crazy and the wedding parties as well...

i must say its nice to see different point of views about this issue....

Have a wonderful time

well, this is intersing..
its not only Omani or not its th idea of getting married to some whos not the nationality as me..
when i first respon to this i say so what.. it doesnt matter.. when i love someone i will not think of this and thats its a silly thing to think about..
but when i think about it more.. i find it difficult.
marriage is difficult when its from the same country and the same family too .. the couple find it difficult at the beginig cuz they have 2 different personalities..
so imagen if it was a guy from totally different background..
thats gonna be really hard.. and it will be hard for the kids eaither..

BUUUUUUT...
i dont mind it :P


so i really dont know lOolz