Fatwa is a disease if fanatic less educated desperado plow it.

[Scorpio27]

:think: We Muslims are suppressed and far behind only for Fatwa culture.
This is like cancer in less developed Muslim Nations.

Do you agree? I want you moderate members post some sad farwa stories and judge them logicaly and with humanity. :help:

[Scorpio27]

Example:

Wednesday, March 10 2004 15:44 Hrs (IST)

Agra: Fifty-four pro-Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Muslims were excommunicated and their marriages nullified by a local Mufti after they reportedly expressed the view that singing of national song 'Vande Mataram' was not un-Islamic, a 'fatwa' that has sent ripples in the community in Agra.

While issuing the 'fatwa', Mufti Abdul Quddus Rumi declared that singing of the national song "would lead them (Muslims) to hell".

What you say?

Ref (http://news.indiainfo.com/2004/03/10/1003muslims.html)

[Scorpio27]

Women are oppressed most in places where the hold of religion is strong. . . Women are almost equal to men in places where the hold of religion is loose. Here religion should be understood in the sense of social laws based on religion. Some might say: why are you discussing religion when you are talking about social problems? The answer is, religion as made the bond of slavery stronger. Men are lording it over women in the name of religion. That is why religion inevitably enters into our discussion.I hope the religious persons will forgive me."

(Nava Nur, pp 11-13, written by Bangladeshi poet Begum Rokeya Sakhawat Hossain born in 1880)

Islam is among the younger religions of the world - one that promised equality and greater dignity to women. Yet, the lower-rung clerics and the fundamentalists, especially in societies with high rates of illiteracy, have used it as an instrument of control and misrepresented the religion, inadvertently, as a medieval, primitive school of thought. Some Muslim women call it ‘political opportunism’. The recent incidents of ‘honour killings’ in Pakistan and Bangladesh – where women are killed to save a man’s honour – have left most women asking ‘Why’? The Taliban – a Fundamentalist Group in control of Afghanistan – have ordered Afghani women not to appear unveiled or unescorted in public; women may not work in a male environment, if at all; they can be doctors but can only treat female patients; female education is not a priority – women have been shot to death for appearing in public with a male other than their husband, brother or son; women have acid thrown on their faces for not covering it well enough; they have been stoned to death for loving a man – and so it continues. Women are not expected to protest in Afghanistan, yet the courage of one Afghani woman – Dr. Sima Samar – won her the International Humphrey award this year. She will be honoured with the award next month in Montreal, Canada. Asma Jahangir and sister Hina Jalani in Pakistan have, against all odds, relentlessly fought for the cause of women and minorities. Sultana Kamal in Bangladesh fights for women victimised by the fatwas (decrees) of illiterate clerics. Asma, Hina and Sultana are senior advocates, Sima is a medical doctor – all are professional Muslim women – fighting a mind-set that denies a woman her basic rights. They have all, at one time or the other, received death threats, been verbally abused, and threatened by the fundamentalists – yet they work – even harder. Or are the fundamentalists threatened by them?Ref: (http://www.the-south-asian.com/Nov2001/Muslim%20women%20challenging%20Islamic%20fundament alism1.htm)

[Scorpio27]

Bangladesh High Court ruling that fatwas -- religious edicts issued by the Muslim clergy -- are illegal. The court also ruled that such edicts, most of which are issued against women, must be made punishable by an act of parliament.

"This is a significant and most welcome development which sends a clear message that discriminatory practices against women, particularly in rural areas, are unacceptable and must stop.

The Mullah's has no right to play with the fate of human life, am i right? :help:


Ref (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA130012001?open&of=ENG-370)

[Scorpio27]

Who’s going to circular a Fatwa on me now? I am scared!

[PhaHaDde]

Salam,

Muifti's & islamic scholars know more about Islam than us. Whatever they say is based on some ground. May be the fatwa is groundless, but we have no evidence to prove them wrong. Who can prove a fatwa is wrong is another mufti. It's thier field.

I got the message you want to deliver to us. I can't say what mufti said is wrong, coz I have no evidence to prove him wrong. Yet that doesn't mean he is absolutely right.

Tell me what you think of what I said...


Peace out!

[Scorpio27]

Salam,

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I got the message you want to deliver to us. I can't say what mufti said is wrong, coz I have no evidence to prove him wrong. Yet that doesn't mean he is absolutely right.

Tell me what you think of what I said...


Peace out!

I agree , so i believe you shouldn't become fanatic or biased on their Fatwas as they also don't have proofs.


Thanks

[PhaHaDde]

They must have proof, but are those proof agreeable to all other islamic scholars & Mufti's? That's what we need to know. If all or most agreeable to it then we should be alright with it. At the end, they are there to lead us when we go wrong.

Hope you are not dissapointed!


Peace out!

[Scorpio27]

No brother i am not a bit disappointed on you. You know often I bow to your logic and gentle replies.

In fact in the third world fatwa is not a blessing but stress.

Thanks Brother.

[PhaHaDde]

Salam,

That's good to hear bro

You are right about the fatwa in those countries. I am sure most who find it hard & stress for them those who have difficulty in understanding arabic, or those who mis-translate the original 7adeeth or a qur'anic verse to others who don't understand arabic language. Insha'allah we will all have the right guidance as long as we are on the same right path.

Peace out!

[Pineapple Thief]

But what makes a mufti a mufti. Are we sure certain standards are being met in these less developed nations?

[EarThQuaKe]

But what makes a mufti a mufti. Are we sure certain standards are being met in these less developed nations?
This is a huge problem, the islamic world is facing. We have so many mufties nowadays. If you look at how much they read and how knowledgeable they are, you will find that they only read two books, joined 2 lectures and discussed two issues.

Personally, I either take fatwas from so many scholars and compare them with the quran and sunnah or take the fatwa from someone who I really respect and believe in all the way. i.e. Sheikh Ahmed Al-Khalili.

If you search the net, you will find so many mufties and everyone saying whatever they want. We need regulations and rules that control such acts.

I dont find it a problem when someone brings me verses from the quran and few ahadeeths and we discuss them, but I ignore the person who comes to tell me this is haram and thats it. Islam is a religion of convention. :)

[Scorpio27]

EQ, nicely described...
In our country especially the poor and superstitious people studies in Madrasa, where nothing but Holy Quran memorizes. So they stay in the dark even they don't know the meaning of Allah's words.

With age and some fanatic support they becomes (Mawlanas) Mufti and starts giving Fatwa. Their main aim becomes the women, Purdah and relation. Hell with them

They are not conscious about the social problem, crisis and diseases like Inhumanity, corruption, black money and other crime and sins, why? because they are privileged by the rich odd people to make their supporters.

The same goes to India and Pakistan's major muftis too.
And who really are pious and scholar they never advertise them.
Right?

[fatak]

From this moment.....

I Sayid Farouq Al Fataki issue the following fatwa......

Dangling participles in sabla threads are forbidden.......
participle

\Par"ti*ci*ple\, n. [F. participe, L. participium, fr. particeps sharing, participant; pars, gen. partis, a part + capere to take. See Participate.] 1. (Gram.) A part of speech partaking of the nature both verb and adjective; a form of a verb, or verbal adjective, modifying a noun, but taking the adjuncts of the verb from which it is derived. In the sentences: a letter is written; being asleep he did not hear; exhausted by toil he will sleep soundly, -- written, being, and exhaustedare participles.

By a participle, [I understand] a verb in an adjectival aspect. --Earle.

Note: Present participles, called also imperfect, or incomplete, participles, end in -ing. Past participles, called also perfect, or complete, participles, for the most part end in -ed, -d, -t, -en, or -n. A participle when used merely as an attribute of a noun, without reference to time, is called an adjective, or a participial adjective; as, a written constitution; a rolling stone; the exhausted army. The verbal noun in -ing has the form of the present participle. See Verbal noun, under Verbal, a.

2. Anything that partakes of the nature of different things. [Obs.]

The participles or confines between plants and living creatures. --Bacon.


fatak

[fatak]

And while these so called scholars issue their fatwas.......others prefer to help their muslim brothers.....like Abudallah Abu Sayeed......who teaches that enlightenment makes a better human being........thru education, reading and an open mind.

fatak

[Scorpio27]

I don't need a Fatwa. If a contradiction comes to my mind, I ask my soul,
And if i don't feel guilty then thats right. I don't have to go for a Fatwa to follow others believe.

To err is human. So I better do wrong rather than following others path & idea.

Thanks