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X-press
20-11-04, 12:14 PM
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Islamonline.net wrote the following about the Sunnah (Optional) Prayers:

"The word “sunnah” generally means the example or practice of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). When we talk about sunnah Prayers, we mean those ritual Prayers (salah) that the Prophet prayed in addition to the fard (obligatory) Prayers.

They are optional, but it is highly recommended to perform these Prayers. Following the example of the Prophet brings its own reward, and further, if one has any missing fard Prayers on Judgment Day, the missing Prayers will be made up with the sunnah Prayers that were performed."



My questions today are:

~ Do you usually perform daily all the recommended Sunnah Prayers?

~ If you do only perform some of them, which one do you usually try not to miss?

~ Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset?

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NaBHaN
20-11-04, 12:36 PM
I have to confess that i dont really pray them. and am not looking for lectures here from the members. :rolleyes:

Scorpio27
20-11-04, 12:54 PM
No, I don’t, but the attitude and manner I try to follow. And habit? The sweet eating I love:D

I don’t pray the sunnah :(
sorry, i believe those were his personal submission to Allah, and I should pray when ever i want to submit me to Allah.

IceTea
20-11-04, 12:56 PM
Good topic Xp:


Do you usually perform daily all the recommended Sunnah Prayers?

Yes Alhamdullah.


~ If you do only perform some of them, which one do you usually try not to miss?

There are different types of sunnah prayer and some of them called sunnah muakada or assured sunnah. And example of them are al witer and Al-Fajer sunnah which we pray before the Al-Fajer prayer. Those two should not be missed. In general I pray those 2 plus the sunnah after maghrib, Isha and Duhr prayers.


~ Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset?

I need to check about this!

fatamooo
20-11-04, 12:56 PM
are the prayers in the lunar and solar eclipses sunnah or wajib??

IceTea
20-11-04, 12:59 PM
sorry, i believe those were his personal submission to Allah, and I should pray when ever i want to submit me to Allah.

Your comments always shocking me!

No you are wrong, there is a Hadith saying "pray the way you saw me praying" so every muslims should pray sunnan and some of them as I answered above called sunnah muakada which means it's like a must to pray!

You need to start praying sunnah prayers after fard.

amo_l_oman
20-11-04, 01:02 PM
Do you usually perform daily all the recommended Sunnah Prayers?
Not really, just Witr and not every night.

amo_l_oman
20-11-04, 01:05 PM
Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset?
I think Niggy opened a thread about this some time ago.

HaYa
20-11-04, 01:12 PM
Do you usually perform daily all the recommended Sunnah Prayers?

yes alhamdulilah

If you do only perform some of them, which one do you usually try not to miss?
Exactly as Ice Tea said , but there are things i need clarification for , alWitr is considered to be sunnah !!? also,I thought the assured sunnah are 12

2 morning
2+4 noon
2 Maghrib
2 Asha

amo_l_oman
20-11-04, 01:16 PM
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24684


"a Muslim’s action must be in opposition to that of the polytheists. The object is the pluck out idolatory in any shape or form. The sun, when it rises, sets or in the meridian, is worshipped by many nations. If prayer is offered at these times, some people may be led to think that Islam also sanctions the worship of the sun."

IceTea
20-11-04, 01:30 PM
Haya, the assured sunnah only 2 which I mentioned Al-Fajer sunnah and al witer, there are other sunnah prayer called Rawateb and I believe it's praying 4 rak3a before Duhr prayer or after it.

amo you are missing the point of XP question about praying sunnah after Asir, she didn't mean praying at sun rise or sun set :).

amo_l_oman
20-11-04, 01:40 PM
<gosh>aha k</gosh>

fatamooo
20-11-04, 01:55 PM
no one answered my q... :(

Scorpio27
20-11-04, 03:52 PM
Thanks, but I donno why I don't feel urge for the Sunnah prayers where I often miss Faraz.

I will try to follow them soon. :(

IceTea
20-11-04, 04:01 PM
no one answered my q... :(

I saw your question but I want to double check the answer, anyway I believe it's sunnah also.

EarThQuaKe
20-11-04, 04:41 PM
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Islamonline.net wrote the following about the Sunnah (Optional) Prayers:

"The word “sunnah” generally means the example or practice of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). When we talk about sunnah Prayers, we mean those ritual Prayers (salah) that the Prophet prayed in addition to the fard (obligatory) Prayers. .

The prophet sallawat allah wa salamuh 3alyh said من رغب عن سنتي فليس مني
My translation: Who does not like my sunnah he is not part of me (islam).



They are optional, but it is highly recommended to perform these Prayers. Following the example of the Prophet brings its own reward, and further, if one has any missing fard Prayers on Judgment Day, the missing Prayers will be made up with the sunnah Prayers that were performed."

Since when is this possible. A farth is a farth and a sunnah is a sunnah. If you miss a farth you should pray it before praying any sunnah.



are the prayers in the lunar and solar eclipses sunnah or wajib??

I do not know.


There are different types of sunnah prayer and some of them called sunnah muakada or assured sunnah. And example of them are al witer and Al-Fajer sunnah which we pray before the Al-Fajer prayer. Those two should not be missed. In general I pray those 2 plus the sunnah after maghrib, Isha and Duhr prayers.

Sunnah Muakadah are Fajr, maghrib and am not quite sure, but some say 2 rik3ah before Assr. Some say watir is WAJIB, some say its sunnah mu2akadah, but there are hadeeths about watir and its importance.


Not really, just Witr and not every night. ??

The prophet said; "يا أهل القرآن أوتروا فإن الله وتر يحب الوتر"(رواه أحمد وأصحاب السنن وحسنه الترمذي ورواه الحاكم أيضاً وصححه).

People of quran, allah is watir and he likes watir.

قال الإمام أحمد: "من ترك الوتر عمداً، فهو رجل سوء، لا ينبغي أن تقبل شهادته".

Imam Ahmed said "Who over left the watir insistingly, he is a man os sin and his shahadah should not be accepted.

وروى أحمد وأبوداود مرفوعاً: "من لم يوتر فليس منا".
Any one who doesnt do watir is not from us (islam)

إن أبا بصرة حدثني أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: "إن الله زادكم صلاة، وهي الوتر، فصلوها فيما بين صلاة العشاء إلى صلاة الفجر"

Allah added a sallah for you and its the watir so pray it during the time between Esha and Fajr.

Its only 1 rik3ah, wont take a long time! :angry:

EarThQuaKe
20-11-04, 04:55 PM
I only pray the watir and fajr sunnah nowadays because am away from home and I pray them jam3 :(. I know its better to pray them single, but its hard in here. If you pray jam3, its not possible to pray the sunnah except Esha sunnah :)

PhaHaDde
20-11-04, 05:18 PM
Salam,


Do you usually perform daily all the recommended Sunnah Prayers?

Yes Alhamdulillah.


If you do only perform some of them, which one do you usually try not to miss?
Sunnah Mu'akkada: Like Fajr & Maghrib some say 3isha also.

Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset?

Well, I am not sure. But I heard there is sunnah prayer for 3sr but it is not important, but if to be performed then it is before the 3sr prayer. Prayers forbidden between 3sr & maghrib.

Regards...

PhaHaDde
20-11-04, 05:23 PM
I have to confess that i dont really pray them. and am not looking for lectures here from the members. :rolleyes:

للتمعن....


" ...إن الذكرى تنفع المؤمنيــــن"

صدق الله العظيم

" من رغب عن سنتي فليس مني"

حديث شريف

" إنك لا تهدي من أحببت، ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء"
صدق الله العظيم

PhaHaDde
20-11-04, 05:31 PM
No, I don’t, but the attitude and manner I try to follow. And habit? The sweet eating I love:D

I don’t pray the sunnah :(
sorry, i believe those were his personal submission to Allah, and I should pray when ever i want to submit me to Allah.


For him it was his personal submission, and for us is to learn from him. He is the only big example for all muslims. Why would he perfrom extra prayers when he know all pre-committed sins & if he is going to commit any sin...he is already forgiven for that. But still will stand & pray day & night till his feet get swollen.

Plus there are sunna mu'akkadah we have to perform them:
" من رغب عن سنتي فليس مني"
حديث شريف

I do it, I know I commit sins, I hope my prayers will be accepted & cover up my sins. Plus X.press is right, the sunna prayers will make up for our fard insha'allah, but that is applied only if you are performing fard. Of course can not perform sunnah & leave the obligatory praye.

Cheers..

EarThQuaKe
20-11-04, 05:40 PM
Salam,


If you do only perform some of them, which one do you usually try not to miss?
Sunnah Mu'akkada: Like Fajr & Maghrib some say 3isha also.

Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset?

Well, I am not sure. But I heard there is sunnah prayer for 3sr but it is not important, but if to be performed then it is before the 3sr prayer. Prayers forbidden between 3sr & maghrib.

Regards...

There is sunnah for assr and many say its sunnah mu2akadah, but its before the farth. I've never heard about Eisha's sunnah is mu2akadah.

A hunch of why is it forbidden to pray after assr is because Assr is time of work and allah does not want muslims to think twice. Oh is it better to pray or should I go to work. Let me pray for half an hour then go to work. You know there was only private sector at the time of the prophet :).

A heard that praying after fajr is makrooh or forbidden until the sunrise. Does anyone have any information about this. :)

Scorpio27
20-11-04, 06:51 PM
But XP mentioned SUNNAH as OPTIONAL

Why you guys are pressing on optional prayers!

I believe there are lot of social things (sunnah) stays pending beside optional PRAYERS.

Allah and Prophet loves human most.
So i think we have to take care of mankind and society after Farz then optional Prayers.

We often do not do our social duties. That's unjustice.

:help:

EarThQuaKe
20-11-04, 07:00 PM
But XP mentioned SUNNAH as OPTIONAL

Why you guys are pressing on optional prayers!

I believe there are lot of social things (sunnah) stays pending beside optional PRAYERS.

Allah and Prophet loves human most.
So i think we have to take care of mankind and society after Farz then optional Prayers.

We often do not do our social duties. That's unjustice.

:help:


A school mate once asked the teacher. whats the hukom of a person who does not pray the sunnah. the teacher said "Y3azar" gets punished.

At the end of the day. its the individual's choice. Sunnah is not farth its not as important as the farth, but its important. I will never miss any of my sunnah inshallah.

People ask how many nafilah can a person pray everyday and you guys are going for the least possible.

The prophet said Ya bilal comfort us with it and you are saying Ya bilal relieve us from it.

Thank you all.

KMH
20-11-04, 09:22 PM
You should follow Sunnats if you are Muslim. You can’t avoid Allah’s representative’s paths.

Enigma
20-11-04, 09:36 PM
Members, remember that posting a full post in arabic is NOT allowed here. You MUST provide a translation or cease to post. This is an English Sabla, readers have joined the forum to read in English. Some do not even understand the language and it is quite unfair on your part to post something that is not understandable toward them.

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In reply to the question, I only do the Fajir & Isha/Watir sunnah. No matter what, I can't NOT pray watir. I don't know why but I feel like its almost as important as the fardh. I do Maghrib sunah on and off but I admit I never do Duhur's :os

X-press
20-11-04, 10:15 PM
The summary of the Sunnah (Optional) Prayers and Fard (Obligatory) Prayers is:

Fajr (Dawn):
2 rak'ahs of Sunnah before / 2 rak'ahs for Fard prayer

Zhuhr (Noon):
2 or 4 rak'has of Sunnah before / 4 rak'ahs for Fard prayer / 2 rak'has of Sunnah after

'Asr (afternoon):
0 or 2 rak'has of Sunnah before / 4 rak'ahs for Fard prayer

Maghrib (sunset):
2 rak'has of Sunnah before / 3 rak'ahs for Fard prayer / 2 rak'has of Sunnah after

'Isha' (Night):
0 or 2 rak'has of Sunnah before / 4 rak'ahs for Fard prayer / 2 rak'has of Sunnah, followed by an odd number of Witr

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X-press
20-11-04, 10:16 PM
2 morning
2+4 noon
2 Maghrib
2 AshaHaYa, I am just posting this below as maybe you are not aware of the sunnah prayers after Zhuhr, Maghrib and Isha:

Morning: 2 + 2
Noon: 2 or 4 + 4 + 2
Afternoon: 0 or 2 + 4
Sunset: 2 + 3 + 2
Night: 0 + 2 + 4 + 2 + Witr

X-press
20-11-04, 10:37 PM
I have to confess that i dont really pray them. and am not looking for lectures here from the members. :rolleyes:As we know, sunnah prayers are not obligatory, so it is fine if you do not pray them Nabhan and I understood that you will not be accounted for not performing them.

I confess that I was like you when I used to pray sometimes some sunnah prayers, but not on a daily or even regular basis. However, during Ramadhan, two things striked me and I am sure it will raised the eyebrows of some non-muslims ;):

1) ...when I was watching on TV the very long additional prayers performed in Meccah by such a huge crowd of pelgrims. I found it amazing to see them doing together all these extra prayers and this throughout the night till down!

2) ...and mostly when I found out in an islamic book that, when we will die and when we will be in the grave, our prayers will stand by our right side, while our fast will stand on the left, etc.... I understood that Prayers will come to are rescue when the Torment of the grave will attack us from the right side,...fast will protect the left, etc...

This last point made me think that maybe I really need extra prayers to be well protected!

PhaHaDde
21-11-04, 03:45 AM
no one answered my q... :(


Well,

Some shuyookh say it's (fard kifaya) means if some moslims perform it, it's enough, there is no need for all to perform it as in (fard 3en)

Some say it is Sunna mo2kkada.

Some say it is (Fard 3en) meaning all moslems have to perform it.

The answer which most shuyookh agreed on it is that is is (fard Kifaya)

Regards...

IceTea
21-11-04, 06:22 AM
Maghrib (sunset):
2 rak'has of Sunnah before

I believe in Ibadhi this is not available even the 2 rak'has for "ta7yat al masjed" or mosque greeting is not done before maghrib prayer.

IceTea
21-11-04, 06:26 AM
As we know, sunnah prayers are not obligatory, so it is fine if you do not pray them Nabhan and I understood that you will not be accounted for not performing them.




XP, we stated above that there are type of sunnah called assured sunnah and e.g are the Al-witer and Al-Fajer sunnah. Those two must be prayed and I believe scholars say that you even need to pay them back if you didn't pray them.

PhaHaDde
22-11-04, 12:47 PM
I believe in Ibadhi this is not available even the 2 rak'has for "ta7yat al masjed" or mosque greeting is not done before maghrib prayer.

Salam,

Between the athan & iqama of maghrib prayer time is too short. But sunnat al maghrib which is sunna mo2kkada is two rak3at after maghrib.
Ta7iyat al masjid can be prayed at any time once you enter the mosque.


Cheers....

X-press
23-11-04, 10:21 PM
I believe in Ibadhi this is not available even the 2 rak'has for "ta7yat al masjed" or mosque greeting is not done before maghrib prayer.Icy, I know that you are Ibadhi and this is one of the reason why we often different in islamic topic, me being a Sunni. However, it is interesting to hear that the 2 rak'has before maghrib prayer are not done by the Ibadhis.


the Al-witer and Al-Fajer sunnah. Those two must be prayed and I believe scholars say that you even need to pay them back if you didn't pray them.Again, I believe it is a must for the Ibhadi Sect, but when it comes to the Sunni School of thoughts, I never heard that any Sunna Prayers were a 'must', whether it is Witr or the sunnahs of Fajr.

X-press
23-11-04, 10:30 PM
~ Does anyone know why it is forbidden to perform sunnah Prayers after `Asr until sunset? It seems we couldn't find so far why the sunnah Prayers after 'Asr are forbidden...I am sure there must be a reason.

Question:
I was wandering if someone missed a sunnah of a previous prayer (expl sunnahs of Zhuhr), can he prays it with the sunnahs of the next prayer (expl with 'Asr)? I don't think so (for the Sunnis at least), but I would like a confirmation.

EarThQuaKe
23-11-04, 10:33 PM
Icy, I know that you are Ibadhi and this is one of the reason why we often different in islamic topic, me being a Sunni. However, it is interesting to hear that the 2 rak'has before maghrib prayer are not done by the Ibadhis.

Again, I believe it is a must for the Ibhadi Sect, but when it comes to the Sunni School of thoughts, I never heard that any Sunna Prayers were a 'must', whether it is Witr or the sunnahs of Fajr.


Actually.. There is a hadeeth told by ibn Abbas about 2 rik3ah before maghrib.

If IT doesnt know it doesnt have to be ibadhies.

Its good to pray 2 rik3ah before maghrib, but the time between athan & iqamah is short (5-10 min max). If all the men started praying, we will not start maghrib prayer before Aesha :)

IceTea... Read "Ahkam A'ssalah" by Shaikh Ahmed Alkhalili from "So2al Ahl A'thekr". :)

About the must thinh... I am not sure that its 100% must pray, but inshallah I will always pray all of them. :)

EarThQuaKe
23-11-04, 10:34 PM
Question:
I was wandering if someone missed a sunnah of a previous prayer (expl sunnahs of Zhuhr), can he prays it with the sunnahs of the next prayer (expl with 'Asr)? I don't think so (for the Sunnis at least), but I would like a confirmation.


looooooooool. :)