View Full Version : The positive things and logic you found in "Quran".
Scorpio27
11-11-04, 03:45 PM
I was going through a TV program and came to know that despite the religious Teaching there are So Many theory of Modern Science which the scientist know now a days and discovered and for your kind information at the beginning of Islam the science was in primitive position so it was impossible to put the theories in Quran by a human being.
We will leave the contradiction and silly matters which we often quarrel with like "Polygamy", "Slavery", "Women right" etc, which is beyond our knowledge why Allah gave such laws, and in this thread I want constructive discussion and your experience about Logic and Science you discover in Quran.
Hope we will come out of the ugly shell of inking each other and do discuss the Logic of Creation, Formula and Scientific view in Quran.
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Scorpio27
11-11-04, 04:03 PM
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)
LEARN MORE (http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm)
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catacea, here's another one for you .
Wanderer
11-11-04, 09:59 PM
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)
How is this any different from how a pig forms ?
A pig will not end up in hell or heaven like a human being.
Wanderer
12-11-04, 08:01 PM
A pig will not end up in hell or heaven like a human being.
Interesting superstition, but not an answer to the question I asked.
Did you not answer it appropriately because you don't like the uncomfortable truth ?
How is waht was described any different from how a pig forms ?
Scorpio27
12-11-04, 08:25 PM
I am sure i was talking about the positive discussion!
Scorpio27
12-11-04, 08:50 PM
There are numerous examples of such verses, such as the description of the formation of human life. The sperm of man is referred to as a 'mixture of liquids' (76:2), since the sperm is composed of various secretions from the testicles, the seminal vesicles, the prostate and other glands. From the literally millions of sperms produced and ejaculated, only one sperm is actually used in the fertilization process - a very small quantity. This is referred to in a number of verses by the word 'nutfah' (75:37) which signifies a small quantity of mixed fluid. the sperm then hoins the female egg and forms the zygote. This occurs in the mother's womb, a 'safe lodging' (23:13). (see Chapters 3, 4, 5 and 6 - Web Ed.). ...
During the delivery process, the passage of the baby from the mother's womb to the outside world occurs through the birth canal. Typically, this canal is extremely narrow and tight. However, shortly before the birth, certain changes occur, including the release of certain hormones, the contractions of the uterus, and the breakage of the 'bag of water' surrounding the baby, all of which contribute to making the canal loose. This is referred to in 80:20, "then We made the passage (though the birth canal) easy."
A Scientist's Interpretation of References to Embryology in the Qur'an (http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_embryology.htm)
LEARN MORE THEN Buzz PLZ:(
MoonChild
12-11-04, 09:00 PM
80:20, "then We made the passage (though the birth canal) easy."
clearly absurd.
ask any woman.
LEARN MORE THEN BUG PLZDo a forum search about this subject and you will find an interesting thread that will blow your mind :D
Then come back and bug please
But while we are at ... do mind answering the question?
How is waht was described any different from how a pig forms ?Or virtually any other mammal ...?
Scorpio27
12-11-04, 09:08 PM
"And I created every living thing out of water? Qur?an, 21:30
"Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?" Qur'an, 78:12-13
Stars and Planets
The word 'star' (najm) in the Qur'an ( 86:3 ) is accompanied by the adjective thaaqib which indicates that it burns and consumes itself as it pierces through the shadows of the night. It was much later discovered that stars are heavenly bodies producing their own light like the sun.
In the Qur'an, a different word, kawkab, is used to refer to the planets which are celestial bodies that reflect light and do not produce their own light like the sun.
"We have adorned the lowest heaven with ornaments, the planets." Qur'an, 37:6
The moon is an inert body which reflects light, whereas the sun is a celestial body in a state of permanent combustion producing both light and heat.
Orbits
Today, the laws governing the celestial systems are well known. Galaxies are balanced by the position of stars and planets in well-defined orbits, as well as the interplay of gravitational forces produced by their masses and the speed of their movements. But is this not what the Qur?an describes in terms which have only become comprehensible in modern times. In chapter al-Ambiyaa we find:
"(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion." Qur'an,21:33
The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb yasbahoon which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one?s legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, one is forced to translate it, according to its original meaning, as 'to travel with its own motion.'
In my book, The Bible, The Qur'an and Science, I have given the precise scientific data corresponding to the motion of celestial bodies. They are well known for the moon, but less widely known for the sun.
The Solar Apex
The notion of a settled place for the sun is vividly described in chapter Yaa Seen of the Qur'an:
"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing." Qur'an, 36:38
"Settled place" is the translation of the word mustaqarr which indicates an exact appointed place and time. Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules ( alpha lyrae ) whose exact location has been precisely calculated. Astronomers have even give it a name, the solar apex.
Conquest of Space
Among the achievements of modern science is the ?conquest? of space which has resulted in mans journey to the moon. The prediction of this event surely springs to mind when we read the chapter ar-Rahmaan in the Qur?an:
"O assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority."
Qur'an,55:33
Authority to travel in space can only come from the Creator of the laws which govern movement and space. The whole of this Qur?anic chapter invites humankind to recognize God?s beneficence.
"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heavens and the earth were joined together,
then I clove them asunder and I made every living thing out of water. Will they still not believe?" Qur'an, 21:30
"If we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason- for then we would truly know the mind of God."
(Stephen W. Hawking, A Brief History of Time, 1988)
Scorpio27
13-11-04, 01:44 AM
Skimming won't make you understand Quran, you have study thoroughly, else you will remain in the dark and always will make quarrel and think negative. :( That?s the saddest part of nonbelievers.
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Cetacea
13-11-04, 02:32 AM
We just talked about it in this thread: http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=426346#post426346 Why are you bringing it up again?
We created man from an extract of clay.
:D Whatever.
Cetacea
13-11-04, 03:00 AM
"And I created every living thing out of water? Qur?an, 21:30
A water molecule is made up of 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
If every living thing is made out of water, how did carbon, sulfur, potassium, and various other elements get into our bodies?
"Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?" Qur'an, 78:12-13 The Moon doesn’t emit light, how could you possibly call it a light?
Orbits
Today, the laws governing the celestial systems are well known. Galaxies are balanced by the position of stars and planets in well-defined orbits, as well as the interplay of gravitational forces produced by their masses and the speed of their movements. But is this not what the Qur?an describes in terms which have only become comprehensible in modern times. In chapter al-Ambiyaa we find:
"(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion." Qur'an,21:33
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Egyptians and Chinese had figured this out way before the Quran was written.
"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing." Qur'an, 36:38
Coarse or course? :D
"O assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority."
What does this paragraph have anything to do with man’s journey to the Moon? Did the astronauts get permissions from Mullahs? Are you bitter that infidels, not Muslims, went to the Moon? You and the author of the text were obviously highly motivated to coax miracles out of ancient text. Keep twisting the words and I’m sure sooner or later you’ll find that the Quran predicted the internet too.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the Egyptians and Chinese had figured this out way before the Quran was written.Not to mention, but the Mayans also new this stuff long before the Quran existed.
Cetacea
13-11-04, 06:07 PM
"And I created every living thing out of water? Qur?an, 21:30
"Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?" Qur'an, 78:12-13
Stars and Planets
The word 'star' (najm) in the Qur'an ( 86:3 ) is accompanied by the adjective thaaqib which indicates that it burns and consumes itself as it pierces through the shadows of the night. It was much later discovered that stars are heavenly bodies producing their own light like the sun.
In the Qur'an, a different word, kawkab, is used to refer to the planets which are celestial bodies that reflect light and do not produce their own light like the sun.
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Hasnain, you’ve been on Sabla long enough to know that whenever you quote from the internet you need to CITE YOUR SOURCE. Stealing other people’s work is unethical. Didn’t you learn anything from the Quran?
Cetacea
13-11-04, 06:20 PM
Off topic: Every time I post in the Islamic Sabla, I get tons of red points from people, anonymous or not, who are too chicken to confront me in the public forum. Not that I really care about points, but I would like to answer your question if you at least tell me who you are. Here is one from a nameless: “Do you think Bible is then GARBAGE too?” For the record, I do. I just haven’t decided which one is worse, the Bible or the Quran. Next time you can ask such questions in the thread.
Scorpio27
13-11-04, 06:49 PM
I don't like to red rep, sorry:(
Pineapple Thief
15-11-04, 01:34 AM
Its funny how such a good idea for a thread opens, and the only people who bother to read it are those who are looking to make an attack on Islam. Shame on you guys for not just leaving it be. The thread is obviously not meant for you. In a forum with a large majority of muslims, why cant some threads not be consistently attacked and the author ridiculed? If you dont like it, leave it be.
Shame on you guys as well, the muslims, who would ignore such a thread. Its a really good thread, with a really good idea behind it. Ive always wanted to open a thread such as this, but felt I wouldnt be able to get the idea across. About scientific miracles and all that. Im glad Hasnain opened it, but it seems its all wasted, because nobody's interested.
EarThQuaKe
17-11-04, 06:15 PM
Quran is not a scientific book and it will never be. :)
Its not like a book authored by Einstien or Issac Newton.
Its the words of allah (jal' wa 3ala), Its the mu3jizah of prophet mohammed salawat allah 3alyhe wa salamuh.
People who are bored come with these things, but they are not facts. Yes there are things in the quran that are scientific, but there is a purpose for them being there, else there should be a verse in the quran stating the possibility of Aliens.
Interesting superstition, but not an answer to the question I asked.
Did you not answer it appropriately because you don't like the uncomfortable truth ?
How is waht was described any different from how a pig forms ?
Well if you think about my answer then it's the truth which you fear!
We just talked about it in this thread: http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=426346#post426346 Why are you bringing it up again?
Right, but still you didn't answer the question about concrete and steel :).
A water molecule is made up of 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
If every living thing is made out of water, how did carbon, sulfur, potassium, and various other elements get into our bodies?
Can you live without water?
Pineapple Thief
19-11-04, 12:37 AM
1) How a human forms is probably the same as how a pig forms, and every other mammal. Im not sure if that comment was meant to be an insult, but I guess it needed to be asked.
2) Please, Ceta. I fail to see where it says we are made of ONLY water. Its a known fact that the large majority of living organisms are made of between 60-80% water. The earth is about 70% water. Some organisims are completely water. There is a particular creature that can excrete about 90% of its water at times, but even it must retain that water to live. So the point stands, without water we could not live. The vital ingredient, if you will, in all living things, is H2O.
Omani King
19-11-04, 12:55 AM
it didnt predict the internet but as i said in the other thread it predicted the digital book :P !!!!
n by the way why do u keep ur sig. 1 of my posts :( !!NOT FAIR!!!
B3eed Aldar
19-11-04, 01:04 AM
It also mentioned in Quarn that the moon was cuted into two halves then returned back when the non-muslims in Mecca asked the prophet for a sign so they can believe him and the prophet by the well of Allah cuted the moon into to halves.
P.S : It's just a shame that some people trying to be intrested in the topic whereas asking stupid question or being sarcastic.
We would be more then happy to answer any question or anything you want to know about Islam.
Scorpio : good topic.
Cetacea
08-12-04, 05:44 AM
Its funny how such a good idea for a thread opens, and the only people who bother to read it are those who are looking to make an attack on Islam. Shame on you guys for not just leaving it be. The thread is obviously not meant for you. In a forum with a large majority of muslims, why cant some threads not be consistently attacked and the author ridiculed? If you dont like it, leave it be.
I’ve been told over and over again that Islam is the religion of TRUTH. If it is so, I feel the right way to defend your religion is NOT to tell those who disagree with you to shut up but to explain to them how man was made of the extract of clay, how the Moon emits light, and how the universe was created in 6 24-hour days despite all the contradicting evidence.
Here is a hypothetical scenario for you: XYZ religion has a holy scripture that says the Earth is flat and its followers claim it a miracle and revel in how accurate the scripture predicted the “truth” long time ago.
Assume you are not a follower of XYZ, what would you do?
a. Nothing.
b. Agree with followers of XYZ because there are many of them and you don’t want to piss them off.
c. Tell them that the Earth is round not flat.
Now assume you are a follower of XYZ. Someone comes along and says, hey dude, the Earth is round not flat and the so-called miracle is invalid. What would you do?
a. Beat that person up because he/she dared to disagree with you.
b. Tell that person to shut up because he/she was attacking your religion.
c. Go and find out if the Earth is round or flat.
Pineapple Thief
08-12-04, 11:05 AM
But see theres a way to do it, and Cetacea forgive me if I lumpsum you into this group, you're one of the better ones, but the majority of people here dont want to have a discussion, they want to bash islam, they dont want to believe it.
For instance, if I told you that by '6 days' whats meant is not 24-hour periods, but periods of time that are unmeasurable to us? It does say in the Quran that a certain number of years to us is like a single day to Allah (I dont remember the exact figure - 1000? Either way its irrelevant, its seen to be metaphorical). If you see it that way, then you're view that it took an infinite amount of time to be 'created' is accepted because its pretty much the same thing. Creation doesnt necessarily mean boom! monkey. boom! elephant. It can be anything, including evolution. We dont know.
But because one supposed islamic scholar may say the world was created in 6 days, some members of the board will jump on that and block out everything else.
Do you see why they get defensive? Because its not perceived as honest curiousity, or a desire to learn - indeed its not. Its an attack in the majority of cases.
the onus shoud be on the person who opens these outrageous threads, not on those who question the illogical claims therein. as has been said before, the Quran is a religious book not a science manual. if you have people of weak faith who try to convert it to a science book, then they should be prepared to face an incredulous audience.
catacea put it beautifully. either stand by the claims or stop posting them.
Pineapple Thief
09-12-04, 02:53 AM
Excuse me? Its a religious sabla of an islamic website for people from, of, or interested in an Islamic country. I will not have outsiders telling me who and what to post here. We have the freedom to discuss what we want here, and we have the right to discuss it without constant interruptions and attacks. Jeez, thats like having to put up with your neighbors telling you what to do you in your own home.
CrazyReD
09-12-04, 02:58 AM
members stick to the topic what someone thinks of this thread is irrelevant to the discussion if you disagree no one is forcing you to post
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pt. you are missing the point. whether this is an islamic forum or not is moot and beside the point.
if ridiculous claims are made that evidence of the moon splitting was discovered by nasa you can expect to be ridiculed and questioned.
last time I checked there nowhere was it mentioned that this sabla was for moslems only or only for people from the middle east.
A pig will not end up in hell or heaven like a human being.
I know a great BBQ place in Memphis Tenn......where the ribs are heavenly!!!
Does That count!!!
So in heaven we got virgin girls and wine but no ribs???// Who throwing this party????
There's more to life or afterlife then just wine and woman, man!!!!!
fatak
Pineapple Thief
15-12-04, 04:01 PM
This sabla isnt a place for only muslims or people from the middle east, everyone is welcome, as you know. But a certain respect should be given to the hosts, dont you think? You dont walk into your friends house and tell him how ugly the colour of the walls is. If the topic comes up, you mention that you dont like it, but you dont ridicule him on his terrible taste, do you?
@Fatak: I agree with you, theres more to the afterlife than wine and women, thats for this world, and I find it unfortunate that many of us cant fathom more than that as 'ultimate paradise'...
EarThQuaKe
15-12-04, 07:24 PM
Here is a book by Harun Yahya.
A CHAIN OF MIRACLES (http://www.harunyahya.com/books/science/chain/chain1.php)
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