Some women are 'forced' into prostitution because they cannot find any job, because they have a family to provide for (or just themselves). Its a booming business, you make lots of money and the job is dependable. But its religiously horrific and morally damaging.

So, YES or NO, is there ever an excuse for prostitution? Should she find ANYTHING but that to do, even if its scrubbing floors for 100 baisa a day?

You know in some poor country in poor community some family is sooooooo needy that they don't have money for treatment, suppose husband is paralyzed and kids are without food!

How long a mother can tolerate that?

:(

I don't ever-appreciated Prostitution but I don't blame all prostitute

And I saw few good women were trapped/forced to do the ugly job.

Sad

FOR REACH OR MIDDLECLASS FANTACY AND LUXURY HUNT I HATE THE PROSTITUTES

well I don't there's ever an excuse there's no religion that allows it
that being said I do know that sometimes that's the only way to get enough money and when that happens (the women is forced into prostatution) I think it's the goverments fault for not providing the financial care to such a family

well I don't there's ever an excuse there's no religion that allows it
that being said I do know that sometimes that's the only way to get enough money and when that happens (the women is forced into prostatution) I think it's the goverments fault for not providing the financial care to such a family

Not really the government's fault either, at times.

I have heard of women/kids being kidnapped and sent to different countries to make them prostitutes. The kidnappers tell the authorities that these girls shall be house maids or so, but the reality is otherwise.

Becoming prostitutes to earn a living is a totally different ball game.

Sino is very right.

although i think that prostitution is the worst most despicable thing a person can do - it can be forgiven if: the person is FORCED to do it... as in the woman has a gun to her head and the guy will shoot if she doesnt go sell herself... its not her fault cos if it were up to her she wouldnt do it!!!

The most precious thing that women have is her honor or what we call in arabic "alsharaf." And the "real woman" is the one who saves her honor even if it will cause her death.

Apart from that, I don't think that being poor is a justifying excuse. There are many poors we can find in our socities, but yet, they still don't sell theirselves. If they are poor, it's because God is testing them to see how they'll handle it... Will they continue to go in the right path or slip and make sins.


Red_Zone

I agree but sometimes they have nothing
nothing to eat or drink working for a 100 bzs won't put food in thier mouths
thats why they turn to prostatution

thats why i pointed the finger to the goverment, because the govt is responsible for it's people



p.s i'm not trying to justify what they do

Men should save his dignity & principle (virginity) too. All human are equal to the eye of God dear brother and sisters.

:(

If it's because of a personal choice, then it's wrong. I believe that no matter how much you need money, your dignity comes first, and no one should go that low.

If she's forced, then that's a totally different issue, she has no control over it though she should try her best to avoid it or somehow escape the situation.

It's sad that some peole would take advantage of these poor women for their own good, what is the world coming to!

the person is FORCED to do it... as in the woman has a gun to her head and the guy will shoot if she doesnt go sell herself...That's rape; not prostitution. Only circumstances can 'force' ppl to become prostitutes. It's a choice at the end of the day (although some would argue that it isn't really much of a choice). It's easy for me to say that there's NEVER an excuse to turn to prostitution but I can't help being judgmental.

This thread reminded me of that song, "What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bed room floor cuz he's hungry and the only way to feed him is to sleep with a man for a little bit of money and his daddy's gone............

I dont think there is an excuse for prostitution. If the person really needed the money, there are other ways to earn it. But I guess its cuz they want the easy way out.

exactly kaza!!

I dont think prostitution should be a choice at all .. even if they were dying of hunger!!

its not a choice at all ,,,, there are no religion that allow this at all ,,, and even if women dona find nothign to eat or feed here child ,,, its not an excuse at all,,,,

well ,,, i do belive its better for her to die with her honor and face Allah ,, than to live and to die with this shame ,,,, didnt they think how she will face Allah one day :eyes:

No there is no excuse.. u cant put a price on having sex with somebody, as its SUPPOSED to be priceless..
its pride degrading!
yekh

What should we call them?
Not a prostitute but do sex with partner before marring!
Or do it accidentally or emotionally or from strong sexual urge.:(

the truth is there is no excuse - i remember an interview i read once in a magazine abt the dj/singer Sonique - she was a big hit a couple of years ago, i think her hit song was called 'it feels so good' and she talked about her life before fame... and she said that due to circumstances she ended up living on the streets for nearly two years!! She was homeless, no family, no money, and nothing to look forward to, and although the urge for her to end up in prostitution was everywhere - after all she was young, pretty and desperate for money and affection too, which is the trap for most women who enf up in the prostitution business... anyways she said in the interview, in so many words, that no matter what happened in her life, she would never degrade herself to selling her body, and that even though she had to live on other people's pity for two years, she still had the pride and dignity not to become a prostitute. And look how she ended up!!! Big successful singer with more money than she knew what to do with, and she didn't have to compromise her morals to get to where she wanted to be, no matter how hard the struggle was... this story proves that prostitution should not even be an option or a last resort or ANYTHING.

She better clean toilets instead of that!

There is no religious excuse but there might be social issues that force people into prostitution. Some see it as a financial solution if they have no other option of surviving.

Prostitution is normally far from a good living. I imagine most prostitutes would rather have a job cleaning floors and keep thier independence and dignity.

Drugs are one of the most common forms of getting women into prostitution. Many traffickers of prostitutes find vulnerable women e.g. homeless teenagers in Eastern Europe, and introduce them to a drug habit, usuall heroin. Of course the first few times are free, until the woman is properly addicted, then she has to "work" for her habit. The links between drugs and prostitution gangs are strong.

Most prostitutes you see in the Gulf countires are tricked or blackmailed into it. They are poor people who get offered a job in e.g. the UAE, go there, and are told that they will be prostitutes, unless they want to pay back inflated fees, travel costs etc which of course they can't afford. Many also have the problem that their agents who trick them into traveling to the foreign country, have brought them there illegally. This makes them afraid to go to authorities for help. In countries like the GCC, the "sponsorship" system means that even though they are there legally, they are effective prisoners of the sponsor. It is a brutal and disgusting business, in which we should view the majority of prostitutes as the victims, not the criminals.

I read a book by Paulo Coelho about the subject.. called "eleven minutes".. kinda interesting.. where the woman was promised a modelling job, and instead ended up performing shows for audiences.. and eventually private prostitution.. what got her to actually doing it had something to do with "finding herself".. as well as poverty..

still thinking about them.. yekh.. how low can ya go!!

When you don't have anything to worry about, dignity, religion, society, people than why not, if the only thing that matters is living today.

Its easier to judge when u're not in the situation , and so as an outsider i would say that i seriously am not in place to judge if she had an excuse or not to go into that path.

If she has been forced to do it, I think I can't blam her & I Don't mean the financial situation here, but as some of you mentioned above kidnapping kidds & sending them to other countries to force them 4 such acts!!
But The needy ladies can work even as a servant or dishe's washer instead of selling them selves & their bodies for a lil money!

Prostitutes are almost always the vitcims of a crime. They should be helped, not condemned as criminals. The criminals are the traffickers, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials, the Khaleeji "sponsor" usurers, and the men who use prostitutes and in my mind are no better than rapists. If I believed in Hell, I might want them to burn in it.

i secound what mimo said

IF u believed in hell? :o u mean u dont?

Its easier to judge when u're not in the situation , and so as an outsider i would say that i seriously am not in place to judge if she had an excuse or not to go into that path.

Very true, living among good social security you won't be able to guess what the hell goes on some people in some poorest countries dear friends.

DO u know there are thousands of people who eats 1 time a day?
:scary:

Some times more than that :bang:

Its easier to judge when u're not in the situation , and so as an outsider i would say that i seriously am not in place to judge if she had an excuse or not to go into that path.
Always the same answer. Passive too much passive.

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=415612&postcount=15 (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=415612&postcount=15)

Nabhan ...
There are things that you don't have to try them to get to know how they feel. Not every thing has an excuse. There are things in our religion that doesn't have any excuse, and really it is not wise to make a statement defending their causes because there is no cause could be accepted as valid (whatsoever that cause will be).
It is good to feel other people, but to generalize it will be no wise at all.

Sorry for the way I put it, but couldn't help replaying in this way. It is not against you, but against your ideas.

Always the same (wise) answer. Passive too much passive.

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=415612&postcount=15

Nabhan ...
There are things that you don't have to try them to get to know how they feel. Not every thing has an excuse.Mohammed said a muslim can eat a pig if there is no other food available ... correct?

JackYes to save your life you can do the worst if there is not a single better option.

Mohammed said a muslim can eat a pig if there is no other food available ... correct?
But he never allowed a woman to commit adultery if she is going to die from starvation. There are levels of "Haram" (forbidden). Prostitution is on the highest level of "Haram".
If you eat pig meat you are not entitled to death, but if you commit Zina (prostitution / adultery) you are entitled to death.
What do you think?

But few of us do adultery, how are we still alive?!

Do you kill a person if s/he do adultery in OMAN ???

But he never allowed a woman to commit adultery if she is going to die from starvation. There are levels of "Haram" (forbidden). Prostitution is on the highest level of "Haram".
If you eat pig meat you are not entitled to death, but if you commit Zina (prostitution / adultery) you are entitled to death.
What do you think?Ok ... the cats out of the bag and let's talk about it.

I see "exceptions" for most anything "except" the first 2 pillars of islam.

Take for example "usury/interest". A muslim is allowed interest (which by arby is 36 times zina) when you are at a distinct disadvantage in financial dealings.

The exceptions are there time after time. The thing is it is up to a muslim to make sure the exceptions are valid in their particular case.

Shall we go on? ;)

Islamic Law Enforcers Victimize Christian Women in Nigeria


Charges of prostitution lead to heavy fines and reported lashings.

by Obed Minchakpu

KADUNA, Nigeria, January 26 (Compass) -- Christian leaders in northern Nigeria report that enforcement of the Islamic legal code known as sharia is continuing despite protests and drastically impinges on the religious liberty of Christians and other non-Muslims in that part of the country.

According to reports from the states of Zamfara, Bauchi, and Borno, 23 Christian women have been arraigned in Islamic courts over charges ranging from non-compliance with the Muslim dress code to prostitution for refusing to marry early.

On December 30, 2003, fifteen Christian women in the Sabon Gari area of Gussau town were arrested by the Islamic law enforcement unit of the Zamfara state government and stand accused of prostitution, Compass has learned.

Leaders of the Zamfara state chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) said that the accusations of prostitution were false, explaining that under the Islamic law code, every woman is expected to be married by the age of 13. Any woman found not to have complied with this requirement is considered a prostitute.

“A woman not married, irrespective of her religious background, is seen by Muslim enforcers of the sharia as a prostitute,” said Rev. Linus Awuhe, CAN chairman in Zamfara state. “This is why most single Christian women -- whether working or not -- are seen as prostitutes and are being harassed by those enforcing Islamic law here.”

link+http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/nigeria-women-christian.html

what kind of Islam is this?

fatak

Islamic Law Enforcers Victimize Christian Women in Nigeria


Charges of prostitution lead to heavy fines and reported lashings.

by Obed Minchakpu

KADUNA, Nigeria, January 26 (Compass) -- Christian leaders in northern Nigeria report that enforcement of the Islamic legal code known as sharia is continuing despite protests and drastically impinges on the religious liberty of Christians and other non-Muslims in that part of the country.

According to reports from the states of Zamfara, Bauchi, and Borno, 23 Christian women have been arraigned in Islamic courts over charges ranging from non-compliance with the Muslim dress code to prostitution for refusing to marry early.

On December 30, 2003, fifteen Christian women in the Sabon Gari area of Gussau town were arrested by the Islamic law enforcement unit of the Zamfara state government and stand accused of prostitution, Compass has learned.

Leaders of the Zamfara state chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) said that the accusations of prostitution were false, explaining that under the Islamic law code, every woman is expected to be married by the age of 13. Any woman found not to have complied with this requirement is considered a prostitute.

“A woman not married, irrespective of her religious background, is seen by Muslim enforcers of the sharia as a prostitute,” said Rev. Linus Awuhe, CAN chairman in Zamfara state. “This is why most single Christian women -- whether working or not -- are seen as prostitutes and are being harassed by those enforcing Islamic law here.”

what kind of Islam is this?

fatak
Please supply us with the source of the original text, because what is mentioned here is not Islam, it is “COCO JAMBO”

Ok ... the cats out of the bag and let's talk about it.

I see "exceptions" for most anything "except" the first 2 pillars of islam.

Take for example "usury/interest". A muslim is allowed interest (which by arby is 36 times zina) when you are at a distinct disadvantage in financial dealings.

The exceptions are there time after time. The thing is it is up to a muslim to make sure the exceptions are valid in their particular case.

Shall we go on? ;)
Who said so?
Please (Non-Muslim members who are posting here), don’t post garbage information and then come back and say it as a fact!

Advice:
Too Much TV is not good for your health!

Fataks post about the charges of prostitution was really horrifying to read... any woman above the age of 13 unmarried is a prositute?? This is most definitely not Islam, nor is it any other religion that I've heard of. It's injustice pure and simple.

jack: It is true that in Islam when someone is in a bad position in which the halal is unattainable, they can turn to haram as a last resort, in order to save themselves from a life or death situation. If the only food I could find was pork, and I was about to starve, I would eat pork. If for some reason the only drink around was alcohol and I was really dehydrated, I would drink.
But using my own values here, not including what Islam says, if I was a homeless person, and no one would offer me a job or even give me charity or was denied any kind of help, and the ONLY ONLY ONLY option to survive is prostitution (which is highly unlikely but could still happen) I would rather die. I don't see the point in arguing about it, when the women should just simply ask herself this question: Can I live with myself, knowing that I've used my body as a tool in such a way, just to get money?

I would rather die.That's hard for me to believe, but if you say so.

Too Much TV is not good for your health!Now Haroundb ... I watch very little TV. It's there in the hadiths. Are you saying the hadith is not valid?

its true lol!! well i mean i can't say that im 100% sure about that since thank God i was never actually in that position, so I don't really know what it feels like. But right now, thinking about it logically, death does seem like a better option than living with that cloud over my head. Of course, when living in the scenario that I depicted earlier, logic may be forgotten and people would do things that they would NEVER usually do. I just hope that no matter what I lose, I still have a clear head to think with!!:os

Now Haroundb ... I watch very little TV. It's there in the hadiths. Are you saying the hadith is not valid?

Which Hadith, give me the script or the location and I will check it.

People throw around what is written in the Quran or not allowed in Islam without really knowing it for sure. They just pass along what they THINK or what they have HEARD from so called Muslims, including those "experts" who are often the most manipulative and ill informed people.

Allah intended for us to read and understand the Quran as His words, interpret them for OURSELVES, and live a life that we thought would honour His wishes... not listen to other people who will not be judged for our actions on that day on which we appear before God. Others can and, in almost all cases, do manipulate the word of Allah to suit their opinions or agendas ... and as I have said elsewhere, if I am to be judged by Him, I want it to be based on what I know and understand rather than on someone else's interpretation that can be manipulated!

So much of this discussion is worthless because the information put forward is completely incorrect! Prostitution has nothing to do with rape or adultery, rather it is about power, helplessness, manipulation, money and many other things. Prostitution is a totally different form of sin against the wishes of God. However, He, and only He, can judge who is right or wrong ... and deliver the appropriate retribution.

People conveniently forget the ability of men, including those who were married, who go to war taking temporary wives to meet their "needs" ... what was that if not a sanctioned form of prostitution? Where did these women come from? What was their role in society after they fulfilled this need? Do we not know this to be true?

One should feel free to offer their opinion ... and expect it to be respected ... and I see that all over this community which is why I have chosen to be a part of it. But to involve religion, especially when the claims are not supported by the word of God, is irresponsible as well as inappropriate! Talk about the social impact or moral consequences ... but to state religious absolutes is not productive because most people doing that are just plain wrong! Prostitution is a complex issue and will certainly evoke discussion ... however, shouldnt we be responsible and accurate?

That's hard for me to believe, but if you say so.



Its dangerous to try to apply your codes of conduct, and your values and morality universally. To fatamoo, it may be absolutely disgusting to do such a thing. For you, you may not consider it as 'dirty' and thus in that situation may do it. We are all different.

excellent post by solitude, and I agree. Welcome to sabla dude :)

Its dangerous to try to apply your codes of conduct, and your values and morality universally. To fatamoo, it may be absolutely disgusting to do such a thing. For you, you may not consider it as 'dirty' and thus in that situation may do it. We are all different.You are correct ... I still say I can't see commiting suicide as fatomoo said to be a viable solution and one that only very few would actually do when confronted in real life.

To bring it back to the original question: it depends what you mean by "excuse".

There are plenty, upon plenty, of "reasons" why it happens. And there are no doubt plenty upon plenty of "excuses". But that does not mean that any are excusable.

Why would a woman need an excuse to be a prostitute ?

Is prostitution necessarily a bad thing ?