Why is there no fatwa?

[plutarch]

When Salman Rushdie wrote a book there were fatwa's over his defaming of Islam. There were many imams (MANY) who rushed to support and aid in legitimitzations of these fatwas some of which called for his death.

Yet since Sept 11, 2001 there has been not ONE SINGLE fatwa on this planet against OBL or any supporter for defaming Islam.

No single human being has done more harm to Islam as this man in the last 1400 years.

The entire western world wants to believe Islam IS a religion of peace, but we sit here scratching our chins, ............WAITING and wondering.
Are the moderate muslims wrong?


'O Sheikh of the Slaughterers, Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, Go Forth in the Straight Path, Guided by Allah'

'Among Those Who Fell to that Happy Dagger were a Mighty Infidel Tyranny and an Idol Worshipped Instead of Allah'

"'May your hand be strengthened!' - so said all those who saw the video that showed the slaying of the Egyptian spy in service of the American army in Iraq – I mean all those of the true faith.

"You are wrong if you think that it was only the Egyptian spy who was slain. No, for among those who fell to that happy dagger were a mighty infidel tyranny and an idol who is worshipped instead of Allah; did you not see this as he was slain?!

"A spy has been slain, one spy among others, and the Jihad fighter [who slew him] has come closer to Allah by way of his [the spy's] blood. Yet what is the novelty in this lowly spy whose slaying we have seen these very days? The novelty, and we ask of Allah that there be more [like him], is that a spy has been slain, and this spy looked like an Arab, had an Arab name, and spoke Arabic! The novelty lies in the triumph of the faith in the one God and in the raising of the banner of 'There is no God but Allah' over and above all other allegiances, be they of ethnicity, language, identity, or nationality."

'Whosoever is the Enemy of Allah, We are His Enemy … Arab or Non-Arab, Near or Far – They are All the Same'

"'You shall find no believers in Allah and in the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred. Allah has inscribed the Faith in their very hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit of His own. He will admit them to gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell forever. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are the party of Allah, and Allah's party will surely triumph
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD79704
Why is this imam not papered over in fully justified fatwas?

[Scorpio27]

What Fatwa are you talking about plutarch brother ? please clarify!:(
What you were expecting and why?

[amo_l_oman]

OBL, without any authority launched a couple of Fatwas against the US and the West, while no scholar has ever done it against him.
Why Hasnain?

[plutarch]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312270828/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-6126293-0196158#reader-link

Look around in there if you CAN, and you dare.
If you cannot, please let me know.

Upon the publication of this volume, Mr Rushdie IMMEDIATELY found himself under a death fatwa, then many others, from a fellow named Khomeini, additionally, thte wahabbi were not real far behind.

Today, 3 years after 3000 americans, more than were killed at Pearl Harbor which added us to a war that killed 45 MILLION PEOPLE, were incinerated and crushed by 19 muslims operating under a 1998 fatwa by Bin Laden, no imam, mullah or other personage fro Qum to Al Azhar has acted against someone who has caused more harm to islam than ANYONE else from the right guided 4 to today.

No one.

WHY?

[Scorpio27]

Okay, its 5:30 am. Got to take a Nap, lets see what fatwa comes by then :(
Take care

[Scorpio27]

I don't like Fatwas & I don't want fatwas.
To err is human so there are huge chances to give wrong fatwas:)

[Cetacea]

-Double standards
-False ego - Muslims/Arabs can never be wrong
-Moderate Imams are afraid of repercussions if they dare to issue a fatwa or simply speak out against OBL, al-Zaqarwi or any other thugs who have committed crimes in the name of Islam.

[CrazyReD]

hmm never thought of that
I believe there should be a fatwa I need to search and see what the shia have to say about all this

[Haroundb]

Salman Rushdie was attacking Islam and making fun of it, with no reason but sick mind, he was writing books which will be published and spread his wrong ideas. OBL is simply re-acting for what he see as American Double standards in the middle east due the mutual interests between USA and Israel.

If you go and kill someone’s brother, and then ask Imams to issue a Fatwa that this man shouldn’t react against his brother killing, then you will be a fool. What would be the difference if America is not killing Muslims but giving guns to Israel to kill them, what would you consider that, mutual understanding?

If OBL is reacting in that way (wrong for sure) but still you can’t blame him for it all, USA also has to prove that he is wrong, and his hate against it is without a reason. This will happen if USA stopped it’s support to Israel, then you can give people who believe in what OBL says, a good chance to think it again. They don’t understand the wonderful answer like ‘Mutual Understanding between USA and Israel’ even an ***** will not give an answer like this. Give a real answer why USA is supporting Israel, and then immediately millions of Fatwas will be issued against OBL.

USA is giving the chance for OBL to prove he is right for the whole Islamic nation by continuing in its bath. And as far as USA keeps doing this, more believers of OBL will try to do worse than what happened in 09/11. Think it again, and you will get to understand what I am telling you.

OBL is just the begging, and even if USA managed to kill OBL (if he is not dead already), killing him will not solve any problem and there will be millions of Bin Laden in the coming years. Either USA is fighting terrorism or not, they will grow more, nothing will stop this except USA itself, when it realizes that it is time to look in the mirror and re-think its policy in the ME. But asking for Fatwas against OBL is the most silly thing I have ever heard, because this will not stop people from believing in him but will give him more believers than before.

Conclusion… OBL is not the problem…open your eyes and see where is the problem…, or better close it and speak what you want, no one really cares of what you will say.

[amo_l_oman]

Why are you trying to find excuses for OBL?

[Haroundb]

Not finding excuses, steering discussion.

[MaterialBoy]

Salman Rushdie is the author of "The Satanic Verses"
It basically portrays the prophet as a sex crazed liar....something like that

[DeSerTDesTroYeR]

Moved to Islam Sabla....

[KMH]

In less moderate and less educated countries, Fatwa is a disease as most of the mawlanas are illiterate they only memorizes Holy Quran but don't know the actual morals of it. So they misuse, miss interprets and some times abuse it for their won health. Sorry but this is true, especially in underdeveloped countries like Bangladesh and so on.

It hurts all moderate Muslims and others.


:(

[Desert_Sloath]

i_i_i, think we have to search for the guy who declared 'fatwa' against the USSR in the Afghan to understand the acts of OBL in his political life/business time.


Don't you think so ?

Who is this OBL anyway, why am i talking of a guy i never knew ?


Are you guys in "THE WEST" implying OBL as a neo-prophet of Islam, sort of, ?
Otherwise, how can one blame ISLAM whose prophet is not called OBL ?




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[jack]

Haroundb
Give a real answer why USA is supporting Israel, and then immediately millions of Fatwas will be issued against OBL.In your learned opinion ...

What would that reason be ?

[plutarch]

You are saying that in order to get the jews OBL will be permitted to slander, defame, deform and otherwise pile manure on the Prophet, the Quran, and God.
I just want to be sure I understand your thinking.

Either OBL and his fatwas represent Islam or they do not.



Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998

Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."


On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."


Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."


Is this and the actions it caused, Islam or not?

If it is...SAY SO

If it is not, please explain why the originator of this fatwa has not faced the barrage of fatwas which would follow if I caused tens of millions (at a minimum) of westerners to think of Islam as a religion of violent aggressive mass murdering beheaders?

By the way Haroundb, if you had ever listened to Mr Rushdie you would know he was ABSOLUTELY NOT making fun of Islam. He is a deadly serious individual. RIght or wrong, he was not making fun

[jack]

By the way Haroundb, if you had ever listened to Mr Rushdie you would know he was ABSOLUTELY NOT making fun of Islam. He is a deadly serious individual. RIght or wrong, he was not making funAnd even if he was making fun of Islam ...

Is it poor judgement ...?

Is it lack of knowledge ...?

Is it just bad taste ...?

Is it criminal ...? To be punished by death :rolleyes:

[Enigma]

Yet since Sept 11, 2001 there has been not ONE SINGLE fatwa on this planet against OBL or any supporter for defaming Islam.

Really?

All's it takes is a search on google to display the tons and tons of denouncing & apologies muslim leaders and groups did after 9/11.

Do you read around?

[amo_l_oman]

But no Fatwa which is more powerful

[CrazyReD]

It's not Islam from my understanding of Islam
why hasn't he faced the barrage of fatwas i'm still trying to find an answer for that

[Scorpio27]

I Am Against Fatwa.
None Has The Right To Give Fatwa.
You Can Go To Court But Cant Follow, Pronounce Or Support Fatwa.
Who The Hell A Man Is To Give Fatwa.
Now A Day There Is No Such Scholar Who Is Not Biased.
I Serious. For The Fatwa In Our Country Many Girls Had To Die.
Bullsh** . Extreamism Is Not Supported By Allah.

[Wanderer]

Salman Rushdie was attacking Islam and making fun of it, with no reason but sick mind, he was writing books which will be published and spread his wrong ideas.
Conclusion… OBL is not the problem…open your eyes and see where is the problem…, or better close it and speak what you want, no one really cares of what you will say.


Ah, the "Books containing the author's ideas are bad" arguement.

You only need one Book, eh, Haroundb ? Well, and then there's that magazine under your pillow.

[plutarch]

next to the words of Tantawi in this matter.


NOTHING

Yet HE is on the other side

So is Qaradawi


Why is Al Azhar silent on fatwa against OBL?

Where is King Abdul Aziz University's School of Islam's fatwa making it the individual duty of muslims to turn in this MASS MURDERER

The whole world is watching and there is SILENCE in this matter

If we twitch an eyebrow an avalanche of paper beginning with "In the name of Allah the most merciful...." flows INSTANTLY.

Yet for an act which colors Islam for eternity, and an attack which was more heinous than that which began WW2 (and torched 45 million), there is a deafening 'Silence of the Fatwas'

WHY?

[HITMAN]

Mr-Salman Rushdie is far better than Bin Laden...

Enigma, ok i apologise on the behalf of Rusdhie, is it enough?

why dont ppl accept it that those so called religious leaders r a bunch of losers with double standards!

[amo_l_oman]

those so called religious leaders r a bunch of losers with double standards!
Not really, but if i was one of them and issued a Fatwa against OBL then my ***** would start trembling lil bit.

[CrazyReD]

I agree with Hitman
I'm glad I don't call any my religious leaders

[jack]

With no fatwa against OBL, I have to believe that mainstream religious leaders must agree with OBLs “goal” in principle which is deeply rooted in “shari” law.

And also the more fanatical religious leaders in fact believe in OBLs methods. So why would they be issuing fatwas?

If the mainstream religious leaders ( and many many muslims) didn’t at least agree with OBLs “goal”, fatwas would be condemning OBL.


If my thinking is wrong ... then please show me!

[HITMAN]

is it me or this question is being dodged? :duh:

[jack]

is it me or this question is being dodged? :duh:yes it is ...

[ToomuchaT]

fatwa 1 :

~ everyone has the right to defend his/her country not just the american!

fatwa 2:

~ if your neighbour was attacked dont remain silent coz the enemy will start with u when he is done with ur neighbour.. prepare very well!


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[CrazyReD]

just a question

isnt a fatwa issued when not alot of people know abuot whats going on

like a fatwa against russhdi because not many ppl knew what he wrote about?

[EarThQuaKe]

If I only know what you are talking about, then I might help.

BTW. whats OBL.

thanks :)

[Scorpio27]

If I only know what you are talking about, then I might help.

BTW. whats OBL.

thanks :)

Osma Bin Laden:D

[EarThQuaKe]

fatwa 1 :

~ everyone has the right to defend his/her country not just the american!

fatwa 2:

~ if your neighbour was attacked dont remain silent coz the enemy will start with u when he is done with ur neighbour.. prepare very well!


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Wahabi said:
The americans have the right to attack Iraq...
Last week another fatwa came stating that its haram to fight against america in iraq...(stated by the mufti of KSA -Alshaikh)
Few years ago ibn uthaimeen stated that a suicide bomer whether in iraq palastine or any other place will go to hell forever. P.S.: wahabies believe in there aqidah that any person who says shahadah will go to heaven, but suicide boomers are a special case like maybe tan 0. :D

Shaikh Ahmed Khalili said:
A person is not authorised to kill himself (its haram), but jihad is a must and fighting against the enemy is a must (farth)... from this he concluded that a muslim can comit a suicide booming, but he has to believe first that he is doing this to attack the enemy not to kill himself and if he found a way of saving himself then he has to take the opportunity. :)

[EarThQuaKe]

Osma Bin Laden:D


Osama bin laden is a wahabi who was kicked from KSA because he did not the wahabi aqeda in a place.

Wahabi aqeda stats: You do not have a permission to overthrow a king fullstop. If they are good, bad or the worst, you have to obey whatever they say.

In wahabi's aqeeda, OBL (as you say) is kafir....


In Ibadhism, Shaikh's dont and will never issue a fatwa against a person. They issue fatwa's about the act he committed. When wahabis invaded oman 2 centuries ago, the sheikhs did not state that they are kafirs, instead they said that we have to defend ourselves, in the other hand, wahabies invaded KSA itself and Oman because they believe they are kafirs.

[plutarch]

The answer makes a mockery of the phrase "moderate cleric"


OXYMORON