View Full Version : Do Shiite's believe our Quran is incomplete or altered?
I've been reading around, and this is not the first time I've read so, that the Shiite's believe the Quran to be incomplete, wrongly interpreted, and even altered!!!
I find this shocking and slightly insulting coming from a muslim person. No offense to any Shiites on board (I don't know if you all believe it to be altered) but one Quranic verse comes to mind and repeats itself to anyone who would claim such:
‘‘We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)’’ (Al-Hijr: 9)
So why do some think this? Is it a popular belief amongs the shiites?
Pineapple Thief
25-08-04, 01:42 AM
Ive never heard this to be so. Everything Ive ever heard says that it is complete, and thats not a sectarian belief, that applies to anyone who calls himself a muslim, as far as I know. Its one of the big principles of Islam, isnt it?
Wrongly interpreted: thats a much larger question, which has been discussed here. Each sect interprets certain sections somewhat differently.
Enigma, Id like a link please, if possible.
Not just something I've read, but heard too.
And I won't give you the link I was just reading, otherwise it would ruin the discussion I'm patiently awaiting :)
amo_l_oman
25-08-04, 01:51 AM
Some source is necessary to have a complete idea of the issue.
Same as PT, i heard non Muslims saying so but not any sect.
Pineapple Thief
25-08-04, 01:53 AM
Exerts then (however you spell it). I for one am afraid to comment with authority in religious threads, because generally I have none, but I can say that many shi3as are quite different, and have different beliefs over certain things. Although I think they're pretty universal about this :os
Well one friend has told me that we don't have the original Quran with us, and that it was given to one of the Sahaba.. the one we've copied all the Qurans off of is not from the original one that was written.
I'm not going to post a link, and for those of you who, like me, don't understand much about all this, we can sit back and wait for someone to explain it and then we'll join in to be able to reply. Patience people!
Pineapple Thief
25-08-04, 02:24 AM
:) I await the coming of IceTea.
Although I have a suspicion that hes run off and become a catholic priest :(
Arabian Princess
25-08-04, 08:48 AM
never heared of this .. and I doubt it.
Lets hearr what Shiaa on board say about this.
Muscati
25-08-04, 11:47 AM
Sorry AP, I'm not going to waste my time replying to such a ridiculous question.
Why is it ridiculous? You've never heard of it or don't agree?
Arabian Princess
25-08-04, 12:31 PM
Muscati, but this is an important Question .. and I dont think Enigma is trying to redicule your sect at all .. its good to tell us coz if it was wrong and I heared somone saying that about Shiaa I could answer them.
el7ilwa
25-08-04, 12:58 PM
I didn't hear this from my "shi3a" friends, but read it some where here, & I prefere to not comment about that cauz some ppl wont like my comment :rolleyes:
Pineapple Thief
25-08-04, 01:20 PM
I think its been somewhat established that, if it is truly a shi3a view at all, it is far from mainstream. Perhaps now elements can be introduced to the discussion so that it can be furthered? I would really like to know more about this claim. Theres a lot of talk about shi3as Ive heard which is plain untrue, Im interested in knowing if this is one of them. :)
Muscati
25-08-04, 02:01 PM
How shall I put it: anyone who believes that the Quran is incomplete wouldn't be a muslim. I think that I am logical person who knows right from wrong. I am a shi3i not because I was born one, but because I chose to remain one.
Put down your silk gloves. If you want to say something like shi3a aren't muslims come out and say it. Don't dance around and say stuff like "oh I heard this but I don't know if it's true". Just come out and say it. What in the world does "No offense to any Shiites on board" mean? What else could it be but an offense. If you think I'm a kafir come out and say it.
Where's Mr Ice Tea to come pour some gas over this fire in the name of islamic unity?
People try so hard to show how wrong shi3i's are..and i find it really rediculous. I dont recomend reading about shi3a's and their believes cause its often altered and incorrect and so its always best to just ask a true and practicing shi3i. :)
Arabian Princess
25-08-04, 02:09 PM
People try so hard to show how wrong shi3i's are..and i find it really rediculous. I dont recomend reading about shi3a's and their believes cause its often altered and incorrect and so its always best to just ask a true and practicing shi3i.
exactly!!! I dont recommend reading about any religion or site unless from a beleiver coz he can tell you what they beleive in and what they dont beleive in and you can judge later on what you have.
Muscati, if I have offended you in anyway by asking the question I am really sorry, its just that I was shocked and wanted to hear the answer from a shi3aa side.
Muscati I have absolutely nothing against shiites, my best friend is one! I don't think that they are not true muslims, I would be stupid to say so.
My question was about what I've heard from people and what I read online last night, I don't see why ppl are getting sensitive about this. If you are confident about your sect then why the defensiveness? I have never, I repeat, never said anything bad about the shiites. Go through all my posts in Sabla and you'll find that much is true.
I merely asked, what people thought of this. And its quite obvious I'm not the only one who's heard such, Elle has said the same too. If you think I started this thread to flame the shiites on board then I feel sorry you think so.
This is what I was reading last night, hopefully people will think twice before they hurridely judge someone's question in the future:
http://islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=117545
Nabhan, I meant no offense. I'm dissapointed you of all people would think that was my intention.
I had hoped that we could discuss the small portion of people who don't believe the Quran is original (and there are some as you will have read from my link). I didn't denounce a sect, just started a discussion about a percentage of ppl from that sect who claim as such.
Muscati
25-08-04, 03:47 PM
That link which you provided has the answer in it.
Which is exactly why I refused to post it in the first place. I wanted to have a discussion amongst the members!
amo_l_oman
25-08-04, 04:20 PM
I'm dissapointed you of all people would think that was my intention.
I had hoped that we could discuss the small portion of people who don't believe the Quran is original (and there are some as you will have read from my link). I didn't denounce a sect, just started a discussion about a percentage of ppl from that sect who claim as such.
Sorry to have disappointed you, but don't you think you did more with others here? Muscati got it right since the beginning, no need of wars also within a discussion board, as if there were few outside.
You could have brought the issue to our attention and could have commented, people like me who are in need more than you to know about Islam would have had more benefits.
You and others here give your back to non Muslims when asking about Islam cause you assume they do it just to tease: ok i agree that part of them act like that while another part is ready to listen and argue, is obvious, people wanna use brain, don't think is a sin.
So i think this was a waste of time while you could have been more useful in many other threads.
End of the story.
Arabian Princess
25-08-04, 04:26 PM
cool down people .. Enigma was trying to prove a point that not all what you hear about shi3is is true, but didnt it in another way.
Soo now we establish that whats said is wrong .. alhamdulilah :)
Don't you think it's hypocritical for one to 'discuss' the inferiority or divergent beliefs of another denomination?
Aren't you guys all supposed to Muslims? Why nitpick differences? Why be such a dividing force among yourselves?
You can take two FAMILIES ... Same religion, same sects who will choose to worship their faith differently ...
Doesn't that tell you it is an ignorant game to play ... or is that the point?
amo, I already explained everything so I won't answer you. Though I find it unfair of you to say I've given my 'back' to non muslims when they've wanted to discuss, I've always been a fair player here and am hated by extreme muslims on board because of it. Join their club ;)
Pretender I don't recall questioning anyone's inferiority, beats me where & how you came up with that. I asked why some shiities questioned the authenticy of the Quran, nothing more.
Pineapple Thief
25-08-04, 06:16 PM
Im glad this thread was made. It established at least one thing: that shi3as dont believe such a thing. If any member of sabla believed this to be the case, then by now they should know better.
Thus, Sabla promotes understanding! :D
Thanks niggy
Nabhan, I meant no offense. I'm dissapointed you of all people would think that was my intention.
My words werent directed to u at all , but i was just trying to show that not everything u read is correct. had i wanted to attack u i would have typed ur nickname or quoted u. I am the one who should be dissapointed that u would think that i attacked u there. :rolleyes: , there is no need to get too sensitive enigma. ;)
Pretender I don't recall questioning anyone's inferiority, beats me where & how you came up with that. I asked why some shiities questioned the authenticy of the Quran, nothing more.
When you say someone is wrong your implying inferiority in their beliefs.
As for the rest ... this 'discussion' ... your 'question' ... it is all divisive hoop-la.
:scratch:
Haroundb
26-08-04, 12:52 AM
Enigma is under attack!
Close the thread and save yourself the trouble.
What makes you a muslim is that you believe in God, and that you believe that the Quran is true, and you go by it, since it's the most precious thing to each and every muslim.
Each sect would interpret some parts differently, but they do agree on the major things don't they? So there are no wrong interpretations!
I think this answers the question.
Sorry to trouble you guys.........as a non muslim......
I thought the most important thing was the 5 pillars of Islam........that made you a muslim believer......period.
What are the main conflicting points between Islamic sects?
Sayid fatak
Pineapple Thief
30-10-05, 02:24 AM
depending on who you ask, some would say the war in iraq! :rolleyes:
UmKhalid
30-10-05, 05:13 AM
La snneya La Aba'9eya La Shi3ia Kelna Omma Islameya (y)
what u guys say is true...
we as muslims DO have the same belief of one g-d and the other 4 pillars of islam...
the difference in all sections occurs when it comes to how to practice islam, but at the end, we're worshiping the same one g-d!!
"yassiro walla to3assiro....bashiro wala tonafiro"
Prophet Mohammed PUH
:)
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