How many missing children are there?

Answer: The problem of missing children is complex and multifaceted. There are different types of missing children including family abductions; endangered runaways; nonfamily abductions; and lost, injured, or otherwise missing children. The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

To date two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1) was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

http://www.cybertipline.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=242


What do you think the main reasons behind such problems and what sort of damage can cause to the person and the society in general?

Do you think if the western societies follow the Islamic teachings they will overcome such problems?

Do you think if the western societies follow the Islamic teachings they will overcome such problems?

I think non-muslims and all western socities will be even better than us if they follow the Islamic teaching. They have a very strong belief, and stick to what they're taught! You see, many people who became Muslims strictly follow the Islamic rules and try not to do sins... because they fully agree in everything Islam says about us and what humans should and should not do.
So yes, I think they will overcome such problems if they follow the rules that are set for the Islamic society.

Do you think if the western societies follow the Islamic teachings they will overcome such problems?

I think non-muslims and all western socities will be even better than us if they follow the Islamic teaching. They have a very strong belief, and stick to what they're taught! You see, many people who became Muslims strictly follow the Islamic rules and try not to do sins... because they fully agree in everything Islam says about us and what humans should and should not do.
So yes, I think they will overcome such problems if they follow the rules that are set for the Islamic society.

Don't you think the very idea and range of sins, considered by Islam and Westerners are different? I really can't see how the Western societies can do any better if there followed the Islamic lifestyle. :os

I really can't see how the Western societies can do any better if there followed the Islamic lifestyle. :os

Islamic teachings is something, those who practice them is different if i get what you mean.
Not necessarily some of the bad things which are affecting this world can be cured or thrown apart with Islamic way: a lil bit of common sense and going back to a truely human behaviour would be enough, and that is part of islamic teachings also .

I really can't see how the Western societies can do any better if there followed the Islamic lifestyle. :os

I will give you an example, in the west it's something normal for the girl to have a boyfriend in public, bring him to her family house and allow him to enter her room and do what they want to do. In Islam such things not allowed because it will only end up in spoiling the girl. Do you see the difference?

yes, i think they would have a better life indeed!

I will give you an example, in the west it's something normal for the girl to have a boyfriend in public, bring him to her family house and allow him to enter her room and do what they want to do. In Islam such things not allowed because it will only end up in spoiling the girl. Do you see the difference?

Girls in an Islamic society do it too. Except for pre-marital sex (which happens, but rarely) maybe? Repression causes people to consider their love-life private too.

And how does that spoil a girl? 9/10 girls that I know want to "date" and know a guy prior to marrying him. The 10th deserves to be teleported back into stone age. And a good % of these 10 girls come from the Islamic society too. Dude, you need to wake up to the new age.

Girls in an Islamic society do it too. Except for pre-marital sex (which happens, but rarely) maybe?

This is what he meant, after marriage they can have the relationship they want cauz it's legal, & the childrens get the right to ascribe their father name.

And how does that spoil a girl? 9/10 girls that I know want to "date" and know a guy prior to marrying him.
The 10th deserves to be teleported back into stone age. And a good % of these 10 girls come from the Islamic society too. Dude, you need to wake up to the new age.

Knowing some who claimed they r muslim girls doesn't allow u to put your generalizing percentage to all muslim girls!!
If being respectable girl means she deserves to get back to the stone ages, I would like to go back Home dude :yes:

el7ilwa, good answer ;)

el7ilwa, good answer ;)
I don't need words I need reputation points :yes: :angel:

looooooool :laugh:

loool, I'm planing to give you without saying :p

If being respectable girl means she deserves to get back to the stone ages, I would like to go back Home dude :yes:


el7iwa I am not disagreeing with you, but what shinoda is saying is correct, times have changed. Many girls do want to have a love marriage and the way to do that is that they need to know the guy before hand. With a traditional/arranged/he comes to propose and you get to know each other, for some girls that does not appeal to them, they want to search for someone whom they are compatible with rather than be stuck with someone who may not be compatible at all, just because he proposed and he seemed like a good guy at the time of the proposal. It really depends on the type of marriage you're looking for; are you looking for a partner who is compatible with you, or just a man who fills the citeria of a husband. Times are changing, ideas are changing, men also are now looking for a compatible wife not just a woman to be a wife. It depends on what type of marriage that the girl wants. :)

Times are changing, ideas are changing

Does religious values and principles also changing?

Does religious values and principles also changing?

You got me there IceTea, but what I stated was just how most people think nowadays and what's happening around us. It's inevitable.

(P.S. I also want to have a love marriage :p ).

el7ilwa, I wasn't generalizing to "ALL" Muslim girls there either. I know a lot of Muslim girls who wouldn't think about even meeting other guys or talking to them as friends; forget dating them or thinking about a future unless its properly taken through 'family procedures'.

BUT, as Sophis had mentioned, its only a win or win situation if you end up accepting a 'well-known' friend as your soul mate. For all I know, the person I'd end up with through an arranged marriage might be some girl who's got a very bad reputation at some corner of the world. After all, your parents get to know the girl's family (or the guy's) and then think about linking you both together based on the family's reputation ... would have worked in the past, but not really in the present times. Thats all I meant ... I'd rather "know" someone long enough to start thinking about a future, rather than marrying someone whom I've hardly known for a week.

I understand IceTea's point, though ... it kinda gets harder for men who aren't willing to find a suitable lady for themselves, but rather get married to a shy lady who wouldn't have turned you down in front of her parents anyways! :D (Btw, that was a joke Icey ... don't get too touchy now!)

ps/ I'll give you some reputation points for you post. Simple because we haven't had arguments in a long while now! :p

Sophy I agree with you that time is changing & I'm with the idea that partners should know each other before marriage this is acceptable in our religion, but going to bed togeather & GF/Bf relationship I'm not with it @ all...

Shindabo Now I have 2 thank for clarifying your self more & not calling respectable girls idiot ;)
Also I entirely agree with you that u have to know your partner before getting marriage to him/her otherwise u gonna face many troubls, & as u said who knows that arrange married wont offer you a lady who already had a bad reputation from her past..
totally true!


:eyes: U give me reputation points cauz we havn't argued since a while?!!! lol :D

Islam is not the fact, follow your religon which will guide you to good things, that will seed in u moral values and ethics.


Look back a hundred year ,the Christians were conservative then crime and crisis were less. But now...

Joint familly and the founderyless freedom must be curtailed.

Identity crisis, lack of care is leading the kids to go astray.

i still think tht if rules of islam were taken into account and applied in western society, actually.. any society.. half .. no ALL of the problems would disappear

Alot of the problems the west are facing now would disappear If Islam was practised. But that doesnt mean new problems wont arise!

Alot of the problems the west are facing now would disappear If Islam was practisedGive us 5 problems you are speaking of that "does not exist" in the ME ... you know that has been eradicated because of Islam.

Do not exist or are just hidden from sight ? What about problems which are 'transported' to other countries (eg. Planeloads of Arabs on the way to some R&R in Bangkok, bumper to bumper traffic on the saudi causeway on friday nights) ?

Give us 5 problems you are speaking of that "does not exist" in the ME ... you know that has been eradicated because of Islam.

Ok maybe I used the wrong word... let me rephrase my sentence.

Alot of the problems the west are facing now would reduce If Islam was practised.

There you go. How does that sound?

A lot of problems ANYWHERE would decrease if ANY religion was practised faithfully.

Whats so special about Islam ?

Ok maybe I used the wrong word... let me rephrase my sentence.

Alot of the problems the west are facing now would reduce If Islam was practised.

There you go. How does that sound?
Ahh … Do you mean like poverty, illiteracy, unemployment ?

Or do you mean … west needs to conform to Islam moral standards ?

And yes these are trick questions … think before you answer ! :sweat:

do u HONESTLY belive that by placing your religon into western countries will change anything... think again .. its not about the religon ... its simply the way of thinking... the way poeple approach life in every direction .. we jus seem to think were approaching it correctly .. but really do u honestly belive again that we are.... look at how the world has CHANGED .. in all these years.... u do really belive that our religon will help prevent western societies into a world that has already been corrupoted! again i belive that if ANY religon was practised " FAITHFULLY! " it'll lead to a better world for EVERYONE to live in?? wouldnt you all agree with that?? ....

Islam is not the fact, follow your religon which will guide you to good things, that will seed in u moral values and ethics.

Whats so special about Islam ?

Islam is a way of life.

and ? whats so special about Islam ?

as icetea said islam is a way of life and not a religion only, unlike other eeligions islam tells you how to live your life, it shows you the right direction, if you choose it then ALLAH(the creator) will bless you and lets you into heaven, but if you didnt go in the right way islam taught you then ALLAH will punish you because you was given a chance in choosing the right direction but you didnt take it!!!!!!!! ~OMAN! K!NG~

Every society has its brand of troubles, the difference is in the nature of them and the fact that the 'west' is more public about its abnormalities because of their money making news industries. Plus, over there society has nothing to loose by exposing these things because 'reputation' isnt something they give much importance to. If you ask me, their way is much more healthier. The people have the right to know.

as icetea said islam is a way of life and not a religion only, unlike other eeligions islam tells you how to live your life, it shows you the right direction, if you choose it then ALLAH(the creator) will bless you and lets you into heaven, but if you didnt go in the right way islam taught you then ALLAH will punish you because you was given a chance in choosing the right direction but you didnt take it!!!!!!!! ~OMAN! K!NG~

Well said, I hope they will see the light ;)

Every society has its brand of troubles, the difference is in the nature of them and the fact that the 'west' is more public about its abnormalities because of their money making news industries.


There are limits for freedom. Are you telling me it's something normal and healthy if a woman or a man in the west went nacked in the street?


Plus, over there society has nothing to loose by exposing these things because 'reputation' isnt something they give much importance to. If you ask me, their way is much more healthier. The people have the right to know.

I see, so a girl who loose her virginity has nothing to loose. Does that make sense to you, and did you think about the problems which will affect the society because of such acts.

Icetea ...

Give us 5 problems the west has that "does not exist" in the ME because of Islamic way of life ... you know that has been eradicated because of Islam.

I'm making it simple ... 5 should be easy ;)

There are limits for freedom. Are you telling me it's something normal and healthy if a woman or a man in the west went nacked in the street?
Naked in the street? Which street is that? I'd like to know. Ice Tea, you have some really twisted ideas of the west.

jack, it's not a matter of exists or not but how far it exists and is it something normal or ubnormal.

Naked in the street? Which street is that? I'd like to know. Ice Tea, you have some really twisted ideas of the west.

Welcome back :)

Well you can take red light street as example.

jack, it's not a matter of exists or not but how far it exists and is it something normal or ubnormal.Then you are saying that Islam has not eradicated any problems that are common in the west.

All I asked for was 5 out of .................................................

Welcome back :)

Well you can take red light street as example.
Thanks. I have some free time now that the Summer is over.

Red Light Street?? You think men and women just do it on the street? Even in Amsterdam they are not out on the street. Anyway, this discussion is moot because I'm sure Muslims never visit such places. ;)

Ok jack,

One of the weak points which I see in the west is the relation between the children and their parents, somehow it's weak and there is no much respect espacially when the children become an adults. When the parents become old their children don't ask much about them and visit them maybe once in a blue moon. Do you agree with me?

Ok jack,

One of the weak points which I see in the west is the relation between the children and their parents, somehow it's weak and there is no much respect espacially when the children become an adults. When the parents become old their children don't ask much about them and visit them maybe once in a blue moon. Do you agree with me?No ... you are wrong about that assumption.

Dong ... try again.

Thanks. I have some free time now that the Summer is over.

Red Light Street?? You think men and women just do it on the street? Even in Amsterdam they are not out on the street. Anyway, this discussion is moot because I'm sure Muslims never visit such places. ;)

Well where then if not in the street there is only a window, and the girls show themselves nacked for people to buy.

jack, explain why?

jack, explain why?For example ...
Go to any resturant in the states and see the families eating together on a regular basis.

And yes with mama, papa, grandpa and grandmaw :yes:

Well where then if not in the street there is only a window, and the girls show themselves nacked for people to buy.Just between you and I ... how much did they charge ... Tea?

I'm making it simple ... 5 should be easy ;)

Jack…
It is not a matter of 5 or 6 , it is a matter of the amount of people doing it. In all the places there are all the types of people and all types of sins, but the question is how many people are doing it? With Islam we have a very low percentage compared to Non-Muslims countries, for Example:

AIDS
Homosexuality
Alcohol
Drugs
Single Mothers
Homelessness
Women abuse
Crime
Psychological (Spiritual Emptiness)

Check how much Muslims have and how much Non-Muslims have, and then you will get the point.

For example ...
Go to any resturant in the states and see the families eating together on a regular basis.

And yes with mama, papa, grandpa and grandmaw :yes:



That doesn't prove anything. Do you remember the story of the man who died in his room and no one knows about him accept his dog after many days, what does that tells you? A weak family ties right?

And thanks to Haroun for the list.

Jack…
It is not a matter of 5 or 6 , it is a matter of the amount of people doing it. In all the places there are all the types of people and all types of sins, but the question is how many people are doing it? With Islam we have a very low percentage compared to Non-Muslims countries, for Example:

AIDS
Homosexuality
Alcohol
Drugs
Single Mothers
Homelessness
Women abuse
Crime
Psychological (Spiritual Emptiness)

Check how much Muslims have and how much Non-Muslims have, and then you will get the point.Ok ... I'll bring the # s for the west or rather US and you bring the #s for Oman and lets compare the percentages.

Can you get those #s ?

And make sure you include all of Omani population!

Ok ... I'll bring the # s for the west or rather US and you bring the #s for Oman and lets compare the percentages.

Can you get those #s ?
We don't have any numbers ;)
In the most, you will get someting like 0.01% (if possible). So it is hard to find out. Why they should make #s of something which is not available ? :wave:

We don't have any numbers ;)
In the most, you will get someting like 0.01% (if possible). So it is hard to find out. Why they should make #s of something which is not available ? :wave:If you can't verify ...

AIDS
Homosexuality
Alcohol
Drugs
Single Mothers
Homelessness
Women abuse
Crime
Psychological (Spiritual Emptiness)

What you are saying is that you have no idea what these # are. ;)

To be truthful ... I will concede on a percentage basis several of these would be lower in oman. Several would not ... on a percentage basis ;)

jack what do you say about this?


How many missing children are there?

Answer: The problem of missing children is complex and multifaceted. There are different types of missing children including family abductions; endangered runaways; nonfamily abductions; and lost, injured, or otherwise missing children. The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

To date two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1) was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

http://www.cybertipline.com/missing...n_US&PageId=242

Do you really want me to go and find all the stories of the honor killings and post them for you ... Tea?

I'm fixing to go to bed ... but I'll get them first thing in the morning if you insist :p

jack what do you say about this?



How many missing children are there?

Answer: The problem of missing children is complex and multifaceted. There are different types of missing children including family abductions; endangered runaways; nonfamily abductions; and lost, injured, or otherwise missing children. The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

To date two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1) was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

http://www.cybertipline.com/missing...n_US&PageId=242

jack what do you say about this?I'd say better missing and alive than killed to save your family honor :rolleyes:

jack, why there are too many missing kids? List to me the root causes.

I'd say better missing and alive than killed to save your family honor :rolleyes:
Good night Jack…
Sweet dreams! :wave:

We don't have any numbers ;)
In the most, you will get someting like 0.01% (if possible). So it is hard to find out. Why they should make #s of something which is not available ? :wave:
Are you saying that there are no statistics of AIDS cases, homosexuals, and wife-abusers for Oman? No wonder you don’t have any social problems. How did you come up with 0.01% if there are no numbers available? Do you have any evidence to back up your number or was that just your wishful thinking?

By the way, drugs should also include Qat. You apparently have never been to Yemen if you think only 0.01% of Muslims do drugs. You probably have never seen heroin addicts passed out on the streets in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran either.

While we are at it, let’s add more problems to the list:
Freedom of press (or lack there of)
Freedom of religion (or lack there of)
Democracy (or lack there of)
Equal rights for women (or lack there of)
Unemployment

Equal rights for women (or lack there of)


I hope this will help you to see the truth.


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1. EQUAL STATUS AND WORTH OF THE SEXES

The first of these characteristics of a Qur'anic society which affect women is that both sexes are held to be equal in status and worth. In other words, the Qur'an teaches us that women and men are all creatures of Allah, existing on a level of equal worth and value, although their equal importance does not substantiate a claim for their equivalence or perfect identity. This equality of male and female is documentable in the Qur'an in passages pertaining to at least four aspects of human existence and interaction.

A. Religious Matters

The first of these Qur'anic confirmations of male-female equality are contained in statements pertaining to such religious matters as the origins of humanity, or to religious obligations and rewards.

1. Origins of Humanity. The Qur'an is devoid of the stories found in the Old Testament which denigrate women. There is no hint that the first woman created by God is a creature of lesser worth than the first male, or that she is a kind of appendage formed from one of his ribs. Instead, male and female are created, we read, min nafsin wahidatin ("from a single soul or self") to complement each other (Qur'an 4:1; 7:189). Whereas the Torah or Old Testament treats Eve as the temptress of the Garden of Eden, who aids Satan in enticing Adam to disobey God, the Qur'an deals with the pair with perfect equity. Both are equally guilty of sinning; both are equally punished by God with expulsion from the Garden; and both are equally forgiven when they repent.

2. Religious Obligations and Rewards. The Qur'an is not less clear in commanding equality for men and women in its directives regarding religious obligations and rewards. We read:

Lo! Men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give aims and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah and women who remember-Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward. (33:35)

B. Ethical Obligations and Rewards

Secondly, the Qur'an reveals to mankind the desired equality of the two sexes by establishing the same ethical obligations and rewards for women and men.

And who so does good works, whether male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter Paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone. (4:124)

Whosoever does right, whether male or female, and is a believer, him verily We shall quicken with good life, and We shall pay them a recompense according to the best of what they do. (16:97)

If Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala had not deemed the two sexes of equal status and value, such explicit statements of their equality in ethical obligations and rewards would not have been made in the Qur'an.

C. Education

Although the more specific commands for the equal rights of women and men to pursue education can be found in the hadith literature, the Qur'an does at least imply the pursuit of knowledge by all Muslims regardless of their sex. For example, it repeatedly commands all readers to read, to recite, to think, to contemplate, as well as to learn from the signs (ayat) of Allah in nature. In fact, the very first revelation to Prophet Muhammad (S) was concerned with knowledge. In a Qur'anic society, there can never be a restriction of this knowledge to one sex. It is the duty of every Muslim and every Muslimah to pursue knowledge throughout life, even if it should lead the seeker to China, we are told. The Prophet (S) even commanded that the slave girls be educated, and he asked Shifa' bint 'Abdillah to instruct his wife Hafsah bint 'Umar. Lectures of the Prophet (S) were attended by audiences of both men and women; and by the time of the Prophet's death, there were many women scholars.

D. Legal Rights

A fourth evidence in the Qur'an for the equality of men and women is its specification of legal rights which are guaranteed for every individual from cradle to grave. Unlike the situation in the West, where until the last century it was impossible for a married woman to hold property on her own, to contract with other persons, or to dispose of her property without the consent of her husband, the Qur'an proclaims the right of every woman to buy and sell, to contract and to earn, and to hold and manage her own money and property. In addition to these rights, the Qur'an grants woman a share in the inheritance of the family (4:7-11), warns against depriving her of that inheritance (4:19), specifies that the dower (mahr) of her marriage should belong to her alone and never be taken by her husband (2:229; 4:19-21,25) unless offered by the woman as a free gift (4:44).

As with any privilege, these rights of women carry corresponding responsibilities. If she commits a civil offence, the Qur'an tells us, woman's penalty is no less or no more than that of a man in a similar case (5:41; 24:2). If she is wronged or harmed, she is entitled to compensation just like a man.

It is clear that the Qur'an not only recommends, but is even insistent upon, the equality of women and men as an essential characteristic of a Qur'anic society. The claim of the non-Muslim critics that Islam denigrates women is denied emphatically by the Qur'an. Similarly denied are the arguments of certain Muslims that women are religiously, intellectually and ethically inferior to men, as Jewish and Christian literatures had earlier maintained.

2. A DUAL SEX RATHER THAN UNISEX SOCIETY

Now let us consider the second basic characteristic of the Qur'anic society which affects the position of women. This is found in the directives for a dual sex rather than a unisex society. While maintaining the validity of the equal worth of men and women, the Qur'an does not judge this equality to mean equivalence or identity of the sexes.

Probably all of you are familiar with the contemporary move toward unisex clothes and shoes, unisex jewellery and hair styles, unisex actions and entertainments. In fact, it is often difficult in America to decide whether one is looking at a boy or a girl. This results from the current notion in Western society that there is little if any difference between the two sexes in physical, intellectual and emotional endowment; and that, therefore, there should be no difference in their functions and roles in society. The dress and the actions are but superficial evidence of this deeper conviction. Accompanied by a downgrading of the qualities and roles traditionally associated with the female sex, this current idea has generated a unisex society in which only the male role is respected and pursued. Although meant to bring a larger measure of equality for women, the idea that men and women are not only equal, but equivalent and identical, has actually pushed women into imitating men and even despising their womanhood. Thus it is generating a new type of male chauvinism. Tremendous social pressures have resulted in stripping women of their role-responsibilities formerly performed by them, and they are forced to live a life devoid of personality and individuality.

The society based on the Qur'an is, in contrast, a dual-sex society in which both sexes are assigned their special responsibilities. This assures the healthy functioning of the society for the benefit of all its members. This division of labour imposes on men more economic responsibilities (2:233, 240-241; 4:34), while women are expected to play their role in childbearing and rearing (2:233; 7:189). The Qur'an, recognising the importance of this complementary sexual assignment of roles and responsibilities, alleviates the greater economic demands made on male members of the population by allotting them a larger share than women in inheritance. At the same time it grants women the right to maintenance in exchange for her contribution to the physical and emotional well being of the family and to the care she provides in the rearing of children. The unisex ideology generates a competitive relationship between the sexes which we find in America and which is disastrous for all members of society: the young; the old; the children; the parents; the single and the married; the male and the female. The dual-sex society, by contrast, is a more natural answer to the question of sexual relationships, a plan encouraging co-operation rather than competition between the sexes. It is a plan which has been found suitable in countless societies through history. Only in very recent times did the idea of sexual non-differentiation or identity achieve prominence, and then primarily in the Western society. Even the medical evidence for mental or emotional difference between the sexes is suppressed in Western research, for it threatens the prevailing trends of thought. How long this socially disastrous movement will continue before it is rejected as bankrupt is not known. But certainly we as Muslims should be aware of its deficiencies and dangerous consequences, and make our societies and young people aware of the disaster caused by it.

Complete article here (http://www.jannah.org/sisters/womensociety.html).

Focus of lifestyles is switching from the community and the family to the individual over the past few decades, and its none the more evident than in the arab world, where you can see a huge clash between the two. I heard a line on TV today, "it takes great courage to dedicate yourself to someone in marriage." Yes, this is true, it always has and always will, but I think in the past people were more ready to make this step. We are insecure these days, as a people, more so than in the past. This is my theory anyway. We'd rather have fleeting relationships which may not give the security of marriage, but give some sort of security. And sex. Which is why we're marrying older. I remember reading that Britney Spears wants to marry at 22, and people are criticising her for being too young. And she said something along the lines of 'well, Ive found Mr.Right, why wait?' And for once, I agree with her. And I think Western Society is having troubles exactly because of this shift of focus from the family and community to the individual. All other problems seem to stem from that...

Wow, I really should have used paragraphs :os.

Broken family is a threat to scociety.

SAN POLO DEI CAVALIERI, Italy (Reuters) -- A lonely pensioner who turned to Italy's classified pages to find someone willing to "adopt" him as a grandfather is finally heading to his new home and family in northern Italy this weekend.

Giorgio Angelozzi, 80, has lived alone outside Rome with seven cats since his wife died in 1992, but he took the unprecedented step of putting himself up for adoption last month via the Corriere della Sera newspaper.

Not satisfied with just running the advertisement, Italy's main daily ran a front-page story about Angelozzi's plight.

Inundated with offers from families across Italy and as far away as New Zealand, Brazil and the United States, the retired schoolteacher has decided to go to live with Elio and Marlena Riva and their two teenage children in Bergamo, northern Italy.

"I was hit by a torrential downpour. I didn't think I would be able to choose among so many offers," the white-bearded Angelozzi told Reuters during his last hours in his simple two-room flat.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/27/grandpa.adoption.reut/index.html

He lived 12 years with cats instead of with anyone of his family/relatives!!

But look, someone did take him in! And he got plenty of offers too, now isn't that sweet?

What is sweet in that, it's like selling himself?

you know in some way Jack is right what 5 ways are countries in the gulf and Me better then the west?
actually I can't really think of any
True Islam teaching isn't being practiced, you have the wealthy shieks getting richer and the population getting poorer(if such a word exist)
true Islam teaching is fading
you don't see ppl getting thier hands cut for wrongful stealing,(wrongful becuase if a poor man steals a loaf of bread to eat then it's the ruler's fault for not taking care of his people) we say Islam prevents this and that but our society has forgotten about Islam
Leaders arn't chosen by people, no freedom of press, pre marriage relatoins are spreading and Aids is spreading to not having statistic numbers dosn't prove it dosn't exist.
If countries to follow teaching of islam then yeah but sometimes I think the west adopted more of the Islamic teaching then us (sosical security, freedom of press, elections -maybe corrupted but hey atleast they got something called election)

Good post Red - some of the problems you mentioned, however, are just untouched arab people being perverted by the influence of the west (premarital sex, etc.). Western society is hardly perfect. Far from it. The only reason that arab societies may be considered better is that we are still a somewhat virgin society. The West is in an advanced stage - or development as well as degradation, decadence. The arabs have a chance right now to pick out the good, and keep away from the bad.

Unfortunately, we seem to be doing just the opposite. The fault lies with us, and also with the influences that bombard our senses from every direction, every possible outlet - TV, radio, movies, clothes, books, etc.

IceTea, your article brings out an excellent point. In Arab states, this most likely wouldnt have happened, because family ties are much stronger. HOWEVER, can you honestly imagine ANY arab family 'adopting' an old man, someone who will be nothing but a burden? It takes a lot of love to do that, and thats something that the west seems to have in more abundance. Not love, but the sense of responsibility, the desire to take care of those that cant take care of themselves.

So we may have family ties, but they have a sense of charity which is greater than you see here. If we could hold on to our family ties and adopt the spirit of charity which some have, thats just another way we could strengthen our society.

Yeah I agree with you PT
and I thought of the same thing the only thing we have intact is our family relationships we don't go dumping our elders into some day care

I really think it will be much more easier if you narrow down the topic.

Islam and non-muslims. Or, Middle East and West, Or, Arab's and West, OR, society and individuals OR...

Honestly, i don't even know where to start commenting about in this thread! Everyone is mixing everything up to be honest and finally we got nothing.

Off topic...


KrazyRed the member, CrazyRed the Moderator...

HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING? Someone PM me and clarify :os

I agree with what Naj is saying let's pick an issue


off topic
pt the K has been changed to a C
KRED shouldn't exist and ur inbox is full

Guys, let us concentrate on the main topic to avoide confusion.