You hear a lot of stories, and im sure many of us know arab guys who go out to study in the west, and come back with their stories of sexual conquest (and im sure some of the sabla guys are like this also!). Some of these are napoleonic in their grandeur.

Now the question is, how do they justify this? Its clearly against their religion. Of the people Ive asked, they justify it in a number of, admittedly, creative ways. One guy said that we wouldnt have been able to resist anyway, so why try? Then he tried to interpret quranic verses differently to justify it. Something of a joke. Others have said that, well, its not muslim girls they are doing, its christians...they arent muslim, and so its not against their religion. Plus they are giving their consent, so its okay surely. By far the most pitiful ive heard is this: 'Well, God isnt going to throw me in hell for one small rut'. And proceed.

Thoughts on this please. How do you convince these people what they are doing is not only wrong religiously, but immoral. Or are they lost souls?

Or are they lost souls?

They're not lost or anything. They just can't believe their luck that some girl(s) have given them the time of day and so do whatever it is they do just so they could go back home and brag to their friends that they've been with x amount of girls. Lame really but expected of guys who think that once they've touched a pair of breasts, they've seen the world. And some Arab girls aren't any better to be honest.

Im sure you're right about the arab girls, but the stories about them are somewhat less.
So then what is the next step? Do they continue to act the way they do, or do they change?

It's same thing with girls who remove their hijab while studying outside.

Its all about how the guys brag and have a wrong notion of being cool, if not about "knowing" or "understanding" a new view of the world! The sooner they realize that they have in fact achieved nada/nothing from playing a girl, they'll start earning respect.

Ice Tea, this topic is not about Muslim girls who choose to remove their hijab while studying abroad. Open another thread on that if you want; otherwise PLEASE do not deviate from the main topic!

Ice Tea; mashallah 3laik. The topic is about one of the worst sins in Islam; one that deserved the punishment of stoning to death and you go off and comment with only that? Allah yisam7ak.. (although I won't if you post off topic comments, I'll just delete them :p ).

-----------

I think that, one of the most trying tests for a person's faith is leaving their secure, comfortable, strict, rule domintated societies & homes and having to rough it out and control themselves. Which apparently they can't. Men's levels of self control is wayyyy lower then womens when it comes to anything sex-related. However a guy with principles, deen and a'7laq would never even dream of it.

Allah yihdee shabab alyom! :rolleyes:

Some people think that they're on "holiday" when they're out there, and can do whatever they set their minds to. Because what is being offered to them is so appealing, they tend to forget about God, their principles, morals, etc.

Or maybe they weren't that religious to begin with, and these circumstances just make this clear to us.

Either way, I think that someone who can simply let go of all their principles and what they have been taught throughout their lives in order to fulfill their baser instincts is weak.

What Phoenix says about not being religious to begin with, I have to say that yes, thats certainly true in many cases. Which makes you wonder why they werent like that while they were in arab societies. Peer pressure? Not worth the risk? Who knows.

@ IceTea: That may or may not be true, the circumstances are different: when you are having sex with someone, you arent doing it in the public eye (unless you are REALLY sick)...nobody is judging you in the same way they are judging you when it comes to hijab. But like I said, its a different situation...cant be compared.

What Phoenix says about not being religious to begin with, I have to say that yes, thats certainly true in many cases. Which makes you wonder why they werent like that while they were in arab societies. Peer pressure? Not worth the risk? Who knows.


They don't want to be "exposed" here. They can do their stuff at the other end of the world with discretion. No one would know, unless they actually chose to tell someone and it spread by word of mouth.
I guess it's just not worth the risk here. The possiblities of being found out here are much higher, since you're surrounded by people you know. When you're out in some other part of the world, you feel free to do what you want, as you know that there's no one watching you. Except God, ofcourse.

I know men who got married before going for study and took their wives with them. I think this is the best way to avoid that type of fornication.

and the solution is :rolleyes:

The reason for what I said "It's same thing with girls who remove their hijab while studying outside" is to draw a comparison. The comparison is valid because it's like a muslim who remove his skin (i.e Islamic values) when travelling to western countries.

I know both cases are not the same but both of them a major sin.

and the solution is :rolleyes:

Perhaps students shouldn't be sent to study abroad? Hmm. That wouldn't be fair though, because there are some who are responsible and won't go wild out there.. :os

Theres no solution. Its an individual decision, you cant force it upon anybody. Education is the solution.

About getting married first, thats a fine idea, but for most of us, it would mean waiting a couple of yours before travelling. I for one believe that 18 is too young for a guy to marry, in todays day and age.