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Delicate
25-07-04, 04:37 PM
I was just wondering if it's okay to pick what to do from each sector (abadhi, sunni, shiaa).. or do you have to follow one sector only?

My dad once told me that I cannot change my sector -if I wish to do so-, and I must follow him only.. and then when I get married, I follow my husband.. but if I don't want to follow my husband, I have to say that before. Is this true?
What are the rules in changing the sector you belong to?

Enigma
25-07-04, 04:55 PM
:os

You are NOT obliged to follow your father and even more so are not obliged to follow your husband!

You are free to choose whichever sect you believe in.

Wardat_il'7leej
25-07-04, 04:58 PM
It has been said that each muslim sect has its origin from political issues/background even though we know how the most common sects have originated Sunni and Sha'i there are others practices being undertaken by muslims all over the world

i hope this would help http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/sscategory.asp?scatid=103

sophis^catrina
25-07-04, 05:07 PM
My dad once told me that I cannot change my sector -if I wish to do so-, and I must follow him only.. and then when I get married, I follow my husband..

Perhaps that what's he really thinks so and has the best intentions, but on the other hand :eek: it's shocking! That's controlling you, when u have the right to think and decide for yourself!

You do not have to follow your family/husband's sector. Allah has given you a brain to think, study, compare and decide what makes the most sense to you.

I was born a Ibadhi. My father is one. My mother is a Sunni. I do not consider myself either and only label myself a Muslim. Although I have to admit I very much lean towards the Sunni side, very much so than the Ibadhi side.

Arabian Princess
25-07-04, 05:17 PM
I dont know why people make a big fuss about sects .. there are more important issues in Islam than sects.

ok you are ibadhi and a ruling doesnt make sense to you, then search why it was rulled that way and if you still think you dont agree with it and it doesnt have a certain ruling I dont think you should follow it.

I beleive in sects as form of identity .. but I dont think that a certain sects is the ultimate truth and others arnt. Its all scholars work, and Allah reward scholars even if they were wrong if they sensirly looked for an answer!

sophis^catrina
25-07-04, 05:22 PM
dont think that a certain sects is the ultimate truth and others arnt. Its all scholars work

Fully agree. One cannot say that shee3a and Ibadhi are not right, and Sunni is the ultimate truth. Or vice versa. They are due to interpretation, scholars' work "ijtihad" and whose version of history do you agree with. Anyway as I said before "Allah has given you a brain to think, study, compare and decide what makes the most sense to you."

Pineapple Thief
25-07-04, 10:54 PM
I dont know why people make a big fuss about sects .. there are more important issues in Islam than sects.

ok you are ibadhi and a ruling doesnt make sense to you, then search why it was rulled that way and if you still think you dont agree with it and it doesnt have a certain ruling I dont think you should follow it.

I beleive in sects as form of identity .. but I dont think that a certain sects is the ultimate truth and others arnt. Its all scholars work, and Allah reward scholars even if they were wrong if they sensirly looked for an answer!

I agree with this. Sects/sectors are just dividers.

Muscati
25-07-04, 11:28 PM
Sorry AP, but I do not believe you can pick and choose and follow the rules that you like from each mathhab. It's not a supermarket. You have the right and duty to know as much as possible about your religion and once you find a mathhab that you like and you agree the most with then you have to follow it completely. Once you you need advice about something and you find an answer from your mathhab that you don't agree with then that's it, you follow it even though you don't like it. If your level of disagreement is very high, then maybe you should learn more and find out more. Sometimes different mujtahids in the same mathhab disagree. But you cannot be an ibadhi who follows the ibadhi sect in everything except when it comes to X, then you like what the shaf3is or shi3a say more.

Everyone should choose his/her own mathhab. No one should follow a mathhab only because they were born with it. The reason I am shi3i isn't because my mother and father are, but because I chose to remain in the same mathhab that I was raised in because I agree with it. My wife is ibadhiya and I never asked her to change her mathhab.

Arabian Princess
26-07-04, 08:20 AM
Muscati, my logic is when mathahbs started? After the greater fitna on hearth!
So why should we follow that fitna and stop ourselfs from learning what other scholars say about a certain issue?!!
I see mathahibs as different scholars, all have worked hard to come to this certain ruling and they hold responsibilty for it!
I dont pick what I like and dislike just like this, but according to the evidence they give.

The brain.
26-07-04, 11:03 AM
Agree with AP

As Islam is the unite umbrella for all sectors, I don’t see why u can’t pick up the other sectors ‘ Fatwas’ even if u have ur identity sector.

Let’s say I’m abadhi and I listening to Sunni scholar doing fatwa on issue like fasting and I see it really logic but it might be ‘clashing’ somehow with my Abadhi scholar, I still can take that Sunni fatwa and I’m feeling safe from inside , cus at the end of the day he Muslim and he did better ‘ ijtihad’ and interpretation in ‘ my own view’

IceTea
28-07-04, 08:30 AM
A muslim should follow the mathhab which hold more truth.

Arabian Princess
28-07-04, 08:43 AM
and that is??

every mathahab holds truth within it .. its just different interpretation in Minor matters so why shall we concentrate on them and decide that a mathahab is right and another is wrong?!

IceTea
28-07-04, 08:52 AM
Are you calling zawaj mut3a for example minor matter?

Arabian Princess
28-07-04, 09:21 AM
well you see who approve of Zawaj Almutaa have thier own evidence for that. Personaly, I dont agree with those evidence, but that doesnt make the whole sect wrong!!
Whoever approved it surly done thier Ijtihad!

IceTea
28-07-04, 09:53 AM
No one said the whole sect wrong but we are saying better to follow the one which holds more truth.

Haroundb
28-07-04, 10:04 AM
I believe that it makes no difference to follow any of the well known sects because they are all following the basic what our prophet Mohammed (PBUH).
I believe also that, it is more related to tradition more than to Islam because I follow it like my father and grandfather (still not blindly). What is the problem with that? Even those who migrate to another country than the one they were born in, the coming generation –mostly- melt into the available culture and they follow what ever sect available in the new country.

Like wearing a specific type of Costume, (Dishdashah) here in Oman , why should I ware a something different as far as what I am wearing is comfortable and follow the correct Islamic style of clothes?
Further more to explain the idea of tradition , a country like Egypt do follow (Shafieeh) in everything except marriage, where they follow Hanifah?

Actually we do have to follow our fathers and grandfathers in their (Mazhab) in order not to make gab between what I do and what the other people around me are doing, in other words, "Not to be odd". Actually we were advised not to be odd , and to follow the majority of our Muslim community (as far as it is not wrong).

Allah did order us to be one hand and to stick to each other, not to go in all directions doing whatever we think is right. This will lead at the end to the idea that "I will make my own (Mazhab) because what is available is not sufficient", and this have led people in the western countries to go for freak , and produced lots of sects each of which, act extremely different than the other.

Pineapple Thief
30-07-04, 10:25 AM
Personally, I believe in the abolition of sects (as well as political boundaries), but thats just me and my tree-hugging views.

Don Khaled
02-08-04, 11:03 AM
:os

You are NOT obliged to follow your father and even more so are not obliged to follow your husband!

You are free to choose whichever sect you believe in.

Exactly Enigma. But personally, I do not believe in "sector", though, all I believe that I should follow "sunat" the prophet mohammed SAW. Sectors only created complications, wars, and most important, it is following the footsteps of "christianity", where you find alot of sectors.

el7ilwa
03-08-04, 02:53 PM
I entirely agree with AP in every thing she said & yah these sectors have appeared after our prophit death which make them not completly true cauz they have been established by humen being who aren't impeccable!!!
So what I belive in that we all Muslims & we can choose the logical thing we see cauz as Sophis says we have got the brain to find the truth & what's the better thing to follow ...
Muscati I don't think that Sectors have a copy rights so we can't follow some points from one sector unless we join it!!! For god sake this is Islam the religion for all ppl so we have to do what's satisfy our conscience twards worshipping alah...

Dr N
08-08-04, 05:50 PM
You choose your sect because you believe that it's the right one. If you doubt what your sect has to say and you still do it, then you can't be truly believing in it. You're supposed to use your logic to figure out which one you agree with more and follow it. You're not obliged to follow your family or your husband, it's up to you.

Ice t, you'll never change. :rolleyes:

Arabian Princess
08-08-04, 10:57 PM
hmm just a comment that Mimosa tried correcting long back but its still occuring ..
its Sect not Sector :shy:

Libellula
09-08-04, 12:38 AM
My dad's Ibadhi.
I'm Sunni, more or less :)
I think everyone has the right to choose what sect they are most comfortable being a part of.

Anyway, we're all still Muslims in the end, so I don't see why it should matter a lot.

NaBHaN
09-08-04, 01:11 AM
My dad is a shi3i , but i am a sunni. I believe in their rulings and so i decided to follow it. I dont think that people should just follow blindly anything cause they were born into it... cause it takes believing in something to truely respect it.

Vamp
09-08-04, 01:39 AM
Phoenix and Nabhan,
Just out of curiosity, does you parents/family know of your decision to change sects?
And what was their reaction?

IceTea
09-08-04, 07:32 AM
You're supposed to use your logic to figure out which one you agree with more and follow it.

I don't think it's a matter of logic but it's a matter of sticking to the Quran and true/pure sunnah, in other words following the true Islamic teachings.



Ice t, you'll never change. :rolleyes:

Change to what exactly :rolleyes:

Libellula
10-08-04, 02:12 AM
Phoenix and Nabhan,
Just out of curiosity, does you parents/family know of your decision to change sects?
And what was their reaction?


Yes, my parents know. My mother is okay with it since she herself is a Sunni, but my father insists that I am an Ibadhi, and that's the end of the matter. :duh: lol

NaBHaN
10-08-04, 02:24 AM
yeah.. my father knows.. and it doesnt really matter to him. ;) , my mom is a sunni so she's obviously okay about it.

sophis^catrina
16-08-04, 01:39 AM
yeah.. my father knows.. and it doesnt really matter to him. ;) , my mom is a sunni so she's obviously okay about it.

And I always thought that you were shee3ie...

Pineapple Thief
16-08-04, 01:05 PM
Nabhan, I have a friend whos done the opposite. Sunni family, became shee3i.
Ultimately, its Islam that matters isnt it?

Somebody said, stick to the sect that holds more truth. Now I know its impossible to attach figures to these things, but if one sect hold 80% truth, and the others 50% truth, do you accept the 20% that is untrue in that sect, or do you adopt what you think is right from the others? Obviously you do what is right, and not live with imperfection.

MoonChild
16-08-04, 05:16 PM
doesn't each sect believe it is 100% true?

Pineapple Thief
16-08-04, 06:50 PM
Of course each sect does, it would be idiocy for a sect not to, but I think it was Ice Tea that said 'you follow the sect that is most true', or the one you agree with most right? Does that mean you completely disregard the rulings of others, regardless of what they say?
Sects are boundaries, nothing more.

HaYa
17-08-04, 02:47 PM
I personally dont try to pay much attention to sects,.. all it does is divide the Islamic nation, ...However Not all sects differ in minor issues some Do in fundamentals as i dont want to mention stuff and divert the whole converstaion plus No need to rise ppl's sentiments here...

I agree with engima ...