Muslms are Very Very luky

[Try2FindMe]

All three religions declare that he will win the Paradise,
But,

If the Jew will win the Paradise, the Muslims will go also, because they believe in Moses that he is one of the greatest prophets.

if the Christian will win, the Muslims also will go, because Muslims believe that Jesus is one of the greatest prophet and messenger from God.

BUT what about if the Muslims win paradise? :scratch:

only muslims will be there, because all other two not belive in our prophet.
(i mean after Prophet Mohammed peace upon on him)

Thanks God, Im Muslim

[sanwin25]

You forgot the Bahai and ahmediyas and the Nation of Islam !

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

[sanwin25]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe
only muslims will be there, because all other two not belive in our prophet.
(i mean after Prophet Mohammed peace upon on him)

Thanks God, Im Muslim

And the other place will be very very peaceful

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by sanwin25
You forgot the Bahai and ahmediyas and the Nation of Islam !

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

no no, this relegins are not the family of the Books

in Islam, we have Three Holy Books that together called, the Fmaily of the Bool " Ahlo El Ketab"

Torat which is for Prophet Moses ( Peace upon on Him)
Bible for Jeasus ( Peace upon on Him)
Quran for Mohammed ( Peace upon on Him)

and the Rest are not in our Defention ( with repect to them)

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by sanwin25
And the other place will be very very peaceful

yes :6:

[sanwin25]

Well the rest of the world cares two hoots what you consider to be the 'family of the Books'.

You have your Islam and you can keep it.

We are not interested in buying.

[Cerulean]

Er... whatever :rolleyes:

For ur info: it's luCKy not luky :angre:

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe
All three religions declare that he will win the Paradise,
But,

If the Jew will win the Paradise, the Muslims will go also, because they believe in Moses that he is one of the greatest prophets.

if the Christian will win, the Muslims also will go, because Muslims believe that Jesus is one of the greatest prophet and messenger from God.

BUT what about if the Muslims win paradise? :scratch:

only muslims will be there, because all other two not belive in our prophet.
(i mean after Prophet Mohammed peace upon on him)

Thanks God, Im Muslim Well done Try2FindME I am also very proud to be Muslim and Thank Allah for that.

[Enigma]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe


If the Jew will win the Paradise, the Muslims will go also, because they believe in Moses that he is one of the greatest prophets.

Umm. We also have alot of conflicting beliefs about an array of issues. They Jew's believe themselves to be God's chosen people, I doubt they'd take us with them.


if the Christian will win, the Muslims also will go, because Muslims believe that Jesus is one of the greatest prophet and messenger from God.

Christians believe Jesus was god's son. And that Jesus was a god. We have different gods. We are considered disbelievers to them. I also doubt we'd go with them.


BUT what about if the Muslims win paradise? :scratch:

only muslims will be there, because all other two not belive in our prophet.


I don't belive that being a muslim wins you paradise. I believe that being a good person and doing good deeds gets you there.

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Its pretty silly to say WIN paradise since it is not to be won but earned. This isn't a contest.

[um albanin]

I don't belive that being a muslim wins you paradise. I believe that being a good person and doing good deeds gets you there.

I would like you to repeat this please dear ,just to make sure that u ment what u wrote, because I want to make sure that you understand quraan before saying anything.

æóãóä íóÈúÊóÛö ÛóíúÑó ÇáÅöÓúáÇóãö ÏöíäðÇ Ýóáóä íõÞúÈóáó ãöäúåõ æóåõæó Ýöí ÇáÂÎöÑóÉö ãöäó ÇáúÎóÇÓöÑöíäó (85)
ßóíúÝó íóåúÏöí Çááøåõ ÞóæúãðÇ ßóÝóÑõæÇú ÈóÚúÏó ÅöíãóÇäöåöãú æóÔóåöÏõæÇú Ãóäøó ÇáÑøóÓõæáó ÍóÞøñ æóÌóÇÁåõãõ ÇáúÈóíøöäóÇÊõ æóÇááøåõ áÇó íóåúÏöí ÇáúÞóæúãó ÇáÙøóÇáöãöíäó (86
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ÎóÇáöÏöíäó ÝöíåóÇ áÇó íõÎóÝøóÝõ Úóäúåõãõ ÇáúÚóÐóÇÈõ æóáÇó åõãú íõäÙóÑõæäó (88)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust.
Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all mankind;-

Åöäøó ÇáøóÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇú æóãóÇÊõæÇú æóåõãú ßõÝøóÇÑñ Ýóáóä íõÞúÈóáó ãöäú ÃóÍóÏöåöã ãøöáúÁõ ÇáÃÑúÖö ÐóåóÈðÇ æóáóæö ÇÝúÊóÏóì Èöåö ÃõæúáóÆößó áóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈñ Ãóáöíãñ æóãóÇ áóåõã ãøöä äøóÇÕöÑöíäó (91)
As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers.


& ITS NOT REALLY EASY TO GET TO HEAVEN , You see , even if you are muslim , that doesnt give you the elligability to enter heaven, well according to mainly Ibadhi & shiiat predominantly , I cant speak about sunni though. I must say , because the Aqeeda,deeds & Niyya are most important , these all part of our AQEEDA , there is something called :ALWALAYAT WA ALBARAAA. Its important that every muslim should know about whom they should be loyal to.

unless I didnt get your point, may be I am mistaken.

[Enigma]

1st lemme add the word 'only' which I forgot to put in there. ;)

2nd if a person does nothing but good throughout his life; I don't think he deserves hell whether or not he is a muslim. And I stick by that belief. For that aya you mentioned there is one thousand more which say that Allah is AlRaheem, AlRahman, Al3adil, Al7akeem, Al3alim.

What was the munasaba for that aya? From that you determine the rulings of it. Too many times do people misread & missunderstand the Quran because of not bothering to understand the philosophy and reason behind it.

3rd the aya says in the second part "who reject Faith after they accepted it". Which does not mean every single human being but only those who reject the faith after being enlightened.

[um albanin]

I ve always thought about like you , till I went deeper , you see no one muslim scholar on earth would ever even try to say that good deeds without islam would grant u a paradise, & I am talking about scholars of every madh-hab , not me , meaning thoes who had read quraan & understood what it ment , or I should say it with the ahaadeeth.


What was the munasaba for that aya? From that you determine the rulings of it. Too many times do people misread & missunderstand the Quran because of not bothering to understand the philosophy and reason behind it.

I cant agree more, defenatly , & so we should have scholars whom we really trust , now , there is no one scholar of any madh-hab would say that non-muslims enter heaven. my own words are not rules, allah's words are , & allah has asked scholars to interprate the quraan for us , especially that ou arabic is not good, & each word in quraan carry alot of meaning.

Allah is shadeed aleiqaab , as well as what u mensioned


3rd the aya says in the second part "who reject Faith after they accepted it". Which does not mean every single human being but only those who reject the faith after being enlightened.
But you just have said ,

Too many times do people misread & missunderstand the Quran because of not bothering to understand the philosophy and reason behind it.
I will never intepret quraan , because I know that I cant do that , what I can do is to go back to ayaat , hadeeth, translation books & read all what other multiple scholars had to AGREE with (LA TAJTAMEE3 UMMATY 3LAA DHALAALA.) my umma when agree on something, it will be right (hadeeth shareef) means all the sectorsagree on..

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Enigma

2nd if a person does nothing but good throughout his life; I don't think he deserves hell whether or not he is a muslim. And I stick by that belief. For that aya you mentioned there is one thousand more which say that Allah is AlRaheem, AlRahman, Al3adil, Al7akeem, Al3alim.


You should believe in Allah and believing in Allah required you to believe in his angels, his books, his prophets, the final day. Otherwsie all what you have done will be like:-


[42:39]But the Unbelievers,- their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts, which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing: But he finds Allah (ever) with him, and Allah will pay him his account: and Allah is swift in taking account.

[42:40]Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.

The question is do you want all what you have done during your life to disapear like that?

[Milliardo Peacecraft]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Well the rest of the world cares two hoots what you consider to be the 'family of the Books'.

You have your Islam and you can keep it.

We are not interested in buying.

Can I have an order of 3 to go with it? :D

[Homeless]

Originally posted by Enigma

Its pretty silly to say WIN paradise since it is not to be won but earned. This isn't a contest.

enigma it doesnt have to be a contest to use the word win ..
I dont see anything wrong with it as in Islamic we say Tfooz Bil Jannah .. so I dont c anything wrong with it!!

[mimosa]

Nice post Nigster. I am glad you agree that the worth of an individual is based on deeds and not dogma.

One technical point though: As I understand it, Christians do not believe that Jesus was "a god". They believe he was a human manifestation of God. A different "aspect" of God dressed in human flesh if you like, not a separate deity.

[Capricorna]

what if the person wasnt muslim and he doesnt know that islam exits he'll go to hell !! sorry but this doent make sense at all , you never know whos gonna end up in heaven or hell i mean there are alot of great people around who arent muslim and dont entend to be one , allah ra7eem be3ebadeh , why will god send half of the earth to hell , in some way it doesnt make sense !! they all believe in what they are brought up with and consider it right !!

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by Enigma
Umm. We also have alot of conflicting beliefs about an array of issues. They Jew's believe themselves to be God's chosen people, I doubt they'd take us with them.



Christians believe Jesus was god's son. And that Jesus was a god. We have different gods. We are considered disbelievers to them. I also doubt we'd go with them.



I don't belive that being a muslim wins you paradise. I believe that being a good person and doing good deeds gets you there.

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Its pretty silly to say WIN paradise since it is not to be won but earned. This isn't a contest.

yes Enigma, but i look from there point view not our's
im still at shallow water.

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by mimosa
Nice post Nigster. I am glad you agree that the worth of an individual is based on deeds and not dogma.

One technical point though: As I understand it, Christians do not believe that Jesus was "a god". They believe he was a human manifestation of God. A different "aspect" of God dressed in human flesh if you like, not a separate deity.

what ever how they understand,
the Cristian put there God in Human case.

but our God is above of Human compare.

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by Capricorna
what if the person wasnt muslim and he doesnt know that islam exits he'll go to hell !! sorry but this doent make sense at all , you never know whos gonna end up in heaven or hell i mean there are alot of great people around who arent muslim and dont entend to be one , allah ra7eem be3ebadeh , why will god send half of the earth to hell , in some way it doesnt make sense !! they all believe in what they are brought up with and consider it right !!

Hommeless, there is Aya in Quran


ãøóäö ÇåúÊóÏóì ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ íóåúÊóÏí áöäóÝúÓöåö æóãóä Öóáøó ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ íóÖöáøõ ÚóáóíúåóÇ æóáÇó ÊóÒöÑõ æóÇÒöÑóÉñ æöÒúÑó ÃõÎúÑóì æóãóÇ ßõäøóÇ ãõÚóÐøöÈöíäó ÍóÊøóì äóÈúÚóËó ÑóÓõæáÇð

and below is three translation

YUSUFALI: Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an messenger (to give warning).

PICKTHAL: Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger.

SHAKIR: Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger.

[sanwin25]

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[IceTea]

Originally posted by Enigma

I don't belive that being a muslim wins you paradise. I believe that being a good person and doing good deeds gets you there.



My answer to you is from the Quran, so read carefuly and avoide using your emotions to say strange things as usual.!


æóÇáøóÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ÃóÚúãóÇáõåõãú ßóÓóÑóÇÈò ÈöÞöíÚóÉò íóÍúÓóÈõåõ ÇáÙøóãúÂäõ ãóÇÁð ÍóÊøóì ÅöÐóÇ ÌóÇÁóåõ áóãú íóÌöÏúåõ ÔóíúÆðÇ æóæóÌóÏó Çááøóåó ÚöäúÏóåõ ÝóæóÝøóÇåõ ÍöÓóÇÈóåõ æóÇááøóåõ ÓóÑöíÚõ ÇáúÍöÓóÇÈö
Ãóæú ßóÙõáõãóÇÊò Ýöí ÈóÍúÑò áõÌøöíøò íóÛúÔóÇåõ ãóæúÌñ ãöäú ÝóæúÞöåö ãóæúÌñ ãöäú ÝóæúÞöåö ÓóÍóÇÈñ ÙõáõãóÇÊñ ÈóÚúÖõåóÇ ÝóæúÞó ÈóÚúÖò ÅöÐóÇ ÃóÎúÑóÌó íóÏóåõ áóãú íóßóÏú íóÑóÇåóÇ æóãóäú áóãú íóÌúÚóáö Çááøóåõ áóåõ äõæÑðÇ ÝóãóÇ áóåõ ãöäú äõæÑò


But the Unbelievers,- their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts, which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing: But he finds Allah (ever) with him, and Allah will pay him his account: and Allah is swift in taking account.

Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!



áóíúÓó ÈöÃóãóÇäöíøößõãú æóáóÇ ÃóãóÇäöíøö Ãóåúáö ÇáúßöÊóÇÈö ãóäú íóÚúãóáú ÓõæÁðÇ íõÌúÒó Èöåö æóáóÇ íóÌöÏú áóåõ ãöäú Ïõæäö Çááøóåö æóáöíøðÇ æóáóÇ äóÕöíÑðÇ
æóãóäú íóÚúãóáú ãöäó ÇáÕøóÇáöÍóÇÊö ãöäú ÐóßóÑò Ãóæú ÃõäúËóì æóåõæó ãõÄúãöäñ ÝóÃõæáóÆößó íóÏúÎõáõæäó ÇáúÌóäøóÉó æóáóÇ íõÙúáóãõæäó äóÞöíÑðÇ


It will not be in accordance with your desires, nor the desires of the People of the Scripture. He who doeth wrong will have the recompense thereof, and will not find against Allah any protecting friend or helper.

And whoso doeth good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date-stone.

[sanwin25]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz LOL :D :D sanwin are u allright.:color:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe
If the Jew will win the Paradise, the Muslims will go also, because they believe in Moses that he is one of the greatest prophets.

if the Christian will win, the Muslims also will go, because Muslims believe that Jesus is one of the greatest prophet and messenger from God.



Unfortunately, no. Your thinking is poor.

If Jews are right, everyone else is wrong. It wouldn't matter if you happened to believe in a Jewish Prophet or not as you still believe other things that the Jews don't - all the preIslamic pagan rituals that are still followed, Mohammed, etc.

Same with the Christians. You think Jesus didn't die, but a conerstone of Christianity is that Jesus DID die - and for us to be saved we have to believe that.

Bummer. You were probably feeling pretty smug for a while there.

Good luck. The odds of you going to Hell just got a whole lot bigger.

[sanwin25]

And then of course, Elijah Muhammed says he was the last Prophet, so in the end, only a bunch of followers of the Nation of Islam are going to heaven.

Bummer indeed !

:gap:

[ELASTIC]

Once again I agree with Ice Tea. :yes: May Allah bless you

[mimosa]

Originally posted by ELASTIC
Once again I agree with Ice Tea. May Allah bless you

And may He help you....:rolleyes:

[IceTea]

Originally posted by ELASTIC
Once again I agree with Ice Tea. :yes: May Allah bless you

May Allah bless you too brother.

I hope they will see the truth and may Allah guide them to the straight path.

:wave:

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Wanderer
and for us to be saved we have to believe that.



Only Allah can save human beings.

[Try2FindMe]

Unfortunately, no. Your thinking is poor.

If Jews are right, everyone else is wrong. It wouldn't matter if you happened to believe in a Jewish Prophet or not as you still believe other things that the Jews don't - all the preIslamic pagan rituals that are still followed, Mohammed, etc.
Same with the Christians. You think Jesus didn't die, but a conerstone of Christianity is that Jesus DID die - and for us to be saved we have to believe that.

do you think i mean existing jew & cristians?

no dude, :D we will go with the real jew and real cristians




Bummer. You were probably feeling pretty smug for a while there.

Good luck. The odds of you going to Hell just got a whole lot bigger.


:hbd:

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by sanwin25
And then of course, Elijah Muhammed says he was the last Prophet, so in the end, only a bunch of followers of the Nation of Islam are going to heaven.

Bummer indeed !

:gap:

off course who follow mohammed (peace upon him) will go there :wave:

[sanwin25]

No.

The fallacy in your argument is that since you believe Mohammed to be the last Prophet, then you religion must be the real deal.

That argument falls flat on it's face when you consider there are religions which claim to have Prophets who came after Mohammed. According to your specious logic, they must be the real deal.

By that reasoning, followers of the Nation of Islam (currently headed by a prophet called Loius Farrakhan) must be the lucky winners at this time.

Better 'luk' next time.

:laugh: :hyper: :D

[IceTea]

Originally posted by sanwin25


That argument falls flat on it's face when you consider there are religions which claim to have Prophets who came after Mohammed. According to your specious logic, they must be the real deal.



Mohammed PBUH is the seal of the prophets, I hope you know what the word "seal" means.

[sanwin25]

Only according to muslims.

Rest of the world begs to differ.

[ELASTIC]

mimosa: :flamed: ISA

[TeaBagger]

Originally posted by sanwin25
And the other place will be very very peaceful

And Paradise will become full of suicide bombers and misguided head carvers. If that's the case, Muslims can have paradise.

[Capricorna]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe
Hommeless, there is Aya in Quran


ãøóäö ÇåúÊóÏóì ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ íóåúÊóÏí áöäóÝúÓöåö æóãóä Öóáøó ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ íóÖöáøõ ÚóáóíúåóÇ æóáÇó ÊóÒöÑõ æóÇÒöÑóÉñ æöÒúÑó ÃõÎúÑóì æóãóÇ ßõäøóÇ ãõÚóÐøöÈöíäó ÍóÊøóì äóÈúÚóËó ÑóÓõæáÇð

and below is three translation

YUSUFALI: Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an messenger (to give warning).

PICKTHAL: Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger.

SHAKIR: Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise a messenger.

I cant read the arabic font plus i am NOT HOMLESS , ITS CAPRICORNA :angre:

[Milliardo Peacecraft]

Originally posted by TeaBagger
And Paradise will become full of suicide bombers and misguided head carvers. If that's the case, Muslims can have paradise.

To quote President Manuel Quezon, who was President of the Philippines back in the 30s: "I would rather have a hell run by Filipinos than a heaven run by Americans." Just exchange "Filipinos" and "Americans" with the appropriate words here. :D

[IceTea]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Only according to muslims.

Rest of the world begs to differ.

It's quality not quantity and don't forget that the hell is big enough.


[50:30]On the day that We will say to hell: Are you filled up? And it will say: Are there any more?

[IceTea]

Originally posted by TeaBagger
And Paradise will become full of suicide bombers and misguided head carvers. If that's the case, Muslims can have paradise.

That is the paradise according to you not according to muslims. And there is nothing called suicide bombers in Islam.

[Capricorna]

Originally posted by IceTea
That is the paradise according to you not according to muslims. And there is nothing called suicide bombers in Islam.
Hmmm you guys , nobody is getting to a point here , when will this thread end !! :yawn:

[IceTea]

The point is clear but some people refuse to see the light and prefer to stay in the darkness.

The thread just started, whay you want to end it :rolleyes:

[Milliardo Peacecraft]

Originally posted by IceTea
That is the paradise according to you not according to muslims. And there is nothing called suicide bombers in Islam.

Icebag, you really need to see the light. Quite a number of your fellow believers have already done things in the name of "Paradise". I'm sure they're happy wherever they are now--though I am just as sure it's nowhere near Paradise.

[Capricorna]

Originally posted by IceTea
The point is clear but some people refuse to see the light and prefer to stay in the darkness.

The thread just started, whay you want to end it :rolleyes:
Because no matter how much you try icetea , everyone has his own believes and you cant change that , anyways let it begin then or whatever !

[TeaBagger]

Originally posted by IceTea
That is the paradise according to you not according to muslims. And there is nothing called suicide bombers in Islam.

what do you call them then? Serial killers?

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Capricorna
Because no matter how much you try icetea , everyone has his own believes and you cant change that , anyways let it begin then or whatever !

If Allah wants to guide them to the straight path then they will change. Our duty is to open their eyes to the truth, or you don't agree with me?

[IceTea]

Originally posted by TeaBagger
what do you call them then? Serial killers?

If they are fighting to raise the word of God then they are Jihadis.

[ELASTIC]

Ice Tea : Baraka Allahu Feeka

O Allah help my brother for your remembrance and your gratitude and help him in offering the best worship to You. Amen

:yes: well done

[IceTea]

Originally posted by ELASTIC
Ice Tea : Baraka Allahu Feeka

O Allah help my brother for your remembrance and your gratitude and help him in offering the best worship to You. Amen

:yes: well done

Thanx brother for the du3a ;).

God bless you.

[Capricorna]

Originally posted by IceTea
If Allah wants to guide them to the straight path then they will change. Our duty is to open their eyes to the truth, or you don't agree with me?


:yes:

[sanwin25]

Enigma, can we have all the unnecessary chit chat deleted please ?