Who is more contact with his GOD

[Try2FindMe]

muslims MUST go to pray 35 times a week

Cristians MUST (i dont know if it is must or up to him) go to Church 1 a week

Jew MUST go (i dont know but it seem same as Critians, 1 a week)

[Scottish]

Two points of view:

I used to work with a guy. All he did was talk. Talk, talk, talk. We'd be in a transport. Yap yap yap. We'd be in a car. yada yada yada. The more he talked, the less we listened. Pretty soon, he was like white noise. All of us completely ignored him.


The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

If you are implying that Islam "must" because they pray a billion times a day, that is rather shallow, don't you think?

[Try2FindMe]

If you are implying that Islam "must" because they pray a billion times a day, that is rather shallow, don't you think?

no i don't,

what i mean, in islam the pray is must, if Muslm ignor it, he is not muslim.
thats it,

i hope u get my point

[sanwin25]

No we don't get it.

Which is better :

Praying once a week but doing good deeds, charity, helping the sick, not harming anyone


OR


Praying five times a day but then participating in Jihad, behading kufar, suicide bombers, etc, etc.

I go with number 1.

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by sanwin25
No we don't get it.

Which is better :

Praying once a week but doing good deeds, charity, helping the sick, not harming anyone


OR


Praying five times a day but then participating in Jihad, behading kufar, suicide bombers, etc, etc.

I go with number 1.

nither one or two,

reviced Q
Which Better

Prying Five Times a week?
or
Once a week?

the other tally is another story

[Scottish]

That's funny, my wife and I spend 3 months of every year doing charitable work. Medical and infrastructure. 1/3 of our income goes to charities that we know and are involved in.

My children are involved in the charities as well. Yet, I hardly ever go to church, because I don't believe that God spends all his time inside of churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, wherever.

So, because you pray 5 times a day, while I'm too busy digging wells, building sewage drainage, creating running water, safety wiring mosques and churches in the middle of nowhere, God hears you more?

Quantity does not make better quality.

I hope you catch my point.

[Soulless]

Originally posted by sanwin25
No we don't get it.

Which is better :

Praying once a week but doing good deeds, charity, helping the sick, not harming anyone


OR


Praying five times a day but then participating in Jihad, behading kufar, suicide bombers, etc, etc.

I go with number 1.

seems that you have no TV in your Home ?

hmmm poor Sandwitch

can you pleas lis for me the good deeds ?
:inno:

[MoonChild]

I don't know about Judaism, but Christians are taught to pray frequently - morning prayers, prayer before each meal, bedtime prayers, as well as prayerful attitude in their daily life.

Going to church once a week doesn't mean praying once a week.

[Wanderer]

Prayers don't do anything.

It is human sacrifices that the gods want.

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Wanderer
Prayers don't do anything.

It is human sacrifices that the gods want.

Caution: Huitzilopochtli is angry. And he cries more, more, more. (Not a rebel yell)

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Scottish
Caution: Huitzilopochtli is angry.

You'd be angry if no one fed you for 500 years, either!

[Scottish]

Originally posted by MoonChild
You'd be angry if no one fed you for 500 years, either!

Something told me that only you and Wandy would have the heart to find out the reference.

[Dr N]

I'm not here to judge anyone, but I'm just gonna give you all my point of view, keeping in mind that I have all respect to all other religions.

The idea of praying 5 times a day is to keep you connected to God and make your life more spiritual. I'm not saying that by praying, nothing else is important, but praying is a way of keeping your bonds strong, and showing your blessings to God for everything, whether good or bad, and it's a way of talking to him. That's the idea behind praying.

Now doing good deeds, doesn't necessarily means that you're religious, it means you're a good person, there's the difference. There's a lot of people, who don't believe in God, yet you find them involved in many good acts. For muslims, part of the religion is to do what you can to others, try your best to help others, and do something in your society. It's not the praying, praying is a way of a person talking to God, asking for mercy, help and forgivness, it's then the good deeds that also adds to being a better religious person, in the islamic point of view, it's a whole set that comes together that cannot be seperated.:)

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by Scottish
That's funny, my wife and I spend 3 months of every year doing charitable work. Medical and infrastructure. 1/3 of our income goes to charities that we know and are involved in.

My children are involved in the charities as well. Yet, I hardly ever go to church, because I don't believe that God spends all his time inside of churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, wherever.

So, because you pray 5 times a day, while I'm too busy digging wells, building sewage drainage, creating running water, safety wiring mosques and churches in the middle of nowhere, God hears you more?

Quantity does not make better quality.

I hope you catch my point.

Yes I catch your point, but you didn't get my point.

What’s the new about what you doing?

We also involved in the cherty in our all life not only 3 month,
Muslim MUST give amount of there money to Charity whom are match with the cases which Islam set-up.
We also busy digging and building sewage, creating running water, ,,, etc.

Plus of all what you are doing we pray 35 times a week,
There is many advantage of these pray in our social not as you think, we know our god is not gain from our pray, but we will gain many thing.

i hope hope you get my point

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Dr N
I'm not here to judge anyone, but I'm just gonna give you all my point of view, keeping in mind that I have all respect to all other religions.


Excellent post, Dr N. :hbd:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Scottish
Something told me that only you and Wandy would have the heart to find out the reference.

Arrrrrggg. "... have the heart to find out "


Seems the story of Huitzilopochtli involves a mysterious pregnancy
too - very common in so many mythologies.

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Try2FindMe
Yes I catch your point, but you didn't get my point.

What’s the new about what you doing?

We also involved in the cherty in our all life not only 3 month,
Muslim MUST give amount of there money to Charity whom are match with the cases which Islam set-up.
We also busy digging and building sewage, creating running water, ,,, etc.

Plus of all what you are doing we pray 35 times a week,
There is many advantage of these pray in our social not as you think, we know our god is not gain from our pray, but we will gain many thing.

i hope hope you get my point

That's all sweet and dandy. But that's 3 months 24/7. The rest of the time, we do things here. We still have to earn a living, and our off time is still done more with charity.

I'm talking YOU. What have YOU done? Not normal everyday work. Most societies do all that as a normal way of living life. Here, we have city workers, plumbers, electricians, garbagemen. That is nothing special at all. That is society.

The reason that I don't go to church very often, is I dam near rebuilt that church by myself, I'm also the volunteer handyman to fix it, repair it, modify it, name it, I've done it there. Reroof, replumb, rewire, everything except stain glass (though it really wasn't my fault when I was 13, I was just there)

My volunteerism is year round. That is part of MY religion. Service to the community. I'm home 10 hours a day. The rest is away doing things. I normally have at least one son with me, and when my daughter is old enough her as well. This is not a 3 month, that's it, deal. That is when we give OUR time, to a different community. After my work hours, we get together as a family.

All that prayer is jolly and nice. You all get a sense of community, while we get ours by being together socially.

Praying more, does not mean better. It means different. It's a different culture and society. To compare due to religious decree, is taking away the cultural aspect. Read what Moony said as well.

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Wanderer
Arrrrrggg. "... have the heart to find out "


Seems the story of Huitzilopochtli involves a mysterious pregnancy
too - very common in so many mythologies.

I used to say, "It's okay to use a feather, just not the whole chicken." but in the context of the legend, even that is not a safe bet. You know, every family has it's issues. You're not a real family without at least one unexplained pregnancy. I guess that's enough to make anyone blue.

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Scottish
Something told me that only you and Wandy would have the heart to find out the reference.

do I get bonus points since I didn't have to look it up? :D

[Scottish]

Originally posted by MoonChild
do I get bonus points since I didn't have to look it up? :D

Massive bonus points. Even more if you caught the puns without having to look them up as well.

I took my kids to Mexico City to check that all out. Besides at the time, I was thinking of Tlazolteotl. And couldn't remember if I was getting them mixed up or not.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Scottish
You know, every family has it's issues. You're not a real family without at least one unexplained pregnancy.


I'm comfortable stating that I have an explanation for all pregnancies.

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Scottish
Even more if you caught the puns without having to look them up as well.


You mean it wasn't obvious to everyone?

I haven't actually been on an Aztec temple yet ... every time we decide to go, I get pregnant! Maybe there's something to those old gods, after all :D

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by MoonChild

I haven't actually been on an Aztec temple yet ... every time we decide to go, I get pregnant!


Again, I'm comfortable stating that I have an explanation for all pregnancies.

[Scottish]

LOL. My wife and I are blonde, my son had dark hair.

All my brothers and sister and I have blonde hair, except one brother.

My dad has dark hair, all his brothers have blonde hair.

My wife sisters all have blonde hair, mom and dad have dark hair.

I'd be suspicious if it wasn't so prevalent.

:scary:

Back to the main point. Praying alot doesn't make it better. Just gives the person personal comfort. I get personal comfort within my own religion doing it my own way. God sees through the flak.

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by Dr N
I'm not here to judge anyone, but I'm just gonna give you all my point of view, keeping in mind that I have all respect to all other religions.

The idea of praying 5 times a day is to keep you connected to God and make your life more spiritual. I'm not saying that by praying, nothing else is important, but praying is a way of keeping your bonds strong, and showing your blessings to God for everything, whether good or bad, and it's a way of talking to him. That's the idea behind praying.

Now doing good deeds, doesn't necessarily means that you're religious, it means you're a good person, there's the difference. There's a lot of people, who don't believe in God, yet you find them involved in many good acts. For muslims, part of the religion is to do what you can to others, try your best to help others, and do something in your society. It's not the praying, praying is a way of a person talking to God, asking for mercy, help and forgivness, it's then the good deeds that also adds to being a better religious person, in the islamic point of view, it's a whole set that comes together that cannot be seperated.:)

you are right

[X-press]

I know that muslims should pray 5 times a day, but it doesn't automatically mean that they are all really connected to Allah (God) when they do prostrate.

I have seen too often people praying so fast and having no real remembrance of what they said, just for the sake of finishing their due prayers.

Praying 5 times is a must for a muslim, but what matters more is how well the prayers are performed and how connect someone is with God.

I agree that a Christian might go to a church once a week (I know my auty goes first thing every morning), but his or her prayers might be more sincere than someone praying all day all night.

In brief, the amount of prayers doesn't automatically make someone a good believer or a better one than someone from another faith.

[Desert_Sloath]

Originally posted by X-press



1:

I have seen too often people praying so fast and having no real remembrance of what they said, just for the sake of finishing their due prayers.

2:

Praying 5 times is a must for a muslim, but what matters more is how well the prayers are performed and how connect someone is with God.

3:

I agree that a Christian might go to a church once a week (I know my auty goes first thing every morning), but his or her prayers might be more sincere than someone praying all day all night.

4:

In brief, the amount of prayers doesn't automatically make someone a good believer or a better one than someone from another faith.





Alas !


No good Muslims as would be expected nor a good Christian


wonder who is 'shaping our world' ?

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by Scottish
That's all sweet and dandy. But that's 3 months 24/7. The rest of the time, we do things here. We still have to earn a living, and our off time is still done more with charity.

I'm talking YOU. What have YOU done? Not normal everyday work. Most societies do all that as a normal way of living life. Here, we have city workers, plumbers, electricians, garbagemen. That is nothing special at all. That is society.

The reason that I don't go to church very often, is I dam near rebuilt that church by myself, I'm also the volunteer handyman to fix it, repair it, modify it, name it, I've done it there. Reroof, replumb, rewire, everything except stain glass (though it really wasn't my fault when I was 13, I was just there)

My volunteerism is year round. That is part of MY religion. Service to the community. I'm home 10 hours a day. The rest is away doing things. I normally have at least one son with me, and when my daughter is old enough her as well. This is not a 3 month, that's it, deal. That is when we give OUR time, to a different community. After my work hours, we get together as a family.

All that prayer is jolly and nice. You all get a sense of community, while we get ours by being together socially.

Praying more, does not mean better. It means different. It's a different culture and society. To compare due to religious decree, is taking away the cultural aspect. Read what Moony said as well.

ok,
why you do all this volnteers for the Church? and you are often go there? because you volnteer for repairing?

muslms build the Masjid to Worship the God, if one muslm volanteer to build, repair, clean & do double what you are doing but he is not come to masjid and pray five time a day with out any reason, he is NOT muslm, even if he is the Best in the World.

my point is the line to be muslm or not is to follow the Islam Rule.

PTW, what is the line (in your view) if you cross it you are not Cristian?

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by X-press
I know that muslims should pray 5 times a day, but it doesn't automatically mean that they are all really connected to Allah (God) when they do prostrate.

I have seen too often people praying so fast and having no real remembrance of what they said, just for the sake of finishing their due prayers.

Praying 5 times is a must for a muslim, but what matters more is how well the prayers are performed and how connect someone is with God.

I agree that a Christian might go to a church once a week (I know my auty goes first thing every morning), but his or her prayers might be more sincere than someone praying all day all night.

In brief, the amount of prayers doesn't automatically make someone a good believer or a better one than someone from another faith.
X-press,

yes you are write,
but what you suggest to thats man who pray fast, to stop his pray or continue ?

which better,
if you are a way from your home,
to call your family five times a day or once aweek?

[X-press]

Try2FindMe, I understand that you might feel that what is best is to follow the islamic rule, but you can't force everyone to think the same way.

I believe that Scottish doesn't want to be muslim, christian or someone belonging to any particular faith. His faith is in his heart and he probably feels that he is as much close to God by doing voluntary or charitable work than someone who is praying only. I guess it is better to let him speak for himself ;).

I suppose muslims are obliged to pray 5 times a day, as if they didn't they would very easily forget God, His Words and most probably go astray. I want to also say that unfortunately, not all muslims pray daily. Many do not pray at all and we can also find some muslims who will only pray on Friday or during Ramadhan...which is very sad!

The beauty of all the muslims praying sincerely 5 times a day is that God ends up being worshipped every minutes all day long across the world.

[Try2FindMe]

Originally posted by X-press
Try2FindMe, I understand that you might feel that what is best is to follow the islamic rule, but you can't force everyone to think the same way.

I believe that Scottish doesn't want to be muslim, christian or someone belonging to any particular faith. His faith is in his heart and he probably feels that he is as much close to God by doing voluntary or charitable work than someone who is praying only. I guess it is better to let him speak for himself ;).

I suppose muslims are obliged to pray 5 times a day, as if they didn't they would very easily forget God, His Words and most probably go astray. I want to also say that unfortunately, not all muslims pray daily. Many do not pray at all and we can also find some muslims who will only pray on Friday or during Ramadhan...which is very sad!

The beauty of all the muslims praying sincerely 5 times a day is that God ends up being worshipped every minutes all day long across the world.

yes X-press you are right, im just want to Deliver my view,

and i hope he get my point :duck:

[Pineapple Thief]

Originally posted by Wanderer
Prayers don't do anything.

It is human sacrifices that the gods want.

Ive got 33 virgins tied and gagged in my basement, Im waiting for the next eclipse to sacrifice their souls to Bolon Itzacab so as to attain eternal youth!

[Scottish]

Bolon is just a bunch of hot air.

Huitzilopochtli is the real deal. No matter what direction you look towards.

[Scottish]

Bolon is just a bunch of hot air.

Huitzilopochtli is the real deal. No matter what direction you look towards.