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A simple question:
Do you believe that the religion you hold is the ONLY right one and that all others are feeble attempts at happiness or understanding the world OR do you believe that all religions are true, right and its just a matter of chosing a different path, all which lead to the same goal?
Scottish
13-06-04, 12:57 AM
All paths lead to God. All religions are good. I've said this in several threads, but some wish to paste me with an anti-religion thread, when in fact, I'm probably more spiritual then most.
Cetacea
13-06-04, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by Enigma
Do you believe that the religion you hold is the ONLY right one and that all others are feeble attempts at happiness or understanding the world
Absolutely not. I don’t think I know enough to say which religion is right or wrong, thus I try to keep an open-mind and learn as much as I can. All moral issues are up for debate. The only time I feel strongly that I’m right and others are wrong is when debating elementary level, observable, and widely accepted scientific facts. If a religion was based entirely on the flat earth theory or 1+1 = 3, I would probably question its followers mental state.
Originally posted by Enigma
OR do you believe that all religions are true, right and its just a matter of chosing a different path, all which lead to the same goal?
Only the three monotheist religions lead to the same God. All other religions are on different paths to different goals.
Arabian Princess
13-06-04, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Enigma
Do you believe that the religion you hold is the ONLY right one and that all others are feeble attempts at happiness or understanding the world
yes I beleive who truly knows Islam, would beleive that.
However, at the same time I like to follow prophet Mohammed's peace be upon him in this Sura (alkafroon):
Say: O unbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship(5)Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion (6)
"Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning"[3:19]
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers".[3:85]
X-press
13-06-04, 02:07 PM
Do you believe that the religion you hold is the ONLY right one and that all others are feeble attempts at happiness or understanding the world
All monotheist religions link us to the same most important point which is to believe in the existance of One God and to worship Him. Looking at that angle, they are all right when it comes to understanding His Existance.
However, I will still view Islam as the main religion as it is through its revelations that God has given His final words and has given us a complete sets of guidance between right and wrong.
X-press
13-06-04, 02:09 PM
OR do you believe that all religions are true, right and its just a matter of chosing a different path, all which lead to the same goal?
If I did agree that all religions were true, than I wouldn't call myself a muslim. I would be a polytheist which is strongly rejected in Islam.
I would rather say that all the monotheist religions have a lots of truth in them, as they are each the word of God given at a consecutive period of time. What is not true, especially when it comes to the Bibles (not Christianity) is what has been changed by the hands of men. I am not the one making such statement, but Our Creator Himself said it repeatedly in his last revelations via his last chosen prophet.
All monotheist religions have the same path, which is to worship God and acknowledge His Existance, but following a certain Faith is not enough. Religion is more than Faith only. Men need a complete set of guidance in order to win Paradise after death and avoid Hell. This complete set of guidance between right and wrong is to my opinion only find in the Quran.
At the end what matters is not us saying "You are wrong, I am right", but what Our Creator said was wrong and right...
I believe that Islam is the only right path to follow. And one of the reasons I believe this is because of something XP mentioned.
Originally posted by X-press
[BReligion is more than Faith only. Men need a complete set of guidance in order to win Paradise after death and avoid Hell. This complete set of guidance between right and wrong is to my opinion only find in the Quran.[/B]
Even though i was brought up to believe that Islam is the only true religion and if u're not a muslim then u're going to hell..and all that , but deep down.. I feel that god isnt that harsh..and that there are different judging methods for different people with different religions. If a person is good , clean hearted and doesnt do anything wrong.. then I think that that person would end up going to heaven as a reward , despite his/her religious beliefs.
but then again thats just how I think.. whether its true.. or not.. only god knows. :)
Scottish
13-06-04, 07:24 PM
Religion is more than Faith only. Men need a complete set of guidance in order to win Paradise after death and avoid Hell. This complete set of guidance between right and wrong is to my opinion only find in the Quran.
You must all think mankind is so stupid and childish. Out of curiousity, do you all write down every house rule in your home for your children? Do you tell them, "Thou shalt wash thy hands before every meal." ? In the written word?
Or do you expect to tell your children once, remind them on occasion until they are around 8, then they simply know, from then on they wash their hands and face before dinner?
I don't believe man NEEDS a book to tell them what is right and wrong. We already know, and some have problems with or without a book.
I have issues with "changed by the hand of man". They were all written by man, in my opinion. It takes God to create man, it took man to create religion.
Nocia9600
13-06-04, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Scottish
I don't believe man NEEDS a book to tell them what is right and wrong.
Why do u follow law of each country you travel to whether u like them or not.
And if u do not, your are in jail or facing a court.
Are these not writen law? I am sure they are in a some sort of book.:wave:
So in order to avoid hell in hereafter and running their social life good on earth, reliogin people follow GOD written law.
MoonChild
13-06-04, 11:05 PM
Enigma, you left a choice out.
I believe that all religions are, in one aspect or another, wrong.
I've studied most of them (well, most of the living ones, and some of the defunct ones as well), and none meet my basic requirements for eligibility as "true" - that they be internally consistent, and consistent in their claims about the world with what can be observed about the world.
Each has elements of what I consider truth (or at least good advice), and as such can help people be better human beings, so in that respect I agree with Scottish that all religions have the same goal and can lead one on a desirable path. However, some religions seem to have more limited effectiveness in how far one can travel down that path when following it's teachings...
Scottish
13-06-04, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Nocia9600
Why do u follow law of each country you travel to whether u like them or not.
And if u do not, your are in jail or facing a court.
Are these not writen law? I am sure they are in a some sort of book.:wave:
So in order to avoid hell in hereafter and running their social life good on earth, reliogin people follow GOD written law.
Funny you should say that. I don't study everyones laws where I go, because of common sense. I don't need to study Sierra Leone law to know that killing is bad. I don't need to study Singaporan law to know that it is bad form to spit on the sidewalk. I don't have to study their laws to know to respect their police and people.
What laws could I break that would land me in jail and in court that doesn't entail common sense, tact and maturity?
What written law does it take NOT to kill someone? Such children.
X-press
14-06-04, 12:02 AM
It takes God to create man, it took man to create religion.
That is your opinion Scottish and I do not intend to change it, like you will not manage to change ours.
If there is a 'Book', it is not only to learn how to wash our hands. It covers every aspects of life and believers go over and over the pages of this Holy Book (for us muslim, the Quran) to get the correct informations and be sure that no mistake is made.
An exemple it the right of inheritance. Even if we heard the 'laws' through our parents, it doesn't mean that we know 100% the guidelines covering the right of inheritance or each member of the family. Any mistake will be taken as unlawful, so why take such a chance when we have a Book that we can consult and which will be a Proof of truth?
Proof of Truth for us, muslim...I know not for you Scottish and it is fine with me ;).
X-press
14-06-04, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by MoonChild
I agree with Scottish that all religions have the same goal and can lead one on a desirable path. However, some religions seem to have more limited effectiveness in how far one can travel down that path when following it's teachings...
...and some of these religions are? I am sure you don't have by any chance Islam in your mind MoonChild.
Again, what is extremely effective for a believer might appear very weak, if not useless, for a non believer.
Scottish
14-06-04, 12:28 AM
That's odd. We have laws of inheritance here, within our family. We've done it since long before, it has never changed, and we've never had a problem with it. Nor have we ever bickered, and when taxes were do on my Grandfathers property, we all chipped in to pay it for my Uncle.
We have had an oral tradition handed down for generations. And we have abided to it for generations. As my children are raised in that tradition. And yes, my children go to church because it is important for them to have spiritual exposure outside of the family. Just as I have.
I didn't like the history of my faith, but never rescinded my faith and belief in God. What does that tell you? LOL.
That saying is true, and you know it. Whether invented by divine guidance or the good intentions of good men. It doesn't matter. That's what you can't deal with.
Nocia9600
14-06-04, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Scottish
. It takes God to create man, it took man to create religion. This sounds like this "it takes human to create car, it took car to create user manual":D :D
Scottish
14-06-04, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Nocia9600
This sounds like this "it takes human to create car, it took car to create user manual":D :D
When a car gets intelligence, then we'll talk.
Nocia9600
14-06-04, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Scottish
When a car gets intelligence, then we'll talk. ok You've answer your self "When man gets GOD capacity then we'll talk " And that will never happen so we'd Better leave there.
Scottish
14-06-04, 08:24 PM
What is "God capacity"?
We can create new life, we can destroy life. We can create the energy of the sun, and destroy with it. We create new land, we create water out of the desert.
Yet none of us are Gods.
Nocia9600
14-06-04, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Scottish
What is "God capacity"?
I will give only one among many, Allah rise sun east to west,
Can you make the sun rise from the west?
Scottish
14-06-04, 10:26 PM
LOL. No, but I also can't touch my right elbow with my right hand. Rather simplistic physics but ok.
MoonChild
14-06-04, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by X-press
...and some of these religions are? I am sure you don't have by any chance Islam in your mind MoonChild.
Quit projecting your own insecurities on me. I wasn't implying anything :rolleyes:
Homeless
15-06-04, 12:00 AM
I believe that other religions were from god but I also believe that they have been inturpretted and many things were changed in them so yes I have to say that islaaam is the only right religion
I believe that there is only one right religion and that is islam.
Scottish
19-06-04, 07:53 PM
Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Don't kill anyone.
OMG, I changed it. It's now wrong.
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