The Disbelievers, Atheists

[Nocia9600]

I just wonder why The Disbelievers and Atheists want to discuss religion where as themselves do not believe in it.

May be they feel like something is missing inside them I do not know.

Please all member are invited to explore this topic

[sanwin25]

We often ask that same question of you.

Why do you participate in this forum when you bring nothing to the table (other than repeating verses like a parrot) ?

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by sanwin25
We often ask that same question of you.

You can not answer a question with a question, pleasee stay in the topic

[sanwin25]

It wasn't a question.... more like a rhetorical statement.

Like "why do people with limited intellectual capabilities try to participate in philosophical discussions ?"

Please don't answer that, it wasn't a question.

[amo_l_oman]

Maybe they just want to use their brain in a proper way.
I suppose that religion for them is like any other field of knowledge.

[MoonChild]

Most "disbelievers and athiests" became that way after using their brains to examine the religion they were fed as children. They often know far more about the religion they were brought up in AND about other religions, than the "true believers".

Participation in religious discussions is therefore based on a lively curiosity about the world, the people in it, and a desire to teach what they've learned and to learn more from each other.

What's your motivation? so far you haven't really contributed anything of substance, you've just called other people names.

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by MoonChild
you've just called other people names. I am so suprised why you are so angry with this topic where I ve seen many topic discussing Allah and funny and bad things are said.

Or is it ok to discuss GOD say whatever you want and is not ok to discuss this topic (human beings who are rejecting the faith)?

[MoonChild]

I'm not angry at all. Simply making an observation that the bulk (if not all) of your posts are comments about other people (generally to call them unbelievers) rather than actually addressing the topic of the thread.

Therefore I'm interested in your motivation in being here at all, since it's not to participate in the discussions.

why do you accuse me of disliking the topic? After all, I am participating in it and answered your question in a serious way.

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by MoonChild

Therefore I'm interested in your motivation in being here at all, since it's not to participate in the discussions.

I have participated and read most of discussions and I came up with this topic to find out what are motivation of people who do not have faith and are discussing GOD, Allah.

What is your goal is it to except one of the faith? or whatelse?

[MoonChild]

I promise, I'll answer you but just spent too much time on a long post in other thread, so right now I have to get back to work :)

[Scottish]

The point is, what right does a muslim have speaking ill of christianity if they don't believe it?

What right does a christian have talking ill of Islam if they don't believe that?

We can promote that chain of thought that would make it restrictive for anyone to talk of anything.

By your analogy, what right does a religious person have to speak of an atheist and their beliefs?

An atheist has the same right to speak of religion, as a muslim does speaking of christianity, as a religious person does speaking of atheism.

It's a circle.

You wish to silence the voice of those that don't believe as you do. Censorship of thought is evil.

It leads to you being told what to think.

My goal in life is not my religion. My goal in life is to make a better world for my children, to teach them to be decent human beings. Free to have their own thoughts, beliefs and opinions.

[Nocia9600]

First we do believe in all three major religion Islam, Christianity or Judaism and All three believe in god exitence.

speaking is not a problem but what is the motive and goal of an atheist talking on something which they believe doesn't exist.

May be finding the true faith. God willing they will find one. Amin

[Scottish]

LOL. I don't consider myself any of your main religions. I'm not Christian, Jew, nor Muslim. I'm not Hindu, I'm not Buddhist.

I believe in God in my own way in a religion that sacked Rome at the height of Roman power. It survived the slaughter of our religious leaders and political powerbase. Who are you to tell me I don't know God, when we have had the concept longer? Who are you to tell me what a "true faith" is? My religion even allows and encourages the acceptance and knowledge of other religions. It is tolerant. Yours can't say the same.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Nocia9600

speaking is not a problem but what is the motive and goal of an atheist talking on something which they believe doesn't exist.



If you met someone who believed that the Earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle wouldn't you try to help them ?

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Wanderer
If you met someone who believed that the Earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle wouldn't you try to help them ? So you want to help the three major religion Islam, Christianity or Judaism with their followers and tell them God doen't exist. It is a big job I tell you.

You may need to come up with your own one detailed holy book and win followers who can trust it.

[Scottish]

LOL, Wandy already made up a religion.

So how did you get that he is trying to convince people God does not exist by that sentence? I grew up also in the Free Church of Scotland (Protestants basically) and we were never taught that the earth was flat or rested on the back of a giant turtle.

So again, who are you to tell me what a "true faith" is?

Are you confused yet? LOL.

[BoboBinDreadAlRasta]

I think the answer to the original question is:

1. To try to show believers that they are wrong.
2. To engage in stimulating debate
3. To irritate some people

For some reason the expression "the difference between rape and rapture is the method of presentation" comes to mind.

[Nocia9600]

Man of science how old is the science?

[Scottish]

Science started when man made the first fire. You think it just started or do you believe it was trial and error? Do you think they just "knew" flint could cause a spark? It started when Man decided it was easier to kill with a stick then with his hands. It started when he realized how to push a mastadon off a cliff. So linear in your thought.

Person of religion, how old is the religion?

Far less then science.

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Scottish
Science started when man made the first fire. You think it just started or do you believe it was trial and error? Do you think they just "knew" flint could cause a spark? It started when Man decided it was easier to kill with a stick then with his hands. It started when he realized how to push a mastadon off a cliff. So linear in your thought.

Person of religion, how old is the religion?

Far less then science. When did the man make the first fire or decided it was easier to kill with stick than with his hand?

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Nocia9600
When did the man make the first fire or decided it was easier to kill with stick than with his hand?

LOL, is that the best you can do as a retort? Of course it was before the written hand. Look at bloody cave drawings. That was long before religion as well. You know, where they show spears, etc? LOL

Very weak. Now answer my question.

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Scottish
That was long before religion as well.
And you have not given any date or say 600 millions years ago. LOL. At list we know over 1400 year ago QURAN wa revealed to Prophet Mohammed SAW. .:yes:

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Nocia9600
And you have not given any date or say 600 millions years ago. LOL. At list we know over 1400 year ago QURAN wa revealed to Prophet Mohammed SAW. .:yes:

What kind of denial is that???? Are you saying that fire was never invented because there is no "definitive" date? That has got to rate at one of the goofiest justifications I've read today.

Are you implying that "religion" has been around longer then "science"? Some peoples kids...

http://www.insticeagestudies.com/library/iceagelamps.html

The controlled use of fire, first achieved at least half a million years ago, is one of the great innovations in human culture. Although archaeologists and anthropologists generally emphasize the importance of fire for cooking, warmth and protection from predators, the light accompanying fire was also a precious resource, one that made it possible to extend human activity to times and places that are naturally dark. The invention of stone, fat-burning lamps, which happened in Ice Age Europe nearly 40,000 years ago, offered the first effective, portable means of exploiting this aspect of fire. The appearance of lamps broadly coincides with a number of other extraordinary cultural changes, including the emergence of art, personal adornment and complex weapons systems.

Many scholars have hypothesized about how Ice Age lamps functioned and were used, but nobody had ever undertaken a systematic study of them. One of us (de Beaune) therefore set out to examine these lamps in detail and to classify them by type. In conjunction with that project, we built working replicas of stone lamps in order to analyze their effectiveness as light sources and to learn about their design, fabrication and use. The results of this investigation provide a provocative insight into the technology and behavior of some of the earliest modern humans in Europe.

[Enigma]

Originally posted by Wanderer
If you met someone who believed that the Earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle wouldn't you try to help them ?

Wanderer, if your goal of posting here is to 'help' muslims in your own twisted way then I strongly suggest you consider abandoning your "rescue mission".

[Nocia9600]

Originally posted by Scottish
Are you implying that "religion" has been around longer then "science"? Yes I do, because science only use (study, experement, built up on etc) things which they found ready made by GOD. i.e MARS is there ready made for us to explore and come up with theories.

[Scottish]

Originally posted by Nocia9600
Yes I do, because science only use (study, experement, built up on etc) things which they found ready made by GOD.

LOL...OK. I can't argue with a zealot with an argument like that. Continue your denial, seems to fit you fine. Good luck.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Enigma
Wanderer, if your goal of posting here is to 'help' muslims in your own twisted way then I strongly suggest you consider abandoning your "rescue mission".


And do you then promise to not engage in the same sorts of activity ?


If you met someone who believed that the Earth was flat and rested on the back of a giant turtle you wouldn't try to change their mind ?

What if they believe that the Moon is made of cheese ? What if they offered "proof" ?

I have no goal to convert anyone to anything. But if I ran into a Moon out of Cheese believer who claimed to have proof, it better stand up to scrutiny :yes:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by amo_l_oman
Maybe they just want to use their brain in a proper way.
I suppose that religion for them is like any other field of knowledge.

I'm sorry I overlooked this post early on. This is a great explanation as to why I engage in discussions about religion.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Nocia9600
speaking is not a problem but what is the motive and goal of an atheist talking on something which they believe doesn't exist.


You have not fully grasped the situation.

No one disputes that Religion exisits. So we can talk about religion whether we believe in gods or not.

As a simplification, you and I both believe that most gods are make believe. I just happen to believe that one more god is make believe than you do - ( 3 arguably, as I don't consider the Muslim god to be the same as the Jewish god nor the Christian god, but you have them as 1 so we go with 1 for now).

[amo_l_oman]

Originally posted by Wanderer
great explanation as to why I engage in discussions about religion.

though i must say that Niggy describing your attitude in some occasions as the religious police is quite true :p
Didn't see your contribute in the thread:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22939

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by amo_l_oman
Didn't see your contribute in the thread:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=22939



Just a timing issue.

:wave:

[Nocia9600]

Still unclear to some non-muslim post in the forum especially like this onehttp://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=365253#post365253