After reading up on Hinduism I learned that it is based on the assumption that there are many paths to the 'truth' and that the world's religions are alternate paths to that goal, typically they have not engaged in religious debates or 'holy wars' with those holding different beliefs Because of this base.

Although this religion has some strange ideas (to me) like karma, nirvana and the caste system I have to say I respect it much because of its peace.

~ What do you think about this 'many paths' belief of hinduism?

You said it yourself that it's all based on human beings assumptions.

Originally posted by Enigma
~ What do you think about this 'many paths' belief of hinduism?

I think it's absolutely correct.

Originally posted by IceTea
You said it yourself that it's all based on human beings assumptions.

Hinduism has no scriptures that are thought to be inspired by a god or gods and is not based upon the teachings of any one person.... its an ethical religion (ideal way of life religion).

Actually i've never read a lot about hinduism.

So whats the strange stuff you found enigma?

Originally posted by Enigma
Hinduism has no scriptures that are thought to be inspired by a god or gods and is not based upon the teachings of any one person.... its an ethical religion (ideal way of life religion).

Exactly, correct!

That might come across as surprising to the "people of the book" (Jews, Christians and Muslims), but Hinduism like quite few other religions see itself more like a guide to life; Life's questions and how to go about seeking those answers.

We don't quite ponder over who made the earth and the sky, when did the mighty creator rest and why did he rest on one particular day etc. Well, some people do get stuck on trivia questions like that, but the idea's beyond that.

Although this religion has some strange ideas (to me) like karma, nirvana and the caste system I have to say I respect it much because of its peace.

Caste system was born out of one of the Vedas (Vedas were religious books written ages back) where 5 different set of people were born of the a sacrifices body parts. Those who came off the head would rule; those who came off the feet would be travellers and salespeople; those who came off the hand would be servants etc. And doing their job precisely according to this was a honor for most people, even if they were slaves. BUT, somewhere down the line everything tends to go wrong .. and it did.

I actually find nothing wrong/wierd with Nirvana and Karma. Actually, quite a lot of people around the world tend to agree with Hinduism because of how Karma/Nirvana works.

"Nirvana; becoming liberated from the world by uniting the individual soul with the universal soul. "

What does that mean!!!!

Nirvana = a form of ultimate knowledge, intelligence where you're pure off all sort of evil/hatred and earthly attachments.

You reach the Nirvana stage when you start thinking about why you've been born into this world, what you need to do to reach your ultimate goal and how you go about doing it. You seek for long term happiness and not short term. By short term, I mean all earthly attachment happiness. You leave all attachments behind and only live your life seeking "the answer".

What IS the universal soul??

Dear Niggy,

It's a shame this has not been put in the "monotheist" Sabla (I complained about the definitions before, but I don't think they got it):

The "Universal Soul" is the equivalent to God in many beliefs (including mine as it happens). The difference between the Universal Soul and other attitudes to God is that, in Islam for instance, God is the Creator who expects to be obeyed, praised and thanked by His creations, who are different to Him.

But the Universal Soul, though he/she/it is the single supreme being, is found in all the Universe. The non-physical part which you might call the soul, which exists in all of us, is actually an integral part of the Supreme Being, not a wholly separate and lesser being to be punisehd and rewarded. Your life goal, or "Karma" if you like, is to achieve a state of enlightenment ("Nirvana"), by transcending your own ego, and allowing yourself to understand that which, by virture of having a "soul", you already know. At this point of "enlightenment", you return fully to one-ness with the "Universal Soul". Many, like Hindus, believe that you may return in many physical lives and forms until you reach this goal.

Basically, faiths which believe in the "Universal Soul" believe that we are all essentially part of God, and will find our "heaven" once we realise it and act like it. If we don't, then we will not be sent to a hot place for toasting and poking up the arse with tridents for all eternity. We will simply go round and round again in our unsatisfactory and confused lives until we get there.

Originally posted by Enigma
Hinduism has no scriptures that are thought to be inspired by a god or gods and is not based upon the teachings of any one person.... its an ethical religion (ideal way of life religion).

Are you telling me that they never heard about Islam and it's teachings. If a badwin man was asked do you believe in Allah, he said the road means a travel and a camel sh!t (sorry for the word which means "ba3rah" in arbic) means a camel then how about this universe with a skeys and stars doesn't it proves that there is a God behind all this!! (see this is a simple man was able to recoginze the existance of Allah by nature).

And Islam is a way of life.

Tap, tap...

Shit, my gibberish to English translator is broken.

Anyone can translate that for me ?

Erm Mimosa I put it here on purpose because I read it was a polytheism religion!

So from what I read, Hinduism doesn't believe in hell ?

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Ice Tea what does Islam have to do with this? :lost: We're talking about Hinduism, stay on topic!

Oh and btw, I'm sure they've all heard of Islam... How do you think Pakistan/India happened?

Originally posted by Enigma


Ice Tea what does Islam have to do with this? :lost: We're talking about Hinduism, stay on topic!


You were talking about scriptures :rolleyes:

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Oh and btw, I'm sure they've all heard of Islam... How do you think Pakistan/India happened?

So they don't have excuse now, since the know about Islam and they refuse to submit to the true faith of Islam. btw Islam is not for arabs only Allah sent prophet Mohammed PBUH to be the rescuer for the whole humanity.

Originally posted by IceTea
You were talking about scriptures :rolleyes:

Aha, so?



So they don't have excuse now, since the know about Islam and they refuse to submit to the true faith of Islam. btw Islam is not for arabs only Allah sent prophet Mohammed PBUH to be the rescuer for the whole humanity.

Lets go back to, what was it the nineteen forties? When the muslims and hindus were fighting to death over Pakistan/India/Kashmir (recently)... If someone has just killed your daughter and sons because of that I doubt you will be eager to learn about their religion much less accept it.

Yes Icey, we KNOW that Islam is for the whole wide world!

Originally posted by Enigma


Lets go back to, what was it the nineteen forties? When the muslims and hindus were fighting to death over Pakistan/India/Kashmir (recently)... If someone has just killed your daughter and sons because of that I doubt you will be eager to learn about their religion much less accept it.



Civil wars are based on rights, what is Islam to do with it?

Originally posted by IceTea
Civil wars are based on rights, what is Islam to do with it?

The Hindus hated the muslims! Why would they convert to their religion?

Originally posted by Enigma
The Hindus hated the muslims! Why would they convert to their religion?

Why would they hate them, they could hate their personality but what is Islam to do with it. This means they didn't understand Islam as a religion of peace and a complete way of life instead they concentrate on following their own made 'religion'.

Originally posted by IceTea
Why would they hate them, they could hate their personality but what is Islam to do with it. This means they didn't understand Islam as a religion of peace and a complete way of life instead they concentrate on following their own made 'religion'.

I spent most of this semester learning about this stuff. Interviews with Hindus (and most who live in India) all were terrified of Islam 'sword religion' was what they described it.

Sometimes I feel like muslims are too violent :os

Civil wars are based on rights, what is Islam to do with it?

Talk about a Freduian slip !

Originally posted by Enigma
I spent most of this semester learning about this stuff. Interviews with Hindus (and most who live in India) all were terrified of Islam 'sword religion' was what they described it.

Sometimes I feel like muslims are too violent :os

And what was your role as a muslim, did you show them the true meaning of Islam?

Originally posted by IceTea
And what was your role as a muslim, did you show them the true meaning of Islam?

Haven't been to India. Have you dear?

Originally posted by Enigma
Haven't been to India. Have you dear?

You said you spent a lot of time with them, interview, etc. So what was your role as a muslim when they said what they said about Islam?

Originally posted by IceTea
You said you spent a lot of time with them, interview, etc. So what was your role as a muslim when they said what they said about Islam?

I STUDIED IT. Not spent time with them.

Anyways, this is off topic. No more Icey.

Thank you.!

Originally posted by Enigma
I spent most of this semester learning about this stuff. Interviews with Hindus (and most who live in India)

Originally posted by IceTea
You said you spent a lot of time with them, interview, etc. So what was your role as a muslim when they said what they said about Islam?
Icy, she meant reading the interviews, not conducting the interviews.

There is a Chinese proverb – the frog at the bottom of the well. The story goes like this: a bird stops at a well to take a drink and sees a frog who lives in the well. They argue about how the sky looks like. The frog says the sky is the size of the opening of the well but the bird disagrees. This proverb refers to somebody who has a very narrow-minded and insulated view of what they see or what they think.

The world is much more complex and diverse than just Islam, the Qur’an and the Hadeeth. It would be nice if you come out of your well once in a while and see what the outside world is like and how the “other” 5 billion people think and live.

Originally posted by Cetacea
Icy, she meant reading the interviews, not conducting the interviews.


Ok thanx for the clarification, I hope she makes herself clear nex time ;).


The world is much more complex and diverse than just Islam, the Qur’an and the Hadeeth. It would be nice if you come out of your well once in a while and see what the outside world is like and how the “other” 5 billion people think and live.

Frog, bird, well, etc nice before bed story :D

Islam is a religion for all humanity and it's a religion to remain forever. And I'm not against knowing how others live their life and what system they follow. The enemies of Islam want to stop the light of Allah but Allah light will continue shining.

Originally posted by IceTea
Frog, bird, well, etc nice before bed story :D

It WAS a bedtime story talking about closed-minded people.
Originally posted by IceTea
The enemies of Islam want to stop the light of Allah but Allah light will continue shining.
Like how it shined in Karbala 1364 years ago and when Taliban took over Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Cetacea


Like how it shined in Karbala 1364 years ago and when Taliban took over Afghanistan.

You need to look at the actual practice ofl true muslims and at the principles of the system itself and not people.

Originally posted by IceTea
You need to look at the actual practice ofl true muslims and at the principles of the system itself and not people.
Oh sure, if you just ignore ALL the bad people and bad deeds they’ve done in the name of Islam, Islam is indeed a religion of peace.
Icy rule #1: Only good people are Muslims = all Muslims are good = Islam is a religion of peace.
Icy rule #2: Bad Muslims are not Muslims = all Muslims are good = Islam is a religion of peace.

:scratch:

Originally posted by Cetacea
Oh sure, if you just ignore ALL the bad people and bad deeds they’ve done in the name of Islam, Islam is indeed a religion of peace.
Icy rule #1: Only good people are Muslims = all Muslims are good = Islam is a religion of peace.
Icy rule #2: Bad Muslims are not Muslims = all Muslims are good = Islam is a religion of peace.

:scratch:

Agrain you are judging Islam as a true religion based on the actions of people, is all fingers the same? same things with muslims not all of them practicing Islam in the right way, there are many muslims commiting sins, they don't paray or pray but not in the right way, etc.

And I didn't say that only good muslims are muslims nor I said bad muslims are not muslims, all are muslims and it's only Allah who will judge all people according to their work in this life. :).