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Scottish1
29-03-04, 10:42 PM
On another thread:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20514&perpage=30&pagenumber=7

It was described in detail the justification of war. Under that criteria, I should also be at war. However, my religion doesn't work that way..

http://www.religioustolerance.org/druid.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05162a.htm

"Druidry is not a religion. It's a philosophy and you can worship a God or a Goddess, it's up to you. You can be a Christian or a Moslem or anything else and still be a Druid. "But while a Christian will say God made that tree, a Druid will say the energy of a creative force is in that tree." Kieron, a North-East UK Druid.


We accept all other religions as valid. It is about:

Moral code: Druids do NOT follow the Wiccan Rede which states (in modern English) "One is free to do anything, as long as it harms nobody."

The closest analogy are the Celtic Virtues of honor, loyalty, hospitality, honesty, justice and courage. Virtues as follows:

"Briefly stated the virtue of Honor requires one to adhere to their oaths and do the right thing, even if it will ultimately hurt others or oneself in the process. A Druid is obligated to remain true to friends, family and leaders thus exhibiting the virtue of Loyalty. Hospitality demands that a Druid be a good host when guests are under one's roof. Honesty insists that one tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to yourself, your gods and your people. Justice desires the Druid understands everyone has an inherent worth and that an assault to that worth demands recompense in one form or another. Courage for the Druid does not always wear a public face; it is standing-strong-in-the-face-of-adversity, alone or with companions. Sometimes Courage is getting up and going about a daily routine when pain has worn one down without complaint or demur." 7

Who druids are:

The Druids and Druidesses formed the professional class in Celtic society. They performed the functions of modern day priests, teachers, ambassadors, astronomers, genealogists, philosophers, musicians, theologians, scientists, poets and judges. They underwent lengthy training: some sources say 20 years. Druids led all public rituals, which were normally held within fenced groves of sacred trees. In their role as priests, "they acted not as mediators between God and man, but as directors of ritual, as shamans guiding and containing the rites." Most leaders mentioned in the surviving records were male. It is not known whether female Druids were considered equal to their male counterparts, or whether they were restricted to special responsibilities. References to women exercising religious power might have been deleted from the record by Christian monks during the Celtic Christian era.




Now, the question is.......am I really? Or am I checking to see where your moral and/or religious tolerance level are. On this board are both Christians and Muslims. So, where do you stand on this philosophy/religion? Do those who follow Druidism retain the same rights as some who wish to war over Islam or Christianity?

Wanderer
30-03-04, 01:01 AM
Interesting.

Would you consider Druidism as Celtic "Bushido" ?

Scottish1
30-03-04, 01:21 AM
Or Bushido as Japanese Druidism.....LOL.

amo_l_oman
30-03-04, 02:16 AM
Would have liked to see me like a druidess at that time.
http://www.crystalinks.com/druidess.gif
The moral values and code conduct described in druidism are common to all religions and the answer to your question is yes i'd have no tolerance problem till..................these magic, noble people become a poli-economic danger: the main problem in the relations between different groups of people comes when you enter my garden without invitation and with bad intentions, then the mess starts :wink:

Scottish1
30-03-04, 02:34 AM
LOL. That's the issue. Druidism doesn't expand. It remains. Others have the need to expand for some odd reason. The "live and let live" philosophy doesn't apply.

When was the last time you received a leaflet from the Druids? Or heard in the news of a new Druid group opening?

LOL.

amo_l_oman
30-03-04, 02:47 AM
I regret to have asked you to come back grrr :sweat:
I found on net a grand lodge, is anything similar to Free Masons?
Plus some new druids , any difference with the classic ones?

Scottish1
30-03-04, 02:55 AM
Anybody claiming to be a Druid, is not. There are no lodges, no buildings. Druids of today hold no political power. Again, there is no "organization" of Druids. It's a farce for any that claim that there is some sort of groups.

There are some that are trying to rebuild, but the fact is, they are fringe.

The old druids were far more educated then the commoner, and the difference between the druid and the common man was vast. The rule of 20 years of learning, think of primary, secondary and university.

The differences between the "learned" and "common" no longer exist. How can someone call themselves a druid, when in fact, they are no more educated then those others around them?

There is more emphasis on the arts then on the educational. A druid cannot replace a formal education. They can only supplement the things that are not taught in school

Local plants and ecology. Soil and water analysis. Knowing the surroundings of where you live and how to nurture it. To live within the environment that you live in, not to change it to suit your needs.

I would be suspicious of a bunch of blokes deciding to form some sort of Druidic society. Sounds way too new agey for my tastes. Send me the link, this I gotta see.

amo_l_oman
30-03-04, 03:26 AM
Na, ma bad, is just groups of students or people around the world forming circles called new or reformed druids, guess just a matter of names.
But actually is just a moderate way of living or still following magic rituals and stuff, cause at this point you cannot follow your religion whatever it is, and believing in tarots .

Scottish1
30-03-04, 03:43 AM
There are no magic rituals, the tarot, I don't believe in either.

That's all silly people with too much time and money on their hands. Tilling the soil, raising sheep, raising 5 kids, maintaining 2 jobs, helping family, there is no time for silly magic rituals. LOL

Those are the fringers I was telling you about.

"I read a book about it, and it says we have to........"

It's an intuitive philosophy, not a rote one. You don't train a 5' man to play basketball, and say, this is how you will live your life.

Nor do you train a 7'3" man to play miniature golf (LOL).

You live and grow within the boundaries of your own intelligence, natural abilities and adaptability.

MoonChild
30-03-04, 06:28 PM
That's why I don't "celebrate" Saint Patrick's Day, as I was rooting for the "snakes" ;)

Scottish1
30-03-04, 07:16 PM
LOL Moonchild. I was wondering whether or not to mention that. Glad that some know the real meaning of it. I should have guessed that you would have known.

In my younger days, my brothers and I would go there on St Patricks day, wear our kilts, get guttered and get in as many fistfights in the shortest period of time we could. We'd try and find the roughest, nastiest pubs and pick fights. I was sooooooo young.

We don't do that anymore. We do whistle Scot fight songs and see who notices.

MoonChild
30-03-04, 09:30 PM
Do you have any suggestions for meaningful alternative costume for the day? I mean, simply refusing to wear green ... people might think I just forgot ;)


Please don't say blue mud, I don't think we have that around here :p

Scottish1
30-03-04, 11:32 PM
Wear orange. That's what my brothers and I did. Kilt (ironically green) and a bright orange sweater.

MoonChild
30-03-04, 11:44 PM
Ugh... I hate orange!

Oh well, anything for the Cause :p

do ya have any old pictures in that get-up? This I gotta see ;)

Scottish1
31-03-04, 12:31 AM
LOL. We looked awful. The only photo is after we got into a couple of good fechts. Bruises and all. I'll call my brother and see if I can get it. Not sure I want you all to know how skinny I was back then. Tall, but skinny. I think I was 17.

Shakoosh Kabir
07-04-04, 10:20 AM
Do you not think your behaviour was as primitively tribal as that of certain other topical tribes?

Scottish
14-04-04, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by Shakoosh Kabir
Do you not think your behaviour was as primitively tribal as that of certain other topical tribes?

Such deep meaning. Not really, just bored looking for fights and we're related to everyone back home. We were more afraid of our parents then the police.

MoonChild
14-04-04, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Scottish1
LOL. We looked awful. The only photo is after we got into a couple of good fechts. Bruises and all. I'll call my brother and see if I can get it. Not sure I want you all to know how skinny I was back then. Tall, but skinny. I think I was 17.

Then you won't be submitting it to the Mr. Sabla contest? :gap:

Scottish
14-04-04, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by MoonChild
Then you won't be submitting it to the Mr. Sabla contest? :gap:

LOL. Noooooooo. I'll keep the one that I have there now. My wife has some wonderful blackmail photos as well. None of which will be submitted.