What is Satanism?
According to the common definition, it is the worship of the fallen angel Satan by performing acts of evil.

I am disgusted and shocked at what human beings have become.. worshiping satan?

We all know that satanism isnt a religion..it goes in the catagory of hindusim,budhusim etc.

Satanism is spread around more in youngsters through music,movies etc..it is a growing problem..i was really shocked when i heard that some ppl in the middle east are also into it..when Islam is they're real faith.

Other acts of satanism is dressing in black that is, black make up, black clothings and witchcraft..also the Ouiji board which asume all of u have heard of.?

Woman are more likely to fall into the trap and take on the so called religion.

any comments?

I've read that depending on your view of things Satanism referrs to different types of people:

Conservative christians believe that if a person does not worship their God they are automatically satanists.

Some think that anyone who isn't a christian is a satanist! Which would include Jews and Muslims!

And yet others think that people who dont follow one of the three holy religions (Non-Abramics ) are Satanists (anyone who isn't a christian, jew or muslim).

The funny thing is that Satanists don't even believe in Satan, they just feel that they should be free to act upon their urges and desires.

They've got a book 'The Satanic Bible' written by Anton LaVey (I'm assuming that's what they follow?)

Personally I think its a protest religion against Chrisitanity. :os

Originally posted by }My Immortal{

We all know that satanism isnt a religion..it goes in the catagory of hindusim,budhusim etc.


And Islam.

We all know that satanism isnt a religion..it goes in the catagory of hindusim,budhusim etc.

What the hell do you mean by that?

There are also 9 satanic sins:

Stupidity Pretentiousness Solipsism Self-deceit Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride Lack of Aesthetics

http://www.satanism101.com/

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
What the hell do you mean by that?


Surprised that is categorized as a religion within others

Originally posted by amo_l_oman
Surprised that is categorized as a religion within others

Not really surprised; just want to clarify myself on what the member actually meant!

Read the first post :rolleyes:
The member is clearly surprised that satanism having as subject of adoration Satan, a devil, can be listed within the main religions :bored:

goooooooo Metal ...
http://www.darkfuneral.de/pics/aufbau/dark10.jpg

What the hell do you mean by that?

I mean that We (as muslims) know that SAtanism is not a real religion. There is no prophet sent by Allah to spread satanism..Along with hindusm,budhism..
thats what i meant...

METAL PRIEST

interesting..:os

Originally posted by }My Immortal{
I mean that We (as muslims) know that SAtanism is not a real religion. There is no prophet sent by Allah to spread satanism..Along with hindusm,budhism..
thats what i meant...


And in this way an impartial observer can lump Islam with Satanism. All just a bunch of rituals with no significance.

Satanists do not worship Satan. They do not even believe that Satan exists. You are confusing them with devil worshippers. They are different.

Satanists believe in pride and thus they believe that they are in control of what they do and that they are the diety. They follow lust and pride, the things that Satan of the Christian Bible called for. But they do not believe that Satan actually exists and hence do not worship him.

Ah okay .. thanx for explaining, immortal.

You're probably talking about Gothic people here. People who wear black clothes and listen to heavy metal or Satanic tunes ...

The way I see it:-

~ We, as God's worshippers, are taught to revert to praying to God whenever we're in a dire situation. If ANYTHING bad happens to you, you pray to God and ask him for His blessings and wonder why it happened ... if things get worse, you just sit and worry!

~ They (Gothic people) live their life knowing that $hit can happen ANY time! They have a "don't care" attitude and portray that very well ... so, when $hit happens and when you see normal people grieving over it, you'll see a Gothic person living his life just like any other day.

Thanks to Slay (my college friend) who happens to be Gothic. :)

Yeah well ... its true that its pointless but its their personal lives after all ..
I kinda like the gothic look on a girl for some reason but the things behind satinism,I certainly dont agree with or support!!

Seems that Satanists, by definition, worship a diety named "Satan".

People who don't worship anything are best referred to as "realists".

Originally posted by Wanderer
Seems that Satanists, by definition, worship a diety named "Satan".


Wrong. Plz check the reliable sources.

On the theology of Satanism:

Almost all academics who study new religious movements realize that most Satanists are unconvinced whether one or more Supreme Beings exist. That is, they are Agnostics. When Satanists discuss Satan, they are not referring to the Christian devil -- a living entity with finite supernatural powers. They are referring to a pre-Christian concept representing pleasure, virility, strength, enthusiasm for life, etc.

A sampling of non-Satanic web sites which describe Satanism:

Satanism is a more specific definition, and is used to refer to the worship of Satan, who is alleged to be the supreme evil spirit." [Note: THIS IS INCORRECT. Religious Satanists do not recognize or worship Satan as a living being or spirit]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis9.htm


What is the difference between Satanism and devil worship?

Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity (in this case, a "devil"), much as it could be labeled inverse Christianity -- that is, confining yourself to the Christian religion and overall model, but merely choosing the "bad guy" in their Bible instead of the purportedly central character. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture. Some Satanists choose different aspects of this archetype, depending on geography or just plain aesthetics, but the same characteristics still hold true. It would make little sense for us to claim to embody the archetypal qualities of Satan (rebellion, rational self-interest, carnality, etc.) on one hand, and then attempt to worship an anthropomorphic Satan on the other. In laymen's terms, it's hardly rebellious to worship a figure that represents rebellion.

http://www.satanism101.com/

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Satanists do not worship Satan. They do not even believe that Satan exists. You are confusing them with devil worshippers. They are different.

Satanists believe in pride and thus they believe that they are in control of what they do and that they are the diety. They follow lust and pride, the things that Satan of the Christian Bible called for. But they do not believe that Satan actually exists and hence do not worship him.


first of all :
thanx for clearing that out sophi :app:

second: the world is turning crazy..!:tiered:

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Wrong. Plz check the reliable sources.


Plz check more than one.

II. Atheistic vs. Theistic Satanism


"Atheistic Satanism: Satanists in this tradition believe in, and worship, no deity at all. Instead they honor the spirit of Satan, or at least some equivalent of Satan (such as the ancient Egyptian god Set, who will be discussed later). Atheistic Satanists worship the ideals of Satan and present him as an idol whose traits are to be emulated. Satan is often also worshipped simply as a symbol of resistance to dominant Christian ethos. A good example of a group based on these principles is the Church of Satan.

Theistic Satanism: These are practices that involve the belief that Satan or some equivalent does exist, and this satanic deity is the main focus of worship. The Temple of Set, a splinter group from the aforementioned Church of Satan, is a church that leans more toward this philosophy. "

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/intro.html

In either case, there is no reason to adopt the name or categorization of Satanism unless one believes in "Satan" as an entitity of some sort.

heeeeeeeeey!! i wear black ..like all the time..!! most ofmy clothes r black..does that make me a satan worshiper:p

If you don't believe in an actual Satan, then why do you say 'Hail Satan' in texts and rituals?

1) "Hail Satan!" (the exclamation point is optional, though preferred) is often another way of saying "Hail Me!" Since we Satanists embody the qualities of the archetype of Satan, it stands to reason that the phrase is both apropos and analogous. You very well could say "Hail Me!" instead, but keep in mind this...

2) "Hail Satan!" is also a salute to our achievements (both collective and, more importantly, individual), ethics, and heritage. It is a statement of pride in defiance of a polyglot, egalitarian, and ignorant way of life represented by the nauseating Christ ethos and its followers.

http://www.satanism101.com/


Satanism is arguably the most misunderstood religion or philosophy. Some people see its followers as sociopaths who are only seeking attention; others see them as serious sources of evil in the world. Even among its own adherents, there can be a lot ofconfusion. There are several types of Satanists that exist, just as there are several types of Pagans and Christians. Satanists may argue over the existence of Satan as an entity. There is no right answer to this question in the First Church of Satan.



Do you worship the devil?

[B]Modern Satanists do not worship the devil; they do not even believe in this Christian-created being. However, some do. Theistic Satanists do believe in an entity known as Satan and Devil Worshippers also believe in Satan as a deity. Theistic Satanists see Satan as an actual dark pagan god.

The difference between Satanism and devil worship is simple;

Devil worshippers are nothing more than wannabe renegade Christians still drowning in the belief that to be a Satanist they must use dogma that is the reverse of Christian belief. Satanists are free thinkers, moving forward spiritually through self-exploration and spiritual stimulation. Strictly speaking, a devil worshipper is someone who worships evil as a moral absolute.Satanists, on the other hand, view Satanism as a religion and a philosophy.

http://www.churchofsatan.org/faq.html#devil

This is from the Church of Satan

Welcome to the official website of the Church of Satan. Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html


These people are just trying so hard to be rebels against all normality.

heeeeeeeeey!! i wear black ..like all the time..!! most ofmy clothes r black..does that make me a satan worshiper

lol no scarlet..

i know a girl who had her room painted black..black bed sheets..black curtains..her make up is always black...her clothes are all black...
all she listens to is metalica and marliyn manson...
She is a devil worshiper..and she's proud of it :yikes:
God help her

Do you worship the devil


Modern Satanists do not worship the devil; they do not even believe in this Christian-created being. However, some do. Theistic Satanists do believe in an entity known as Satan and Devil Worshippers also believe in Satan as a deity. Theistic Satanists see Satan as an actual dark pagan god.


This is also from the church of satan

http://www.churchofsatan.org/faq.html#devil

OK... bottom line there are different types of satanists... the traditional ones worship satan as a diety... the modern ones don't even recognise that he exists and hence do dont worship.

marliyn manson...


Marilyn Manson is a priest of the church of satan and is a Modern Satanist, therefore he does not worship the devil or recognizes him. He loves to wear gothic though.

This is from the Church of Satan

Welcome to the official website of the Church of Satan. Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos which is permeated and motivated by the Dark Force which we call Satan. Over the course of time, Man has called this Force by many names, and it has been reviled by those whose very nature causes them to be separate from this fountainhead of existence. They live in obsessive envy of we who exist by flowing naturally with the dread Prince of Darkness.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html


These people are just trying so hard to be rebels against all normality.

Wanderer my source was also from the church of satan so there is no point in arguing over satanic websites.

Basically there are different types of satanism. Have u spoken to a satanist? I have, the modern ones. Just go on any Satanic message board and youll see that a lot dont even recognise satan.

Wanderer viewing the webpage u forgot the rest:~

"We Satanists are our own Gods. and we are explorers of the left-hand path. We do not bow down before the myths and fiction of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right hand paths."

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
OK... bottom line there are different types of satanists... the traditional ones worship satan as a diety... the modern ones don't even recognise that he exists and hence do dont worship.

Though the common modern ones seem to be acknowledging a "dark force" they call Satan, and indicate that there is a "Prince of Darkness".

"Hail Satan!" is NOT the same as "Hail Me" if there is a "Prince of Darkness"

I understand the Buddha - Buddhism arguement, but don't think it's quite teh same. Worth exploring though.

If these common modern Satanists assign any consciousness to their "Dark Force" that they try to emulate and "flow with", then I suggest that despite their protests, they worship Satan - even if that is only by emulating what they see.


Satanism still a bunch of nonsense and anyone using that as self description is trying too hard to be provacative.

Originally posted by Wanderer

Satanism still a bunch of nonsense and anyone using that as self description is trying too hard to be provacative.


I agree.

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Wanderer viewing the webpage u forgot the rest:~

"We Satanists are our own Gods. and we are explorers of the left-hand path. We do not bow down before the myths and fiction of the desiccated spiritual followers of the Right hand paths."



I didn't forget anything.

If they personify a "dark force" and give it consciousness, this "Prince of Darkness", then they are trying to worship it through emulation.

And they are clearly not "gods" either, no matter what they claim, are they ?

And they are clearly not "gods" either, no matter what they claim, are they ?

They aren't Gods as in creating..but they view themselves as that, as in that they should be proud and not worship a diety, folllowing what Satan of the bible preachedl; to follow lust, having pride, not bowing, etc.


Satanism and devil worship are two distinctly different animals. Devil worship is what it is: the worship of an external deity (in this case, a "devil"), much as it could be labeled inverse Christianity -- that is, confining yourself to the Christian religion and overall model, but merely choosing the "bad guy" in their Bible instead of the purportedly central character. The Satan in Satanism is an archetype, one many know by name and is relative to the culture. Some Satanists choose different aspects of this archetype, depending on geography or just plain aesthetics, but the same characteristics still hold true. It would make little sense for us to claim to embody the archetypal qualities of Satan (rebellion, rational self-interest, carnality, etc.) on one hand, and then attempt to worship an anthropomorphic Satan on the other. In laymen's terms, it's hardly rebellious to worship a figure that represents rebellion.

http://www.satanism101.com/


This is Modern Satanism. Just have a quick look through their message boards and you'll understand.

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
I agree.

:)

I think that if one wants to follow "nature" and focus simply on what he or she wants, they should self describe as IDISTS or EGOISTS and drop any amusing and confusing connection to any rebelious ancient deities.

Why create a middleman to represent the forces of nature ? One creates a middleman to be either selective of what it represents or, perhaps in this case, to represent what it is against.

Originally posted by Wanderer
:)

I think that if one wants to follow "nature" and focus simply on what he or she wants, they should self describe as IDISTS or EGOISTS and drop any amusing and confusing connection to any rebelious ancient deities.

Why create a middleman to represent the forces of nature ? One creates a middleman to be either selective of what it represents or, perhaps in this case, to represent what it is against.

Yes, very true. :)

I myself do not understand these Satanists :( .

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
They aren't Gods as in creating..but they view themselves as that, as in that they should be proud and not worship a diety, folllowing what Satan of the bible preachedl; to follow lust, having pride, not bowing, etc.


How are those attributes - pride, not bowing or worshipping others, lust, attributes of a god ?

Where is the logic in that they claim to be gods not because they have any creative power more than anyone else, but that they promote:

Indulgance
Sexual gratification
Lack of respect for some regarded deity
asociality

In reality these are not attribuites derived from Gods - many gods recognize the power of greater gods, were lustfull, etc., in various mythologies. These are attributes which have been assigned to "Satan" figure by some old religions.

Why would a current group adopt the name of the strawman figure unless their gripe was with the old religion and that they acknowledged the mythology of that religion ?


You present a good argument though. I'll keep an open mind that these common modern, so called Satanists don't "worship" a Satan figure while I read up on them.

I already know their claims to be gods as false
I suspect their others claims may be ... largely semantic. In the same way I viewed a convicted murderer admit he did the killing but that he wasn't a killer. Hmmmm.

Originally posted by Wanderer
How are those attributes - pride, not bowing or worshipping others, lust, attributes of a god ?.... already know their claims to be gods as false


Wanderer, don't forgot that I am not a Satanist. Nor do I agree with any of their beliefs. I was just presenting their view of the case. Not my personal view. Therefore I definitely agree with you that their claims to being Gods or having features of a God do not sound logical.

Originally posted by }My Immortal{
lol no scarlet..

i know a girl who had her room painted black..black bed sheets..black curtains..her make up is always black...her clothes are all black...
all she listens to is metalica and marliyn manson...
She is a devil worshiper..and she's proud of it :yikes:
God help her

coooooooooool!!! except for the proud of being a devil worshiper thing..!!! allah yihdiha!

OK, so sophis^catrina is beating up on me a bit here. Time to explore. Thought I'd post a bit of the history of modern Satanism.

From: http://www.the600club.com/satanism/

"Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the “Church of Satan.” The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires."

In 1969 LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible which would prove to be the bedrock for modern Satanism.

In 1975 many changes occurred ...

It was at this time that Michael Aquino, member of the Church of Satan, broke away from the Church and formed his “Temple of Set.” Aquino maintained that LaVey had changed his stance from believing in an actual Satan to referring to it as more of a relative term. LaVey claimed that he had always referred to Satan as a “Dark force of Nature” rather than an actual deity."


So we probably should call this neo-Satanism as this cult (or revival) was founded less than 40 years ago !

I wonder what position a Satan deity has in LaVey's Satanic Bible. Maybe IceTea could check that out ;)

But what is a "Dark force of Nature" ? Nature IS. We assign "good" or "bad", "light" or "dark". Why assign a duality to nature ?


"A large number of new Satanic Churches have popped up since the death of LaVey in 1997. Most of them internet based and lacking any real substance. That just seems to be par for the course these days. "

This seems to be about right. A bunch of rebellious teenagers (redundant?) and a smattering of powerless and frustrated 20 -something folks.

Originally posted by Wanderer

"Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the “Church of Satan.” The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires."

In 1969 LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible which would prove to be the bedrock for modern Satanism.

In 1975 many changes occurred ...

It was at this time that Michael Aquino, member of the Church of Satan, broke away from the Church and formed his “Temple of Set.” Aquino maintained that LaVey had changed his stance from believing in an actual Satan to referring to it as more of a relative term. LaVey claimed that he had always referred to Satan as a “Dark force of Nature” rather than an actual deity."

So we probably should call this neo-Satanism as this cult (or revival) was founded less than 40 years ago !


This seems to be about right. A bunch of rebellious teenagers.


Yup. :wave: .

A large number of new Satanic Churches have popped up since the death of LaVey in 1997. Most of them internet based and lacking any real substance. That just seems to be par for the course these days

Think so. That's how I came to read abt Satanism, around three years ago. It was the rage that time, with many websites popping up abt it.

Originally posted by Wanderer
OK, so sophis^catrina is beating up on me a bit here. Time to explore. Thought I'd post a bit of the history of modern Satanism.

From: http://www.the600club.com/satanism/

"Modern Satanism can only be traced back to 1966 when Anton LaVey shaved his head, performed a ritual and declared the formation of the “Church of Satan.” The religion (or anti-religion if you will) was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires."

In 1969 LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible which would prove to be the bedrock for modern Satanism.

In 1975 many changes occurred ...

It was at this time that Michael Aquino, member of the Church of Satan, broke away from the Church and formed his “Temple of Set.” Aquino maintained that LaVey had changed his stance from believing in an actual Satan to referring to it as more of a relative term. LaVey claimed that he had always referred to Satan as a “Dark force of Nature” rather than an actual deity."


So we probably should call this neo-Satanism as this cult (or revival) was founded less than 40 years ago !

I wonder what position a Satan deity has in LaVey's Satanic Bible. Maybe IceTea could check that out ;)

But what is a "Dark force of Nature" ? Nature IS. We assign "good" or "bad", "light" or "dark". Why assign a duality to nature ?


"A large number of new Satanic Churches have popped up since the death of LaVey in 1997. Most of them internet based and lacking any real substance. That just seems to be par for the course these days. "

This seems to be about right. A bunch of rebellious teenagers (redundant?) and a smattering of powerless and frustrated 20 -something folks. What a familiar pattern ... give it a few hundred years ... a mass following and BOOM ... you have a religion ;)

^^^ mmm Jack if u look up a lot of religious websites, Satanism is listed under Religion, as it is a religion and philosophy to some. It's already being recognised.

Your right ... let me rephrase

... give it a few hundred years ... a continued mass following and BOOM ... you have a "legitimate" religion.

But why they are against Christianity ?

:wave:

Metal Priest:~ They are against organized religion , which means Islam included.

The religion was composed as an answer to organized western religion and culture’s repression of natural instincts and desires."

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Metal Priest:~ They are against organized religion , which means Islam included.

okay Showbiz Ka6reena i'll prove that they are against christianity more than any religion ...

1st Check this thread... here (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=20208)
2nd i'll provide you with some lyrics ..

6. Tormentor Of Christian Souls

I could drag you to my chambers
and strip you naked in darkness
I could pull your fingernails out one by one
and rape you till you find no hope

I could rip your guts out
and let you watch me
sacrifice your unborn child
I could leave you to starve
and even bring you to total silence
...for once

For I find no pleasure in your physical pain
I want your christian soul to crumble

Your ****ing soul

When I have seen your church go up in flames
and you are weeping I will laugh
When I have seen you mourn over loved ones
I will feel bliss when your mortal soul is in ruins
I will grin in the shadows
for that gives me pleasure

Tormenting a christian soul

:app: :app: :) ohh Dimmu Borgir ... Metallica and marylen manson are nothing but a bug infront of you ....

MP u see them bashing Christianity more than others because they are surrounded by christians more than any other faith!!! If Satanists lived in the Arab world they would be bashing Islam! ok.. they are against organised religion, that's how they think. I don't see how u could be happy that they are against Christianity, u shouldn't be supporting these satanists, when they are insulting ahl al-kitab.

5. Rotting With Your Christ

[Lyrics by: John McEntee Music by: John McEntee & Kyle Severn]

Rotting with your christ
I can see
The impending suffering
Your words vanishing
Christ for the weak

False
Messiah
of
Mortality

Lord of lies
Rotting their minds
******* childs
We deny
Despise
His heavenly lies

I have freed
My mind of god
Condemn
Your kingdom come

Your
Mindless
Followers
We despise

Prophets for the weak
Your followers blinded
Dreams, Eternal paradise
Rotting with your Christ

I see blood
And obliteration
Humanity's sake
This JESUS must DIE
ROTTING WITH YOUR CHRIST

:bored:

from a reviewof The Satanic Bible at: http://www.punker****.com/critiques/lavey/critique.html

"Therefore, never attempt to convince the skeptic upon whom you wish to place a curse [through Satanically magical means]. Allow him to scoff. To enlighten him would lessen your chance of success. Listen with benign assurance as he laughs at your magic, knowing his days are filled with turmoil all the while. If he is despicable enough, by Satan's grace, he might even die--laughing! [The Satanic Bible, written by Anton Szander LaVey, published by Yankee Rose, Page 117.]"


I would be inclined to interpret this "by Satan's grace" as LaVey believing that there is a conscious Satan with power.

Another clue into how Satan is regarded by LeVay - the title of one of 2 "authorized" biographies.

"LaVey effectively promoted his carefully crafted pseudo-biography through conversations with his disciples, media interviews, and two biographies by associates that he appears to have dictated-The Devil's Avenger (1974) by Burton Wolfe and Secret Life of a Satanist (1990) by Blanche Barton. LaVey's fictional biography was clearly meant to legitimate his self-appointed role as the "Black Pope" by portraying him as an extraordinary individual."

http://www.uni-marburg.de/religionswissenschaft/journal/mjr/lewis3.html


"The DEVIL'S Avenger" is an unusual title for a Satanist to use if he doesn't think of Satan as a diety or Satanism as worshipping Satan. Clearly here LaVey my well have once considered Satan as "the Devil" and not just a humanistic philosophy.

Continuing from same source:

"Almost all Satanists would deny that The Satanic Bible is an "inspired" document in anything like the sense in which the Christian Bible is regarded as an inspired book. Interestingly, however, there are a few individuals-most notably Michael Aquino, a former CoS leader and founder of the Temple of Set-who would regard this book as inspired. For example, in the relevant chapter in his history of the Church of Satan, Aquino asserts that:

The Satanic Bible [clothes] itself in the supernatural authority of the Prince of Darkness and his demons. Less this element, the Satanic Bible would be merely a social tract by Anton LaVey-not High Priest of Satan, but just one more 1960s'-counterculture-cynic atop a soap-box.
The substance of the Satanic Bible therefore turns upon Anton LaVey's sincerity in believing himself to be the vehicle through which the entity known as Satan explains the mysteries of mankind's existential predicament."

Hmmm. I'm thinking that LeVay modified his stance to make Satanism more appealing to the public. De-deify Satan (if you will) and make it just representative of natural instincts, etc. and you draw a larger audience. Sort of abrogating earlier verses. ;)

But then the author's research seems to find that most "Satanists" do not consider Satan as a deity [your position] -
" had received the impression from perusing the internet that contemporary Satanism had developed in different directions from the specific formulation developed by Anton LaVey in the 1960's. In particular, at the time it appeared to me that many contemporary Satanists had moved to a position of regarding Satan as a conscious being. I was thus surprised to discover that LaVey's humanistic approach-which rejects the real existence of personal spiritual beings, diabolical or otherwise-was the dominant form of Satanism professed by respondents.

!!!!!! Hmmm. :irk:

It appears the Satanists I grew up with (figuratively, of course) had a different philosophy regarding a deity than the modern day "neo-Satanists". :duh:

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
MP u see them bashing Christianity more than others because they are surrounded by christians more than any other faith!!! If Satanists lived in the Arab world they would be bashing Islam! ok.. they are against organised religion, that's how they think. I don't see how u could be happy that they are against Christianity, u shouldn't be supporting these satanists, when they are insulting ahl al-kitab.

ahal al-kitab are gone ... Bible is corrupted so people became confused that is why they become Satan’s Slaves or non-believer ..

But who is responsible for that ?
why no one can't stop them ?
why do people listen to this types of songs ?

Originally posted by METAL PRIEST
ahal al-kitab are gone ... Bible is corrupted so people became confused that is why they become Satan’s Slaves or non-believer ..


Forgetting the fact that most non-believers were/are not raised as Christians.

It appears the Satanists I grew up with (figuratively, of course) had a different philosophy regarding a deity than the modern day "neo-Satanists

Yup Wanderer, good research going on :) .


Metal priest~ So u would rather support the Satanists than the Christians? How can u listen to music which bashes Jesus (SA), a prophet of Islam?

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Yup Wanderer, good research going on :) .


Metal priest~ So u would rather support the Satanists than the Christians? How can u listen to music which bashes Jesus (SA), a prophet of Islam?

i dont believe in Jesus .. i believe in Issa Peace Upon him...

jesus will not come back to Earth ... But Issa Peace upon him will come back ....

Jesus was killed like they say .. also they say that jesus is god .. also they say that jesus is the son of god .. so even if i was christian i was going to be a non-believer just like Wanderer ...


Peace ...

:wave:

Allah yester :irk: anyway do what u want.. I don't understand why on earth did u ask engima to lock your other thread when u were going to bring your arguments here too :irk: .

Anyway I am much more interested in this satanic research that weve been talking abt, not abt Christianity bashing :irk: .

SATANISM

Often confused with Neo-Paganism and Wicca, Satanism is the worship of Satan (also
known as Baphomet or Lucifer). Classical Satanism, often involving “black masses”, human
sacrifice, and other sacrilegious or illegal acts, is now rare. Modern Satanism is based on both
the knowledge of ritual magick and the “anti-establishment” mood of the 1960s. It is related to
classical Satanism more in image than substance, and generally focuses on “rational selfinterest
with ritualistic trappings”. Modern Satanism began with the Church of Satan, founded
by Anton LaVey in 1966. From it, in the 1970s, several groups emerged and quickly
disappeared. The Temple of Set is the only substantive offshoot to survive into the 1980s.
Modern Satanists have found it relevant to distinguish themselves from what is termed
contemporary devil-worship. By Devil-worship is meant the various informal activities which
have appeared in the 1980s around teenage use of Satanic symbols, killings of serial killers
professing to have been worshipping the Devil, and various reports of “Satanic” crime. Modern
Satanists (i.e. the Church of Satan and Temple of Set) profess a pro-life philosophy and do not
condone illegal action by people affiliated with those organizations.

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/ArmyRelig/ArmyChap-TempleSet.pdf

I will look for an independant publishing of this document as this is coming from the Temple of Set site and may have been "edited".

The Church of Satan - founded and led by LaVey (author of the Satanic Bible) - pretty much dissolves in 1975.

LaVey continues to maintain a business front as the Church of Satan, but it is no longer a meeting ground or church.

This is the point where Satan as a worshipped being/entity dissappears from the The Church of Satan and from LaVey's doctrine.

Michael A. Aquino leaves and founds the Temple of Set.

http://www.xeper.org/pub/xp_main.htm

"LaVey’s 1975 corruption of the Church of Satan was emphatically rejected by the majority of the Priesthood, who immediately resigned from the Church in protest and denied its legitimacy as an authentic Satanic religion henceforth. The senior Initiate invoked the Prince of Darkness in quest of a new Mandate to preserve and enhance the more noble concepts which the Church had conceived and outlined. That Mandate was given in the form of The Book of Coming Forth by Night - a statement by that entity, in his most ancient semblance as Set, ordaining creation of the Temple of Set to succeed the Church. The Temple was incorporated in California as a nonprofit church in 1975, receiving both state and federal recognition and tax-exemption later that same year. It has since remained the sole “Satanic” religious institution possessing these legal credentials.


The Temple of Set and Satanism

Q1: What is “Satanism”?

A1: Satanism is the belief in the existence of Satan as a sentient being or spirit in the universe, and the worship of Satan and obedience to his perceived principles, standards, and goals. As Satan is defined as a metaphysical being - Devil or Archangel, such belief in him constitutes a religion rather than a rational philosophy or ideology.

Q2: Can one be a Satanist without believing in the existence of Satan?

A2: Not if words are to have their generally-accepted meanings. A Satanist is one who believes in the existence Satan, just as a Christian is one who believes in the existence of Jesus Christ, a Buddhist in the existence of Buddha, and a Muslim in the existence of Mohammed. A person who claims to be a “Satanist” but who denies Satan is simply using the title for ulterior motives such as personal glamorization or commercial exploitation. If that person denies the existence of all metaphysical beings, he is by definition an atheist, not a Satanist. If he professes to believe sometimes and not others, when it may suit his convenience, he is a hypocrite.

http://www.xeper.org/pub/gil/xp_FS_gil.htm


Long but interesting read from the Temple of Set -

http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf


About the "wanna be's" this:

"Complicating the situation [of the 80's surge in Christian evangelism] was the perennial impulse among alienated youth and antisocial elements to deliberately shock society by flaunting its bogymen. If prudish elements of the community were going to terrify themselves with “scarecrow Satanism”, then Heavy Metal rock music would affect this same image, as would the occasional psychotic criminal and teenage gang."


Those "Satanists" who reject the notion of a metaphysical being are just playing "Satanists" - they've merely adopted the name for their philosophies of self-aggrandizement.

Also readily confused with Thelemic Philosophy...could be where the overlap of Satanism/Hedonism was perceived (wrongly in my view).

Only Judeo-Christian-Islam, believe in Satan, or the concept of Satan. By recognizing Satan, they recognize God.

Other religions don't believe in the concept of a Single Satan anymore then a single God.

Then there is the concept of the trinity.

Why would God, create a being, that would challenge his authority?

If Satan is bad, he is bad by Gods will. He isn't working against God, he is working FOR God.

Originally posted by Scottish1

If Satan is bad, he is bad by Gods will. He isn't working against God, he is working FOR God.

God does not WILL us or anyone to be bad!

Our (and other creations) will is in our own hands....

As a muslim I believe that God knows WHAT I will do but that does not affect what I do.

Originally posted by Wanderer
Seems that Satanists, by definition, worship a diety named "Satan".

People who don't worship anything are best referred to as "realists".

Shouldn't people who don't worship anything be basically called atheists?

As far as my very limited readings about Satanism and LeVay's book, it seems that LeVay initially wrote the book as personal statements of freedom against the restrictions of Christianity. But he later on gave it a religious spin by making the satanic references in this books to REALLY mean Satan himself. IMO the whole satanism thing was not based upon clear cut rules which itself made people draw on their own beliefs along with the so-called religion LeVay created, that is why there are so many beliefs about Satanism.

But that's just my opinion that I have created through my limited readings.