Slavery in christianity & judaism & hinduism & atheism

[Bucks Fizz]

Is slavery kosha in these religions?

[Shinoda LP]

What does kosha mean?

And, slavery doesn't exist in Hinduism ... seperation of sects and classes made one sect of people work under another sect of people, but I doubt if it was ever called slavery!

[MoonChild]

The Old Testament, like the Quran, outlines proper behavior towards ones slaves.

The New Testament also admonishes you to treat your slaves well.

Nowhere is slavery condemned.

Atheism isn't a religion, it just means you don't believe in god :rolleyes:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
Is slavery kosha in these religions?

Slavery is not acceptable in my atheism, but there are other sects.

:gap:

[Bucks Fizz]

ur gonna burn in hell for eternity

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
ur gonna burn in hell for eternity

LOL

What a superstitious fear-mongering dolt you turned out to be.

Maybe I will be stuck in Hell for eternity. No doubt you'll be in one of my work crews.

[Bucks Fizz]

yes becuase anyone who believes atheists are going to hell must be "superstitious fear-mongering dolts ". Who's the narrow minded twit now?

[Wanderer]

The Mormon sect of Christianity did not allow nor approve of slavery.

"They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated Negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine off many of those they brush and wait on." (History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 217)

- the Prophet Joseph Smith

http://messenger.mormonfundamentalism.org/mormon_negro.htm

This was very modern thinking back then - 1830's. It also got them in lots of trouble.

Unfortunately, they still viewed non-white "races" as being underdogs and "Negroes" couldn't attain high office in the church.

[amo_l_oman]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
anyone who believes atheists

hmmm something wrong here...

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
yes becuase anyone who believes atheists are going to hell must be "superstitious fear-mongering dolts ". Who's the narrow minded twit now?

It's still you - until compelling evidence of Hell is presented.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by amo_l_oman
hmmm something wrong here...

It's Bucks - his dosage is too high or too low.

[Bucks Fizz]

Dude chimpanzees can outshine most people, the verse still doesnt say taht slavery is unlawful. Most smart beings are slaves to some master or other, whether mental or physical. I just spent the last few expensive minutes looking up slavery and chrisitianity and i must say, chritians do have a way with words. "BUT THE PRIMITVE CHRISTIANS HATH NO BELIEF IN THE EXISTENCE OF SLAVERY AND HENCE SLAVERY WAS PRACTICE THAT OCCURED but but it doesnt exist officially um um yea" and as for THE MODERN CHRISTIAN TREAT YOUR SLAVE WELL BUT ONCE AGAIN SLAVERY DOES NOT EXIST TO US but but treat your slave well yea?" This is basically what i got. Nice. Very clear and concise.

Oh and where is the compelling evidence that hell does not exist?

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
Dude chimpanzees can outshine most people,

Are you offering youself as an example ?

Which are you representing ?



Originally posted by Bucks Fizz

Most smart beings are slaves to some master or other, whether mental or physical.

Name some. What's smart about being a slave ?




Originally posted by Bucks Fizz

Oh and where is the compelling evidence that hell does not exist?

:) You are not big on critical thinking I see.

"Critical thought means not believing an assertion unless there is evidence to support it"


Because the assertion that Hell exists cannot be supported with evidence, its existance is, ironically, only a matter of Faith - the one thing that should keep you from going there !


:wave:

[Bucks Fizz]

Your assertionis that hell does not exist, and you base that because you have lack of faith and you think that it doesnt exist based on no evidence. So it is you sir who is not big on critical thinking. I love it how Atheists don't think the rules apply to themselves. Poor poor lost sould.

Whats good about being a slave?
Free food, accomadation, social life, self-esteem and when they buy their freeedom self actualisation.

Free people pay for all of the above. Secondly, slavery in Islam is different to what western slavery is in your feeble mind

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
Your assertionis that hell does not exist, and you base that because you have lack of faith ...

There you go proving my point.

You require faith to support the existance of hell. I require evidence. You cannot provide evidence because your notion of hell is founded only on faith - hope and belief without tangible evidence.

I'm open to evidence that Hell exists, but for you to be open to hell not existing you would have to lose your faith.

There's no special exemption of any rules of critical though for me - you just don't seem to understand them.


BTW - what's this Hell of yours like and where is it ?

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
Whats good about being a slave?

Free food, accomadation, social life, self-esteem and when they buy their freeedom self actualisation.


:haha:

You will make an excellent slave to someone who doesn't expect much.

[Bucks Fizz]

well as i said before there is plenty of evidence but if you don't believe it thats your problem, noone elses.

[sanwin25]

Whats good about being a slave?
Free food, accomadation, social life, self-esteem and when they buy their freeedom self actualisation.


And getting banged by the boss man whether you like it or not.

:gap:

[Bucks Fizz]

just like americans get shafted by their electoral college? So basically you have nothing to say on your religion, just like the ape who doesnt believe in anything, you don't know anything ! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny. I luv showing up low class people. You probably cut n paste all your posts from other forums.

[sanwin25]

From slavery to the American electoral system.

Did you bychance study at the Shamsery Institute of Diversionary Tactics ?

[Bucks Fizz]

Do you or do you have anything to tell us on christianity about slavery? Why Jesus is the son of god and god and god who died on the cross to forgive you for your sins so you can sin all over again. Why do you beleive that wine is blood and bread is body? Come on then, it seems the "craziness" in this world is because your people don't know anything about their own belief system. Or probably figured out that worshipping by proxy is the most ridiculous and obvious form of control and slavery in your society. Hence, i must conclude that you are tempted by Islam and are too afraid to the big step. Look, your wish ot convert to Islam is very clear, don't be afraid you can make the final step. God loves you, its ok you can break free of the fog of christ worshipping.

[MoonChild]

LOL Bucko you are fun to read, it's like a window into an asylum :gap: :sweat:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
well as i said before there is plenty of evidence but if you don't believe it thats your problem, noone elses.

Which makes it all the more surprising that you cannot or will not produce any.

Is your Hell that same as the Jewish Hell and/or the Christian Hell and/or the ancient Greek Hell ?


So many Hells people have thought up.

You think that there'd be no lack of evidence.

Yet you fail.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
I luv showing up low class people.


Will you show us some time ?

[SadLad]

So, what has San-never-wins(sanwin25) to say about Slavery in christianity.

[sanwin25]

We do not have slavery in Christianity.

On the other hand...

Mass rape campaign reported in Sudan

DARFUR, Sudan, March 19 (UPI) -- Reports emerged from western Sudan Friday saying Arab militias had committed a mass rape of more than 100 women in a small village.

U.N. coordinator for Sudan Mukesh Kapila said 75 people were killed in the attack on the village of Tawila by Arab militiamen two weeks ago.

"Over 100 women were raped, six in front of their fathers who were later killed," he said, adding a further 150 women and 200 children were abducted.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups who accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of the western Darfur region, the BBC said.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organized attempt to do away with a group of people," Kapila said.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040319-104823-5179r.htm

[SadLad]

Originally posted by sanwin25
We do not have slavery in Christianity.
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It is not that Christianity forbids slavery, but it is you people don't believe in what your religion tells you.

21st century quotation:
"...the campaign to end slavery in the United States was for many years largely the work of a small number of Christians who opposed slavery on explicitly religious grounds and who at the time were regularly condemned as fanatical zealots, bent (as indeed they were) on imposing their religiously based views regarding this particular issue on all those who disagreed." Paul Campos 5

Slavery is still advocated in North America by some Reconstructionist Christians and a few racist fringe groups within the Christian Identity movement.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm

[jack]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
well as i said before there is plenty of evidence but if you don't believe it thats your problem, noone elses.
The answer to your crap ...

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This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first: John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."
Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's *** with us."
Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ***?"
John: "If you kiss Hank's ***, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the shit out of you."
Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"
John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ***."
Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."
Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ***?"
Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."
John: "Then come kiss Hank's *** with us."
Me: "Do you kiss Hank's *** often?"
Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."
Me: "And has He given you a million dollars?"
John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."
Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"
Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the shit out of you."
Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ***, left town, and got the million dollars?"
John: "My mother kissed Hank's *** for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."
Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"
John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."
Me: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"
Mary: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."
Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?"
John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"
Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."
John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's *** He'll kick the shit out of you."
Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."
Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."
Me: "Then how do you kiss His ***?"
John: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His ***. Other times we kiss Karl's ***, and he passes it on."
Me: "Who's Karl?"
Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ***. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."
Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His ***, and that Hank would reward you?"
John: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

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From the desk of Karl
Kiss Hank's *** and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
Use alcohol in moderation.
Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.
Eat right.
Hank dictated this list Himself.
The moon is made of green cheese.
Everything Hank says is right.
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
Don't use alcohol.
Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
Kiss Hank's *** or He'll kick the shit out of you.
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Me: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."
Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."
Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."
John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."
Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"
Mary: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."
Me: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"
Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."
Me: "How do you figure that?"
Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"
Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."
John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."
Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."
John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."
Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."
Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."
Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."
John: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"
Me: "We do?"
Mary: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."
Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"
John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."
Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"
Mary: She blushes.
John: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."
Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"
John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."
Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"
Mary: She looks positively stricken.
John: He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"
Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"
Mary: Sticks her fingers in her ears."I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."
John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."
Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."
Mary: She faints.
John: He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's *** for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."
With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by Wanderer
until compelling evidence of Hell is presented.

oh cummon wanderer.. just cause u dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. ;)

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and ya'll.. i think there are better words than crap , twit and all that that can be used here ( good words of course.. not bad one!!) :rolleyes:

[shamsery]

Originally posted by sanwin25


Did you bychance study at the Shamsery Institute of Diversionary Tactics ?

Diversionary: did you mean diversion?

Oh good, at least you are convinced that some people belongs to my school of thought.

Note: Just let me know when you comment something about me in a thread where I am not participating.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by NaBHaN
oh cummon wanderer.. just cause u dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. ;)


That's true. However,

Do you know anyone who has seen the Hell of which you speak ?

Do you know of any test we can perform to indicate that Hell exists ?

Would the existance of any other Hell prevent your Hell from existing ?


On what basis did you first believe that there is a Hell ?