The father the son and the holy ghost? Please explain how this is monotheistic?
I assume the father = God
The son = Jesus
The holy ghost = ??? not sure

So if god is the father and jesus is the son, how can jesus be sonf of god and god at the same time, and be killed and resurrected. How can the almighty be killed? I thought god was omnipotent

Do a search, it's been extensively discussed many times.

Isn't the holy ghost Gabriel?

So if god is the father and jesus is the son, how can jesus be sonf of god and god at the same time, and be killed and resurrected. How can the almighty be killed? I thought god was omnipotent

Beats me.

I'm sure the Christians on board would love to explain though. :)

Theres isnt any clear explanation, it seems to me that the holy trinity is a whole boatload of desensitized BS? Can't you explain it to me, you seem to know so much about Islam, surely you can spend some time explaing your own religions

Any Christians in the house? Perhaps not.

OK, I'll have a go from my simplistic perspective:

1 God (Allah, you know the guy, right?)

3 manifestations in Christianity:

a) "The Father" (the mental image you pray to, the geezer in heaven)

b) "The Son" (a temporary physical manifestation which Christians believe God took on Earth for a while)

c) "The Holy Spirit" (the omnipresent God-ness all over the palce that allows Him to be all of the above at once)

So....one God, three ways of looking at Him. OK?

That's why Christians are considered monotheists (mu'mineen) in Islam.

Originally posted by mimosa


So....one God, three ways of looking at Him. OK?


And one of them is dead ?
2 ways r lift
right ?!! :rolleyes:

Er...actually ascended to Heaven I think, but not on a horse like Mohammed. I don't know if Christians believe horses are allowed in Heaven. Maybe.

Originally posted by mimosa


1 God (Allah, you know the guy, right?)


Don't call Allah almighty "the guy", have some respect.




So....one God, three ways of looking at Him. OK?

That's why Christians are considered monotheists (mu'mineen) in Islam.

If the concept of Trinity means one God then Allah won't reject it in the Quran. It's not acceptable to assosiate anyone with Allah.

Allah is a close personal friend of all who believe in Him. I'll call him whatever I'm comfortable with, I'm sure He doesn't mind.

Allah does not "reject the concept" in the Qur'An. He says you can't add other gods. It's only people who don't understand the concept above who think that Christians have more than one god (like ignorant Christians who say Muslims worship Muhammad). But of course Allah in his wisdom does understand. Maybe that's why elsewhere in the Qur'An he still refers to Christians as Mu'mineen.

Originally posted by mimosa


Allah does not "reject the concept" in the Qur'An. He says you can't add other gods. It's only people who don't understand the concept above who think that Christians have more than one god (like ignorant Christians who say Muslims worship Muhammad). But of course Allah in his wisdom does understand. Maybe that's why elsewhere in the Qur'An he still refers to Christians as Mu'mineen.

You are wrong, Allah did reject the Trinity and you can read this verse:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

And about refering to them as Mu'mineen, from above verse Allah told them to believe in Allah and his messengers, now do they believe in that?

Teabag, it doesn't bother me if you can't understand it.

mimona, I understand it but it seems you who doesn't understand the Quran.

Originally posted by mimosa
Er...actually ascended to Heaven I think, but not on a horse like Mohammed.


Dare I ask ?

:6:

Oh Tea...why not post that Sura in its original Arabic and then maybe we can translate it properly?

It says "do not say three (when Allah is one)". There is a big difference between the concept of the Trinity and the number three.

Secondly, why did you add "no more than" in the second line? It's not there in Arabic, so why are you messing with your Holy Book to try to insult others? It simply says Sayyidna 'Isa was a Messenger of Allah. It also refers to the concepts of the Spirit and the Word. Sounds pretty close to the "Trinity" actually...but it's OK, I'm sure that can't be what it means!

Thirdly, if Jesus according to the Qur'An was "no more than" "a" messenger, then why is he referred to as the son of Mary? Without an immaculate conception, he would be known in Arabic of course as the son of Joseph. Only a boy without a father is known as the son of his mother...and you're not suggesting Sayyidna 'Isa was just illegitimate are you?! There must be some other explanation, and the only one that seems to fit both the text of the Qur'An and the New Testament, is that Allah somehow implanted Jesus in the womb of Mary without the involvement of a human father.


To be honest, dear Tea, I don't really give a toss as I don't follow either of those religions (although the teachings of both Jesus and Mohammed [saws] interest me greatly). But if you read your book without putting salt and pepper on it, you might find it's more interesting, and less prescriptive than you seem to assume.

Ya know, that sort of thing bugs me.

If we discover that some members are lying to us in their translations, when they think they can get away with it, then we can't trust anything they say :fire:

I suspect TeaTowel´s "holy" book may be corrupted. Christians and Jews categorically dismiss anything Islam has to say about their religions and wholly reject any link between Islam and Christianity or Judaism, other than the fact that the Qur'an appears to have been 85% based on apocryphal and heretical interpretations of Christianity and Judaism as partially gleaned by Mohammed during his travels in the 7th Century.