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Desert_Sloath
10-02-04, 07:10 PM
Church rethinks three wise 'men'


LONDON, England (Reuters) --The Three Wise Men who followed the star to Bethlehem bearing gifts for the baby Jesus may not have been all that wise -- or even men.

The traditional infant nativity play scene could be in for a drastic rewrite after the Church of England indulged in some academic gender-swapping over the three Magi at its General Synod in London this week.

A committee revising the latest prayer book said the term "Magi" was a transliteration of the name used by officials at the Persian court, and that they could well have been women.

"Magi is a word which discloses nothing about numbers, wisdom or gender embodied in the term," a Synod spokesman said on Tuesday after the revision was agreed by the Church of England's parliament which meets twice a year.

In the authorized 17th century King James bible used by up to 70 million worshippers in Anglican churches around the world, the gift-bearing visitors are referred to as "The Three Wise Men."

Now they are to be called just "Magi" and no longer gender-specific in the Anglican prayer book.

"Changing 'Wise Men' to 'Magi' seems to be an entirely sensible move," the Synod spokesman said.

The revision committee said: "While it seems very unlikely that these Persian court officials were female, the possibility that one or more of the Magi were female cannot be excluded completely."

There is no theological dispute about the gifts they brought -- gold, frankincense and myrrh -- but the prayer has been changed to use the word Magi on the grounds that "the visitors were not necessarily wise and not necessarily men."

Synod officials denied that the Church of England, a pillar of the Establishment in Britain, was being seized by an attack of political correctness and pandering to feminists.

The decision was greeted by mocking newspaper headlines like "The Three Fairly Sagacious Persons" and "Is it unwise to call the Magi men?"

On Tuesday, the Synod will be turning its attention to "Gender Neutral Titles."

Anglicans are debating whether words like "Chairman" can be replaced at committee meetings by more neutral words like "Chair."


So the name Magi referring to the so called Iron-Lady Magi was not randomly used but it was ment to stay and stay for good since it is now intended to accompany the history of Jesus :eyes:

Innovetion and diffusion so ? 2speak !!

Milliardo Peacecraft
10-02-04, 11:50 PM
I think this goes to the Religion forum, DS. Anyway, the term Magi has been used for a long time now, though I am not sure why the Anglican church would try even to drop the Wise Men title. The explanation by the Anglican church does raise eyebrows even among other Christian communities.

Shinoda LP
10-02-04, 11:55 PM
Thread moved to Religion Sabla

-- DS, do let me know if this thread has some Political significance ... I shall re-think my move then! :)

Desert_Sloath
11-02-04, 04:24 PM
Shinoda LP are you a soldier by proffesion ? Shoot first and answer later ! ei ?

Well the political implication of the thread to be posted in political forum is the use of the word 'Parliament' of the Anglican Church. What has "Parliament" got to do with the Church of England that 'toothless' pet so to speak.

Furthermore, the contents are political more than religious. Someone somewhere behind there is trying to inflict changes in other peoples belief. Why should we believe 'today's explanations of events that took place 2004 years ago ? I'd rather see someone come with a new religion than trying to destroy old beliefs that stands in their own rights. If the three wisemen were not men where did it go wrong that until recently men dominated affairs of the 'mankind' ? The Church should have changed the word "mankind" first because it refers to 'man' since of the 'kind' is not "man" alone. But the origin of the word 'mankind' is known better to the early 'man' or people as the impact of 'man's superiority was still fresh. So the-man has always been predominant and the three-wisemen were indeed men.

Shinoda LP if religions could be having immorality leaderships, I do not see why they can not also be having those trying to destroy them from within.

Oh europe !

Why loose hope ?

All beliefs came with a purpose !

Shouldn't all Good Christian believe in the leadership of the Pope ?

Or did the the Wisemen got sent for Englande ?

If not so, then why don't all Christians follow Pope ?

Yes there are those who want to see Christianity errode !

As for Christianity I believe Islam is also the same !

Don't you think someone somewhere want's it too to errode ?

Otherwise why acts of sanat to Islam goes a blame ?

Yes tell me Shinoda tell me !

With this poem you and others I challenge ?

This thread to the political forum is HOME.

Shinoda LP
11-02-04, 08:30 PM
I assume you're talking about the political hierarchy within a religion ... Christianity and Islam here. Whether or not that comes without the discussion limits of Politics or Religion Sabla, has to be seen ...

Besides, this thread belongs to the Religion Sabla as much as it belongs to Politics Sabla ...

If you still want me to move this back to the Politics Sabla ... give me time, let me talk to Religion mods and hear what they say.

Thanx and sorry for any in-convenience caused! :)

MoonChild
16-02-04, 09:45 PM
Sounds like a reasonable correction of a poor translation to me.

However, they still haven't taken the final step into TRUTH - that the magi were astrologers :) Talk about non-PC ;)

Wanderer
17-02-04, 11:28 PM
Where did they ever get the idea that there were 3 astrologers (oops, wise men)?

Though I understand that 3 and 12 are magic numbers to Christians.