Slavery In Islam

[Scorpio27]

Islam institutionalized slavery. Muhammad began to take slaves after he moved to Medina, and had power. Slaves were usually taken in raids on nearby Arab tribes, or war, either through offensive or defensive actions. Islam allows the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting. This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves. Islamic jurisprudence laid down regulations for the proper treatment of slaves. However, abuses have occurred throughout history.

MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, THE QURAN, AND SLAVERY

To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves. Here are some relevant verses:

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.

23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

The passage's context here (not quoted in full) details how Muslim males are allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls. Implicit in this is that Muslim males had slave-concubines. 70:30 is basically a repeat of 23:5.

Ibn Sa'd's "Tabaqat", gives a clear description of Muhammad having "relations" with at least one of his slave girls. Muhammad had sexual relations with Mariyah, his Coptic slave. Mariyah and her sister, Sirin were slaves given as gifts to Muhammad. Muhammad gave Sirin to Hasan Thabit, the poet. Ibn Sa'd says that Muhammad "liked Mariyah, who was of white complexion, with curly hair and pretty." [Taken from Ibn Sa'd's "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book of the Major Classes), p151].

Ibn Sa'd also writes that Mariyah bore Muhammad a son named Ibrahim. He died 18 months later. Sa'd writes: "If he had lived, no maternal uncle of his would have remained in bondage", p164. This shows that there were other Coptic slaves owned by the Muslims.

The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33). [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]

While I think it's nice to allow a slave to obtain his freedom, (at his master's discretion) it is tragic that Islam allows them to be enslaved in the first place. That's like robbing a bank and giving some of the money back to the bank, and thinking you did the right thing!

The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves. It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.

[Scorpio27]

A friend of mine advised me to go through the under mentioned web. And asked for my comments. What can I say? What is your comment? I know very little about the matter.!
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/slavery.htm
:bang: :help:

[MoonChild]

Keeping in mind that Allah is only continuing His tradition, as set forth to the Jews and not repudiated by Jesus, of allowing slavery but encouraging reasonable treatment of them in most cases.

At least He is consistent :rolleyes:

but it IS an awkward situation for modern Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, that modern thought is that slavery is barbaric and inhumane, but their God approves...

[Enigma]

This has led to numerous "jihads" by Muslim states and tribes to attack other non-Muslim groups and obtain slaves.

Soo they're saying the reasn for some Jihad is to obtain slaves?!

There is ONLY ONE true reason for jihad, and that is in the name of Allah, fighting for Islam.

[Scorpio27]

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.

23:5 - "... except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:..."

[jack]

Hasnain
The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves. It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.No one ignored you ... it is just that the last thing a muslim would want to do is face this issue. They would much rather turn their head on the issue of slavery in Islam.

Why .... because no one has an answer for this. Islam is supposed to be for all time. Slavery today would be a heinous act in any society, but yet if you are a muslim you can own a slave TODAY per the Quran, no problem ...

And if the truth be known ... I'd bet many decent muslims are as puzzeled about how Allah could sanction slavery per the Quran, but don't dare question .... but follow it blindly ?

[Enigma]

it is just that the last thing a muslim would want to do is face this issue. They would much rather turn their head on the issue of slavery in Islam.

No, its just that I don't know much about the slave issue. Barely anything actually so I can't really answer him.

[Scorpio27]

Don’t know why! But I can’t accept the theory about slaves. Hope more constructive post I will find here and I will be able to know the facts and reason behind it. I respect and believe my religion Islam but I am astonished seeing such inhumane verse in Islam. :rolleyes:

[Scorpio27]

http://www.renaissance.com.pk/aprq12y2.html

read it, i am upset about it

[MoonChild]

The point in the article about the Quranic verses being intended to gradually phase out slavery, would be more convincing if the Quran had eventually actually prohibited the practice... instead, it stops at "treating them well" (same as the Bible did).

[sanwin25]

This is a really interesting justification for slavery and sex with slave women. From Mufit Desai none the less.

Q. Recently I saw a question on the status of women taken as prisoners during Jihad. Could you please clarify the points below? 1. Dont you think sex without marriage is a disgrace to that particular woman? Please give a detailed reply to this point as to why sex is allowed without marriage. 2. What is the status of the child born through this relationship? And if it comes to the knowledge of the male that his slave is pregnant then should he marry her immediately? Can he leave her if he wants to? 3. To what sort of women does this rule apply. I mean can they be ordinary citizens (mothers/sisters/wives of men) of any city Muslims capture or they must have taken part in the battle against Muslims so that this rule may apply to them. 4. What treatment do women captured get if they are already married and there husbands are taken prisoners and are yet alive. Are they also subject to the same treatment above?What if there husbands have died in the fight. Are they restricted to the "Iddat" period before they are available for sex or are they refrained form doing so for that period? 5.I understand that these women may necessarily not be used as sex objects but since this is allowed I cant help thinking of the fact that if a Muslim haves sex with a women for days or months and then just leaves her off she is a prostitute who has filled the desire of an unknown man willingly or unwillingly. Don’t you think so? I’m confused please help

ANSWER: contd..Firstly, it should be borne in mind that slavery was not something that was introduced by Islam; on the contrary, it was something that had its roots planted long before the advent of Islam. Who was it who said that Islam was around from the time of Adam ? It would not be an exaggeration to state that slavery is probably as old as war itself, because it is one of the consequences of war. Thus, slavery apparently first reared its head with the first wars that took place on the face of earth. War is a factor that makes soft men stern, kind men harsh and delicate men rugged. A man who cannot bear to see the sight of blood under normal circumstances becomes capable of shedding the blood of hundreds under the pressure of war. Those who were not killed in warfare, used to be taken as prisoners of war. The pages of history will show that many alternative, expedient methods were used through the ages to deal with prisoners of war. Some used to be executed while others would be set free, with or without a ransom. Then, there were others who were neither executed nor set free. These were enslaved.

When Islam came and prospered, its power was challenged by the enemies of Islam and the need to go to war arose. By that time, slavery had virtually become an international custom. It was also rife among the Arabs from the days of darkness and ignorance. Thus, abolishing it instantaneously would have caused chaos and pandemonium among the Arab people. Hence, a process of gradual extirpation had to be implemented. Moreover, if the Muslims would set all their enemy-prisoners free and tolerate their fellow Muslims being captured and enslaved by the enemies, it would have lead to a sharp decrease in the Muslim military force and given a great advantage to the enemy forces which was something that the Muslims could not afford. Furthermore, it is a well known fact that warfare tactics used by one side are often countered by the opposing side in order to maintain a balance of power. Hence, wartime diplomacy necessitated the enslaving of prisoners.

In the "Jihads" (Islamic wars) that took place, women were also, at times, taken as prisoners of war by the Muslim warriors. These women captives used to be distributed as part of the booty among the soldiers, after their return to Islamic territory. Each soldier was then entitled to have relations ONLY with the slave girl over whom he was given the RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP and NOT with those slave girls that were not in his possession. This RIGHT OF OWNERSHIP was given to him by the "Ameerul-Mu'mineen" (Head of the Islamic state.) Due to this right of ownership, it became lawful for the owner of a slave girl to have intercourse with her.

It may, superficially, appear distasteful to copulate with a woman who is not a man's legal wife, but once Shariah makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariah, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension. Allah Ta'ala has said in the Holy
Quraan: "Wa maa ooteetum min al-ilm illaa qaleelan" which means, more or less, that, "You have been given a very small portion of knowledge". Hence, if a person fails to comprehend the underlying wisdom of any law of Shariah, he cannot regard it as a fault of Shariah (Allah forbid), on the contrary, it is the fault of his own perception and lack of understanding, because no law of Shariah is contradictory to wisdom.

Nevertheless, the wisdom underlying the permission granted by Shariah to copulate with a slave woman is as follows: The LEGAL possession that a Muslim receives over a slave woman from the "Ameerul-Mu'mineen" (the Islamic Head of State) gives him legal credence to have coition with the slave woman in his possession, just as the marriage ceremony gives him legal credence to have coition with his wife. In other words, this LEGAL POSSESSION is, in effect, a SUBSTITUTE of the MARRIAGE CEREMONY. A free woman cannot be 'possessed', bought or sold like other possessions; therefore Shariah instituted a 'marriage ceremony' in which affirmation and consent takes place, which gives a man the right to copulate with her. On the other hand, a slave girl can be possessed and even bought and sold, thus, this right of possession, substituting as a marriage ceremony, entitles the owner to copulate with her. A similar example can be found in the slaughtering of animals; that after a formal slaughtering process, in which the words, "Bismillahi Allahu Akbar" are recited, goats, cows, etc.; become "Halaal" and lawful for consumption, whereas fish becomes "Halaal" merely through 'possession' which substitutes for the slaughtering.

contd.....

[sanwin25]

contd..

In other words, just as legal possession of a fish that has been fished out of the water, makes it Halaal for human consumption without the initiation of a formal slaughtering process; similarly legal possession of a slave woman made her Halaal for the purpose of coition with her owner without the initiation of a formal marriage ceremony.

In short, permission to have intercourse with a slave woman was not something barbaric or uncivilised; on the contrary, it was almost as good as a marriage ceremony. In fact, possession of a slave woman resembles a marriage ceremony in many ways and both have a lot in common with each other. One similarity is this that just as a free woman cannot have two husbands simultaneously; a slave woman cannot be used for intercourse by two owners. Another similarity is that a free woman whose marriage is on the rocks, cannot marry another man until her previous marriage is nullified through divorce, etc. Due to the discrepancies between husband and wife, the marriage sometimes reaches a stage where it becomes virtually impossible for the couple to live as man and wife with the result that divorce is brought into force to nullify marriage ties. Similarly, if a slave woman was married previously in enemy territory to a non-Muslim, and is then captured alone, i.e. without her husband, it is not permissible for any Muslim to have relations with her until her previous marriage is nullified, and that is done by bringing her to an Islamic country and making her the legal possession of a Muslim. Bringing her into Islamic territory necessitates the rendering of her previous marriage as null and void by Islamic law because with her husband in enemy territory and she in Islamic territory, it becomes virtually impossible for them to meet and live as man and wife. That is why it is not permissible to have intercourse with a woman whose husband is also taken into captivity and put into slavery with her. Another resemblance between the two is that, just as a divorcee has to spend a period called "Iddat" before another man is allowed to marry her; similarly, a slave woman has to spend a period called "Istibraa" before her owner can have coition with her.

Another similarity between marriage and possession of a slave woman is that just as the wife becomes a dependant of the husband and he has to provide a home, food and clothing for her, a slave woman also becomes a dependant of her owner and he has to provide a home, food and clothing for her. Yet another similarity is this that just as marriage makes the close relatives of the wife Haraam upon the husband; i.e. he cannot get married to his wife's mother, grandmother, sister, etc., similarly if a man has copulated with a slave woman the slave woman's close relatives also become Haraam upon the owner. With all these similarities it does not make sense to regard copulation with a slave woman distasteful whilst copulation with one's wife is not regarded as distasteful.

A question that may still arise is that why does the owner of a slave woman not marry her before having relations with her? Well, this is impracticable because of a few intricate technicalities. Firstly, we know that a man has to give "Mahr" (dower-money) to his bride. The Holy Quran says:-

[ A r a b i c ]
Trans: "And allowed unto you is whatsoever is beyond that, so that ye may seek them with your substance (i.e. with your dower-money)(4:24).

Thus, "Mahr" is a conditional prerequisite of Nikaah. If a man has to marry his slave woman, it would not be possible for him to abide by this condition of 'Mahr' because by Islamic law, a slave does not have rights over any property, i.e. she cannot own anything. In fact, whatever she has with her too, i.e. her clothing, etc., is all regarded as the property of her owner. Therefore, If he gets married to his slave girl and gives her the 'Mahr' she cannot become the owner of it because she has no right of ownership. The 'Mahr' would bounce back to the owner of the slave girl and it would tantamount to giving the 'Mahr' to himself. Hence, the owner would become the payer as well as the PAYEE of the 'Mahr' which would only result in the mockery of the whole system of 'Mahr'. It would be absolutely superfluous to have such a marriage ceremony performed that makes a mockery of the 'Mahr' system. Hence, the owner cannot get married to her while she remains a slave girl. However, if he sets her free, then he can get married to her on the basis of her having become a liberated woman.

Although the owner himself cannot get married to his slave woman, without giving her freedom, he can get her married to someone else. If he gets her married to someone else, then only her husband can now have intercourse with her and the owner's right of having intercourse with her comes to an end. All these facts prove that the slave girl does not become an instrument of sex; on the contrary, her honour is upheld, in that only one man is allowed to have intercourse with her JUST AS only one man (the husband) is allowed to have intercourse with his lawfully wedded wife. What a wonderful bit of convulated logic this is!

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society. AMAZING ! What a wonderful justification for RAPE!

Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) enjoined his followers to treat the slaves kindly, gently, and, above all, to regard them as members of the family. In this way, they were made to feel wanted; which was far better than treating them as outcasts and leaving them to wander the streets of a strange society in a penniless, destitute condition. Such treatment would have ultimately forced them to take up evil occupations such as prostitution in the case of slave woman in order to fill their hungry stomachs. The First World War in 1914 was a clear reflection of the evils involved in setting captive women free to roars about in a strange society with strange surroundings. During that war, German and English women prisoners on either side were set free to roam the streets with no-one to feed them. The result was obvious that they resorted to other unrefined and uncivilised methods of income on the streets. Thus, it is evident that the Islamic treatment of women prisoners of war was conducive towards better social relations and led to the refinement of their overall social lives.

Over and above all this, History will show that Islam did not encourage slavery but rather encouraged moves towards the extirpation of slavery. Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam has said something to this effect in a Hadith, that: "Whosoever freed a Muslim slave, the Lord would redeem all his limbs - in compensation for each limb of the slave, so much so that the private parts for the private parts - from the Fire of Hell.

"If a slave woman becomes pregnant from her owner, and delivers his child, she automatically gets her freedom after the death of her master whose child she gave birth to.

Moreover, there are many wrongs and sins for which the liberation of a slave serves as a compensation and atonement. This was a further incentive for the extirpation of slavery. Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam also taught that whosoever teaches good manners to his slave girl, adorns her with politeness and good education, then frees her and gets married to her, for him there is double recompense and reward. These encouraging teachings served as incentives towards the emancipation of slaves and slaves were liberated by the thousands. Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam himself freed 63 slaves, Hazrat Abu Bakr Radhiallahu Anhu freed 63, Hazrat Abdur-Rahman bin Auf Radhiallahu Anhu 30,000; Hazrat Hakim bin Huzam Radhiallahu Anhu 100; Hazrat Abbas Radhiallahu Anhu 70; Hazrat Ayesha Radhiallahu Anha 69; Hazrat Abdullah bin Umar Radhiallahu Anhu 100; Hazrat Uthman Radhiallahu Anhu used to free one slave every Friday and he would say that he would tree any slave who performed his prayers with humility. Hazrat Zul-Kilah Radhiallahu Anhu freed 8,000 slaves in a single day.

Hazrat Umar Radhiallahu Anhu passed certain laws during his Khilaafat which led to the emancipation of thousands of slaves, and to the prevention of certain specific forms of slavery. Some of the edicts that he issued:
1. All the apostate tribes that were enslaved during the Khilaafat
of Hazrat Abu Bakr Radhiallahu Anhu were to be freed.
2. A Zimmi (protected non-Muslim subject of an Islamic state)
should not be enslaved.
3. Arabs will not be enslaved.
4. Those who had been enslaved during the days of ignorance (prior
to the advent of Islam) and had lived to witness the Islamic era, should redeem themselves from slavery by paying their costs (their value) to their owners whether they were willing or not.

As a result of all these laws, there came a time when slavery was totally extirpated. But of course, this extirpation came about after a gradual process because that was the only safe and expedient way of tackling the problem.

contd...

[sanwin25]

Because of the prevalence of slavery in the initial stages of Islam the necessity of educating the people about the treatment of slaves also arose. Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam taught his followers how the slaves should be treated with kindness, etc. In fact, Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam himself possessed slave girls. In this way, he was able to demonstrate practically how kindly and politely the slave should be treated. Because it is relevant to the topic, it would be appropriate to mention here that Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam also had four slave girls. One was Hazrat Maria Qibtiyya Radhiallahu Anha who was the mother of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam's son, Ibrahim Alayhis Salaam who passed away in infanthood. The others were, Hazrat Rayhaan binte Samoon; Hazrat Nafisa and a fourth, whose name has not been recorded in History.

One question that still remains is whether slavery still legally prevails anywhere in the Islamic world and whether it can be successfully implemented in this age. Well, there is no prevalence of lawful slavery in the Islamic world today and it would be difficult to implement it because of the stringent conditions attached to it. Firstly, the prisoners have to be captured in 'Jihaad' in the true sense of the word. Then again, If true 'Jihaad' did break out somewhere, there are still a number of other laws and conditions to abide by which are far too stringent for any Islamic country in the world to abide by in this time and age when people's personal gains and whims and desire are being given preference to over Islamic Law. According to Islamic Law, captive female prisoners are also part and parcel of the booty. One fifth of the booty has to be first distributed to the needy, orphans, etc. The remaining four-fifths should then be distributed among the soldiers who participated in the war. The distribution can only take effect after the booty is brought into Islamic territory. The Ameerul-Mu'mineen (Head of the Islamic State) remains the guardian of the female prisoners until he allocates them to the soldiers. Only after a soldier has been allotted a slave girl, and made the owner of her, will she become his lawful possession. After she spends a period called 'Istibraa', which is the elapse of one menstrual period, It becomes permissible for her owner to have relations with her. After possession of the slave too there are a number of other laws that affect the master and slave. There is hardly any Islamic country today that can abide to all these conditions, with the result that it is quite difficult to implement slavery in this time and age.

The subject of slavery in Islam is quite comprehensive and there are many laws that pertain to slaves which the Jurisprudents of Islam have outlined. It is, however, hoped that the above mentioned facts will be adequate enough to answer your questions.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=10896

To this I just have to say :yuck:

Disgraceful. Disgraceful. Disgraceful.

[sanwin25]

Suprising not a single further comment.

Can we then take it what this mufti says is accurate ?

If you disagree, please tell me why.

[SadLad]

Just out of curiosity, ain't slavery approved in the bible and Torah as well?

[sanwin25]

You would have to search far and wide to find a single believer in either faiths, not to speak of religious leaders, who would in any way find religious justification for slavery today.

However, this topic is on slavery in ISLAM. Apparently according to mufti desai, it is perfectly legal, acceptable and in some cases desirable.

[Scorpio27]

Sorry San, I have lost interest posting here somehow. So forgive me. May be from now you people will see me rarely in the Sabla.

I am shocked knowing that hundreds of shia Muslims died yesterday in Iraq and Pakistan on the Holy day of Ashura.

What the hell is going on!

[SadLad]

Originally posted by sanwin25
You would have to search far and wide to find a single believer in either faiths.
I'm not interested in what you believers think, but I'm interested in what your religions tell. :sad:

[SadLad]

While I was reading the too long messages written here, these questions came to mind?
Ain't slavery another term for prisoners of war?!
Don't people still accept the idea of POW?!
AREN'T people of the invaded countries in nowadays' wars either killed or taken as POW(enslaved) ?
Weren't POW (slaves) better treated in our prophet's days?

[sanwin25]

Nice diversion.

However, back to the topic.

BTW, your signature is too long.

[SadLad]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Nice diversion.

However, back to the topic.

BTW, your signature is too long.
Was it really a diversion?! :bored: :help:

Strange fela :lost:

[sanwin25]

sadsack

The topic is called Slavery In Islam

Not Slavery in Christianity / Judaim.

Thats called a diversion.

[Scorpio27]

I want an explanation. I am badly searching for it. This long I found most things reasonable in Islam except slavery and multiple marriages. I want to worship knowing all the issues and logic behind it. I don’t want to be blind. Islam is better then all other religion I can say that and most will agree, please don’t count the Muslims acts but the Quran’s advice and rules. Hope I will find acceptable answer from someone here or there. I’ll wait till then. Take care.

[sanwin25]

Were you not satisfied with how clearly the mufti justified slavery ?

[shamsery]

Originally posted by Hasnain

33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right. These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war. As the saying goes: to the victors go the spoils.


Hasnain,
Are you sure that you have quoted the verse correctly?
Did you check who are the sponsors of the web site?
I have taken only one point to reply and examine yourself the rest.

Anyway, for your eyes the verse is in English.

Surah 33. Al- Ahzab.
O Prophet! Lo! we have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid the dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those Allah hath given thee as spoils of War, and the daughter of thine uncle on the father’s side and the daughter of thine aunts on the father’s side , and daughters on thine uncle on the mother’s side emigrated with the, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage, a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers. We are aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hand possesses that thou mayst be free from the blame, for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 33.50

[Bucks Fizz]

Nothing wrong with slavery, if you ask me. When a POW is taken, doesnt he do manual labour for free?
Anyway, times change and the way we act and think changes with the times. Keeping a slave is optional, not compulsory (which is the way some people here are making it sound) and as we can see present today there are very few muslims who keep slaves anyway. The ones that do are still living in the 7th century and don't have machines to do their work for them.

[sanwin25]

Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."


and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those Allah hath given thee as spoils of War,

Shams, what exactly is the difference ? booty vs spoils of war ?

You say tomayto I say tomato.

[shamsery]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Shams, what exactly is the difference ? booty vs spoils of war ?



Mr.Sanwin,

We do not think in the same way.

Difference is big.
Spoils has a different meaning in English = acquisition = Prizes.
Booty has a different meaning to = a trophy.
Instead of a word you are to realize the sprit of the verse.
Moreover each and every verse has a background.
Message/ Order came to Holly prophet under particular circumstances.
While reading Qur’an , you are to keep this in your mind.
Moreover, it is not simple to translate word for word in other language.
Dowries means DINMOHAR.
Which is payable to the groom.
It is her right.
This is their exclusive property.
This may only come into force if the lady gives her consent spontaneously.
With out the legal marriage in between an man and woman, any sexual relation is prohibited and considered the worst sin including the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh).





Hasnain,
Do you know why, where and how the verse came Prophet Muhammad( Pbuh).
Have gone through the “Sane Najul”?
Have gone through the “Tafsir”?
At least have you gone through the Bengali Translation of Sura Al- Ahzab.
This Sura contains 73 Ayats , Please read the total first.
You are to study the socio economic and cultural condition of Arabs of that time.
These are very much integrated.
How could you think the text is so cheap?

I offer you the following verse from the same Sura:

33.48 . And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites . Disregard their noxious talk , and put thy trust in Allah . Allah is sufficient as Trustee .

[Scorpio27]

I won’t comment further on the issue until I read the suggested surah and translation.

Thanks for the advice.


My point is there should not have any contradictory words used in such serious issues in Quran translation. Are the translators confused what the real words should be?!:bang:

[Scorpio27]

Islam and Slavery a response to Dr Imran Waheed
User comment on article: What is Jihad

Submitted by Steve T, March 3, 2003 at 10:21

I would like to comment on one remark by Dr Imran Waheed, namely that Islam prohibits slavery.

I found this an astounding comment for the following reasons.

1) The Prophet Mohammed was a slave owner.
2) Some of the Islamic traditions describe the Prophet Mohammed buying and selling slaves. i.e. saying he was a slave trader as well as an owner.
3) One of the principle drives of the Arab conquests was booty, and slaves formed a large part of that booty.
4) Slavery was endemic in the Islamic world from the ealiest recorded times up until the end of the 19th century. The slave market in Zanzibar wasn't shut down until 1888. (Shut down by the French and English)
5) One form of taxation of the Christian population in the balkans was in children, a lot of which went into slavery.
6) It is estimated that more slaves went from Africa into the middle east than went across the water to the Americas. Even the ones that went to the West, often had an Arab middle man selling them in the first place.
7) Slavery still exists in a number of Muslim countries (Sudan and Mauretania). If anything it is growing in the Islamic world at the moment.
8) The Koran sanctifies slavery. For example by allowing Muslim men to have sex with their slave girls (a bit difficult if there aren't any).

I mean no offence by my comments, but clearly Islam doesn't prohibit slavery, it has always been involved with slavery, along time before, during and after the west was involved.

Note: Opinions expressed by commentators do not necessarily reflect the views of Daniel Pipes.

I am annoyed with the issue of slavery

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7016

[shamsery]

Again Mistake.

[jack]

Mr shamsery ... which part is incorrect?

1) The Prophet Mohammed was a slave owner.
2) Some of the Islamic traditions describe the Prophet Mohammed buying and selling slaves. i.e. saying he was a slave trader as well as an owner.
3) One of the principle drives of the Arab conquests was booty, and slaves formed a large part of that booty.
4) Slavery was endemic in the Islamic world from the ealiest recorded times up until the end of the 19th century. The slave market in Zanzibar wasn't shut down until 1888. (Shut down by the French and English)
5) One form of taxation of the Christian population in the balkans was in children, a lot of which went into slavery.
6) It is estimated that more slaves went from Africa into the middle east than went across the water to the Americas. Even the ones that went to the West, often had an Arab middle man selling them in the first place.
7) Slavery still exists in a number of Muslim countries (Sudan and Mauretania). If anything it is growing in the Islamic world at the moment.
8) The Koran sanctifies slavery. For example by allowing Muslim men to have sex with their slave girls (a bit difficult if there aren't any).

[sanwin25]

Moreover each and every verse has a background.
Message/ Order came to Holly prophet under particular circumstances.
While reading Qur’an , you are to keep this in your mind.


What shams, now you are saying that the Quran is NOT a book of instructions for all people for all times ?

And you did not address a single issue that the mufti issued as a fatwa. What is your opinion of the fatwa ?

[amo_l_oman]

Sudan and Mauritania are using Islam for their interior wars in which also Christians are involved, this doesn't sanctifies slavery there

http://www.amnestyusa.org/home.html

[sanwin25]

Amo what is your opinion on what the mufti said ?

[Bucks Fizz]

Well frankly Islamic intrepretation is a personal issue, the Grand mufti of egypt publicly said that Ibadhi's (muslims sect) are all heretics, don't mean its true. If you want to believe what he writes thats your problem but am sure there is another mufti who'll tell u another story.

but i think slavery is legal in Islam. We are slaves of god after all, yet we are quite free to do as we please. ;)

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bucks Fizz
Well frankly Islamic intrepretation is a personal issue, ... We are slaves of god after all, yet we are quite free to do as we please.


Though that's just your interpretation, eh ?

;)

[amo_l_oman]

Originally posted by sanwin25
Amo what is your opinion on what the mufti said ?

Which one :os
Am lost between pre-Islamic, idols, Abbas, pitbull B-Day, d_s taxes conspiracy, i need a vacation :tiered:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by amo_l_oman
Which one :os


About sexual slaves from page 1, I believe.

Do you have any ?

[amo_l_oman]

Originally posted by Wanderer
Do you have any ?

Slave :lost: not yet but in future...

[amo_l_oman]

lol after the fish thing i started laughing and closed the page
plus i don't like fatwas
i base myself on Quran Sunnah and common sense
ohno i cannot have a sex slave am a woman so i should wait for a slave master, ok

[sanwin25]

Amo, I have posted extensive details on page 1.

Enjoy.

[amo_l_oman]

Ye i started, but when i was compared to a fish .....i stopped

[mimosa]

Can Muslims take other Muslims as slaves? (I'm not getting into the moral debate here, just interested in the jurisprudence aspect for now...)

At what point does a slave make the transition from free person to slave...I mean legally speaking: e.g. there must be a procedure by which a female for instance, ceases to be mu7arrama as somebody else's wife, and becomes 7alal as a slave. Is there some sort of ceremony or recitation? Or does "Amir al Mu'mineen" have to publicly announce it?

[TeMaRa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mimosa
Can Muslims take other Muslims as slaves? (I'm not getting into the moral debate here, just interested in the jurisprudence aspect for now...) [/QOUTE]

To the best of my understanding Mimo, yes other muslims were taken as slaves. Originally the status of 'Slave' was the outcome of one being a prisoner of war. A captive who could not buy his own freedom by means of ransom remained in the possesion of the captor until he had earned his fredoom by work or till granted liberty by his master.

I'd like to qoute something off a book called the Reliance of the Traveller to give you a slight understanding about the definition of slavery in Islam,

"Slavery within Islamic culture is not to be confused with Roman slavery or with the American variety of the nineteenth century; In Islam the slave was never a mere " thing". If his master treated him badly, he could appeal to a judge and procure his freedom. His dignity as a Muslim was inviolable"

In the Islamic Shaariah , " To free a slave is actually an act of worship" . Let me explain the meaning of this to you, Islam did not invent the system of owning slaves. This was a cultural influence that had been fully established and could not be instantly abolished .Infact slaves were helped to purchase their freedom by being provided with Zakat funds .So what Islam did was encouraged slavery to be eliminated step by step .The freeing of slaves is promised great rewards from Allah most high.

Your question regarding a female slave being halal... could you further clarify wat you mean by the term halal? Do you mean it as the Master being the mohrem of the slave as in he can have sexual relations with her :confused: If we are following the Islamic law then he would have to free her as a slave and go through the aqeed and marry her in the manner he would marry another woman. However I assume this happened differently back then, they did not go through the aqeed procedure and Allah knows best on the dos and donts of that.

[Scorpio27]

I am shamed seeing the page!
Islam and Slavery a response to Dr Imran Waheed
User comment on article: What is Jihad

Submitted by Steve T, March 3, 2003 at 10:21

I would like to comment on one remark by Dr Imran Waheed, namely that Islam prohibits slavery.

I found this an astounding comment for the following reasons.

1) The Prophet Mohammed was a slave owner.
2) Some of the Islamic traditions describe the Prophet Mohammed buying and selling slaves. i.e. saying he was a slave trader as well as an owner.
3) One of the principle drives of the Arab conquests was booty, and slaves formed a large part of that booty.
4) Slavery was endemic in the Islamic world from the ealiest recorded times up until the end of the 19th century. The slave market in Zanzibar wasn't shut down until 1888. (Shut down by the French and English)
5) One form of taxation of the Christian population in the balkans was in children, a lot of which went into slavery.
6) It is estimated that more slaves went from Africa into the middle east than went across the water to the Americas. Even the ones that went to the West, often had an Arab middle man selling them in the first place.
7) Slavery still exists in a number of Muslim countries (Sudan and Mauretania). If anything it is growing in the Islamic world at the moment.
8) The Koran sanctifies slavery. For example by allowing Muslim men to have sex with their slave girls (a bit difficult if there aren't any).

I mean no offence by my comments, but clearly Islam doesn't prohibit slavery, it has always been involved with slavery, along time before, during and after the west was involved.

Note: Opinions expressed by commentators do not necessarily reflect the views of Daniel Pipes.

I am annoyed with the issue of slavery

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/7016

[sanwin25]

Goes on till this day, mass rape of captives. abduction of women and children.

Mass rape campaign reported in Sudan

DARFUR, Sudan, March 19 (UPI) -- Reports emerged from western Sudan Friday saying Arab militias had committed a mass rape of more than 100 women in a small village.

U.N. coordinator for Sudan Mukesh Kapila said 75 people were killed in the attack on the village of Tawila by Arab militiamen two weeks ago.

"Over 100 women were raped, six in front of their fathers who were later killed," he said, adding a further 150 women and 200 children were abducted.

Arab militias, backed by the government, have driven hundreds of thousands from their homes in retaliation for a rebellion launched a year ago by two armed groups who accused the Arab-dominated government of ignoring the black African inhabitants of the western Darfur region, the BBC said.

"It is more than just a conflict. It is an organized attempt to do away with a group of people," Kapila said.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040319-104823-5179r.htm