well I would like to know what kind of food is prohibited for Jews.

I know that you only eat kosher food. and its the closest to what Muslims are supposed to eat. As when we are in US or Uk, we search for Kosher food.

so what shouldnt be in a food to be Khosher?

I'm always glad to answer questions!

check out this site: http://www.brijnet.org/us/cdd/kosher3.htm

One reason given for the laws of keeping kosher is: non-kosher animals are carnivorous, e.g., lions, horses, (or ominivorous). Kosher animals are only herbivorous, e.g., cows, sheep. So the character traits of the carnivorous animals are nasty, while the herbivorous animals have more refined character traits.

By consuming food from kosher animals, we ensure that we develop only refined, peaceful character traits.

Originally posted by monotheism
By consuming food from kosher animals, we ensure that we develop only refined, peaceful character traits.

Is that part of Judaic belief, that you develop character traits from what you eat?

And since the rules are to prohibit the eating of carnivores, is there concern about the feeding practices (for beef cattle at least), that some beef by-products are used in cattle feed, effectively making them cannibals (this is how mad cow disease is spread as a matter of fact)...

MoonChild: If the natural inclination of the animal is not to attack other animals, then it is more refined than animals that do attack and kill others. If the animal is fed from a carnivorous animal, that doesn't matter so much, because its herbivorous nature doesn't change, though it may affect the animal somewhat. Like an echo is weaker than the original sound.

Originally posted by monotheism
MoonChild: If the natural inclination of the animal is not to attack other animals, then it is more refined than animals that do attack and kill others.

If vegetarian animals are morally superior to carnivores, then why did God create carnivores?

(btw if you prefer I can write G-d, don't want to hurt your eyes to read my posts :) )

I have a better question: why did He create evil altogether? But there's another thread for discussing that!

Even less refined creatures have their purpose.

BTW, under the Noahide Code, non-Kosher food is permitted to non-Jews.

Do you not believe the dietary regulations simply reflect geo-cultural considerations?

no, that's what an atheist would say
I believe it's G-d's Law

Originally posted by monotheism
no, that's what an atheist would say
I believe it's G-d's Law

If it is God´s law, then why is it that the vast majority of the planet´s inhabitants have not, do not and will not ever "obey" the law? People tend to eat the animals which inhabit their territory and the crops and vegetables native to the same territory. I shall be eating kangaroo steak at the weekend. Not native to Switzerland, I know, but bonzer tucker!

bonzer tucker :)

I specifically said that eating Kosher was only commanded to Jews.

Originally posted by monotheism
If the natural inclination of the animal is not to attack other animals, then it is more refined than animals that do attack and kill others.

Humans kill other animals. Thus, by your thinking, you are less "refined" than a locust !!

You are, of course, welcome to your philosophy ;)

I should mention that I always prepare pork with Kosher salt.

I don't know, it just seems ironic.

Originally posted by Shakoosh Kabir
I shall be eating kangaroo steak at the weekend. Not native to Switzerland, I know, but bonzer tucker!


Oh, Mono, are kangaroos Kosher ?

Humans kill other animals. Thus, by your thinking, you are less "refined" than a locust!!

true, but we are not cannibals--cannibalism is forbidden by the Torah and also according to the Noahide Code

indeed, man is capable of much worse evil than a locust, and to the extent that he acts on that inclination, is worse than a locust, or any other creature that lacks free will

I should mention that I always prepare pork with Kosher salt.

I don't know, it just seems ironic.

If I may ask, are you Jewish, Wanderer?
Most non-Jews wouldn't say such a thing

Oh, Mono, are kangaroos Kosher?

no

Originally posted by monotheism

indeed, man is capable of much worse evil than a locust, and to the extent that he acts on that inclination, is worse than a locust, or any other creature that lacks free will

I wouldn't think that any action by a locust could be considered evil at all, as that would suggest such a creature acted on free will. That, and that the Jewish god is believed to use locusts.


Originally posted by monotheism

If I may ask, are you Jewish, Wanderer?
Most non-Jews wouldn't say such a thing

No, my mother is not Jewish.

Could it be the previous generation's ties to Brooklyn, NY ?

I am reminded that my recently deceased uncle was raised Lutheran, regularly attended Catholic services, and observed Jewish holidays. I'm sure wherever he is, he has some explaining to do.

He introduced me to Peking Duck when I visited him in Kaneohe, Hawaii, a few years back.

I keep a copy of his "In Memoriam" pamphlet in the register of my bill-paying checking account, so that I think of him when I pay the bills. There comes a point when it's not about money anymore.

I never did get a chance to send him that red heifer.

I wouldn't think that any action by a locust could be considered evil at all, as that would suggest such a creature acted on free will.

true, my mistake--bad choice of wording

I meant that man can sink much lower than any other creature, even the forces of evil, which according to Judaism possess no free will.

thanx mono,

we have the same law, we are not allowed to eat animals that eat other animals.

what about pork?? are jews allowed to eat it?

what about drinking alchol?

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
thanx mono

you're welcome!

no, Jews may not eat pork

yes, Jews may imbibe alcohol, but only in moderation

how do you define "moderation"??

In a way that one may not become intoxicated, except on certain very joyous Festivals, e.g., Purim.

My personal teacher, Rabbi Schneerson, teaches that even on festive occasions, anyone under the age of forty may not imbibe more than four small shots of alcohol. This is not enough to intoxicate at all--barely enough to make the person tipsy. It does give a bit of a boost, in order to add to the joy of the religious occasion and promote inspiration in a healthy, balanced manner.

Women may never imbibe any alcohol, except in VERY small amounts. It is very immodest for a woman to become intoxicated.

But kangaroos are herbivores - they are the cows of Australia.

Thus, they ought to be permitted.

Surely God knew about kangaroos - in fact, they had to have come off the ark with Noah, so according to the Biblical version of events, even the ancient ancestors wouldn't have been unfamiliar with the species - so what's up?

Originally posted by MoonChild
But kangaroos are herbivores - they are the cows of Australia.

Thus, they ought to be permitted.

Surely God knew about kangaroos - in fact, they had to have come off the ark with Noah, so according to the Biblical version of events, even the ancient ancestors wouldn't have been unfamiliar with the species - so what's up?

Apparently, while they do chew their cud, Kangaroo feet do not meet the requirements.

That's correct. Since they don't have split hooves, they aren't kosher.

I believe Moose are Kosher.

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/pizza/179/moo2.gif

Do you eat dead animals?

Originally posted by IceTea
Do you eat dead animals?

Do you eat LIVE ones?! :eyes: :twitch:

Originally posted by MoonChild
Do you eat LIVE ones?! :eyes: :twitch:

:D No.

I mean by my question, if jews eat animals which are not slughtered(not sure about the spelling) by a knife for example.

Originally posted by IceTea
:D No.

I mean by my question, if jews eat animals which are not slughtered(not sure about the spelling) by a knife for example.

They have to be slaughtered in accordance with certain rules.

Slaughtered. Thus Jews are "less refined" than locusts.

That's Monotheism's arguement, not mine.

Most of the Jews I've met seemed quite nice ... and very clean.

no, moose are not kosher

IceTea: Indeed, it is forbidden to Jews to eat animals not slaughtered in the manner prescribed by Jewish Law.

Thus Jews are "less refined" than locusts.

:confused: don't know WHAT you are talking about

do you think it's always wrong to slaughter animals, even if the slaughter is done humanely?

then say so!

I made a simple,straightforward point: that although humans are lower than animals, humans can sink lower than any animals

period

Originally posted by monotheism
IceTea: Indeed, it is forbidden to Jews to eat animals not slaughtered in the manner prescribed by Jewish Law.





And what is the Jewish law about this, do you say anything while slaughtering an animal?

Yes. Before slaughtering animals, the Jewish Sages enacted that Jews recite: "Blessed are You, Lord our G-d, King of the universe, Who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning slaughtering."

for more info, check out this site (http://www.kosherquest.org/bookhtml/SHECHITA_THROUGH_BUTCHER.htm). The Hebrew words are translated.

Originally posted by monotheism
no, moose are not kosher


Oops, I'll have to change the can labels.

Originally posted by monotheism

do you think it's always wrong to slaughter animals, even if the slaughter is done humanely?

then say so!

I made a simple,straightforward point: that although humans are lower than animals, humans can sink lower than any animals

period

I'm all for slaughtering animals to eat. In fact, I consider any meatless meal as just a snack.

I agree that humans can sink lower than any other animal.

Locusts don't kill other animals for their food, but humans do. The fact that some may have a bucher do it by proxy, doesn't change things. As I understand your thinking, that makes Locus morally superior to humans !!

This seems odd.

Animals are inferior to man, and are created by the Creator to be consumed by man, and for that energy to be used in performing His Will.

Yes, in a sense, man's carnivorous (though not cannibalistic) nature makes him, in that sense, on a lower level than a herbivore. At the same time, man is intellectually far superior. His goal is to refine his innate animal nature--the animal soul--by using it in his service of the Creator.

Jews are commanded to eat animals in a certain way that is not required for non-Jews, although non-Jews are also required to obtain their meat in a certain way ( http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/living_limb.php ).

Originally posted by monotheism
Jews are commanded to eat animals in a certain way that is not required for non-Jews, ...

We chew. Dare I ask ?

Are camels kosher or halal?

Surprisingly, Camels and Moose are not kosher. Neither are Llama - they are closly related to Camels (both evolved in North America).

It appears that Giraffe are kosher, as are certain Grasshoppers.

Grasshoppers are usually panfried and served whole, Giraffes are not.

That's correct, Wanderer, camels, moose, and llama are not kosher, but giraffe and certain locusts are.