If God has Created Human of same race and just a single religion. [Archive]

X-press

23-12-03, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Hasnain
If God has Created....just a single religion

Hasnain,

Though you are a muslim, the title you wrote shows that there is something you obviously don't know about Islam and the previous messages:

Allah (God) has 'created' only ONE religion, or at least His message was and still is universal.

It is men (meaning his creations) who have unfortunately changed His original message.

I am sure the prophets before Phrophet Mohammed (pbuh) would have a shock if they had the chance to read now the new versions of their scriptures!

shamsery

23-12-03, 09:29 PM

“- Some really bored human came up with the idea of a religion.
- People followed him.
- Others didn't want to be puppets, so started rumours of other religions ...
- Time goes on and on, and now we have zillions of religions.

And people kill other people based on these so-called religion!!”

Dear Shinoda LP,

The paragraph sounds terrific.

Some great people come with religion to remove our darkness.

We could not light the walkway of our heart.

Gusty wind has taken away all the good wishes, divine love for the mankind.

For wealth, for power, we have brutally killed humanity.

We have forgotten that man is above every thing.
We have divided them in religion, cast, sects, given them ethnic identity.

We forgotten truth is beauty and beauty is God.

This God is with you. He is in you.

All the Prophets come to us with His message.

The content of the message is love, love, and love.

Love your creator, love the mankind, and love the creation.

Last prophet was the best example. He did not spoke only rather he practiced in his personal life.

We are blind, deaf and dumb.

We could not see the light, we could not listen the
melodic song, and we could not recite the sweetest verse.

We are handicapped.
We got bored due to our own limitations.

Time goes on and on, Like rolling wave and we are drowning in the depth of darkness.
Don’t know when there will be dawn, when the sun will raise. Really don’t know.
Looking ahead to the future.

Sorry, I was affected by little bit nostalgia.
The flying bird with lips retuning to home.
Wonderful.
Madam X-P, I liked the bird.
Symbol of peace.
But it is nowhere

Enigma

24-12-03, 06:29 AM

Hasanain how much do you know about the history of religions?

I believe that Allah sent the first prophet to mankind with THE religion of which they refused and believed not. And so he sent another.. and the same was repeated over and over again until we ended with Islam. Why end with Islam? That's a whole other discussion.

I also believe that each holy religion is ORIGINALLY exactly the same as the others. But men change what they like.. and now the world is cut into groups.

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You asked why Allah will not or cannot 'pluck evil' from the world?

If you are speaking of war, theives, abuses...ect. Is it not the actions of men that create/do this evil? Allah does not control us, we are at our own free will to do what we want and problem is some of us abuse that!

Blue_Chi

24-12-03, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by X-press

Hasnain,

Though you are a muslim, the title you wrote shows that there is something you obviously don't know about Islam and the previous messages:

Allah (God) has 'created' only ONE religion, or at least His message was and still is universal.

It is men (meaning his creations) who have unfortunately changed His original message.

I am sure the prophets before Phrophet Mohammed (pbuh) would have a shock if they had the chance to read now the new versions of their scriptures!

I personally loved this reply by XP. God has created only ONE religion.

Scorpio27

24-12-03, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Blue_Chi
There woudln't be a religion, there wouldn't be a meaning to the challenge of finding your own truth and your own path. IT would be BORING.
So, I think we will be bored if we have chance to be in Heaven. ? :rolleyes:

X-press

24-12-03, 10:37 AM

Hasnain,

If the world is turbulent, it is not because God created different races or because His creations ended up during the course of the years to believe in other things that what HE has revealed.

If the world is turbulent, it is because of Satan (or if the non-muslims feel that this word is too strong, I would say: the evil spirit or the negative influence) and from the will of many people to follow him.

Once we understand that Satan is always trying to pull us on his side and away from what is good and from faith, we try our best to follow the right path and create less turbulence.

X-press

24-12-03, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Hasnain
So, I think we will be bored if we have chance to be in Heaven. ? :rolleyes:

It is because your faith is weak that you can say that. It is because you do not strive to know one day Heaven and you can not even imagine what the Hereafter must be like.

Heaven is the original form of everything on earth where everything is so beautiful, so pure, so clean, so enjoyable. It is a place where you surely have more pleasant things to do than if (God forbid) you end up in Hell!

Scorpio27

24-12-03, 10:49 AM

Yes dear my faith may be week for the lack of logic, and why Satan? Allah loves us so he can turn Satan into a good Angel or can take off all power from him.:rolleyes:

Why he created The evil Satan ?:lost:

X-press

24-12-03, 11:24 AM

Of course God could do anything HE wants if HE chooses to...remember that he can simply say "Be and it is".

If Allah (God) didn't destroy Satan (or Iblis), it is because HE wants to test us, His creations, while we live on earth. It is this test and our free will to choose between right and wrong which will at the end determine if we deserve Paradise or Hell...simple as that ;)

Scorpio27

24-12-03, 11:31 AM

If this is a test, all of us (the participants) should have from the same quality strength and merit. Why aren't we made with same brilliance and other quality? How can we tell this a fair competition?
:bang:

Allah :help: us:confused:

MoonChild

24-12-03, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Hasnain
If this is a test, all of us (the participants) should have from the same quality strength and merit.

Hasnain, I have the same questions (and, as a child, asked the same questions of my Christian teachers). I'm particularly disturbed by the Sura which says that Allah has already decided whose heart He turns towards Him, and whose hearts will turn away from Him ... it's like I'm pre-ordained to go to Hell if I don't feel thrilled when I read the Quran!

In my exploration of both Christianity and Islam, I walk away with the taste of ashes in my mouth, because of this. If God is like that, then I feel betrayed by Him who made me that way - OR alternatively God is NOT like that and the religious books are wrong to say so.

I've turned this question over in my heart, mind and soul for 25 years and never found a satisfactory answer from the books - only from my own soul.

Shinoda LP

24-12-03, 09:00 PM

Shams ... I 'salute' you sir ... that was by far, the longest reply by you, at Sabla!! :)

And ... that sounded good too ... ;)

shamsery

24-12-03, 10:56 PM

There are many complicacies in the replies of the thread.
It has become wrinkled.
Need much time much time to open it.

“If God has created Human of same race and just a single religion. The world wouldn't be so turbulent.”

It seems to be an innocent question but in fact, not.

There are (Grossly) two ways to analyze.

One is form the Islamic point of view and other is Non Islamic.

So, some one to decide first, how he will examine it.

Anyway,

Hasnain read your reply “my faith may be week for the lack of logic”
Religion focused on faith not based on logic.

With due respect to Madam X-p,
“Of course God could do anything HE wants if HE chooses to...remember that he can simply say, "Be and it is".
Allah can do and undo anything. But He does not. Allah is not only “Rabbul Muslemin” He is basically “Rabbul Alamin” and He has set a rule to run the galaxies and He does not break His rule. He has enforced the rule for total mankind.

Madam Moon Child.
“then I feel betrayed by Him who made me that way”
“I've turned this question over in my heart, mind and soul for 25 years.”
There are knowledgeable person and I hope they will meet up with the question.

fatak

25-12-03, 05:13 AM

Good one Mr. Shamery............glad to see you are back........

I've often wonder why the creator didn't make the animal world to be vegetarian.......they just kill each other and eat the smaller animals.......

Tthere are plenty of plants around.......

Can you see that lion stalking the cabbage patch?

cheers
fatak

Scorpio27

28-12-03, 10:40 AM

By sending different religion different time we see different believers now. If only Islam was sent in the first place now we would get the most people in the shade of Islam and the trouble made from religion would be minimal. I know very little about religion but want to know from the learned members. More prophets more religion and its not easy to shift to a new religion which people believed from the root and was possessed by birth.

Should we blame the human for their believes?

Allah is the most powerful he could fix all problems but he left the task on us the ordinary people.

In Iran thousands of good Muslims are buried under the rubble of earth quack. Why? Allah could save the people but he didn’t!

The earth is a fragile gift from Almighty Allah.

I AM CONFUSED!!!
:bang:

X-press

28-12-03, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Hasnain
In Iran thousands of good Muslims are buried under the rubble of earth quack. Why? Allah could save the people but he didn’t!

I AM CONFUSED!!!

Hasnain, if Allah didn't save the 20,000+ people who were the victims of the recent earthquake in Iran, it is because there is a reason for that.

It is a test which can have many meanings. I strongly believe that it is first a test to remind all of us that we, and our material world with all the best technology in it, are nothing and that Allah can wipe everything in a blink of an eye!

X-press

28-12-03, 11:07 PM

About such disasters, Allah has warned us:

Surah Al-Araf, verses 97-100:

http://quran.al-islam.com/GenGifImages/Normal/290X330-0/7/97/1.png

[97] Did the people of the towns feel secure against the coming of Our wrath by night while they were asleep?

[98] Or else did they feel secure against its coming in broad daylight while they played about (carefree)?

[99] Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!

[100] To those who inherit the earth in succession to its (previous) possessors, is it not a guiding (lesson) that, if We so willed, We could punish them (too) for their sins, and seal up their hearts so that they could not hear?

Surah Al-Touba, verse 126:

http://quran.al-islam.com/GenGifImages/Normal/290X330-0/9/126/1.png

[126] See they not that they are tried every year once or twice? Yet they turn not in repentance, and they take no heed.
{Quoted from Al islam.com}

Such scenes like earthquakes, flood disasters, fires ect..are lessons from men to take. It is a reminder that no one (not even the most powerful country) can prevent such disaster from occurring unless Allah so wills.

We should reflect and reminder that the same could happened to us. We should always seek for Allah's help as HE is the Most powerful and at the end to Him we will return for sure.

IceTea

29-12-03, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Hasnain
[B]By sending different religion different time we see different believers now. If only Islam was sent in the first place now we would get the most people in the shade of Islam and the trouble made from religion would be minimal.

Don't forget that all religions are calling for same message but others abused Allah message and books. Finally Islam came to rescue the humanity from darkness to brightness by sending to us the best man in the universe prophet Mohammed to guide us to the right path and revealed to him the miracle of the holy Quran our book. So Allah asking all people to join the prophet Mohammed PBUH nation the nation of Islam. And also don't forget that evey child is born with the true faith of Islam.

IceTea

29-12-03, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by X-press

It is a test which can have many meanings. I strongly believe that it is first a test to remind all of us that we, and our material world with all the best technology in it, are nothing and that Allah can wipe everything in a blink of an eye![/color]

I agree with you, let us also remember the earthquake which happend in Turki and all the buildings destroyed in that area except a mosque remained untouched.!!

shamsery

30-12-03, 12:55 AM

What does it mean?

Scorpio27

30-12-03, 10:21 AM

Thanks XP IceTea,Okay I agree, but still my heart cries for the innocent victims, child and elderly people.:rolleyes:

Scorpio27

30-12-03, 10:23 AM

Almighty Allah is always hard on Muslims. What about the nonbelievers? They usually stay better then Muslims.:bang:

shamsery

30-12-03, 12:17 PM

Dear Hasnain,

You can look up but don't forget to look down.

Scorpio27

30-12-03, 12:36 PM

A pious man gave an example “You punish your child as you love them not the neighbors kids as they don’t mean that much important and loving to u”

Mr Raffee

02-01-04, 09:34 AM

I think by asking the question in the first place (which is valid enough) you are exploring a basic which I think many of us do just take as a given.

The point is, none of us can comprehend God's plan - why the good die young, why there are earthquakes, why there seems to be perpetual war and intolerance etc etc. Personal tragedies make us question everything not just our faith (though it takes the brunt of it) But the point of faith is that whatever happens, it is by HIS will. It is ours to accept.

The first Islamic story that I ever heard was of something called the bug's eye view. A bug who lived in a carpet went through life moaning about all he ever did was climb to the top of one strand in the carpet and then down the other side, occasionally stopping to eat, occasionally stopping to sleep. He asked why but could never come up with the answer. And he died in that carpet. And the tragedy was, he never knew that all the threads in the carpet that he saw as obstacles were part of the pattern of the most beautiful and intricate rug ever made.

It's been many years since I first heard this so perhaps have rendered it inaccurately, but the point is, we shouldn't waste time trying to comprehend God's mind because we are not built to do so. We should just be thankful for being part of his plan! Alhamdulilah!

Scorpio27

04-01-04, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Sly and mean
I think by asking the question in the first place (which is valid enough) you are exploring a basic which I think many of us do just take as a given.

The point is, none of us can comprehend God's plan - why the good die young, why there are earthquakes, why there seems to be perpetual war and intolerance etc etc. Personal tragedies make us question everything not just our faith (though it takes the brunt of it) But the point of faith is that whatever happens, it is by HIS will. It is ours to accept.

The first Islamic story that I ever heard was of something called the bug's eye view. A bug who lived in a carpet went through life moaning about all he ever did was climb to the top of one strand in the carpet and then down the other side, occasionally stopping to eat, occasionally stopping to sleep. He asked why but could never come up with the answer. And he died in that carpet. And the tragedy was, he never knew that all the threads in the carpet that he saw as obstacles were part of the pattern of the most beautiful and intricate rug ever made.

It's been many years since I first heard this so perhaps have rendered it inaccurately, but the point is, we shouldn't waste time trying to comprehend God's mind because we are not built to do so. We should just be thankful for being part of his plan! Alhamdulilah! Dear Sly and mean, hmmm…Thanks
He is the almighty (Allah) and we are his servants …
We have to carryon whatever he wishes without a question but we are human beings with emotion and care, love and pain…that’s why huge question arise in our mind. And we expect the best from him.

May Allah bless us.

shamsery

04-01-04, 05:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hasnain

He is the almighty (Allah) and we are his servants …

Human being are known as “Ashraful Moklukat”

Enigma

04-01-04, 06:56 PM

I wouldn't say God created evil or he created love but he created CHOICE, "free will" .

And one of God's attributes is omniscience, God knew that in a world with choice, there would be much evil, to choose not to love is evil by definition. However, there would also be the capacity for real love. Suffering and death are a side effect of evil, and God says that this side effect is only for a time.... whereas He is forever, as is love.

IceTea

04-01-04, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Hasnain
Almighty Allah is always hard on Muslims. What about the nonbelievers? They usually stay better then Muslims.:bang:

Could be that this life is the heaven for the nonbelievers. Allah gave them everything they need to be happy and at the same time to think that there is a power behind everything in this universe and they are given the time to evaluate themselves but if they choose to stay in the darkness and enjoy this life then latter they will pay the price hard in the hereafter.

Scorpio27

05-01-04, 07:34 AM

Thank you IceTea , you explained more clearly. Hope to see further comments from rest of the members.:angel:

IceTea

05-01-04, 08:46 PM

You are welcome brother Hasanain, if you have any question don't hesitate to raise it ;).

shamsery

06-01-04, 08:11 PM

Yes, you can Hasnain.

Wanderer

09-01-04, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Hasnain
The world wouldn't be so turbulent. :bang: :help:

How do you figure ?

Wouldn't you expect that the religion of these created people would start to inherit modifications - like between Sunni and Shiite and that would eventually bring about conflict ?

Look at all of the facets (sects) of Islam, of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

And I see no reason to discount the idea that at one time, all humans looked to be of one "race" anyway.

Yet the turbulance is here.

Enigma

11-01-04, 03:39 AM

"If Allah willed He would have made you one nation, but that He may test you in what He has given you." (5:48)

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"Evil has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression evil deeds) that Allah may make them taste a part of that which they have done in order that they may return." (30:41)

Scorpio27

11-01-04, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Wanderer
How do you figure ?

Wouldn't you expect that the religion of these created people would start to inherit modifications - like between Sunni and Shiite and that would eventually bring about conflict ?

Look at all of the facets (sects) of Islam, of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

And I see no reason to discount the idea that at one time, all humans looked to be of one "race" anyway.

Yet the turbulance is here.
What I believe that if all people were in the same boat, there wouldn’t be so much trouble.

shamsery

11-01-04, 06:58 PM

Hasnain,
Your reply is there in Enigma post in a brief.
Think and think over it.

Scorpio27

12-01-04, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Enigma
"If Allah willed He would have made you one nation, but that He may test you in what He has given you." (5:48)

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"Evil has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression evil deeds) that Allah may make them taste a part of that which they have done in order that they may return." (30:41) Hmm, so no benefit of complaining … :rolleyes: