This goes for All Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc.(except muslims)

Give me all or atleast three reasons why you cannot embrace Islam or convert to it.

It is the same as every other religion!!

Hmmm, I was putting together an answer to this when I realized that I was explaining why I don't believe in ANY traditional religion - when what you are looking for is why someone would choose one of the others but not Islam.

So I'll keep my mouth shut and await answers from others :)

Originally posted by Seham
It is the same as every other religion!!

Jesus is a god for christians - He is human and can be seen.

Buddha can be seen

Ganesh or Krishna can be seen

Allah cannot be seen...So please dont say its the same for every religion.

AbsAllah cannot be seen...Can you see Gods word? Can you see Gods creations? You say you can and do. Why do you say you cannot see God?

Originally posted by jack
AbsCan you see Gods word? Can you see Gods creations? You say you can and do. Why do you say you cannot see God?

God words, creations proves the existance of God. And it's different from looking at Allah himself.

Give me all or atleast three reasons why you cannot embrace Islam or convert to it.
1. It condones and embraces slavery per the Quran.
2. It does not give women equal rights. When you get down to the fine print it makes man a ruler over women. This may have been reasonable in the 6th century, but it's not applicable in the 21st century.
3. Mostly because it's really as much or more a political doctrine than a religion. Simply a plan to rule society.

I don't need anymore than that to tell me it's not for me.

Give me all or atleast three reasons why you cannot embrace Islam or convert to it.

~ Islam is too rigid for any freedom-loving person.
~ I, personally, was given the freedom to choose Islam, but didn't choose to ... because of all what's happening around the world. (A man's deeds do not blacken a religion, but when too many men follow something 'wrong', the religion gets a bit tarred)
~ I do not follow any one particular religion. I believe in a single Supernatural power ... not necessarily called Allah.

Originally posted by jack
AbsCan you see Gods word? Can you see Gods creations? You say you can and do. Why do you say you cannot see God?

as Ice-tea said, looking at allah's creations is different than looking at HIM.


Originally posted by jack
1. It condones and embraces slavery per the Quran.
2. It does not give women equal rights. When you get down to the fine print it makes man a ruler over women. This may have been reasonable in the 6th century, but it's not applicable in the 21st century.
3. Mostly because it's really as much or more a political doctrine than a religion. Simply a plan to rule society.

I don't need anymore than that to tell me it's not for me.

1. I do not see slavery in any Islamic country except the so called "Jihad" countries. I myself despise such muslims.

2. Would you like to see your wife going to parties while you sit home and feed your baby? My point is women have equal rights as men and islam makes sure men and women live in harmony in a family environment.

3. Im sure you dont believe in what you said there....otherwise George Bush wouldnt be your leader.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
Give me all or atleast three reasons why you cannot embrace Islam or convert to it.

~ Islam is too rigid for any freedom-loving person.
~ I, personally, was given the freedom to choose Islam, but didn't choose to ... because of all what's happening around the world. (A man's deeds do not blacken a religion, but when too many men follow something 'wrong', the religion gets a bit tarred)
~ I do not follow any one particular religion. I believe in a single Supernatural power ... not necessarily called Allah.

1. Thats what you have seen because of what they show you in telvision. You follow the media instead of trying to find out the truth. Im a freedom loving person and Islam has not proven to be rigid for me.

2. Open your eyes and look around... Dont follow the news but see whats behind the truth. If you judge something just by seeing whats happening around the world then you're naive my friend.

Originally posted by Abs
1. Thats what you have seen because of what they show you in telvision. You follow the media instead of trying to find out the truth. Im a freedom loving person and Islam has not proven to be rigid for me.


Abs, Shinoda grew up in Oman. He did not base his opinion on American television, but on daily experience!

But your assumptions reveal much about your prejudices :rolleyes:

You asked ... I answered ... You don't like the answers ... That's fine.

1. I do not see slavery in any Islamic country except the so called "Jihad" countries. I myself despise such muslims.

Slavery is always an option per the Quran. It's the word of God? I will never accept that God accepted slavery at anytime in history.

2. Would you like to see your wife going to parties while you sit home and feed your baby? My point is women have equal rights as men and islam makes sure men and women live in harmony in a family environment.

Women do not have equal rights per the Quran. They have the rights that men afford them.

3. Im sure you dont believe in what you said there....otherwise George Bush wouldnt be your leader.

I didn't vote for GW and wont for for him in 2004.

And also has nothing to do with the Islamic political doctrine.

Originally posted by jack
Slavery is always an option per the Quran. It's the word of God?

Well, He condoned slavery in the Old Testament, and failed several times to condemn it in the New Testament, so why do you expect Him to change His mind in the Quran? :D

Originally posted by MoonChild
Well, He condoned slavery in the Old Testament, and failed several times to condemn it in the New Testament, so why do you expect Him to change His mind in the Quran? :D Yes ... that is a problem. He does ... he don't ... only in certain circumstances ...

All I can say is that the I choose to believe in a God that would never condone slavery.

me too ... thus... my avatar ;)

what saddens me is that such thread are opend by people who know nothing abt they religion . :bang:

1. Thats what you have seen because of what they show you in telvision. You follow the media instead of trying to find out the truth. Im a freedom loving person and Islam has not proven to be rigid for me.

I rarely follow what I see on tv. If I did, I would have been far from dead by now ;)

Islam, like all other religions, is a peace loving religion. There is no such religion which explicitly promoted terrorism. But, if you go by numbers ... Muslims have outdone most other religious-terrorists of the 21st century, by leaps and bounds. Numbers and statistics, do not un-fold through a miracle.

2. Open your eyes and look around... Dont follow the news but see whats behind the truth. If you judge something just by seeing whats happening around the world then you're naive my friend.

~ The MSU (Muslim Student Organization) of my school accepts non-Muslim members into their group. I am one such member.

~ As Moonie mentioned, I spent nearly 15 years of my childhood at Salalah, Oman.

~ 2 of my best friends are Allah-fearing/peace-loving Muslims.

You think I blindly follow what I see on television?

Originally posted by jack



Slavery is always an option per the Quran. It's the word of God? I will never accept that God accepted slavery at anytime in history.


Allah will judge people according to their work and deeds in this life and not according to their color, type, etc. Thats is the important thing all people are equal. So jack it's silly to take this as an issue where as you know the criteria that Allah will use to judge people in the hereafter. After all this life is a temporary one and the important thing is after this life not now.


Originally posted by jack

Women do not have equal rights per the Quran. They have the rights that men afford them.


Allah created women and men for areason and each of them has a set of responsibilities according to their creation. Each of them provided with the rights needed to let them continue this life and work for the hereafter. So it's not right to say women only get the rights men afford them, they have there own rights which makes them happy all the time same as men. At the end men and women complete each other and you can make a survey to check if muslim women happy and satisfied about their rights or not. Women used to be treated as a toy or a pice of furnture before Islam and when of them got a new female child they used to burry her alive from the shame. Islam came and took women out of this darkness and treated them as humans not animals and gave them their rights as a human being.


jack, I can see your reasons are weak and not based on solid background it's all related to what the enimies of Islam think about muslims.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP


~ Islam is too rigid for any freedom-loving person.


Why do you think too rigid? Give us some examples?

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
[b]

~ I, personally, [b]was given the freedom to choose Islam, but didn't choose to ... because of all what's happening around the world. (A man's deeds do not blacken a religion, but when too many men follow something 'wrong', the religion gets a bit tarred)


How can you judge a religion based on few exceptions and based on what could be wrong practice of a religion? You need to look at the system itself first and then look at the people and compare.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP


~ I do not follow any one particular religion. I believe in a single [b]Supernatural power ... not necessarily called Allah.

Did you aske yourself once who created this universe with all what is in it and who created you and who created the nature itself which you believe to be your God.

Simply said, it fails to feed my soul. I see too much violence in all the "Big 3". Too much judgement, very little acceptance. Too much willingness to kill for change. Cannot allow people to live in peace. I can go on.

Ice Tea ... no offence, but I personally consider it as a time waste discussing religion issues with you.

No offence once again; I like to get right to the point.

So I pass ...

Originally posted by Abs
This goes for All Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc.(except muslims)

Give me all or atleast three reasons why you cannot embrace Islam or convert to it.

Because Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life. That's already 3 big reasons. There is no other way but Him. All else, including Islam I might add, is false.

All else, including Islam I might add, is false.

Not necessarily.

Read more on Hinduism, Buddhism with an open mind and you may start believing in a few principles.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
Not necessarily.

Read more on Hinduism, Buddhism with an open mind and you may start believing in a few principles.

Actually, you do have a point. I am just getting back at some people with no life here who make absolutes, see how it feels to be on the other side of the barrel. :D But yes, I do know much abou Buddhism and Hinduism, and they have much to teach as well.

IceTeajack, I can see your reasons are weak and not based on solid background it's all related to what the enimies of Islam think about muslims.My "reasons" come straight from Quranic verses. If you feel they are weak, so be it. I would think that would be solid enough. You know the verses I'm speaking of, I don't have to quote them.

About being against Islam. I am not advocating for Islam or against Islam. I read the verses and understand what they mean. Simple as that ...... end of story ;)

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
Ice Tea ... no offence, but I personally consider it as a time waste discussing religion issues with you.

No offence once again; I like to get right to the point.

So I pass ...

It's up to you if you want to remain lost, no offence ..

Originally posted by jack
IceTeaMy "reasons" come straight from Quranic verses. If you feel they are weak, so be it. I would think that would be solid enough. You know the verses I'm speaking of, I don't have to quote them.

About being against Islam. I am not advocating for Islam or against Islam. I read the verses and understand what they mean. Simple as that ...... end of story ;)

I've replied to your claims, if you have another reasons bring it ;)

abbos

are you a muslim to believe in such eaningless signture



Losing is natures way of saying YOU SUCK!!

maybe cuz you suck !!!!!

Originally posted by Stand Ablazed
abbos

are you a muslim to believe in such eaningless signture



Losing is natures way of saying YOU SUCK!!

maybe cuz you suck !!!!!

I'll just ignore you....keep bringing your stupid posts..It just enlightens my thread.:)

And yeah...YOU SUCK.BIG TIME.

I am confused are you a muslim ??!!! becasue from your signature i see that you believe in other power than your god . do you believe that nature controls your faith??!!! i have read in Islam that muslims only good ones are always tested with bad things so allah can see if they will accept their faith or not , but now you are saying that people who are tested are losers i am lost :lost: