Is plucking eyebrows or re-shaping them forbidden in Islam..??

Plucking eye brows is unlawful because of a hadith
which says that Allah curses the one who plucks her eyebrows or other women's.

Fom Al-Bukhari:

"Allah has cursed those women who practice tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed,and those who remove their face hairs,and those who create space between their teeth artificially to look beautiful,and such women as change the features created by Allah"

In arabic:


"La3an Allah alnami9a we al mutanami9a."


Nam9 is the word for eyebrow plucking.

jazaki allah alf khair enigma

she is right it haram .. and allahu ya3lam

ya,too bad :weep:

Originally posted by MeSmEriZeD
Is plucking eyebrows or re-shaping them forbidden in Islam..?? Dang....are you allowed to do anything that "YOU" think enhances your appearance?

But muslim women still pluck, reshape their eyebrows and other things that would enhance their beauty. Always been attracted to bad girls.....

Tell the truth X-P.... you have never plucked or reshaped your eyebrows? I'm not just picking on you. You are one of the few that have put a pic.

It this interest you, floret opened a similar topic last Nov.'02 called: Women & Eyebrows (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9131&highlight=eyebrows) where there are about 50 replies.

once an islamic teacher told me that takin out the zawa2d is not haram ... like if u have hairy unpleasnt eyebrows!!! u can just fix them a little ... woo allah a3lam!!

Yes, it is. Cleaning your eyebrows from extra hairs is opposing (some people say it’s alright, others say it’s taboo), but re-shaping them is forbidden in Islam.

This is the information that I got:

"Mullah Ali Qari (R.A) has commentated that plucking of the facial hair is haraam (prohibited) for a woman with the exception of moustache or beard hairs, if any woman is unfortunate enough to be troubled by these. (Mirqaat Vol.8 Pg.295; Ashrafiyyah).

However, if the eyebrows have become so dense that it is unseemly for a woman and incites abhorrence in her husband, it is permissible to trim it to a more appropriate and normal size. (Ahsanul Fataawa Vol.8 pg.76; Zakariyya Book Depot)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

Again something additional:


It is not permissible for females to pluck their eyebrows. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) cursed a Mutanammisa (a female who seeks to remove her eyebrows).

A female may remove the hair from her upper lips, legs and arms.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

thanx for your replies..

but 9ara7ataan i don't think cleaning eyebrows is 7araam..re-shaping them is prohibited...but cleaning them..hmm i dont think itz 7araam..3ad allahu ya3laam..!!

you won't change their shape by cleaning them..in other words your face features won't be changed..that's why i don't think it's 7araam..

MeSmEriZeD, you thinking that it is not haram is your own right and it is up to you to continue to unpluck your eyebrows or not.

However, if in islam it is declared as "not permissible", you have to accept this declaration without arguing.

You might not know now the reason why it is not allowed, but as it says: "Allah knows best!"

well have herad a story of a woman who went to pluck her eyebrows and she did both of them but there was a hair that the plucker couldnt pluck it but the woman isisted to be removed and once it was removed she fell dead ...... sub7anah ALLAH .


how true this story is dont know

bss as u said "allah knows best" so that means there is nothing 100% akeed right?!

it is Haram it clear as day in the 7adith.. what Xpress meant by "Allah knows best" is Allahu a3lam

Originally posted by nana
well have herad a story of a woman who went to pluck her eyebrows and she did both of them but there was a hair that the plucker couldnt pluck it but the woman isisted to be removed and once it was removed she fell dead ...... sub7anah ALLAH .


how true this story is dont know
I heard this too and i was like :tiered: :eyes:
But having un shaped eyebrows is waa3 :weep:
Oh well maybe that was befor , but now everybody is doing i mean EVERY SINGLE girl !!

Capri .. beleive me not every single girl ;)

and also, I really find those who dont pluck have a special look on them .. iniccoent look or what I dont know .. I love it.

Originally posted by BaBeLiCiOuS
bss as u said "allah knows best" so that means there is nothing 100% akeed right?!

That is said after saying any Islamic ruling. Even scholars say it.


It is 100% akeed because the hadeeth is 100% 9a7ee7 ;)

Oh well maybe that was befor , but now everybody is doing i mean EVERY SINGLE girl !!

Plenty don't! But almost all married women do :tiered:

Originally posted by Enigma




Plenty don't! But almost all married women do :tiered:

The husband should have a word about this and don't let his wife do whatever she wants. At the end of the day she is suppose to do it for her husband and not for strangers.

i heard pluckin eyebrows is halal in some mathahib like shee3a..i dunno whether this is true or not.. :confused:

Originally posted by Enigma
Plenty don't! But almost all married women do :tiered: Hmmm thats true , they'll go like your still young when your getting married you can do that :rolleyes:

Originally posted by MeSmEriZeD
i heard pluckin eyebrows is halal in some mathahib like shee3a..i dunno whether this is true or not.. :confused:


I've heard that too, but the hadeeth is 9a7ee7. No matter what mathhab you are it shouldn't matter.

The function of the eybrows are to protect you special eyes from any harmful substances - solvents etc.

I don’t like plucking personally. But I donno whether its haram or not. I just believe that what advised and ordered in Quran not by any scholar. If plucking is haram what about the plastic surgeries now a days for fixing born mal-shapes for beautification?:confused:

Originally posted by MeSmEriZeD
i heard pluckin eyebrows is halal in some mathahib like shee3a..i dunno whether this is true or not.. :confused:

That's true! There's nothing wrong with doing that! But it's not only the shee3a but I've heard that the Sunna say this too, though I'm not sure about them, but I'm totally sure about the shee3a, because I'm one, and women are allowed to clean and pluck their eye brows!

Originally posted by Dr N
That's true! There's nothing wrong with doing that! But it's not only the shee3a but I've heard that the Sunna say this too, though I'm not sure about them, but I'm totally sure about the shee3a, because I'm one, and women are allowed to clean and pluck their eye brows!

wow.. i always knew the shi3i mathab was special. lol , but seriously.. i dont understand why plucking isnt allowed , i mean at least cleaning them , instead of leaving them all bushy and ugly.. :tiered: , thats just too much in my opinion.

WHY is it haram??

1. Waste of time to sit and pull tiny hairs from your face.

2. It's painful; anyone who has tried it knows how it hurts and makes your eyes water (also used to make me sneeze).

3. What are you trying to achieve? Beauty/attractiveness? Which only gets you more attention from the male population. Check out any girl who plucks before and after; I'm 100% sure any guy will say she looks better after.

4.It changes the look of your face; look at the difference between the before & after. And it's not a simple change like removing the hairs above your lip... thus you are also majorly changing Allah's creation of you into something cosmeticaly superficial looking.

Originally posted by Enigma
WHY is it haram??
2. It's painful; anyone who has tried it knows how it hurts and makes your eyes water (also used to make me sneeze).


IRRELEVENT - I'm sure it's less painful to pluck eyebrows than to pluck armpit and pubic hair, which is mandatory.

Originally posted by MoonChild
IRRELEVENT - I'm sure it's less painful to pluck eyebrows than to pluck armpit and pubic hair, which is mandatory.

Moonchild it is NOT mandatory to PLUCK armpit/pubic hair!!! :eyes: :duh:


Any way is permitted as long as it takes that hair out; and from experience shaving is way way way way less painful than eyebrow plucking. You don't even feel it!

Originally posted by Enigma
Moonchild it is NOT mandatory to PLUCK armpit/pubic hair!!! :eyes: :duh:


There was a spirited discussion on this topic not too long ago on the Sabla, I remembered somewhat incorrectly that the source documents say plucking of only armpit hair, shaving is OK for pubic hair - this is what I was referring to though...

“The fitrah is five things: circumcision, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs and shaving the pubic hairs.” (Reported by both Al-Bukhari and Muslim).

So something that is "fitrah" isn't mandatory?

mmoooni .. tyhe fitrah is that that hair should be out .. whatever way it is .. wether wax, shaving, plucking ........

Fitra means : 'from the acts of nature'.

It is mandantory to REMOVE it but not to pluck!

Does anyone have the arabic translation to this?

It doesn't hurt that much, I can assure you that.

It's not a matter of trying to attract anyone, it's just hygiene, makes your face look cleaner, it doesnt' change the way you look.

Plus, it's better to have a clean face than to put a lot of make up, it's natural beauty, it's the same as when you wax your arms and legs or remove the hair around the lips, it's all a matter of cleaning. That's how I see it.

Dr N ..

even sunni sect confirms that plucking Eyebrows is haram.

what refernce Shi3a are refering to in the ruling of eyebrows?

I don't know what the reference is but I'll try and find out.

Dr N, when there is a clear Hadith says it's haram then why the shi3a and yourself say it's halal. Unless shi3a don't approve profet Mohammed PBUH sayings and just refrence to the holy Quran.

Icey, some respect please!:rolleyes:

Please keep in mind that all sects would differ on some issue, even the sunni themselves do have a few differences, so why hold one hadith and make a big issue out of it?

The thing is, just like the Sunni people work and come out with a fatwa, we do the same thing, and there are a few hadiths that we find to be very weak, so we don't take them. Sometimes you might agree on something, but if we see that the Quran contradicts it, we don't take it. Just like the other sects, we have Mufti's working, and studying and they give us our fatwa. And we do go by the Hadith, but we look at who told the Hadith, if it's someone whom you can really trust, there are a lot of criterias when it comes to accepting a Hadith.

And anyway, like I said before, it's common sense, "In Allah jamilon yo7ib al Jamal", God loves beauty, and women prefer to look good, it's their nature, think of a woman who has a lot of facial hair, she'd be living in a conflict, not knowing what to do, why not remove the facial hair to look good, it's natural beauty, it's much better than all the make up that a lot would prefer in my opinion! You're not changing God's will, not at all!

Sorry if I drifted away from the topic a bit!

Originally posted by IceTea
Unless shi3a don't approve profet Mohammed PBUH sayings and just refrence to the holy Quran.

wow wow there ice-t! mind it abit plz..!:mad:

i totally agree with Dr N..its natural beauty,,n from the way i see it cleaning eyebrows is exactly like removing hair from arms n legs..so why is removing hair from arms n legs allowed while cleaning eyebrows is forbidden?!
anyhow,,apart from my veiw point..in our sect we have to make sure that the source of the Hadith can be trusted,,we cant just believe or accept any Hadith..

I am with you Dr N that every sect have thier own sources .. and thier Scholars refer to them when issuing a fatwa.

regarding arms and legs hair, mesmirized .. no one is supposed to see those parts except your husband .. while in eyebrows, if you dont beleive in Niqab, everyone is seeing it

The reference of the hadith is very reliable in Sunni and Ibadhi mathahab.

Originally posted by Dr N
Icey, some respect please!:rolleyes:


Dr n, and silver angel, the respect there don't worry ;).

Originally posted by Dr N

Please keep in mind that all sects would differ on some issue, even the sunni themselves do have a few differences, so why hold one hadith and make a big issue out of it?


Yes there are some differences with the Islamic sects. But the differences are only with issues that has no evidences either from the Quran or Hadith. But the issue of plucking eyebrows there is a true Hadith about it, so I wonder why shi3a say this Hadith is not true and weak, etc.

Originally posted by Dr N

The thing is, just like the Sunni people work and come out with a fatwa, we do the same thing, and there are a few hadiths that we find to be very weak, so we don't take them. Sometimes you might agree on something, but if we see that the Quran contradicts it, we don't take it. Just like the other sects, we have Mufti's working, and studying and they give us our fatwa. And we do go by the Hadith, but we look at who told the Hadith, if it's someone whom you can really trust, there are a lot of criterias when it comes to accepting a Hadith.


You should know one thing there is no contradiction between the Quran and the prophet sayings.

Originally posted by Dr N

And anyway, like I said before, it's common sense, "In Allah jamilon yo7ib al Jamal", God loves beauty, and women prefer to look good, it's their nature, think of a woman who has a lot of facial hair, she'd be living in a conflict, not knowing what to do, why not remove the facial hair to look good, it's natural beauty, it's much better than all the make up that a lot would prefer in my opinion! You're not changing God's will, not at all!



God is beautiful and loves beauty Yes, but Allah created human in a good picture and they should not change their looks (Because it will mean that they are not happy the way Allah created them) and follow what the Satan tell them to do.

What's the source for this hadith? 9a7eeh bu'7ari?

If so then I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be considered a reliable source!

Icey, I can assure you that some women who don't clean their eyebrows attract people more, if you know what I mean! And please, it has nothing to do with the way God created us, you DON'T change anything by cleaning. It's the same with waxing, why remove the hair then, it would be changing the way God created you, same situation icey!

When you say that the Quran and Hadith are both the same, keep in mind that it has to be a Hadith that was a 100% correct. Don't forget that many Hadiths are considrerd weak because of many reasons, so you can't just accept any Hadith and claim that it's true. It's the same for everyone!

Alright.

This may sound irrelevant to the topic but it is related.

Dr.N what do shee3a think of tatoos ?

Plucking eyebrows...emmm

thought it is halal for everybody, since i see most Omanies plucking them EVEN men. Does it mean most Omanies are shie3a?

i have been to a nearby barber shop and i saw Omani males removing their facial hair by threads.

removing facial hair is alright ( dont know for men) but the eyebrows is whats haram!!

alot of people sinning doesnt mean its halal :)

Originally posted by IneXorabLe
Plucking eyebrows...emmm

thought it is halal for everybody, since i see most Omanies plucking them EVEN men. Does it mean most Omanies are shie3a?

i have been to a nearby barber shop and i saw Omani males removing their facial hair by threads.


am afraid ur wrong , most omanies ! don't live by ur home !


facial hair as in beard u mean ?!

i hear that taking out the hair below the eyebrow is not foebidden

correct me if im wrong

CLEANING is not 7aram.... what is haram is the shaping of the brow.

Hairs below the eyebrow would be considered as cleaning as it has nothing to do with the shape and is only extra hairs.

Allaho A3lam

Originally posted by Enigma
CLEANING is not 7aram.... what is haram is the shaping of the brow.

Hairs below the eyebrow would be considered as cleaning as it has nothing to do with the shape and is only extra hairs.

Allaho A3lam

I'm confused.. a lot of omani women and girls use the term "cleaning" when both cleaning and reshaping mean plucking hair from ur eyebrows.. and I don't see a difference .. especially when it was quoted from a hadeeth above "those who remove their face hairs,.." isn't re-shaping and cleaning both removing facial hairs?

lot of omani women and girls use the term "cleaning" when both cleaning and reshaping mean plucking hair from ur eyebrows

Cleaning means taking out the hairs that are away from the brows but not the brow itself.

"those who remove their face hairs,.."

Not facial hair but the hair of the brow. If it was facial hair then women wouldn't be taking out the hair above their lips!

check this girls:

http://www.almajara.com/article.php?sid=3268

but, what assure u that it is an eyebrow hair or not!! its very difficult to diffrenciate .. so u better be in the safe side I guess.

Allah must sure be busy if he is keeping track of all this REALLY IMORTANT StUFF like your excess hair.

I didn't mean facial hair.. i meant face hairs although they have the same meaning in the english language.. i guess when it's translated to arabic it must mean eyebrow hairs? .. n e wayz... thanx Arabian Princess for the site... it became a bit clearer but it is hard to differentiate between the two...

I said I was gonna read this topic...I didn't intend to add anything to what's already been said but I couldn't resist.

I must say I'm amazed at the number of ppl who make lame excuses to justify the wrong that they're doing. We all have some habits that we should stop (for religious reasons) but find it hard to. That's kinda understandable. But the least we could do is acknowledge our mistakes and maybe try to correct them. But it's not right to be doing something that's been proven in black and white to be haram and say 'but I don't think it's haram'.

Originally posted by Dr N
it doesnt' change the way you look.

It certainly does. Just ask Liz Hurley's beautician. Forget muslims for now. All of Hollywood's make-up artists will tell you that plucking your eyebrows is as good as having a mini facelift. It definitely changes the way you look.


Originally posted by Dr N
And anyway, like I said before, it's common sense, "In Allah jamilon yo7ib al Jamal", God loves beauty, and women prefer to look good, it's their nature, think of a woman who has a lot of facial hair, she'd be living in a conflict, not knowing what to do, why not remove the facial hair to look good, it's natural beauty, it's much better than all the make up that a lot would prefer in my opinion! You're not changing God's will, not at all!

I can see the logic behind allowing a woman with extremely bushy eyebrows to pluck them but very few women actually have eyebrows that look that bad. Some older women (in their 50s and 60s) end up with really bushy eyebrows but they get them trimmed (as in the length of each individual hair) and they look decent. The majority of women don't have eyebrows that bushy. Women in their nature aren't 100% satisfied with the way they look. If they had Kylie's backside they'll think their ***** is too fat, if they had J.Lo's body they'll think their chest is too flat and even if they had perfectly-shaped eyebrows they'll think there's room for improvement.

Originally posted by MeSmEriZeD
the way i see it cleaning eyebrows is exactly like removing hair from arms n legs..so why is removing hair from arms n legs allowed while cleaning eyebrows is forbidden?!

Ok...when you remove the hairs from your arms and legs how many do you remove? 100? 500?? 1000 or more?? But when you pluck your eyebrows how many hairs are removed? The hairs on our arms and legs are removed for hygienic reasons but how do the 10 hairs that are removed from eyebrows make you any cleaner??!!! Besides, your arms and legs are supposed to be hidden from men foreign to you (ya3ni who are not ma7ram) but your face is not. Well at least you have the choice when it comes to your face.

Originally posted by Angel Eyes
I'm confused.. a lot of omani women and girls use the term "cleaning" when both cleaning and reshaping mean plucking hair from ur eyebrows.. and I don't see a difference .. especially when it was quoted from a hadeeth above "those who remove their face hairs,.." isn't re-shaping and cleaning both removing facial hairs?

EXACTLY! :app: You say tom-AY-toes, I say tom-AH-toes. Same $hit different day.

I really wish ppl would start saying 'yes it's haram but I choose to do it anyway'. No one's perfect. And many of us still do things that are blatantly haram anyway so what are we hiding from? Ppl and how they're gonna judge us?? There's no escaping God for God's sake!!

Ok...I'm gonna go to bed now. My adrenaline levels have almost stabilised. :duh:

The hairs on our arms and legs are removed for hygienic reasons

With no offense meant, how does removing hair from your arms and legs promote hygene ?

Originally posted by sanwin25
With no offense meant, how does removing hair from your arms and legs promote hygene ?

To be very honest...i really don't know!! I suppose a lotta hair on a woman's arms and legs just looks dirty but I myself don't see how removing them can make anyone THAT much cleaner. A lot of us have just grown up with this thing in our heads that tells us that letting the hairs on our arms and legs grow to 3 inches :barf: is dirty. I don't have a problem with waxing regularly so I was never really bothered to ask why we 'have' to do it. Maybe someone else can answer this question better.

ok, i know that plucking or threading eyebrows is haram because it "sometimes" changes how the lady looks like..but what about the guys? all these weird styles with their facial hair? isnt that also harram? It changes the way they look ba3ad...
Etc...the goati however its spelt..(saksooka) It CHANGES the guy's look..so why isnt that harram? Or is it?

Originally posted by }My Immortal{
.the goati however its spelt..(saksooka) It CHANGES the guy's look..so why isnt that harram? Or is it?

a guy is also asked to "3uf" the beared meaning not shave it ..
I would say its also the same but it was mentioned that the grl who pluck her eyebrow is cursed .. but not someone who shaves his beared!

I know it says that..and because its prt of our religion im not arguing against it..but why are woman cursed for that and not the men for theyre beard? Plucking eyeborws is harram because it changes how the woman looks like and so does the beard thingy so y arnt men cursed?!

I cant give u a definate answer ..

When Allah order us for something .. there must be a reason .. it might not be clear to us .. but if we beleive in Allah's wisdom we should search for those reason ..

in the hadith, it wasnt mentioned that women are not allowed to pluck thier eyebrows coz it changes the look only .. its one of the logics scholars gave to it .. so they might be wrong!

Originally posted by }My Immortal{
I know it says that..and because its prt of our religion im not arguing against it..but why are woman cursed for that and not the men for theyre beard? Plucking eyeborws is harram because it changes how the woman looks like and so does the beard thingy so y arnt men cursed?!

You can also say that women who refuse their husbands at bed also cursed until the morning so why men not cursed. Everything for a reason so we shoudn't complain about Allah and prophet rules:

Allah say in the Quran:


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And do not covet that by which Allah has made some of you excel others; men shall have the benefit of what they earn and women shall have the benefit of what they earn; and ask Allah of His grace; surely Allah knows all things.

with all do respect towards shi3a's..

but i heard that they dont believe in that hadeeth that says plucking ur eyebrows is haram?:lost:

Originally posted by Scarlet
with all do respect towards shi3a's..

but i heard that they dont believe in that hadeeth that says plucking ur eyebrows is haram?:lost:

Maybe dr n can tell us more about it.

just a question? is this thread about Shi3a and what they believe in or about pulking eyebrows?

just want to make sure :rolleyes: :inno:

Originally posted by Blood Rose
just a question? is this thread about Shi3a and what they believe in or about pulking eyebrows?

just want to make sure :rolleyes: :inno:

This thread is general I believe but some people they say shi3a don't believe in that famous hadith, so we need a confirmation from sabla shi3a members?

why wouldnt we believe in that hadeeth? :os

Originally posted by NaBHaN
why wouldnt we believe in that hadeeth? :os

I checked the 1st page of this thread and found this:

Originally posted by MeSmEriZeD
i heard pluckin eyebrows is halal in some mathahib like shee3a..i dunno whether this is true or not.. :confused:

Originally posted by Dr N
That's true! There's nothing wrong with doing that! But it's not only the shee3a but I've heard that the Sunna say this too, though I'm not sure about them, but I'm totally sure about the shee3a, because I'm one, and women are allowed to clean and pluck their eye brows!

Originally posted by NaBHaN
wow.. i always knew the shi3i mathab was special. lol , but seriously.. i dont understand why plucking isnt allowed , i mean at least cleaning them , instead of leaving them all bushy and ugly.. :tiered: , thats just too much in my opinion.

So dr n saying shee3a consider it halal :rolleyes:

I happen to think that the shee3a believe that 'cleaning' their eyebrows is ok. not necessarily 'plucking'. so basically removing the extra hair from the sides should be alright..

and ANYWAYS.. instead of ya'll jumping on the shee3a.. cause they pluck.. focus on the other non shee3i girls who all pluck their eyebrows.

at least the shee3a are sticking to what they believe in. :)

Originally posted by NaBHaN

at least the shee3a are sticking to what they believe in. :)

Yeah right ;), but by breaking Allah rules.

Originally posted by IceTea
Yeah right ;), but by breaking Allah rules.

they are doing it cause they dont believe they're breaking allah's rules. at least thats better than KNOWING that its 7aram yet .. still doing it .. like many many non shi3i girls out there.

now thats what i would call bad!

:)

Originally posted by NaBHaN
they are doing it cause they dont believe they're breaking allah's rules. at least thats better than KNOWING that its 7aram yet .. still doing it .. like many many non shi3i girls out there.

now thats what i would call bad!

:)

Nabhan not believing it is much worse compared to who believe in it but do it, because it means ignoring the prophet sunnah which is the 2nd source of Islam after the Quran. It's like a muslim who believe in drinking alcohol is halal!

Originally posted by IceTea
Nabhan not believing it is much worse compared to who believe in it but do it, because it means ignoring the prophet sunnah which is the 2nd source of Islam after the Quran. It's like a muslim who believe in drinking alcohol is halal!

how can u compare drinking alcohol to plucking eyebrows. :os

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anyways.. cleaning it does no harm to ANYONE. why should it be 7aram?

Originally posted by NaBHaN
how can u compare drinking alcohol to plucking eyebrows. :os

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Because both are haram.


anyways.. cleaning it does no harm to ANYONE. why should it be 7aram?

The person who commit adultry (zina) also not harming anyone, so why should it be 7aram?

Originally posted by IceTea




The person who commit adultry (zina) also not harming anyone, so why should it be 7aram? [/B]

ROFL. clearly u dont know what u're talking about to compare plucking to adultry. adultry could result in the woman getting pregnant , or STD diseases and many more problems.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
ROFL. clearly u dont know what u're talking about to compare plucking to adultry. adultry could result in the woman getting pregnant , or STD diseases and many more problems.

They can use protection.

eerrmm..NaBHaN..i dont mean to be rude..but isnt what ur doing now "Getting Off Topic???"

i asked about shee3a's coz the head mistress at my school is iraqi and she's shee3ia..so once she saw the hadeeth written on a board and stuck in the wall..so she's like : ahh we dont believe in this..:bored:

add to that..i always watch Al Mihwar channel and because it belongs to shee3a's i noticed that many of the women plucked they eyebrows and had REALLY thin eyebrows..so i was wondering..:scratch:

anyway IceTea thanx for the answer..although i didnt get it in a direct way..lol..! coz u and NaBHaN ended up having an argument coz he thought u were offending him in some sorta way..:bored:

Its a clear, authentic hadith. I don't get the Shi3a. How can you just pick which hadith's to believe in and which not to? :duh:

You either do or don't, as a whole.

And really, claiming the hadith to be false seems much worse than plucking. The first is an insult to Prophet Mohammed, at least with the latter you are only harming yourself.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
why wouldnt we believe in that hadeeth? :os
because of u do believe in it then u wouldnt say plucking is halaal ..
anyway i am no one to talk because I do clean my eyebrows and get them done..

Originally posted by Homeless

anyway i am no one to talk because I do clean my eyebrows and get them done..

:(

Originally posted by IceTea
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its the truth .. I dont want to be a hypoctire
I could swear that most ppl here get them done so I dont want t be one who talks and talks when I do it myself..

Originally posted by Homeless
its the truth .. I dont want to be a hypoctire
I could swear that most ppl here get them done so I dont want t be one who talks and talks when I do it myself..

Thanx homeless for being honest, but just think about what you are doing for a moment and remember the prophet saying.

Originally posted by IceTea
Thanx homeless for being honest, but just think about what you are doing for a moment and remember the prophet saying.



I know wht the prophet said and I do think about it and I do believe in the hadeeth but I also believe that cleaning the extra hair would b alright and I hope Iam not mal3oona for ma6rooda min ra7mat allah for that...
As I just clean and I dont shape or thin then or anything ...
Allahu a3lam

alot of pepole talk about it iam clueless in this some of them say it is haram and someof them say no problem in removeing it only if it looks too bad i mean harmful not bad in style .

my self i dont touch it at all :scary:

ok then I guess u r better off not touching it

homey iam clueless and besides iam not in to the idea becuse i have not that much eye brows so why in earth i have to play with it?

Originally posted by Enigma
WHY is it haram??

1. Waste of time to sit and pull tiny hairs from your face.

2. It's painful; anyone who has tried it knows how it hurts and makes your eyes water (also used to make me sneeze).

3. What are you trying to achieve? Beauty/attractiveness? Which only gets you more attention from the male population. Check out any girl who plucks before and after; I'm 100% sure any guy will say she looks better after.

4.It changes the look of your face; look at the difference between the before & after. And it's not a simple change like removing the hairs above your lip... thus you are also majorly changing Allah's creation of you into something cosmeticaly superficial looking.


I wouldn't say it is haram because it is painful. Men, for eg, are allowed to do whatever they want with the hair in the back of their neck. I for one, since I have loads of it, wax it off and it hurts like no other. So why would it be halal if it is done on the back of your neck but not if it is on your eyebrows?

As for the time factor, it is a part of the grooming process which makes a person looks pleasant (according to the human standards, that is), so I don't see how that is really relevant either.

As for the changes it makes, being a male, I am allowed to grow a beard or not. That is a drastic change in the look. Also, grooming and thus looking more presentable is not haram, if not even encouraged, and grooming really changes the look of a person. So I'm sorry but I don't see what exactly you are getting to.

I personally have no idea why it is haram to pluck off eyebrows, but who are we to judge though? allah a3lam

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
I cant give u a definate answer ..

When Allah order us for something .. there must be a reason .. it might not be clear to us .. but if we beleive in Allah's wisdom we should search for those reason ..

in the hadith, it wasnt mentioned that women are not allowed to pluck thier eyebrows coz it changes the look only .. its one of the logics scholars gave to it .. so they might be wrong!

I think plucking eyebrows is stigma in the same way that making yourself excessively 'pretty' is, i.e. ridiculous amounts of make up, etc. Of course, there are degrees to everything. I personally dont think doing your eyebrows is haram, although of course its up for interpretation. You have those who change their eyebrows beyond recognition, which is ridiculous, but I doubt thats haram, just not smiled upon. Then you have those who are unfortunate enough to have hideous eyebrows, what can they do?

I think 'haram' is thrown here and there excessively. Just because something isnt seem as good doesnt mean its haram. Killing is haram, drinking is haram, sodomy is haram, etc. These are all extremely harmful both to yourself and to others. Plucking your eyebrows? Sure, it may be a waste of time, but I highly doubt you will go to hell for it.

Originally posted by IceTea
They can use protection.

Obviously its much more of a social matter.

Originally posted by Pineapple Thief

I think 'haram' is thrown here and there excessively. Just because something isnt seem as good doesnt mean its haram. Killing is haram, drinking is haram, sodomy is haram, etc. These are all extremely harmful both to yourself and to others. Plucking your eyebrows? Sure, it may be a waste of time, but I highly doubt you will go to hell for it.

The holy Quran and the Prophet Hadith are the main sources of Islam. If in one of them any issue is stated as haram then no question about it, the matter is clear like a sunny day ...

And Allah say in the Quran:


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But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper.

So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment.

So as you can see it's not a personal prefrence, it's an order from Allah.

I cant read the arabic, my PC doesnt support it.

If the english is a translation, then of course, I dont deny that. But show the the ayah that says that doing your eyebrows is strictly forbidden in islam, and I will concede.

The religion is based on 2 things: the words of the quran, and common sense. Two are meant to go hand in hand. hadiths, to me, are secondary, as too often they are interepreted differently by different people.

Ultimately, religion is an intensely personal thing. Nobody can tell you what your religion is. If my views are controversial, so be it. Its how I feel.

Originally posted by Pineapple Thief

If the english is a translation, then of course, I dont deny that. But show the the ayah that says that doing your eyebrows is strictly forbidden in islam, and I will concede.


First let us agree that the Quran and the Hadith complete each other and that is what the second ayah said above "So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment". And I'm sure that not all the rulings in Islam mentioned in the Quran some of them are from the Hadith (which is inspired from Allah). With regard to doing the eyebrows there is a clear authentic hadith about it. Unless you don't take Hadith as evidence.


The religion is based on 2 things: the words of the quran, and common sense. Two are meant to go hand in hand. hadiths, to me, are secondary, as too often they are interepreted differently by different people.

So you think the common sense comes before the Hadith? How about if your common sense contradicts with the prophet sayings will you still follow your common sense?

' "So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment". '

Yes, thats a very general and broad statement, and I agree wholeheartedly.

If my common sense contradicts the hadeeth, I will read it again, check the source, and see just how reliable the hadeeth is. If I am beaten, I will accept it. If, of course, I think the hadeeth may have been misinterpreted, I will try my best to interpret it myself. And not in a way I would like to interpret it, but honestly.


I shall now bow out of all religious theads and this religious forum, because I havent come here to add more stress in my life.

Originally posted by jack
Dang....are you allowed to do anything that "YOU" think enhances your appearance?

But muslim women still pluck, reshape their eyebrows and other things that would enhance their beauty. Always been attracted to bad girls.....

Tell the truth X-P.... you have never plucked or reshaped your eyebrows? I'm not just picking on you. You are one of the few that have put a pic.
So do men.... but its like their big secret or something.....i have friends (straight) that would never admit to it but im 100% sure that they do.........their brows are still masculine though, they aren't over groomed........ooo and so do I *kaifee kwaitee* hehe :shut:

Originally posted by Enigma
WHY is it haram??

1. Waste of time to sit and pull tiny hairs from your face.

2. It's painful; anyone who has tried it knows how it hurts and makes your eyes water (also used to make me sneeze).

3. What are you trying to achieve? Beauty/attractiveness? Which only gets you more attention from the male population. Check out any girl who plucks before and after; I'm 100% sure any guy will say she looks better after.

4.It changes the look of your face; look at the difference between the before & after. And it's not a simple change like removing the hairs above your lip... thus you are also majorly changing Allah's creation of you into something cosmeticaly superficial looking.

Its not painful ! I dont feel it when i pluck the ones in the middle....but the ones on the side sting just a bit.....not really that much........ we all have to suffer for bootyliciousness