View Full Version : My doubt about Zawaj Mesyar


H-Highness
25-10-03, 03:26 PM
Yet another marriage without strings

Adverse economic circumstances are promoting the rise of a new type of marriage in Egypt that waives nearly all of the man's responsibilities or the women's rights.

Although not new to other Arab countries, the mesyar marriage was brought to the country by Egyptian men who had worked in the Gulf countries. This kind of marriage relieved them from any of the financial burdens or responsibilities of ordinary marriage.

In the mesyar (traveler) marriage, men are not obliged to spend on their wives and children according to an agreement made between the couple. The mesyar's husband is free to travel and leave his wife and children for a long time, and she cannot ask for divorce because of his disappearance. Also, he can marry another woman in another country without informing his first wife. Since it is not a registered (official) marriage, the wife and children lose all their rights if the man divorces her.

Some Egyptian men working in the Gulf countries prefer to engage in the mesyar marriage rather than live for years single. Many of them are actually already married with wives and children in their home country, but they cannot bring them.

The rise of unofficial kinds of marriage like the motaa ("pleasure" marriage bounded by a time), urfi (not registered) or mesyar are traced by sociologists to the economic condition of the country.

"Young people, who are more likely to engage in such kinds of marriage belong to families who cannot afford to help them with marriage expenses," Saniya Saleh, professor of sociology at the American University in Cairo, says.

"The unofficial marriage is an escape from economic burdens and family commitment. They do it without informing their families and they feel they are not doing something wrong because it is marriage," she added.

Saleh says she keeps advising her students, especially girls, not to be engaged in any kind of unofficial marriage since they lose their rights. Although in the urfi marriage, for example, the man can be forced by a court's decision to sponsor his children, his wife will still be suffering.

The marriage often occurs between poorer men and more financially well-off women. The men want to get married, but can't afford it, while the women fear becoming old maids.

Although it is not haram (against Islam), Muslim scholars do not advise people to be engaged in such a kind of marriage.

"The mesyar and other unofficial types of marriage don't fulfill Islam's aims of marriage, which are forming a settled family surrounded by care and love," professor of jurisprudence at Al Azhar University, Soad Ibrahim, says.

Even if a few sheikhs accept it, Ibrahim thinks the mesyar marriage is still disapproved of by the majority of scholars. In creates many social problems, especially for children who are not financially and emotionally supported by their mesyar father.

For renowned conservative Egyptian Sheikh Youssef Al Badri, a member in the High Council of Islamic Affairs currently living in Pakistan, nothing is wrong with the mesyar as long as it meets all Islamic requirements for a marriage which are the couple's agreement, the presence of the woman's agent (wakil) and two witnesses.

"Whether the man has the intention to leave his wife and move to another country, or not, it is still an Islamic marriage," Sheikh Badri told the Saudi daily Al Sharq Al Awsat.

The fatwa Committee of Al Azhar, however, does not recognize the mesyar marriage, but neither is it explicitly forbidden. Sheikh Ibrahim Muhammad, a member in the committee says it is an illegal marriage because women are not given any of the rights Islam demands from men.

"We do not approve of this marriage, and we don't recognize the marriage contract, if it exists. Also, we don't recognize the divorce," Sheikh Muhammad said.

Without the presence of a settled family, the only thing the woman marries the man for is sex. Since the man is not financially or socially committed to his mesyar wife, he can marry more than one woman, one in Italy, one in Greece, one in Qatar, he adds.

Adding to this, such a kind of marriage did not exist during the Prophet's time.

Some sheikhs, like Sheikh Gharabawi, maintains that it did exist during the Prophet's time. He believes its recent rise in Egypt is because some women in their late 20s and 30s have not yet married or had sex and this way they can get it easily and in a way they believe is legal, he said.

Saleh, the sociologist, maintains that there is another social group starting to use this marriage, the children of the idle rich. These scions of the economic elite have inattentive parents and lack social or moral principles and so they rush into such kinds of relations without thinking much about the consequences.

"The number of young women having abortions is increasing these days. I think it is all because of the new kind of marriage they rush to without being financially or socially responsible for it," she said indignantly.

More details Clicker here (http://www.metimes.com/2K/issue2000-14/women/yet_another_marriage.htm)
************************************************** **


After reading the above article....I'm really surprise why this kind of marriage is found to be legal in Egypt. I'm not here to challenge Islam but I still have doubt with the purpose of this marriage.

I do believe in each marriage a husband should be the one to provide Security and Protection to his family, theses are considered as pillars of any house, but to my surprise in this marriage there's nothing as such. I wonder how would the marriage work

Care to hear your views in this regards.

Arabian Princess
25-10-03, 03:48 PM
one question I ask those who are in favour of zawaj ilmisyar .. are they willing for thier daughters to marry this way?

I dont find zawaj ilmisyar sensable because it void the first reasong for getting married which is: stabiliy!!

Arabian Princess
25-10-03, 03:55 PM
here is the shariaa rulings on this marraige : (sorry its in arabic):

Shykh Ahmed Al-Khalili (http://www.almajara.com/article.php?sid=4330)

zawaj ilmisyar (http://www.saaid.net/Doat/ehsan/9.htm)

H-Highness
25-10-03, 04:07 PM
Thanx AP for replies

Desert_Sloath
31-10-03, 05:14 AM
How many kinds of zawajis i have across of:-

1st normal zawaj
2nd zawaj mut`A
3rd zawaj friend
4th zawaj musayar
5th zawaj ur`fi (?)


Is this some kind of social problem in the Arab Societies ?

Then we have in the GCC Dictated Marriage by the authorities

I guess solution to all this is to Privatise i mean Liberalise Marriage Decision to be left in the hands of the couples but within proper religious lines

Wardat_il'7leej
31-10-03, 12:15 PM
I read somewhere that now a day there is marriage through a cassette player. Where the girl identifies herself with two witnesses and the man does the same and BoooM they r married!?!?!

Is this right? i know one thing it sure as hell is cheap and easy on the pocket.

H-Highness
31-10-03, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
3rd zawaj friend


Can you elaborate more...never heard of it.

H-Highness
31-10-03, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
I read somewhere that now a day there is marriage through a cassette player. Where the girl identifies herself with two witnesses and the man does the same and BoooM they r married!?!?!

Is this right? i know one thing it sure as hell is cheap and easy on the pocket.

Not only that I have heard marriage thru webcam, a man doesn't have to appear at masjid. Also divorce thru SMS...hat was incrediably ridicolous. :duh:

Arabian Princess
01-11-03, 09:31 AM
its good to use technology but not ina redicilous way!!

HH zawaj friend is very simmiler to muttaa marraige, when a man is abroad h marry's a woman there and then he doesnt tell her that he intenteds to divorce her after his perioed abroad is finished. me might keep her, or divorce her.

I find it cheating and very direspectable of women and I am sure its not within Islamic rules.

H-Highness
01-11-03, 11:21 AM
I wonder if Ibadh sect approves all these new types of marriages

X-press
01-11-03, 11:45 AM
Thanks H-highness for bringing this topic to our attention and I, for one, didn't know about the existance of such marriage.

It seems the mesyar (traveler) marriage is more convenient for the man who is going out of the country than for the woman. I agree that this doesn't fulfil what marriage is all about. At the end there is nearly no love or no real commitment shared, and it's only point is to say that the person is married only.

Desert_Sloath, I didn't get you :lost: ...what does "zawajis" means and the 5 exemples you gave above?

Arabian Princess
01-11-03, 11:58 AM
zawaj is marriagex-press.

HH, masyar was explained by shiekh khalili in the first link I gave. It reflects that the marraige legally is valid (as in the contract itself) but if it leads to social problems it is not allowed.

Desert_Sloath
02-11-03, 11:16 PM
"Zawaj Friend" was one of a controversial topic raised by a prominent Muslim Scholar named al -Zandani. Don't ask me what ' zandani ' means in Arabic i only know what it means in Kiswahili though the Scholar Zandani is of and based in Yemen. A very knowledgeable person of outstanding character.

His 'fatwa' over the acceptance of 'Zawaj Friend' and that is what is known caused a lot of havock amongst Muslims resident in Europe and America :wink:

Wardat_il'7leej
02-11-03, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by H-Highness
Not only that I have heard marriage thru webcam, a man doesn't have to appear at masjid. Also divorce thru SMS...hat was incrediably ridicolous. :duh:

How lazy can a person be!?

Desert_Sloath
03-11-03, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
How lazy can a person be!?


don't blame a Sloth for it's nature, such would Anti-Semitism.