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Old_Glory
22-10-03, 09:29 PM
My question is why would this piece of crap get only 40 strokes with a cane and some poor women was almost stoned to death for having a baby? Does this mean that women in Islam are actually considered to be the equivalent of dogs?
Man, 45, gets 40 lashes for raping four-year-old girl (http://odili.net/news/source/2003/oct/20/337.html)
By Idris Salisu, Gusau
The Upper Sharia Court Gusau has sentenced a 45-year-old man, Mallam Tukur Aliyu to 40 strokes of cane and a fine of N10,000 for raping his four-year-old student.
When hearing the case, the court noticed that Tukur asked the little girl to meet him at his room to collect a scroll. As the girl entered the room, the cleric ordered the young girl to undress after which he forcefully had carnal knowledge of her.
After he had finished, the cleric noticed that he had injured the little girl and became jittery. He then went out and told her to remain in the room until when he returned.
The court was told that before Tukur could return with an a different set of clothes for the girl, she had sneaked out of the room with blood rushing under her legs and staining her clothes.
As she was moving, some people who live nearby Tukur's house stopped her and asked her what happened. As the little girl was narrating what really happened, the anxious Islamic scholar emerged and he was immediately arrested.
Desert_Sloath
23-10-03, 07:50 AM
You are right Old_Glory the punishment the so called 'scholar' is very very much out of the proportion of his deeds comparring to a woman giving birth outside marriage. May be the judged has feared wester media criticism and exposing his country outside. He obviously wants to please the western world where illegality is legal. But can't win them all. Hence at least half-of the rewards than nothing at all. Think of lives of numerous babies each time Sharon is on the leading seat of Israeli Affairs. I think we should rid off Israeli people with this man. He must go, he is a killer. There will be no life saving on both sides as long as he has a leading position amongst the son's of goD.
sanwin25
23-10-03, 04:39 PM
Oh no, you brought this Israelis into this as well.
What would happen to your Islam DS, if the Israeli's did not exist ?
Does it somehow strengthen your weak faith by somehow blaming the Israelis for everything, even a horny muslim man who could not control his genitals ?
(Maybe the little girl wore a short dress and he just could not control himself. I am sure it must be the little girls fault).
Originally posted by Old_Glory
Does this mean that women in Islam are actually considered to be the equivalent of dogs?
No.
Next Q.
he shopuld be stoned to death and that's it i wouldn't mind doing it myself :fire: :angre: :bang:
Old_Glory
23-10-03, 08:03 PM
Azure,
I agree with you. Stoning is needed.
As for you D_S,
Again, what does Israel have to do with this?
shamsery
23-10-03, 08:14 PM
Such stupid should face firing squad.
Old_Glory wrote "My question is why would this piece of crap get only 40 strokes with a cane and some poor women was almost stoned to death for having a baby? Does this mean that women in Islam are actually considered to be the equivalent of dogs?"
YOU must first ask if the action which the court had taken is a right one according to IslamIC RULES and then ask that question.
Any way, according to the islamic rules, both men and women should have the same punishment if they commited adultery or rape. If the person was single( man or woman) he/she should get one hundred strokes of cane but if the person was married then he/she should be stoned to death.
Originally posted by Old_Glory
My question is why would this piece of crap get only 40 strokes with a cane and some poor women was almost stoned to death for having a baby? Does this mean that women in Islam are actually considered to be the equivalent of dogs?
Most likely he would get life in prison or the death sentence in more modern Muslim countries ...
Nigerians aren't the most representative of what should be proper modern muslims ...
Alkaser001
23-10-03, 10:16 PM
Pretender
Most likely he would get life in prison or the death sentence in more modern Muslim countries
I agree.
They should chop of his penis off and feed it to the lion in alkaseer's avatar.
shamsery
23-10-03, 10:38 PM
They are the same for Muslim Ummah as well as for mankind.
sanwin25
24-10-03, 03:43 AM
But didin't a Sharia court give him that punishment ?
You mean there are different versions of Sharia law ?
You mean, that Sharia law might be interpreted differently in different countries ?
You mean that you good old Islamic utopia might not be so good after all since it is all subject to human interpretation ?
And there I was thinking that Islam had a common, unambiguous universal message for all of mankind !
IceTea
Originally posted by IceTea
No.
Next Q. Does this mean that Islam is a "low level" process of law?
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16679
Are you sure you want to open this can of worms?
shamsery
24-10-03, 09:51 AM
Yes , Islam has a common, unambiguous universal message for all of mankind .
But it depends on the wise people and foes how they interpret.
~*FaiThFuL*~
24-10-03, 01:45 PM
He should have been stoned to death..
But hey I noticed something, is that everytime there is a story or rape and mostly rape of lil childern the rapist is either an Imam of mosque or an islamic teacher and all those kind of people...
And the stories are true..so does that say anything?
Old_Glory
24-10-03, 09:00 PM
And the stories are true..so does that say anything?
It says that those who follow Islam are just as fallible as those who follow other religions. There are some Muslims on this board that would try to convince you otherwise.
Scottish
24-10-03, 11:45 PM
May be the judged has feared wester media criticism and exposing his country outside. He obviously wants to please the western world where illegality is legal. But can't win them all. Hence at least half-of the rewards than nothing at all. Think of lives of numerous babies each time Sharon is on the leading seat of Israeli Affairs. I think we should rid off Israeli people with this man. He must go, he is a killer. There will be no life saving on both sides as long as he has a leading position amongst the son's of goD.
Let's put this into perspective.
The west is far more critical of 40 lashes, then if they had sentenced him to life in prison (which I would advocate, why simply kill him? Let him suffer the rest of his life). His standing is no higher then a pedophile priest, who did go to prison and subsequently killed in prison.
What are you going on about, "where illegality is legal"? That makes no sense. Are you implying that laws are not universal? Guess what? It isn't. It is not illegal here to drink alcohol. So, how can it be "illegal where it is legal" if it isn't illegal. Your logic loop makes no sense.
And could you possibly, just possibly, not bring up Israel or USA on an obviously non political event? You went way off on a tangent, that has nothing to do with a monster that irrevocably harmed a young girl.
If it were me who posted that, I'd delete the reference to Israel, since it is obviously a red herring that is transparent.
sanwin25
25-10-03, 08:11 PM
which version of Islamic law / sharia were these honorable judges using when they give this verdict ?
I read another member write that the Quran doesn't not allow you to beat an animal but it allow you to beat your wife.
Quite revealing actually.
Originally posted by sanwin25
which version of Islamic law / sharia were these honorable judges using when they give this verdict ?
[COLO
R=deeppink] Are all the Muslim counties using the Islamic laws?! of course no. So, they are not necessary using the Islamic sharia [/COLOR]
Originally posted by sanwin25
I read another member write that the Quran doesn't not allow you to beat an animal but it allow you to beat your wife.
Quite revealing actually. [/B]
As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you Surat AL-Nisa (34)
So as you can understand from the ayah, the beating is the last resort and it should be very light so that it causes no damages.
Any way, lets stick to the topic here.
sanwin25
26-10-03, 07:32 PM
Are all the Muslim counties using the Islamic laws?! of course no. So, they are not necessary using the Islamic sharia
Did you bother to read the article ? It begins this way
The Upper Sharia Court Gusau has sentenced a 45-year-old man, Mallam Tukur Aliyu to 40 strokes of cane and a fine of N10,000 for raping his four-year-old student.
Clearer ? The UPPER SHARIA COURT issued this verdict.
So I ask you again, which version of Sharia Law were they using ?
And then, there is also this minor gem from you
So as you can understand from the ayah, the beating is the last resort and it should be very light so that it causes no damages.
You do not find a small disconnect that you are allowed to 'beat' your wife in the last resort but are instructed to treat your animals kindly ?
Scorpio27
27-10-03, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by qais
They should chop of his penis off and feed it to the lion in alkaseer's avatar.
Shame on the rapists they must be punished with death penalty by torturing in open.
And on those who are doing ill being a Muslim by birth.
Can you Guys treat them as Muslims?
:blush: :fire: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by sanwin25
Did you bother to read the article ? It begins this way
Clearer ? The UPPER SHARIA COURT issued this verdict.
So I ask you again, which version of Sharia Law were they using ?
And then, there is also this minor gem from you
Simply, it's a version that they made themselves. It's a sharia court which does not practice the Islamic sharia in everything.
Originally posted by sanwin25
You do not find a small disconnect that you are allowed to 'beat' your wife in the last resort but are instructed to treat your animals kindly ? [/B]
Do you think that if you beat an animal, it will understand and take the lesson. Humans can be affected even by words, but beat a cat for eating the fish you put in front of your kitchen's door and put the fish in the same place the next day. Won't the cat eat the fish?!
PEACE
sanwin25
27-10-03, 05:11 PM
QUOTE]Humans can be affected even by words[/QUOTE]
Agree. So there is no need for beating, lightly or otherwise.
beat a cat for eating the fish you put in front of your kitchen's door and put the fish in the same place the next day. Won't the cat eat the fish?!
You beat the cat every time it ate the fish for a few days and you can be sure it will not touch the fish in front of the door after a few days.
It was a method of training in the old days.
Originally posted by sanwin25
QUOTE]Humans can be affected even by words
Agree. So there is no need for beating, lightly or otherwise.
[/QUOTE]
Most women are affected by words but there are some who are not, so light beating might help FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AFFECTED.
Originally posted by sanwin25
You beat the cat every time it ate the fish for a few days and you can be sure it will not touch the fish in front of the door after a few days.
It was a method of training in the old days. [/B]
There has been a cat that eats the fish my mother put in front of the kitchen door. Out of anger, my mother beats that cat harshly several times (I know she shouldn't but that what usually happens) any way, the cat still eats the fish we put anywhere when it's possible for her.
Maybe it won't touch the fish when there is some one guarding it but as soon as the guard leaves, the fish vanishs :D
Animals' brains are too limited and they are not like us human beings
PEACE
MoonChild
28-10-03, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by SadLad
Agree. So there is no need for beating, lightly or otherwise.
Most women are affected by words but there are some who are not, so light beating might help FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AFFECTED.
This is something that you will simply never understand because you have been indoctrinated by your religion and culture to think that Men have the Allah-given RIGHT to beat their wives.
You can't see that your words are permeated with the attitude that the husband has the role of ownership in that "if words don't make her obey me, a "light" beating may do the trick".
Where is the similar "right" of a woman to force her husband to obey her?
This is the inequality that our culture rejects.
My husband does NOT have the right to beat me, "lightly" or otherwise. *I* do not give him that right - if he ever lays a hand on me, we will no longer have a marriage for he will have demonstrated an attitude totally at odds with my criteria for marriage partnership - that of "ownership". I refuse to be owned, and I simply don't believe that a Creator set things up that way.
MoonChild,
Sadlad is a lost soul! He has also vigorously defended honor killing with some perverse notion that he is defending Gods honor.
His thinking is obviously based on his family history.
I'd hate to be a women in his family :fire:
~*FaiThFuL*~
28-10-03, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by MoonChild
This is something that you will simply never understand because you have been indoctrinated by your religion and culture to think that Men have the Allah-given RIGHT to beat their wives.
* I dont think any muslim men OR women will understand that, I have been shoutin out, screaming out, yet no1 understands
actaully 2day they made a big issue for me in skool, bcuz some gurl overheard me discussing this subject with my close friends..she went 2 tell the idaraa that this gurl is mortdaa (left Islam) and that teacher came shouting at me claiming that I dont believe in god n bla bla bla, n if she heard anythin like that againg I'll be in serious trouble..and that am considered an unbeliver!
Ha!
~*FaiThFuL*~
The problem with this issue is that states clearly in the "Quran" that men have this right. Some men will even see it as their Godly duty to keep you in line in order to avoid chaos....
Well any sane person can see this is wrong, but to say it, they would be going against the "Quran" and you can't do that.
Another words you refuse to be trained...? I applaude you :app: for taking such a stance.
The beating is meant for treatment and not punishment of "nashiz" women and not every one. The second issue is that it's one of many methods that the husband needs to follow and not to go straight to beating his wife. It's step after step, if the first method didn't work then he moves to the next step and so on. Allah knows human nature and how to treat bad people and ofcourse without harming them physicaly.
The beating is meant for treatmentSee there ~*FaiThFuL*~ as IcTea explained it...it's for your own good and you should understand that if you are bad you may need a little beating to get you back in line.
Is this right TeaMan?
~*FaiThFuL*~
28-10-03, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by jack
See there ~*FaiThFuL*~ as IcTea explained it...it's for your own good and you should understand that if you are bad you may need a little beating to get you back in line.
Is this right TeaMan?
Plz have mercy on my soul...
what the message is the beatin supposed 2 give?
NOTHING
But I guess no1 is willin 2 listen..so why should I keep myself talkin, i was about 2 get kicked out of skool I aint risking getting killed by people who think tht me discussing one aya is REDA!
ir7moooooni
Mr Tickle
28-10-03, 10:23 PM
Tea,
Do you truly believe that you can hit a woman and never physically harm her?
Incidentally, is your definition of 'lightly beating' the same as all Muslim men - are there 'lightly beating police' that make sure that only a certain velocity of handmovement must be used?
sanwin25
29-10-03, 05:08 AM
The beating is meant for treatment and not punishment of "nashiz" women and not every one. The second issue is that it's one of many methods that the husband needs to follow and not to go straight to beating his wife. It's step after step, if the first method didn't work then he moves to the next step and so on. Allah knows human nature and how to treat bad people and ofcourse without harming them physicaly.
That is the whole problem.
Treat the woman like an animal. Try this method then that. If it doesn't work, beat her.
What a bunch of animals.
Originally posted by jack
MoonChild,
Sadlad is a lost soul! He has also vigorously defended honor killing with some perverse notion that he is defending Gods honor.
Originally posted by jack
His thinking is obviously based on his family history.
I'd hate to be a women in his family :fire: [/B] Hey you jack listen
I'm not defending honor killing. I stated that many times in virious threads so no need to discuss it again. :mad: :fire: I discussed the killing of murtadins "those who convert from Islam to other religons", but you didn't seem to understand. That's not honor killing. Will you understand?!!!
This case is closed since the more I argue with you the more you misunderstand :confused: :wink:
SadLad
I discussed the killing of murtadins "those who convert from Islam to other religons", but you didn't seem to understand.I understand that you support killing of muslims that convert to other or no religion.
That's what I understand. Do you understand that this is cold blooded murder...? Nothing honorable about it!
I'll dig up the thread if you wish to dispute that stand. ;)
Originally posted by jack
See there ~*FaiThFuL*~ as IcTea explained it...it's for your own good and you should understand that if you are bad you may need a little beating to get you back in line.
Is this right TeaMan?
And why a woman wants to be bad, is not better to stay always a good wife and obey her husband instaed of creating problems which might lead to divorce. And beating can give a good results sometimes thats why it's included in the treatment of such women becuase even such method is used with kids when they break the rules and don't listen to their parents.
At the end this is just an exception but even for exceptions Islam provided the solution to return the marriage relation to it's normal path.
IceTea
And beating can give a good results sometimesYea your right...my wife beat our dog and every time she comes in the room he runs and hides.... ;)
He's scared to death of her......
Originally posted by mr pinnochio
Tea,
Do you truly believe that you can hit a woman and never physically harm her?
Yes, and I said what is the main reason for it. At the end she is his wife so it will be his last wish to hurt his wife.
Originally posted by mr pinnochio
Incidentally, is your definition of 'lightly beating' the same as all Muslim men - are there 'lightly beating police' that make sure that only a certain velocity of handmovement must be used?
No need for any police and the husband is requested to follow the Quran instructions when "beating" his wife is required. The beating should not make any sign in the her body, and she has all the right to report her case to the court if he husband affected her physicaly.
No need for any police and the husband is requested to follow the Quran instructions when "beating" his wife is required. Absolutly no need for police, because they will put your @ss in jail for beating your wife in almost every country in the world.
The beating should not make any sign in the her body, and she has all the right to report her case to the court if he husband affected her physicaly.No way leave any marks, because that's physical evidence that the beating took place. Good move.....
And is there anything in the Quran about how often beating your wife may be required? Or is it left up to your good judgement ;)
Milliardo Peacecraft
29-10-03, 09:23 AM
Darn, Icebag, you have such a twisted view on relationships. I pity your gf, or wife, if even someone can stand someone who thinks like that. Obviously you need to be taught that we're past ancient times when women were considered as properties, but I see there are still some who have no problem with this. And you even suggest that you could beat a woman in such a way that bruises will not show! My, Icebag, I am sure you just have won the hearts of all the ladies here. That is such a macho thing to say.
Originally posted by jack
Absolutly no need for police, because they will put your @ss in jail for beating your wife in almost every country in the world.
A wise lady will listen and obey her husband. You are making it sound as if his only duty is to beat his wife. ;)
Originally posted by jack
And is there anything in the Quran about how often beating your wife may be required? Or is it left up to your good judgement ;)
Beating is just exceptional case and left to the judgement of the husnad if it's really needed or not.
IceTea
You are making it sound as if his only duty is to beat his wife. Do you know what the term "digging a hole that you can't get out of means"?
Now you say it is his duty to beat her....and noble men must perform their duty.
IceTea...are you really that stupid?
Alkaser001
29-10-03, 10:28 AM
Jack, sanwin25, MoonChild
here is what one of u has to say:
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What a bunch of animals
Have u notice ur replications?? Would u plzz read the main topic again and see if it has to do with anything that u have been blabling about. Some of u calling us Animals .... etc. Is this the way u like it?. I haven't seen a post here that u have discussed or debated without blaming Islam and Muslims for it, seems that u have so many issues.
Speechless........ no further comments.
alkaser001
Originally posted by sanwin25
That is the whole problem.
Treat the woman like an animal. Try this method then that. If it doesn't work, beat her.
What a bunch of animals.
Sanwin deserves a warning for such behaviour. At least the mods of this sabla should take action by deleting such bad comments.
Originally posted by jack
IceTeaDo you know what the term "digging a hole that you can't get out of means"?
Now you say it is his duty to beat her....and noble men must perform their duty.
IceTea...are you really that stupid?
jack you are just acting silly, why don't you put on your glassess and read well. And stop twisting my words.
sanwin25
29-10-03, 04:41 PM
What, if I say men who beat their wives are a bunch of animals, that is an insult ?
Dream on.
I will say it again.
Men who beat their wives are a bunch of animals.
MoonChild
29-10-03, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by IceTea
The beating is meant for treatment
treatment?
TREATMENT???!?!!!!!!
As in "curing" some ailment - that of disobeying your husband?
Yes, that is exactly the attitude I was refering to in my comments to SadLad.
You think it is your right - even your DUTY (as YOU stated) - to "cure" your wife of disobedience to your whims through BEATING HER (and if you are careful not to leave bruises, it makes no difference :bang: )
Again, it is not how frequently you beat your wife, or for what reasons, but that you THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, that is heinous in the minds of civilized people.
Yes, men in the West beat their wives - but they are considered (rightly) criminals for doing so, and this is treated as assault that it is.
MoonChild
29-10-03, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by ~*FaiThFuL*~
But I guess no1 is willin 2 listen..so why should I keep myself talkin, i was about 2 get kicked out of skool I aint risking getting killed by people who think tht me discussing one aya is REDA!
ir7moooooni
You may need to move to England or US to get the freedom and respect you deserve - you will be allowed to be a devout Muslim (or not, as you prefer), and live however you please ... without the Medieval attitude that you are "less than" just because you are female.
Hang in there, girl!
MoonChild
29-10-03, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Alkaser001
I haven't seen a post here that u have discussed or debated without blaming Islam and Muslims for it, seems that u have so many issues.
Once again you're projecting. I haven't blamed Islam for anything ... I'm responding to the actual statements made by members here. If they use the Quran to justify their attitudes, then THEY are bringing Islam into it, not me.
I fully agree with the statement that "men who beat their wives are a bunch of animals" (although it's an insult to animals!), and this includes Christians, Muslims, ANYONE. Shame on any one of them who use their religion to justify brutality - and I've met men of several religions who do just that. They are all wrong.
Shakoosh Kabir
29-10-03, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by IceTea
A wise lady will listen and obey her husband. [/B]
In my experience, IT, a wise lady will give the impression of doing that, but nothing more.
~*FaiThFuL*~
30-10-03, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by MoonChild
You may need to move to England or US to get the freedom and respect you deserve - you will be allowed to be a devout Muslim (or not, as you prefer), and live however you please ... without the Medieval attitude that you are "less than" just because you are female.
Hang in there, girl!
*Believe me MoonChild I would if I could..bcuz I never felt so helpless and well how can I say it, I felt injustice..when that teacher threatned me to be kicked out of school just because I simply discussed with some of my best friends about how can a man beat his women..she said that it is a kind of REDA(dis-beliving in Islam) ...
I realized I couldnt ask my parents to complain or anythin, since talkin abt islam is the biggest sin, and since its a goverment skool the princpel will have the right to kick me out of skool claiming ( am affecting the girls, and making them dis-believe in their quran! since the beatin was mentioned in a verse in the quran)!
So I guess that means me havin 2 zip my big mouth to spare my family any more trouble..but trust me I have never felt this bad b4
Originally posted by MoonChild
treatment?
TREATMENT???!?!!!!!!
As in "curing" some ailment - that of disobeying your husband?
Yes, that is exactly the attitude I was refering to in my comments to SadLad.
You think it is your right - even your DUTY (as YOU stated) - to "cure" your wife of disobedience to your whims through BEATING HER (and if you are careful not to leave bruises, it makes no difference :bang: )
First of all I said there are procedures to be followed and not going straight to beating. And the objective of beating is not to hurt the wife physicaly but just to get her to relize her mistakes only. So don't confuse yourself and understand the main point of it.
Originally posted by MoonChild
Again, it is not how frequently you beat your wife, or for what reasons, but that you THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, that is heinous in the minds of civilized people.
Yes it's a right, but should be used wisely and when needed only or not to be abused. Allah asked men to treat their wives in good and respected way.
Originally posted by MoonChild
Yes, men in the West beat their wives - but they are considered (rightly) criminals for doing so, and this is treated as assault that it is.
Thats different issue and your comparison is not valid because in the West they do it to hurt the wife and punish her which is not the case with muslims.
Originally posted by Shakoosh Kabir
In my experience, IT, a wise lady will give the impression of doing that, but nothing more.
Her actions will be enough to find out that she is not fooling her husband.
sanwin25
30-10-03, 04:48 PM
Ice Tea, do you still beat your wife ?
MoonChild
30-10-03, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by ~*FaiThFuL*~
*Believe me MoonChild I would if I could..
I know it's not much consolation when you are feeling stuck *now* ... but now is the time to make your college plans, if you need certain classes and grades to get into a US or UK college, find out now and work towards that goal, you can get out during college then decide whether or not to come back to Oman and help CHANGE the society's attitudes - which I think it is doing already as the young men on this forum (many of them) are showing :)
There is still a bad attitude about women in other countries too - when I was in college I was trying to buy a car and in a couple of dealerships no salesman even bothered to come out and talk to me, I guess because I was a female! So they lost a sale, the jerks!! And a lot of times guys at the car mechanic, or the hardware store, will assume I don't know what I'm doing and I just feel like shaking them and telling them "I've got an IQ of 140 and 3 college degrees, you moron, so don't get cocky about a stupid carburator!" But I don't :p :angel:
Originally posted by sanwin25
Ice Tea, do you still beat your wife ?
Never did that.
MoonChild, are you trying to spoil the girl with your ideas :rolleyes:. There is no religion like Islam gave the women their rights as human being and respected them.
Tea
Never did that.Do you mean you have never needed to beat your wife. If so that's good. Remember though you always have that option with Islam....if needed. ;)
And all you ladies never forget, your man has that option in Islam!
MoonChild
30-10-03, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by jack
TeaDo you mean you have never needed to beat your wife. If so that's good. Remember though you always have that option with Islam....if needed. ;)
And all you ladies never forget, your man has that option in Islam!
Just remember to do it RESPECTFULLY :rolleyes:
Milliardo Peacecraft
30-10-03, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by IceTea
First of all I said there are procedures to be followed and not going straight to beating. And the objective of beating is not to hurt the wife physicaly but just to get her to relize her mistakes only. So don't confuse yourself and understand the main point of it.
Teabag, beating is beating. It's not something a sane human being does to someone he professes to love. This is simply silly, and should not in any way be seen as something that any man, Muslim or not, should do to his wife. In short, Icebag, don't even think about it.
Thats different issue and your comparison is not valid because in the West they do it to hurt the wife and punish her which is not the case with muslims.
Icebag, when you said above that you should beat your lady to make her realize her mistake, it's the same thing as to punishing her. Silly again that you try to defend what you think to be normal Islamic custom, and fall flat when you say it is different from what men in the West do. Let me point out to you, in both punishing and hurting the lady, it is no different than what some men in the West do. You simply hurt and punish the woman--something that is simply not done and should not be done.
There is no religion like Islam gave the women their rights as human being and respected them.
Icebag, I hope you're not being funny, because if beating is what you call treating someone as a human being with respect, then I am more than glad not to be Muslim.
MP, what you said is all wrong.
Read again below verse, and see how Islam provided a solution for evey single problem.
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
And read also:
O ye who believe, it is not lawful for you to inherit women against their will, nor should you detain them wrongfully that you may take away part of that which you have given them, except that they be guilty of a flagrant impropriety, and consort with them in kindness, and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein ALLAH has placed much good.
Milliardo Peacecraft
31-10-03, 04:22 PM
Sorry to say, Tebag, but when it comes to beating, Islam got it offbase. Lightly or otherwise, it is still beating. How light is light? Would a slap on the face be light? Would beating the woman with a stick be light? Teabag, you are really defending the undefendable. Even enlightened Muslims see beating to be wrong.
sanwin25
31-10-03, 05:18 PM
(Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly);
What is all that stuff between braces - (and last), (lightly) ?
Isn't that stuff added to explain the verse ?
So basically the original doesn't contain any word like 'lightly', it was just added by your scholars to try and make the beating verse look less barbaric
X-press
01-11-03, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Old_Glory
It says that those who follow Islam are just as fallible as those who follow other religions.
Of course Old_Glory there are may muslims who are as fallible as those who follow other religions and this because in fact they are not true muslims. They claim they are when they are not.
This scholar who has raped this little girl does deserve to be stoned to death and it is even more a shame knowing that he is supposed to know and preach religion!!
We have hear so many times priests or archbishops molesting young children too and it is equally wrong! When a man does such a crime, he should not be judge only because of his religion but as a 'supposed' human being first.
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