sanwin25, i don't know where u are from but i would assum that u're american since i saw the flag in ur avator, i might be mistaken, sorry if i am.

Please don't pass such judgments and comments based upon an artical you read somewhere by some author.

I want to tell you something, i have been reading posts by you for the past couple of days and all i can see is that u have been trying to claim as much faults that u assume that Islam and muslims do, U have got to learn about Islam more bro.

To know our faith , u can't just read an artical by some dude and come here and judge us all upon such comments.

Read books about it, inlighten urself.

I live in the USA right now, am gonna ask u a simple Question:

Do you like what u see on TV about ur culture? Do u like Jerry Springers show? I bet u have seen it and u know what it is.

Have u seen the shows where Teenagers, smoke crack, have sex at the age of 11 , i even once saw the show where this 12 years old girl have had sex with more than 42 men. Not to mention , men get married to their mothers and some get married to animals...... etc.

Do you like the sound of that about ur culture?

Islam is clean, Islam is the truth.

I wanna ask you another Question:
Why do sisters(thats what u call them in churches)wear scarfs?ur answer would by because they are religous and they are following what is mentioned in the Bible, So do Muslim women, they wear scarfs cuz they are religous and faithful, i am just giving an example,

All am trying to say here is: Learn, read books, go to mosques and meet with scholars and they will tell u what Islam is all about.

tell u something, you have freedom in the US but yet you have all sorts of sexual diseases which alhmdulelah we don't have in our islamic country, Does that ring a bill in ur head and tells you why is that? Well, if not then, Muslims follow the Qur'an , words of god, and everything is explained there for us not to commet sins. Cuz whatever sexual disease u get is a sign from ALAH.

See how sceintist are suffering , they can't find a cure for Aids. Aids comes from drugs and sex, not mentioning other diseases...HIV...etc. Islam porhibits all that, that's why u see Most Muslims young men get married at young age, have a family and not sleep with 100 girlfriends that most of 'em have HIVS like what most westren do and than they evantually find out that they have a disease , god knows what it is

these are facts that you have to look at.

Muslims have love for each other and for other people, but if they notice that someone is trying to take advantage of our faith, we stand up together. We pray in moques together, black and white, which is in contrary with u Christians, The black pple have their own churchs and the white have their own( aren't u supposed to be worshiping one god) why wouldn't u worship together???

I could go on and on and u wouldn't be able to answer me. I am not trying to offend u (bro or sis). I have the right to defend my religion and my faith.

If u are happy about ur religion and u don't wanna seek the truth , well no one can push you, but all am asking is DON"T PASS JUDGMENTS just like that.

Thanks alot.

alkaser001

Good alkassser....another thing i woudntto ask the non-muslims in the sabla..so it is applied to you Sanwin

Are you really intrested in knowing and learning more about Islam?

Or do you just enjoy disrespecting our religion?

Originally posted by Alkaser001
sanwin25, i don't know where u are from but i would assum that u're american since i saw the flag in ur avator, i might be mistaken, sorry if i am

actually he is half Indian and half Canadian

Please don't pass such judgments and comments based upon an artical you read somewhere by some author.

I want to tell you something, i have been reading posts by you for the past couple of days and all i can see is that u have been trying to claim as much faults that u assume that Islam and muslims do, U have got to learn about Islam more bro.

To know our faith , u can't just read an artical by some dude and come here and judge us all upon such comments.

Read books about it, inlighten urself.

I live in the USA right now, am gonna ask u a simple Question:

Do you like what u see on TV about ur culture? Do u like Jerry Springers show? I bet u have seen it and u know what it is.

Have u seen the shows where Teenagers, smoke crack, have sex at the age of 11 , i even once saw the show where this 12 years old girl have had sex with more than 42 men. Not to mention , men get married to their mothers and some get married to animals...... etc.

Do you like the sound of that about ur culture?

Islam is clean, Islam is the truth.

I wanna ask you another Question:
Why do sisters(thats what u call them in churches)wear scarfs?ur answer would by because they are religous and they are following what is mentioned in the Bible, So do Muslim women, they wear scarfs cuz they are religous and faithful, i am just giving an example,

All am trying to say here is: Learn, read books, go to mosques and meet with scholars and they will tell u what Islam is all about.

tell u something, you have freedom in the US but yet you have all sorts of sexual diseases which alhmdulelah we don't have in our islamic country, Does that ring a bill in ur head and tells you why is that? Well, if not then, Muslims follow the Qur'an , words of god, and everything is explained there for us not to commet sins. Cuz whatever sexual disease u get is a sign from ALAH.

See how sceintist are suffering , they can't find a cure for Aids. Aids comes from drugs and sex, not mentioning other diseases...HIV...etc. Islam porhibits all that, that's why u see Most Muslims young men get married at young age, have a family and not sleep with 100 girlfriends that most of 'em have HIVS like what most westren do and than they evantually find out that they have a disease , god knows what it is

these are facts that you have to look at.

Muslims have love for each other and for other people, but if they notice that someone is trying to take advantage of our faith, we stand up together. We pray in moques together, black and white, which is in contrary with u Christians, The black pple have their own churchs and the white have their own( aren't u supposed to be worshiping one god) why wouldn't u worship together???

I could go on and on and u wouldn't be able to answer me. I am not trying to offend u (bro or sis). I have the right to defend my religion and my faith.

If u are happy about ur religion and u don't wanna seek the truth , well no one can push you, but all am asking is DON"T PASS JUDGMENTS just like that.

Thanks alot.

alkaser001

WELL say .VEry Good :)


Originally posted by 4-ever-young
or do you just enjoy disrespecting our religion?
i dont think so

Oh wow, a thread addressed specially to me. How sweet of you.

Give me a little time. I just got back from work and I will reply shortly.

Mr. Alkaser001,
I welcome your post address to one of our active member of Sabla. You have raised many points to convince him.
Especially about social order.
Your thread is worthy no doubt, it is also spontaneous expression of your feelings and emotion.
But you have not quoted on which judgement of the gentleman you have initiated your thread.
It could be nice to quote his few judgements and to analyze those with your argument.
You will agree with me that Allah, Prophet (Pbuh), Qur’an and Islam does not care about their opinion.
Those unfortunates will not listen to the call.
It would be appreciated to categorically examine there post prove your answer logically.
There are many web sites hoisted to defame us with the name of Islam and free thinking. They will follow those sites and will not take the pain to learn about Islam.
Anyway, you keep up with your efforts.
Once again I thank you.

Mr shamsery

Can you please post an online link to an impartial english translation of the Quran? One without any commentary just a simple translation. I'm sure members would be glad to use it, if you can find one, as a source when refering to the Islam.

Mr.shamsery

thanks alot bro.

I think everone here is aware of the quotes and comments that we have been receiving from non-muslims in this Sabla. They are racists and discriminators big time, yet they ignore that fact about themselves.

As i have said many times, THEY NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION LOGICALY, THEY KNOW How TO ASK SENSLESS QUESTIONS AND COMMENT ON THINGS THAT aren't true or there not sure of.

If anyone is trying to learn more about Islam we're happy to help. If u are trying to disrespect than expect the same thing.

alkaser001

Mr. Jack,
I welcome your inquisitiveness.
That should be the sprit, you read it, realize it, please go in to the deep.
None are insisting you to believe.
You must know the before criticizing. T
That is the academic method and civilized manner.

Don’t you agree with me?

There are Translation (By many Translated Qur’an) on line.
But remember, it is relay difficult to translate Qur’an in other language.
I personally like this translation and read it.

Religion Sabla Sticky Threads in Here.> Recitation of the Holy Quran >Understaing Holly Quran


Link : http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=8067

Please download Understanding Holly Quran.

Please don’t forget to read ; Prophet Muhammed's Last Sermon


Link; http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=8040

First I am a member like you and then Moderator.
I am Moderator for Politics Sabla not as a whole.
So you will agree with me that I have the right to disagree with you.
I have praised about your post but could not agree with the presentation.
I know, it is easy to hold different view but much more difficult to write such a good thread.
But now I am disappointed with your reply.
Please understand, we are to explain our stand with love and not with irritant mode.
Am I wrong, my brother?

Originally posted by Alkaser001
THEY NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION LOGICALY,

On the contrary, the non- muslims on this board are much more likely to apply logic to a topic than the muslims (with a few exceptions :) ).

Unless our definitions of logic are vastly different!

Gracious lady with illogical reply.

originally by MoonChildOn:
the contrary, the non- muslims on this board are much more likely to apply logic to a topic than the muslims (with a few exceptions ).

I have asked most fo them question, why don't they reply to me? Most of them say that they don't have time at the same time i find them making new threads and so on.

Anyways, that's what i thought.

alkser001

A good and correct observation.

Originally posted by Alkaser001
I have asked most fo them question, why don't they reply to me?

Ah, that's a different problem. Making no response is not the same as making an illogical response :)

Recently, I've found your questions off-topic and they seem to be a defensive/hostile attempt to change the subject. Perhaps others feel the same, and ignore them.

And although your questions in this thread are directed toward Sanwin, my general response is that there is a lot in American culture that is not admirable - and Jerry Springer delights in highlighting the worst of it - in fact his whole show is an unrecognized satire (he's laughing all the way to the bank, believe me!).

by MoonChild:
there is a lot in American culture that is not admirable - and Jerry Springer delights in highlighting the worst of it - in fact his whole show is an unrecognized satire (he's laughing all the way to the bank, believe me!).


Well, that reflects their culture. U are right , he is making money out of it , and showing u the sick part of pple that live in ur society.

alkser001

Originally posted by Alkaser001
Well, that reflects their culture.

Jerry Springer show participants reflect American culture the same way terrorists reflect Arabic culture - they are a fringe element that horrifies 99% of the rest!

But you can look deeper and see the cultural elements that are being taken to extreme in either case.

by MoonChild:
Jerry Springer show participants reflect American culture the same way terrorists reflect Arabic culture - they are a fringe element that horrifies 99% of the rest!

But you can look deeper and see the cultural elements that are being taken to extreme in either case.

How do u define terrorists?

i'll be waiting.

alkser001

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16176

Jack ,

the question is aimed to MonChild. I have a point to make behaind this.

alkaser001

Originally posted by Alkaser001
How do u define terrorists?


In this case I was referring to people who hijack airplanes and hold the people hostage in order to blackmail a government into doing something (releasing a political prisoner or some such), or drive cars full of explosives into embassies or nightclubs. The terrorists as I think of it rarely (if ever) represent a particular country, but have their own goals.

No need to drag the Israel-Palastine issue into it - as there are "terrorists" on both sides of what is an official war.

I'm not gonna get dragged into an argument about the definition of terrorist - it's not the point of my comment and we could argue endlessly (and unproductively) about the exact definition and who exactly fits it - but to what purpose?

Dear MoonChild,

Are you trying to say that those terror acts are a reflection for our religion and culture? If your answer is yes, than u are absolutely wrong. Those activities that have been done by those extremist groups have nothing to do neither with the meaning of Islam nor with our culture.
We have made it loud and clear that Islam is religion of peace, we’re all human beings and none has been taught in our religion to kill or hate non-muslims.

Terrorists are everywhere, lots of American have done terrorist acts against themselves. What the US has done to Japan is terrorist acts. Israelis bomb innocent Palestinians (that is not terrorist acts to u?)…… how far do u wanna me to go with this, I could go on and on.
So, the point am trying to make is that, u find extremists in every ethnic group and that doesn’t mean that it reflects their religion or culture.
Remember the Colorado bombing by an American, everyone at the time said that it is Arabs who have done it and than ones they found out that it is an American who did it , they shut themselves up and never talked about it for a while. None said that all Christians are terrorist just because a Christian guy did it (who killed hundreds upon hundreds of innocent lives.)

alkaser001

Dear brother.....Alkaser001

Those activities that have been done by those extremist groups have nothing to do neither with the meaning of Islam nor with our culture.
We have made it loud and clear that Islam is religion of peace, we’re all human beings and none has been taught in our religion to kill or hate non-muslims.



You are talking nonsense........and anyone can see you are in denial.......

Of course you are right........to condemm the unfair judgement of Islam as a religion of war and hatred, of course it isn't any more then the Zionist American imperialist thing........

But you are wrong or uninformed to assume that muslims are NOT using Islam to make war.......using the Quran as a guide to fight western countries and muslim countries who work with them.

Just as crazy Christians commit crimes in the name of GOD......using the bible to justify their actions.......

You assume that sinful actions are only in America or western societies....you are wrong......the muslim world is full of the same social problems.....drugs, sexual problems, child abuse, killers, rapists, etc etc.......

So before you put everyone else down or dismiss as ignorant........have a good look at yourselves......

Religion is teaching people to hate on both sides......face it.

Your arguments are always going in circles like a little puppy chasing his tail.....ans Mr. Shamery, please don't get me started on Bangladesh......what a mess!!!

salaam
fatak

Fatak,

are u here to discuss issues and undertsand them or just trying to disrespect pple.

I see the point u're trying to make. U make me sick sir. Have some manner at least. I guess no matter how we try to convince u, u won't get it.

At least see what the Priests have been doing in their churchs. Have a good look at urselves. Suddenly all Priests turned to be child molesters. Way to go.

And now you fall to the level of that!!!!!

That is really sad.......That's very disrespectful.......of Christians.

Please show me a thread of mind that attacks muslims......

You are the one who is attacking different points of views.......because you have no choice, your thinking is one sided...you are seeing things in Black & White only, my friend.

I am willing to see your side of things.......are you willing to see mine.........???

No disrespect intended......brother.

salaam
fatak

Originally posted by fatak
And now you fall to the level of that!!!!!

That is really sad.......That's very disrespectful.......of Christians.

Please show me a thread of mind that attacks muslims......

You are the one who is attacking different points of views.......because you have no choice, your thinking is one sided...you are seeing things in Black & White only, my friend.

I am willing to see your side of things.......are you willing to see mine.........???

No disrespect intended......brother.

salaam
fatak

fatak ... say some thing good or otherwise go and find some new threads to post and leave them alone

Dear brothers Silver Ring and Alkaser001......

Let's try to discuss without insulting.......that's all I ask.........??

We all know about the BAD people......in the world.......they are in all countries.........the muslim world is no different.......So I see NO point in posting examples.......

If you want to do people bashing......leave me out......

I am here to get to know your way of thinking........but is it always like this?

Are you always feeling you are attacked and disrespected when someone have different point of view?

I think a good muslim understands the differences and talks calmly about it....

Let's try again!!?

Salaam
fatak

Originally posted by fatak
Dear brothers Silver Ring and Alkaser001......

Let's try to discuss without insulting.......that's all I ask.........??

We all know about the BAD people......in the world.......they are in all countries.........the muslim world is no different.......So I see NO point in posting examples.......

If you want to do people bashing......leave me out......

I am here to get to know your way of thinking........but is it always like this?

Are you always feeling you are attacked and disrespected when someone have different point of view?

What would be the point?

Salaam
fatak

he is not attacking any one ..
we are here for discussing and never can be debate with out examples ...

aLkaseer is doing a great job....and you attacked HIM in his work .. so just leave them

Where is the person whom these questions are directed to. Is he still alive?!

sanwin25, i don't know where u are from but i would assum that u're american since i saw the flag in ur avator, i might be mistaken, sorry if i am.

No I am not an American. But I support American actions.

Please don't pass such judgments and comments based upon an artical you read somewhere by some author.

I read what is happening in the world today. Tough luck if most bad things happen to be linked to Muslims.

I want to tell you something, i have been reading posts by you for the past couple of days and all i can see is that u have been trying to claim as much faults that u assume that Islam and muslims do, U have got to learn about Islam more bro.

You should have read more than a few days worth. And try reading some of the crap the others post.

Read books about it, inlighten urself.

Funny, I was just about to suggest that to you.

Do you like what u see on TV about ur culture? Do u like Jerry Springers show? I bet u have seen it and u know what it is.

Have u seen the shows where Teenagers, smoke crack, have sex at the age of 11 , i even once saw the show where this 12 years old girl have had sex with more than 42 men. Not to mention , men get married to their mothers and some get married to animals...... etc.

Do you like the sound of that about ur culture?

If you believe that Jerry Springer show represents the average American, you are sadly deluded. Springer picks up the bottom 1% of trailer thrash to put on his show. He is a joke. His show was voted the worst show on TV. What does that tell you.

Granted the show has some tiny bit of entertainment value, but for you to take it seriously, speaks volumes about your grasp on reality.

Do you know, they even made a musical comedy about Springer which is running in the UK. Tharts how funny he is considered.

Islam is clean, Islam is the truth.

Like Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, etc, etc. So whats uniqe about Islam ?


Why do sisters(thats what u call them in churches)wear scarfs?ur answer would by because they are religous and they are following what is mentioned in the Bible, So do Muslim women, they wear scarfs cuz they are religous and faithful, i am just giving an example,

If you are talking about nuns, thats because when they join the religoius order, that is the dress code. Sort of like when you join the army, you need to wear a uniform. And yes, lay women also wear scarves in church. That is because the Church is a place of God and they try to show respect.

All am trying to say here is: Learn, read books, go to mosques and meet with scholars and they will tell u what Islam is all about.

I could advise you to do the same thing.

tell u something, you have freedom in the US but yet you have all sorts of sexual diseases which alhmdulelah we don't have in our islamic country, Does that ring a bill in ur head and tells you why is that? Well, if not then, Muslims follow the Qur'an , words of god, and everything is explained there for us not to commet sins. Cuz whatever sexual disease u get is a sign from ALAH.

You are obviously living on Mars. You have as much sexual disease in Oman and the Middle East. You just love to hide the statistics. Have you read about the Chinese Prostitutes in Oman ? Who do you think are their customers ? Martians ? Have you tried Dubai recently ? Like visiting a multi cusine restaurant. The choice of women you have there is not available even in an advanced country like the US. So what is the UAE ? Christian ?


See how sceintist are suffering , they can't find a cure for Aids. Aids comes from drugs and sex, not mentioning other diseases...HIV...etc. Islam porhibits all that, that's why u see Most Muslims young men get married at young age, have a family and not sleep with 100 girlfriends that most of 'em have HIVS like what most westren do and than they evantually find out that they have a disease , god knows what it is

Which religion encourages premarital sex ? All religions are the same. And followers of all religions are weak and sin. Muslims are no exceptions. Who are the gentlemen in dishdashas on the flights to Bankok ? Why do they change into civilian clothes the moment the plane leaves Omani airspace ? What are they going to Bangkok for ? To see the sights ?

these are facts that you have to look at.

I was just going to reccomend the very same thing to you.

Muslims have love for each other and for other people, but if they notice that someone is trying to take advantage of our faith, we stand up together. We pray in moques together, black and white, which is in contrary with u Christians, The black pple have their own churchs and the white have their own( aren't u supposed to be worshiping one god) why wouldn't u worship together???

That much is clear. MUSLIMS ONLY CARE FOR MUSLIMS. They give a d_mn for others. That to me tells me that there is something wrong with the religion that it can ignore so many people just because they do not worship the same God.

I could go on and on and u wouldn't be able to answer me. I am not trying to offend u (bro or sis). I have the right to defend my religion and my faith.

You can sure try. Just as I have the same rights to defend my religion, faith, beliefs and policical inclinations.

If u are happy about ur religion and u don't wanna seek the truth , well no one can push you, but all am asking is DON"T PASS JUDGMENTS just like that.

What gave you that idea. I am perfectly happy with my beliefs. Are you, that you are so defensive ?

sanwin25,

I posted this thread about a week ago, seems that u have been working on ur homework and u just got done with it.

No I am not an American. But I support American actions.
Would u mind telling us where u from and why u support the american actions. Do you support what america has done to innocent Afganies and Iraqies? I wonder what would be ur reaction if america has done that to India.


I read what is happening in the world today. Tough luck if most bad things happen to be linked to Muslims.

It is our issue and we are dealing with it and we pray Alah almighty to help us through our tough times, not seeking help from you.

You should have read more than a few days worth. And try reading some of the crap the others post.

I think i am smart enough to figure out ur aim without having to run through all ur posts.

Funny, I was just about to suggest that to you.
i will let the members comment on this.


If you believe that Jerry Springer show represents the average American, you are sadly deluded. Springer picks up the bottom 1% of trailer thrash to put on his show. He is a joke. His show was voted the worst show on TV. What does that tell you.
Oh really, Wow, amazing how defensive u become once u wanna be. Jerry springer himself have had so many interviews about his show and he said" i wanna bring what our soceity is hidding behaind closed doors to the public so everyone knows what's that all about", u said he is a joke, for ur information , he was the Maior of a major city in Ohio called"Cincinnati" and recently was running for the Senate. U are just blabling nonsense Mr.

Like Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, etc, etc. So whats uniqe about Islam ?

Islam respect all other religions, and everyone sees his/her religion better than others. We respect ur religions, that doesn't mean we agree with it.

If you are talking about nuns, thats because when they join the religoius order, that is the dress code. Sort of like when you join the army, you need to wear a uniform. And yes, lay women also wear scarves in church. That is because the Church is a place of God and they try to show respect.

Well, Muslim women show respect for god everywhere whether it is in mosques or out there. So, are u saying they show respect in churches only? how about in their daily routine, it is ok to sin??
try not to contradict urself.
Nice analogy, it is a dress code mentioned in the Qur'an and that's what our Muslims sisters are following, obeying the words of Alah.
You are obviously living on Mars. You have as much sexual disease in Oman and the Middle East. You just love to hide the statistics. Have you read about the Chinese Prostitutes in Oman ? Who do you think are their customers ? Martians ? Have you tried Dubai recently ? Like visiting a multi cusine restaurant. The choice of women you have there is not available even in an advanced country like the US. So what is the UAE ? Christian ?
well, for ur information, UAE has about 1.5 million Foreigners out of 2.0 million, and most of the citizens are very religous and they don't live in Dubai, they hate living there because of what u said. Most of the pple live in dubai are indians if u wanna the truth. Also westrens who live in the middle east , they tend to go there for weekends. There are bads and goods everywhere, ur fingures aren't all the same, so u find some trash , u can count them on hands, who go there and do that. For the comments where u said that there are sexual diseases in Oman, well yah, but how many, 3 cases out of 1 million?????? duhhh
come on man, in the Westren countries u find 2 or 3 cases out of 10 pple, who are u kidding.

Which religion encourages premarital sex ? All religions are the same. And followers of all religions are weak and sin. Muslims are no exceptions. Who are the gentlemen in dishdashas on the flights to Bankok ? Why do they change into civilian clothes the moment the plane leaves Omani airspace ? What are they going to Bangkok for ? To see the sights ?

Who says that all religion allow premarital sex, but the question is who is more into their religion and stick not to sin. Yes Omanis and other pple from diff countries go to Bankok, there are million of reason to go there, tourism, medical, ... etc, u can't just judge pple like that man. Haven't i said don't judge pple????? There might be pple who go to sin, but u can't judge a nation of the deeds of couple of sinners.


That much is clear. MUSLIMS ONLY CARE FOR MUSLIMS. They give a d_mn for others. That to me tells me that there is something wrong with the religion that it can ignore so many people just because they do not worship the same God.

U are absolutly wrong man, and if u personally have encountered that is because u met the wrong pple. Alhmdlelah, I have met so many americans and foreingers and then i found out that they have converted to Islam. again, this is what am talking about "Judgin pple from ignorance man". Stop judging and read and learn.


You can sure try. Just as I have the same rights to defend my religion, faith, beliefs and policical inclinations.

U have the right to. But u don't have the right to judge me based on nothing.

I am happy with my religion and Alhmdlelah that i'm a Muslim, i wouldn't have asked for more.

Would u mind telling me again where u from, as i heard that u are indian/canadian? and what religion do u practic?

alkaser001

Nope. I didn't need to work on the reply. I told you I was busy.

Now you will have to wait a bit for me to shoot down your latest pathetic arguments.

Originally posted by sanwin25
Nope. I didn't need to work on the reply. I told you I was busy.

Now you will have to wait a bit for me to shoot down your latest pathetic arguments.

you are buzy in this thread only ? and so free in other threads

Indian/ Canadian?
What does it mean?
Duel citizenship?

Whether I am Indian or Canadian or Bangladeshi has no bearing on this discussion.

Alkaser001,

Do you think Jerry Springer represents western culture to the same degree that Al-Qaida represent Islam?

by mr pinnochio
Alkaser001,Do you think Jerry Springer represents western culture to the same degree that Al-Qaida represent Islam?

Yes for the first part and No for the second part.

Alkaser001Originally posted by Alkaser001
Yes for the first part and No for the second part. Understandable from your reading your post. Have you ever been to the US or even out of Oman?

Have you ever been to a democratic country at all?

What do you base this on?

I see

So, you think that the people on Jerry Springer are a true and accurate reflection of Western Society?

ie you don't think that what occurs on Jerry Springer is in the minority?

I don't look at Al-Qaida and think it reflects all Islam

Alkaser,

1) You wrote - "Aids comes from drugs and sex "

So, chimpanzees had no part at all to play in the origin of HIV/AIDS?

2) You wrote " Most Muslims young men get married at young age, have a family and not sleep with 100 girlfriends that most of 'em have HIVS like what most westren do and than they evantually find out that they have a disease , god knows what it is"

Do you think that Western men sleep with 100 women before they get married?

Do you think that 'most' of us have HIV?

by jack
Understandable from your reading your post. Have you ever been to the US or even out of Oman?

I have lived over 5 years in the US

mr pinnochio,

through out those years in the US , Most americans are just like what i said. For the sake of the argument i braught that example to maintaine some answers from non-muslims and explain that to me. Now, i didn't point out any fingures to anyone of u, but i said, i am living what i say every day, so i am not talking from ignorance. There are other causes for Aids and HIV, and i pointed out some of which cause that. There are good and bad everywhere u go, and of course not all wesrten do the same, but major part of 'em.
Alqaida is a group that doesn't present a country, if Muslims were supporters of such group they would have allowed them to enter their countries instead of making them live in caves.

And if americans weren't supporters of Jerry springers's show( at least some of them) he wouldn't have that massive audiance voting for him to get to the Senate.

am i right?



alkaser001

Originally posted by Alkaser001
Are you trying to say that those terror acts are a reflection for our religion and culture? If your answer is yes, than u are absolutely wrong.

:rolleyes: You got it backwards. I'm saying those terrorist acts are NO MORE a reflection of your culture and religion than the Jerry Springer show is of mainstream American culture (can't say religion, since we don't all have the same one - and I'm guessing most Springer participants don't have any religion a'tall!)

that is, neither group is representative.

Get it now?

MoonChild,

read what i posted above.

OK, so we disagree.

You live in the wrong part of whatever town you are in if those sort of people are your neighbors!!

by MoonChild
OK, so we disagree. You live in the wrong part of whatever town you are in if those sort of people are your neighbors!!

Agreeing and Disagreeing, it is all part of the discussion. Me being in the wrong place, or with group of pple, doesn't always mean that everone who belongs to that group carries their actions and beleives.

U see what am getting at MoonChild, i am glad we are agreeing on one point now. Terroism on the other hand, has nothing to do with Islam.

I am trying to get this into ur mind , like teaching a kid how to walk..... tata tata. Great

Alkaser001

Terroism on the other hand, has nothing to do with Islam.

Au Contraire.

IMHO, terrorism has everything to do with Islam.

Whats that phrase that these terrorists yell when they commit their acts of mass murder ?

Oh yes, Allah U Akbar.

sanwin25,

Get a life. Wanna debate like adults, do it, otherwise, u sound more like a child talking. I wonder how old u are? and what religion u practic to be such close minded person.

I'm a Muslim and i know what my religion stands for, not waiting for someone like u to teach me.

Alah Akbar = Alah is great, we say it in everything we do in our normal life. Also, we say "In the name of alah the most gracious the most merciful" Alah is gracious, Alah is merciful, see how that declares the peace and love from Alah to the human kind. I hope u get it.



alkaser001

Originally posted by Alkaser001
Alah Akbar = Alah is great, we say it in everything we do in our normal life. Also, we say "In the name of alah the most gracious the most merciful" Alah is gracious, Alah is merciful, see how that declares the peace and love from Alah to the human kind. I hope u get it.

That is good, but when the saying is uttered by terrorists while committing the act, then it puts religious implications into their actions, and so as well drag Islam along with them. Note also that these terrorists often say they do these things in the name of Islam. Now, the moderate Muslim is really peace-loving, and in fact many Muslims I know are so. But you cannot deny as well the fact that when this is said by terrorists, then they declare it so in the name of Islam. Does this then in this instance mean a declaration of peace? Clearly not.

Originally posted by Alkaser001
sanwin25,
Well, Muslim women show respect for god everywhere whether it is in mosques or out there. So, are u saying they show respect in churches only? how about in their daily routine, it is ok to sin??
try not to contradict urself.
Nice analogy, it is a dress code mentioned in the Qur'an and that's what our Muslims sisters are following, obeying the words of Alah.


alkaser001
Very good answer Alkaser. You really beat him here.
Waiting for Sanwin's respond on this ;)

Originally posted by Milliardo Peacecraft
That is good, but when the saying is uttered by terrorists while committing the act, then it puts religious implications into their actions, and so as well drag Islam along with them. Note also that these terrorists often say they do these things in the name of Islam. Now, the moderate Muslim is really peace-loving, and in fact many Muslims I know are so. But you cannot deny as well the fact that when this is said by terrorists, then they declare it so in the name of Islam. Does this then in this instance mean a declaration of peace? Clearly not.

There is something called "Jihad" which you failed to understand up to now.

Well, Muslim women show respect for god everywhere whether it is in mosques or out there. So, are u saying they show respect in churches only? how about in their daily routine, it is ok to sin??

Respect isn't only in how one wears clothes, but on how one acts and thinks. There is more to respect than outward appearances. For instance, here in this board, how many of you actually show respect towards others? Or do you mean to tell us that the only way you can show respect is by outward things? God does not look for outward appearances, but the heart. So it is really quite discriminatory to say that non-Muslims do not show respect in their everyday life. In our own way we show respect, and that's what matters.

There is something called "Jihad" which you failed to understand up to now.

Perhaps it would be best to explain it to us then, since what we see is merely senseless violence done in the name of Islam. Even moderate Muslims do not agree with this. Are you one of the moderates, or the loony radicals?

"For instance, here in this board, how many of you actually show respect towards others?"

Nice, we should examine ourselve.

About Jihad, please look to the old thread in religion sabla.
There were few threads on Jihad.
It should be explained to members.

NICE.

You seem to have learned this word recently.

Alkaser001,

What was the name of the trailer park you lived ?

sanwin25
What was the name of the trailer park you lived ?

The trailer park called " AMERICA and the West"

Originally posted by Alkaser001
I am trying to get this into ur mind , like teaching a kid how to walk.....

LOL watch how you speak to your elders, child :)

As you get older and wiser, you will (hopefully) come to realize that adults can disagree without assuming the other person is stupid.

Until that happy day, I see no point in wasting my time on you :rolleyes:

Not a good decision .Please stay with us.

LOL, I was referring to Alkaser, not the whole Sabla.

I'm just so busy I don't have time to spit, much less do a lot of posting :)

Thanks

MoonChild
Until that happy day, I see no point in wasting my time on you


If u calling disagreeing with something is "waste of time", i am sure i have wasted so much of my time on couple of guys here, they know themselves good.

MoonChild, I hope i didn't offend u by anyway, i was trying to make my point as u were trying to make urs.

alkaser001

Well.......

I have a simple question.......?????

After debating with Alkaser001 and Silver Ring......

I wonder if anyone is learning anything constructive about Islam?

I can understand what you say......but it's how you say it........sounds elitist and arrogant....... so even if you have a good message in there......your manners and sense of humor need work.......sorry bro......that's not meant to be insulting, but I imagine you will feel so....

salaam
fatak

by fatak
your manners and sense of humor need work.......sorry bro......that's not meant to be insulting, but I imagine you will feel so....

Fatak,

everyone has his/her own mentality, sense of humor, manner of speaking ...... who're to say the word "manner". There is a place and time to expose ur sense of humor. So, if u don't have anything to reply to the thread, stop being a Philosopher all the sudden.

Well, u're probably seeing these discussions as a joke to u and u want pple to just throw u a joke in the middle of a serious debate, An't happening. I am not offended by what u say, i have seen worse from ya.

Salam
alkaser001

Alkaser001everyone has his/her own mentality, sense of humor, manner of speaking ...... When you said that the Jerry Springer show is an accurate representation of the American public, it's a little difficult to take anything you say serious.

Let's throw another word in there called "credibilty" ;)

Some may think you lack any after that statement and then demanding that it is true. :rolleyes:

Jack
When you said that the Jerry Springer show is an accurate representation of the American public, it's a little difficult to take anything you say serious.

I never said that it is an "accurate representaion".... does that mean i should call u a lier and none should ever read ur threads again????

:rolleyes:

Your right I used the words "accurate representation", that's why you just read back through the whole thread to come up with an answer.

Now that you have read all your post in this thread , what words would you use to describe your reference to the american public?

And am I lieing about what I just said?

by jack
Your right I used the words "accurate representation", that's why you just read back through the whole thread to come up with an answer.Now that you have read all your post in this thread , what words would you use to describe your reference to the american public?And am I lieing about what I just said?


I guess u are the one who read back the whole thread, and u made sure that i didn't use that phrase, now that u done that, hopefully u could realize that u're lieing, first for speaking and putting words in my mouth, second by saying that i read the whole thread just to prove my answer. I think i know what i have been posting in my previous threads, why don't u make sure that u do that too MATE....

alkaser001

second by saying that i read the whole thread just to prove my answer.You do know it is a sin to lie?

Originally posted by sanwin25
Au Contraire.

IMHO, terrorism has everything to do with Islam.

Whats that phrase that these terrorists yell when they commit their acts of mass murder ?

Oh yes, Allah U Akbar.


Sanwin, KKK burn crosses to sympolize their Christian beliefs before their commit their killings and burning of churches. can we say terrorism has everything to do with Christianity?
but hey yet you don't even consider the KKK to be a terrorist group (from a pervious thread). :eyes: :eyes:

you contradict yourself alot Mr.

terrorism got nothing to with islam, christianity, hinduism or any other religion.

1. KKK are a spent force today. They have been dealt with by the forces of the law AND the rest of the Christian Community.

2. The rest of the Christian community has no problem standing up and condemning the actions of the KKK. No IF's or BUT's involved.

3. They DO NOT operate in the name of their religion. They believe in a warped version of Christianity, which is reserved for white people only. Even their symbol is a burning UPSIDE DOWN cross.

I know you are trying hard to equate the KKK/Christianity with the current excesses of your co-religionists today, but that is a long stretch.

Now compare that with 90% of the violence today which is carried out in the name of Islam, which casts the battle in terms of Jihad, Infidel, etc, etc.

Remember that post where I put a picture of these blokes praying before a wall with a picture of a machine gun AND the Quran ?

mr.Sanwin,
You mean "picture of a machine gun" ?

Well there is so much rubbish in what ALk. posts, but I will just deflate one of the several lies.

Oh really, Wow, amazing how defensive u become once u wanna be. Jerry springer himself have had so many interviews about his show and he said" i wanna bring what our soceity is hidding behaind closed doors to the public so everyone knows what's that all about", u said he is a joke, for ur information , he was the Maior of a major city in Ohio called"Cincinnati" and recently was running for the Senate. U are just blabling nonsense Mr.


Here are some facts on Jerry Springer.

After graduating from Northwestern University Law School in 1968, Jerry Springer served in Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign. After Kennedy’s assassination, Jerry began practicing law in Cincinnati.
But his love was politics, and he jumped back into the fray as a leader in the movement to lower the voting age from 21 to 18, he testified before a U.S. Senate committee prior to the 1971 passage of the 26th Amendment, which changed the voting age to 18. In 1971, he ran successfully for Cincinnati’s City Council and served for five successive terms. In 1977, at the age of 33, Jerry became Mayor of Cincinnati with the most votes in the city’s history.
After a Democratic primary bid for Governor of Ohio in 1982, Jerry became a political reporter and commentator for the NBC affiliate in Cincinnati. Over the next 10 years, Springer was the top rated news anchor in the city and the recipient of seven Emmy awards for his nightly commentaries. As anchor, Springer is most proud of his reporting from Ethiopia and Sudan where he documented the efforts to provide assistance to famine-stricken Africans.

The Jerry Springer Show debuted in 1991.

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Note a few things here.

The Springer Show debuted AFTER he completed his terms as mayor. So when people voted for him, he was not yet into his garbage. Also, he was in trouble as mayor when he tried to pay a prostitute with a cheque.

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Back to current times,


Jerry Springer, whose talk show brings foul-mouthed prostitutes, homewreckers and skinheads into living rooms every day, said Wednesday he will not run for the U.S. Senate next year.

Springer had said he would leave his popular TV show if he decided to run for office.

"As long as I'm doing that show, my message, no matter how sincere and no matter how heartfelt, does not get through to the people I need to reach," he said at a
news conference.

Springer, a Democrat who served as mayor of Cincinnati from 1978-81, had said he would quit his show should he run for the Senate seat held by Republican George Voinovich.

Springer, 59, said he spent about $1 million of his own money crisscrossing Ohio the last six months, speaking at Democratic dinners and gauging support for a Senate bid. He had said he would run if he could "break through the clutter of the show" and be a formidable candidate.

"That separation obviously hasn't taken place and would not take place in time for this election," he said, his voice occasionally breaking.

For three weeks, Springer also has been raising money through a Web site. He said all contributions would be returned, but he did not know how much has been raised.

An Ohio Poll conducted by the University of Cincinnati in February found 71% of those surveyed had an unfavorable opinion of Springer, the highest such number since the poll began tracking that information in 1989.

The Jerry Springer Show began in 1991 when talk shows flooded the airwaves. Its ratings increased as topics and guests became raunchier and chair-tossing brawls became more frequent.

The show's lineup of pimps, strippers, cheating spouses and too-friendly relatives is accompanied by a bleep-filled soundtrack that drowns out the obscenities.

Some Democrats saw Springer as an embarrassment to the party, while others said he could have provided a boost to a party that has lost every statewide nonjudicial election since 1992.

Two other Democrats have said they will seek the party's nomination in the 2004 race. Polls this spring placed state Sen. Eric Fingerhut, a former congressman from Cleveland, well ahead of Springer among Democratic voters.

Fingerhut said Springer's flirtation with the Senate run cost his campaign three months of attracting attention to issues he is promoting.

"I've made clear throughout the last few months that I thought his candidacy was bad for Ohio," Fingerhut said.

Former Cleveland City Council member Norbert Dennerll, 74, also said he will run.

No other Democrats have indicated a desire to take on the popular Voinovich, who has dominated Ohio politics for the last 13 years.

James Thurber, a political science professor at American University in Washington, D.C., said Springer's decision is good news for Democrats.

"The fewer flakes that are running, the better off that is for the party," said Thurber, who specializes in Congress.

Springer entered politics in his adopted hometown of Cincinnati in the 1970s, serving on the City Council before becoming mayor in 1978. The spiciest episode of his political career came when he paid a prostitute with a check while on the council.

After he finished third in the 1982 Democratic primary for governor, Springer quit politics and joined a Cincinnati television station as a news anchor and commentator before starting his talk show.

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So Alk, as you can see, Jerry Springer does not represent American culture.

Try it, thinking like an adult is not too difficult.

I also wanted to comment, that Oman must be a pretty gay country, what with all those young gentlemen with long hair and colourful dishdasha ? I am sure they represent the majority of your country.

sanwin25,

so u basically have noting to say, all u could come up with is "copy and paste" after all these days of anticipation for a logic replication from u??

do u even know who wrtoe the article :rolleyes:

Alkaser001..I am tired of your weak representations of Islam.

I demand that you open a threat......let it be the mother of all threats.....

I will debate with you on any point of Islam......bring it on......

You do NOT represent what is ISALAM>your attitude sucks....

Let's go......enough of the tits for tats..

I challenge you and your vision of Islam........just you and me......

Can you talk the talk???

Put up or shut your hoummous hole..I am tired of your whinning...

PS..make my day,,,,,,

salaam
fatak

by fatak
Alkaser001..I am tired of your weak representations of Islam.I demand that you open a threat......let it be the mother of all threats....I will debate with you on any point of Islam......bring it on.......You do NOT represent what is ISALAM>your attitude sucks....I challenge you and your vision of Islam........just you and me......Put up or shut your hoummous hole..I am tired of your whinning...

I wonder whose attitude suck. Couldn't handle it here??? well, too bad then, u are not going to be able to handle let else where MR. Whether my attitude suck or not, u are tripping buddy. Couldn't handle the pressure and u running out of words.

I'll give u the honor to open a thread. Oh, maybe u are too tired of my whinning. Get urself used to debating then come to me.

And why don't I debate u on any point of the religion u practic as well. That would be very nice so pple could read some logical answers from Mr.Fatak (dirty mouth).

alkaser001

Ok......I am up for it.......

There's only room for one Islamslinger in this sabla.......shoot me down......and I am outta here......

You take the bullet.........you hit the trail......

Ok......

PS.get your Quran out and get ready for a ride.......you in**** me again though....and I am gonna kick your ***#.......

salaam
fatak

Originally posted by fatak
Well.......

I have a simple question.......?????

After debating with Alkaser001 and Silver Ring......

I wonder if anyone is learning anything constructive about Islam?

I can understand what you say......but it's how you say it........sounds elitist and arrogant....... so even if you have a good message in there......your manners and sense of humor need work.......sorry bro......that's not meant to be insulting, but I imagine you will feel so....

salaam
fatak

i dont know whats your piont here ?

any way .. if you noticed that always we use to open a threads calling christians to convert to our great religion Islam ,while they never did ,

atleast here we must taught u some thing ;)

if

both of you guys are punks!!!!!

You make Islam sound boring and stupid!!!

salam
fatak

Ok......I am up for it.......
There's only room for one Islamslinger in this sabla.......shoot me down......and I am outta here......
You take the bullet.........you hit the trail......
Ok......
PS.get your Quran out and get ready for a ride.......you in**** me again though....and I am gonna kick your ***#.......

No comments, i will let the members judge on this one. What a poor mentality.

Remember, we are not playing a football game here, no need to be all upset and offensive. Now, that i have seen the last post from ya, i wonder who wants to debate u.

alkaser001

so u basically have noting to say, all u could come up with is "copy and paste" after all these days of anticipation for a logic replication from u??


Nope you genius, my response was to your idiotic claim that the Jerry Springer represnts the majority of America.

Of course I should have know that your teenie weenie brain, shrunken by all those years of Islamic indoctrination, would have a difficult time comprehending that.

why can't we have a mature discussion. it's ok to disagree but there's no need for all to be abusive. this is why i hate visting the religion and politics sablas.

it's really shame cause down deep i know all of you are nice people and you come in this place to learn and chill but instead the majority act out of character by being abusive.

Yes, I agree.......it's a time for reflection.......

I forgive you Alkaser001.......

Salaam
fatak

by fatak
I forgive you Alkaser001.......

what did i ever do to u ,to say that u have forgiven me? :rolleyes: