Voice for Muslim women terrorised by their families

INTELLIGENT and attractive, 20-year-old Sabatina James should have a bright future to look forward to - but instead she lives in fear with round-the-clock police protection because of threats to her life.

Now she has decided to tell the world about the death threat that hangs over her, not from an abusive spouse or a local thug, but from her family and much of the Muslim community of Linz in Austria.

She has published a book entitled, Sabatina: From Islam To Christianity - A Death Sentence, in which she describes her father’s death threats, which he made under the Muslim laws of Sharia.

James comes from a Muslim family but attempted to convert to Christianity, a decision which met with extreme hostility from her parents - the kind of hostility that made the headlines in the UK last week when Muslim father Abdalla Yones was jailed for life for the murder of his daughter Heshu. He stabbed her 11 times after she struck up a relationship with a Christian.

The book has made James a figurehead for persecuted women in Austria and Germany, but has also forced her to live under constant police protection at her home in the Austrian capital Vienna. She said: "The fear is still there. The fear that my parents could murder me under the laws of Sharia."

She also told how she learned of her father’s plan to get her grandfather from Pakistan to carry out her death sentence. He told her: "Your grandfather is already an old man and will die soon. It wouldn’t bother him to spend time in an Austrian jail."

James moved to Austria aged 10 with her mother Fatima, her brothers Hassan and Adnan and her younger sister Aisha, after her father got a job on a construction site in a small rural village. The family seemed to settle into their new life, except for her mother, who flatly rejected the "immoral Austrian culture".

However, their new lives changed dramatically four years later when they moved to the cosmopolitan city of Linz. There James began to develop an independent streak and wished to look and behave more like her western classmates.

"For this she was beaten up at home to such an extent that social services had to intervene," said James’ publisher Josef Kleindienst.

At 16, James took part in a family holiday back to Pakistan where she was told she was to marry her cousin, Salman. When she refused, her family sent her to a Koran school to learn how to become a "decent Muslim".

Only when she agreed to marry once her education was complete was she allowed back to Austria.

But after her return her previous feelings returned and after conversing with a classmate about God she began to read the Bible for the first time.

James said: "I was amazed at the differences between the Bible and the Koran. The Bible spoke of love and forgiveness, but only Mohammed’s severity was conveyed in the Koran.

"The turning point for me was the Bible’s attitude towards women. There were no commandments that said women were put on this earth to serve men."

Of her future she said: "I don’t know what will happen to me. All I can do is wait and hope that one day Christians and Muslims will understand each other better."

Austrian author, Guenther Ahmed Rusznak who converted from Islam to Catholicism and tried to arbitrate between Sabatina and her father, said what made the threat worse was that a large part of Austria’s Muslim community agreed. He said: "Ninety-nine per cent of the Islamic Community here in Linz condemn this girl, calling her a *****. This is ghastly."

http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/international.cfm?id=1102842003

When will these people step into the modern world, I really wonder.

Apostasy in arabic (irtidad) is punishable by death in Islam

"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." Surah An-Nisa', 4:137.

"Kill those who believe in many gods" (Sura al-Tawba 9:5)

Apostates have been rarely executed in the 21st century. However, what Sabatina James Muslim parents might feel "a powerful sense of rage...when one of their members forsakes the community." They consider it a profound insult to Allah and to all Muslims when an individual changes in their beliefs and religion

So you agree with the killing the person who decides to leave Islam ?

Why would a loving God like Allah want to kill someone who changes their mind ?

And yet all you guys bring fairy tales about people who join Islam and crow that there are no stories about people leaving Islam ? Maybe now you know the answer.

Kill those who believe in many gods

Surely this could not be a quote from the religion of peace ?

Kill, Jihad, Rifles, Patriotism, Martyr .... blah-de-blah.

It all amounts to killing someone!

:rolleyes:

I guess some people are still stuck in 700 AD.

Originally posted by sanwin25
So you agree with the killing the person who decides to leave Islam ?

Why would a loving God like Allah want to kill someone who changes their mind ?

And yet all you guys bring fairy tales about people who join Islam and crow that there are no stories about people leaving Islam ? Maybe now you know the answer.



Surely this could not be a quote from the religion of peace ?

bcuz those who converted to christian knows very well that islam is the real religion .

believe me when u become a muslim u 'll understand and u 'll come to know that u were so ...bcuz of not embracing ISLAM

bcuz those who converted to christian knows very well that islam is the real religion .

Spoken like the true ignoramus you are.

Originally posted by sanwin25
Spoken like the try ignoramus you are.


that was only the true

Wardat_il'7leejOriginally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
Apostasy in arabic (irtidad) is punishable by death in Islam

"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." Surah An-Nisa', 4:137.

"Kill those who believe in many gods" (Sura al-Tawba 9:5)

Apostates have been rarely executed in the 21st century. However, what Sabatina James Muslim parents might feel "a powerful sense of rage...when one of their members forsakes the community." They consider it a profound insult to Allah and to all Muslims when an individual changes in their beliefs and religion What would you do, if this was your daughter? What would any of the Muslims here do, if this was your daughter?

Originally posted by jack
Wardat_il'7leejWhat would you do, if this was your daughter? What would any of the Muslims here do, if this was your daughter?
There is something u must now. " in order to be a good Muslim u must love Allah and his Prophet Mohammed more than u love any one els

Originally posted by SadLad
There is something u must now. " in order to be a good Muslim u must love Allah and his Prophet Mohammed more than u love any one els So out of your love for God, you would kill your daughter?

And you really think this is what God wants you to do?

I am truely at a lost for words!

Originally posted by jack
So out of your love for God, you would kill your daughter?

And you really think this is what God wants you to do?

I am truely at a lost for words!

I'm not sure about the Islamic laws regarding that girl but If god is the most and top one u love then u would not mind sacrificing by ur soul or ur daughter's soul in order to make Him pleased with u.

Originally posted by SadLad
I'm not sure about the Islamic laws regarding that girl but If god is the most and top one u love then u would not mind sacrificing by ur soul or ur daughter's soul in order to make Him pleased with u. Your soul is one thing if you choose, but your daughters soul is hers and not yours to take.

You truely are a SadLad :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jack
Your soul is one thing if you choose, but your daughters soul is hers and not yours to take.

You truely are a SadLad :rolleyes:
No Mr. my daughter's soul is Allah's soul before being hers and I'm sure that Allah wont ask us to do any thing unless there is a porpose behind it.
B.T.W what made u so sure that i'm truely a Sad Lad?;)

Originally posted by SadLad
No Mr. my daughter's soul is Allah's soul before being hers and I'm sure that Allah wont ask us to do any thing unless there is a porpose behind it.
B.T.W what made so sure that i'm truely a Sad Lad?;) Let's just hope God never allows you to have a daughter then.

In another thread you asked if the Devil really looked like that. Kill your daughter and you will find out what the Devil looks like.

You are obviously brain washed or don't have a brain at all.

Originally posted by jack
Wardat_il'7leejWhat would you do, if this was your daughter? What would any of the Muslims here do, if this was your daughter?

I dont know what i would do since i cant imagine facing such a situation. I guess the easiest thing is to dis-own her, since i think killing is sooo not in me or too extreme of an action for such an issue

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
Kill, Jihad, Rifles, Patriotism, Martyr .... blah-de-blah.

It all amounts to killing someone!

:rolleyes:

and your point being???

Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
I dont know what i would do since i can imagine facing such a situation i guess the simplest thing is to dis-own her, since i think killing is sooo not in me or to extreme of an action for such an issue I don't agree, but this is an answer I can live with. ;)

Originally posted by jack
I don't agree, but this is an answer I can live with. ;)

Glad to have made your day :)

Originally posted by jack
Let's just hope God never allows you to have a daughter then.

:eyes:
Originally posted by jack

In another thread you asked if the Devil really looked like that. Kill your daughter and you will find out what the Devil looks like.

let me just clear something for u. Iknow it's very very difficult to any one to kill his/her daughter or see her being killed and i hope no one will ever be under such circumstances. But suppose i have been under such circumstances, Shall I please my god or my daughter? My god is more important for me than my daughter and i have no doubt about Islam as a true religon and its wisdom so i better obey what god asked me to do and i wont be the one who kills her because she must be killed by the judge and not by me eventhough u may think it's the same. That's if that country practice Islamic rules or laws and if it's really one of the Islamic laws. As I said before i'm not sure about the islamic laws regarding that girl.
Originally posted by jack

You are obviously brain washed or don't have a brain at all.

Thank u a lot that reveals ur high level of respect and and understanding.

Allah can deal with your daughters soul.

You need to deal with your own.

You are truely a sad example of what is wrong with the Islamic faith.

Originally posted by sanwin25
Allah can deal with your daughters soul.

You need to deal with your own.

You are truely a sad example of what is wrong with the Islamic faith.

Sanwin what i think sadlad was trying to say is that God can be the judge as to what should happen to his ''daughter''

Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
Apostasy in arabic (irtidad) is punishable by death in Islam
Ops ... it looks like I am going to be next in line ....:D
So people if I don't show up in Sabla..... you know what happened:eek:

LooL @ Seham
well 9ara7a this is getting a bit scary for me too, now lately I have been asking my teachers at skool and adults n even teens all around me abt stuff in Islam which I think are wrong
and they are like: ooh now you are becoming a kafraa, mortdaa!!
so advice to any1 (including myself) if ya after a long search realized islam isnt the right religion and decided 2 convert DO NOT tell any1 or ya will be killed for sure..

Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
I dont know what i would do since i cant imagine facing such a situation. I guess the easiest thing is to dis-own her, since i think killing is sooo not in me or too extreme of an action for such an issue

Hmmm, first you say that killing your daughter is what Allah commands you to do (quoting the Suras), then you say that would be "too extreme" and you'd rather take the easier path of dis-owning her.

You are saying that you both believe Allah commands you to kill your child, AND that killing your child is too extreme. Which is it?

Is there a Sura that describes how Allah will punish you for failing to kill your child, should she convert to another religion?

Or do you not believe the Sura are correct, after all?

did you even think about this?

If you kill someone while they are an un-believer, YOU have condemned them to eternal Hell. But if you let them live, they have another opportunity to come back to Islam, and thus enter Heaven. Why would you deny them the opportunity?

How does one know when Allah wants you to be His executioner?

True, Moonie.

Reading SadLad's comments, I wanted to ask him why he felt, it was in his hands to sacrifice his daughters soul?

Why not his own instead of his daughter's sins? (if they were sins, in the first place)

Actually, isn't that why judgement day is in the place? If muslims take everything to their own hands, then what's God and judgement day for?

Originally posted by Wardat_il'7leej
Sanwin what i think sadlad was trying to say is that God can be the judge as to what should happen to his ''daughter''
Yes u r right, but will Sanwin ever understand?

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
True, Moonie.

Reading SadLad's comments, I wanted to ask him why he felt, it was in his hands to sacrifice his daughters soul?

Why not his own instead of his daughter's sins? (if they were sins, in the first place)

Actually, isn't that why judgement day is in the place? If muslims take everything to their own hands, then what's God and judgement day for?
Well.....seems lots people r missunderstanding me here ....hmmmmm....I did not say nor declare that my daughter's soul is in my hand IT'S IN ALLAH'S HAND...Allah has given her this soul and he is free to take it whenever He wants and if the Quran says that she must be killed be careful just if then it is Allah's will to her to be killed as the Quran is Allah's book.......and it must be her soul and not mine because every one is resposible to what he does unless he /she is not mature enough or mentally ill "Every soul will be (held) in pledge for its deeds"

And another case of "honor killing". I just don't see the honor in this at all. :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/07/honor.killing.reut/index.html

These are the cases that are reported in countries that don't allow this behavior. Just imagine how much this goes on in countries that do allow this behavior. :bang: