I don't know why people take this topic sensitively!!!
What I need to know is Y ppl followed different mathhabs after our prophit death?? & were these math'habs existed in prophit Mahammed's (PBUH)life??

El 7elwa u r the one who is allwayz sensitive.

ofcourse mathahib didnt exist when the prophet was alive.we the shee3a believe that Ali should have been the first kalifa but the other dude took over first...but anyway he became a kailfa later on...I think he is the 4th....well.....when ali died one of his sons should have been the next kalifa...one was poisned and the other got his head chopped off....the dude who ordered the killing took over. Because of greedy people we muslims split into 2 groups.....sunnah and shi3a.

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One thing I dont like about these threads is people start asking obvious questions....or make up stuff about other mathahib.....and try very hard to prove them wrong......we are not competing here....If I sense any hatered or sarcasm...I will not participate in this thread.

Originally posted by qais
El 7elwa u r the one who is allwayz sensitive.

ofcourse mathahib didnt exist when the prophet was alive.we the shee3a believe that Ali should have been the first kalifa but the other dude took over first...but anyway he became a kailfa later on...I think he is the 4th....well.....when ali died one of his sons should have been the next kalifa...one was poisned and the other got his head chopped off....the dude who ordered the killing took over. Because of greedy people we muslims split into 2 groups.....sunnah and shi3a.

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One thing I dont like about these threads is people start asking obvious questions....or make up stuff about other mathahib.....and try very hard to prove them wrong......we are not competing here....If I sense any hatered or sarcasm...I will not participate in this thread.

Who said that I'm sensitive??:duh:

Yah I know that shee3a belive that Ali should have been the first Khalifa??!!But ppl who are shee3a said so, not in the Holy Quran or either our prophit said that??!!
Also in your athaan "call for pray" u say the Name of Ali instead of Prophit Mohammed!!! Do u think this is right??

About the second thing I'm not very sure about, the ppl who r trying to appear them selves the right & prove the other wrong r not logical ppl..... I'll talk about this later as it is a big issue..

Note: I'm not attacking any Mathhab here cauz I have friends from all mathahib & I respect them, but they really think differently.

I myself don't understand why we follow different paths, but the most important thing is that we all believe in Allah and his prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him)..

As for your question whether there was this kind of thing when our prophet was alive: NO .. this has been diverted after the death of our Prophet.

There are some people who took a different path after the prophet's death, it is true that we are all Muslims at the end, but is the title only enough? How do you know that what you practise is correct? Why should YOU be the right one? How come the rest of the Muslim's are all different from you? What guarantees that you are RIGHT?

Well sister ... Mathahib is a very long issue.

As i always say that the problem is not in being different, but the problem exists when members of one math-hab say that the peopl of another mathhab are KUffar. This is the spark of the problem.

Maybe i will talk about the Ibhadi math-hab in another thread, then anyone from another mathhab can talk about his mathab.

I guess i have to mention that some of the mathahib say very strange things and are not accepted what so ever ... such as those who say that Allah has legs and hands (asta'3firu allah).
While he says about him self that there is nothing like him.

Qais ... i think you should be more respectful to Kulafaa such as Abu-Baker and istead of calling him dude call him by his name. Just a reminder !

The reason I talked about this issue, to make the new generation more open mind about it & get ride from all these barriers that appears between all muslims & isolate them...
I'm abadhi & I have nothing against other math'habs & my friends too, we don't do as many ppl act when they have a religious Q ( Asking only a person from our math'hab & take what he siad even if it didn't convinced us!!!) No, we take answers from any person with out asking about his/her mathhab & take the answer which satified us.....
So I've never thought that my math'hab is perfect & the others are fake or some thing...we all r muslims & we should not let such things isolate us & make us fight for stupid reasons!!!!:duh: ppl use your mind beside your faith.

God guide all of us to the right path...

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
Well sister ... Mathahib is a very long issue.

As i always say that the problem is not in being different, but the problem exists when members of one math-hab say that the peopl of another mathhab are KUffar. This is the spark of the problem.

These ppl who have no confidence on them selves & always try to point at other ppl as they are guilty!!!
Originally posted by Guwantanamist

Maybe i will talk about the Ibhadi math-hab in another thread, then anyone from another mathhab can talk about his mathab..
Personally I think it is better to talk what is common between our math'habs & what the small issues are we different in??

Originally posted by Guwantanamist

I guess i have to mention that some of the mathahib say very strange things and are not accepted what so ever ... such as those who say that Allah has legs and hands (asta'3firu allah).
While he says about him self that there is nothing like him.
Exactly!! this is Y I said ppl use your mind beside your belifes & don't follow what ppl in your math'habs say blindly, cauz they are humen being & they make mistacks.

Originally posted by Guwantanamist

Qais ... i think you should be more respectful to Kulafaa such as Abu-Baker and istead of calling him dude call him by his name. Just a reminder !
With all my respect to bro qais, he is not the only one I've heard saying the same from shee3ah!! I wounder Y?!! Maybe they are just telling what they have heard, but not all shee3ah belive the same, I know many of them who don't follow every thing blindly in their math'hab cauz they are not convinced by it.
Q for u qais: In the Holy Quran is written that we have to pray 5 times & in our prophit hadeeths too, & it is more clear in Al ESRAA WA Al ME2RAG...So how do u explain that SOME she3aa pray only 3 times???

Originally posted by el7ilwa

Q for u qais: In the Holy Quran is written that we have to pray 5 times & in our prophit hadeeths too, & it is more clear in Al ESRAA WA Al ME2RAG...So how do u explain that SOME she3aa pray only 3 times???

I cant believe how ignorant some muslims are. We pray 5 times a day just like your mom and dad.

If your talking about jam3 than I wont answer you cause we have answered this question a million....look at previous threads opened by Lipton icetea.

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sorry for being disrespectful towards khalifas....wont happen again my bro Guwantanamist.

there in no right mathab to me.
All of us pray,fast, go to hajj one day,give zakka etc... They way we do these things can be slightly different......

Originally posted by qais
I cant believe how ignorant some muslims are. We pray 5 times a day just like your mom and dad.

If your talking about jam3 than I wont answer you cause we have answered this question a million....look at previous threads opened by Lipton icetea.

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Didn't know that before, so all of shee3ah pray 5 times a day or some of them only??
The prb we can't discuss any thing with shee3ah espacially about their math'hab!! I don't know Y:confused: , when we ask them a small Q they act like the FBI & CIA when they don't want to share their info with any body???:lost:

Oops, u said up there Jam3....aha so they pray 5 prayers but in the 3 times a day... Y as long as they are at home they pray jam3?? If I can ask u ya3nee bro?

El7ilwa, we pray 5 times a day, just like qais said, NO one prays only three prayers, it's just that we do the jam3, and like qais said, we've talked about this many times. We can pray them all seperatly, no problem at all, and there are many who do that. It's just that.

And we're cool, not over sensitive at all!;)

Its OK dear brother Qais, we all muslims are brother and it is th task of each and every one of us to guide each other to the right path.

Personally I think it is better to talk what is common between our math'habs & what the small issues are we different in??

A lot of our Imams (A2ima) have pointed clearly on our view towards other mathahib. Take for Example Noor Eldeen Al-salmi.... he says ;
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That is we are not asking the muslims (to be muslims) other than the believe that there is One God and that Mohammed (PBUH) is the messanger from Allah.

Maybe i should also point out on what Ali Yahya Muamar said , he is an Ibhadi from Lebya and said in the introduction of one of his books ; (this is my own translation);

Mathhabiya will not be overcome by power of the prove nor by physical power. Nor it will be overcome by law, but instead these will only make it worst since everyone will stick to what he says even if it was wrong. Mathhabiya will be over come by three ways;
1) By knowing the believe of each other and understand why they stick to it
2) By getting to know each other closely so that we will be worshiping Allah as groups no matter what was your mathhab
3) By accepting the others and giving them what you give your self of just.
By this everyone will love the other and everyone will automatically follow what is right and will not be afraid of being accused that he left one mathhab and went to another.


I also think that this is the best way to overcome this problem, but unfortunately there are people who do not want the muslims to be bonded together. I personally lived some of these examples when i visit cosines out side Oman. They talk - for example- about Sheikh Ahmed Khalili by words a real muslim would not say about his brother (although they say they are good muslims and have beard !)

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
Mathhabiya will be over come by three ways;
1) By knowing the believe of each other and understand why they stick to it
2) By getting to know each other closely so that we will be worshiping Allah as groups no matter what was your mathhab
3) By accepting the others and giving them what you give your self of just.
By this everyone will love the other and everyone will automatically follow what is right and will not be afraid of being accused that he left one mathhab and went to another.

They talk - for example- about Sheikh Ahmed Khalili by words a real muslim would not say about his brother (although they say they are good muslims and have beard !)

Assalamu Alikum all..

Brother Gwanta.. I agree with these points. We should All respect each other and give what you give your self of just.

I agree with you that there are lots who talk about our mufty with bad words and the madh-hab in general without respect. I also found that ibadhi people are open to all the madhahib and read from all without any fear. While lots of others dont even want to read about ibadhiya or even see the common side and that the rest (like kaft in prayer) are only small things to differ.

May Allah guide us the right path "Ameen"

to me .. all mathahibs are right and am open to accept anything from any mathhab as long as it makes sense to me.

For example, last year mux explained praying on natural ground. I find that intresting and I like the idea because it makes you so humble infront of Allah.

Why people followed mathahib?

there is a battle called "mawqiaat al jamal" and in that incidents muslims we divided into groups. This happened after Prophet's death.
Every Mathhab explains the incident from thier point of view .. and tell you who is right and who is wrong!

There were alot of things that were wrong islamilcy that happened after that, like killing the two grandsons of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) and hanging the head of hussain in dumscus .. thats not Islamic at all!!

Originally posted by Arabian Princess


For example, last year mux explained praying on natural ground. I find that intresting and I like the idea because it makes you so humble infront of Allah.



It's called "turba" I believe and they bring it from a special place not any place in the earth. And some of them put a tissue when they pray in the mosque, why?

Originally posted by Dr N
El7ilwa, we pray 5 times a day, just like qais said, NO one prays only three prayers, it's just that we do the jam3, and like qais said, we've talked about this many times. We can pray them all seperatly, no problem at all, and there are many who do that. It's just that.

And we're cool, not over sensitive at all!;)

Yah I've just knew that, so where u have discussed this topic so I can read it plz??
Do u know some thing I was just with my friend who is shee3e & I've asked her some Qs I've heard about shee3ah, but I found that most of things which I've heard r not true about shee3a!!!!!:eyes: & ppl just make them up or I don't know?!!!
So I think asking is better way to know the truth instead beliving what ppl say.

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
Qais ... i think you should be more respectful to Kulafaa such as Abu-Baker and istead of calling him dude call him by his name. Just a reminder ! [/B]

not qias only , she.aa said that the problem with kulafaa alrashdeen not with muslims . .

and when Ali (karram
ALLAh wajha ) dead they said one of his sons should be khulefah .., if that was according to islam then where is ((al-mshoorah)) in islam ???


recently..one of my friends was shee'a ..and he converted to sunna alhamdullah

Originally posted by el7ilwa
Yah I've just knew that, so where u have discussed this topic so I can read it plz??
Do u know some thing I was just with my friend who is shee3e & I've asked her some Qs I've heard about shee3ah, but I found that most of things which I've heard r not true about shee3a!!!!!:eyes: & ppl just make them up or I don't know?!!!
So I think asking is better way to know the truth instead beliving what ppl say.

can you mention them
and they 'll correct it. if it was false

No, the initial thing is to pray on something natural (or this what I understod). The turba thing is just bringing it from Karbala its a place where a battle happened (dont know which one can somone enlight me about it)

I liked the first part, coz it makes you so humble infront of Allah, though I dont agree on the second part its not a big deal after all.

SR, I hate alot somone saying that this person converted from this mathahab to the other, its not converting at all because he is still muslim and his faith did not change. It is just a change in some idea and thats it!!!

i really dont get why some are so fast to assume that shee3as are soo different and are the weird ones. it really can be annoying sometimes ..especially when some look down on you just cause u're following a sector u believe in.

as qais said.. we do everything like the rest.. there might be some slight differences here and there..but in the end we follow the same rules and its all towards allah .

Originally posted by Dr N
El7ilwa, we pray 5 times a day, just like qais said, NO one prays only three prayers, it's just that we do the jam3,

Dr N, Can you explain to me why you need to combine (jam3) the 5 prayers to 3, knowing that the 5 daily prayers are linked with time (mawaqeet)?

Silver_rings: you mention them
and they 'll correct it. if it was false
Yah I said that my friend who is shee3y told me that what I've heard is wrong & corrected me, thanx any way :).

recently..one of my friends was shee'a ..and he converted to sunna alhamdullah
Here what we r trying to do, is to get ride of these differences & choose the best & the convenice thing, not to change your math'hab or what ever....I'm still saying we r muslims.

Arabian:No, the initial thing is to pray on something natural (or this what I understod). The turba thing is just bringing it from Karbala its a place where a battle happened (dont know which one can somone enlight me about it)

I liked the first part, coz it makes you so humble infront of Allah, though I dont agree on the second part its not a big deal after all.

Yah it is modesty, but who came up with this idea?? It has to be a person like us, not in the holy Quran or even Haddeths!!!
Humen being who made us isolated from each other, but the Holy Quran & sunna will make us come togeather again.


i really dont get why some are so fast to assume that shee3as are soo different and are the weird ones. it really can be annoying sometimes ..especially when some look down on you just cause u're following a sector u believe in.

Who said that ppl from other sector look down on shee3ah?? I think & what I belive most shee3a r so sensitive & don't talk abouttheir worshipping infront of ppl from other sector I don't know Y, so of my closest shee3ey friends told me that, but couldn't ask them for furthur info. NaBHaN they think shee3ah different cauz they have many things different from sunny & abadhy, for example: they mention Ali more than they mention prophit Mohammed & wounder Y??!!
They have a pic for him in their houses &....u can say the rest!!
They pray not as the way our prophit told us, the idea of putting Turbah from karbala is new & ppl who found it!!!
So shee3ah are muslims if they just didn't follow all the ideas some of ppl came up with, cauz alah will accept your pray with out putting such things & with out moderator.
Not: I'm not attacking shee3h at all & I respect them, but looking for a good & brainwashed discussion.

Cheers

Originally posted by el7ilwa

They have a pic for him in their houses

i dont recall having a picture of him in my house. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by el7ilwa


Here what we r trying to do, is to get ride of these differences & choose the best & the convenice thing, not to change your math'hab or what ever....I'm still saying we r muslims.


el7ilwa I don't think the differences between matha'hib will be removed just like that. The important thing is not to let those differences to affect the unity of muslims, becuase this is what enemies of Islam trying to do. They know this issue is the weak point in muslims, thats why in Iraq they tried to create problems between the sunnah and shi3ah by killing on of shi3a leaders (Mohamed Baker Al-Hakeem). Same thing in Palestine they created what is called the road map, and thy put a rule in it saying the PLO must get rid of the millitary groups like "Hamaas, Al Jihad, etc) and take their weopons, so basically they want the muslims in Palestine to kill each other.

Originally posted by IceTea


el7ilwa I don't think the differences between matha'hib will be removed just like that. The important thing is not to let those differences to affect the unity of muslims, becuase this is what enemies of Islam trying to do. They know this issue is the weak point in muslims, thats why in Iraq they tried to create problems between the sunnah and shi3ah by killing on of shi3a leaders (Mohamed Baker Al-Hakeem). Same thing in Palestine they created what is called the road map, and thy put a rule in it saying the PLO must get rid of the millitary groups like "Hamaas, Al Jihad, etc) and take their weopons, so basically they want the muslims in Palestine to kill each other. [/B]
Exactly, this is Y I'm saying getting ride from the huge differences, not all of them if it's difficult...but becauz now we r in the 21 century so we have to use our mind to solve all of our prbs logicaly.