In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.


This Hubal was a moon god.


One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:


About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)


The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".


"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad was born in 610 AD.


There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".


When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".


Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.


Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.


Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.



ANy comments on this?

Cheers
fatak

Have you gone here (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14351&)?

It might quench your thirst for a bit.

This is totallly wrong.
Al-ilah means the God .. Allah its an "islamic" name for God.
Allah was not used before Islam, the paginsim gods could have been refered as "al aliha" which is the pluran for Ilah!

The crecent is not a necessery Islamic symbol. Nethier the Islam nor Quran regard it as an Islamic Symbol.
I clearly dont know where did this symbol came from but I assume it rerfers to the Hijri calnder which depends on the moon.

total crap and "Çááå" name was not known to anyone b4 Islam i don't believe anything that in here come on give me a break what is this another attepmt to weaken our faith in Allah? :angre:

fatak, when are you going to post such crap, I hope no body is paying you to do so.

Allah is the islamic name for "God".

Brother.......please understand the following........
When group of people holds a conviction which according to you is wrong, and holds certain persons in high esteem which according to you is not deserved by them, then it will not be justified in Islam that you use abusive language for them and thus injure their feelings. Islam does not prohibit people from holding debate and discussion on religious matters, but it wants that these discussions should be conducted in decency. "Do not argue with the people of the Book unless it is in the politest manner" (29:46)-says the Quran. This order is not merely limited to the people of the Scriptures, but applies with equal force to those following other faiths.

Cheers
fatak

This is the standard response of many muslims on this board when faced with facts or theories, based on scientific evidence (including archaelogical or etiological), which contradict what they have been taught.

We are constantly accused of trying to undermine your faith ... but truth CANNOT BE undermined, and if what you believe is truth, then you will be able to find a reasonable response.

For instance, it took me about 3 minutes to find this contribution to the discussion on the web:

"It seems unlikely that the name Allah comes from al-ilaah "the God", but rather from the Aramaic/Syriac alaha, meaning 'God' or 'the God'. "

and

"The etymological derivation of "Allah" as a contraction of "al-ilah", which was maintained in numerous contributions to sri, too, is "popular" etymology and surely not historic. It would be rather
strange that especially the "i" should have been disappeared due
to neglect of the speakers, since the syllable "il" is the most
important in "al-ilah": "il" or "el" is the semitic word for God
since times immemorial."

I think that most participants, if not all, on this board, are interested in exploring intriguing ideas - so an automatic defensive response comes across as weak and fearful - and entirely unneccessary.

I never was an anti-Islamic person. But, narrow-mindedness of Muslims (a few only) on this board are trying their best to make me one.

Guess they are succeeding.

Why can't they, for once, try to learn something new?

This is about History. Not about if they convert to Hinduism, if this was true!!

:rolleyes:

I agree with fatak completly ..
However, where did they learn this attitude from??

I am sorry to say that many times muslims would try to explain what is teh truth and some "non-muslims" would come and just say the same expression "totaly crap!" or "faity tale"!!!


Moonchild, it is not easy to be accused in something you totally beleive in!! and the problem is non-muslim are not helping to make the bridge easier.

when you asked about the people of the elephant or the father of the flame, werent the response quite satsifying? at least to explaint o you what we beleive in even if it didnt make sense to you?
the way people ask make alot of differnece the way others answer.
When I started interacting with non-muslims in this website I was really shocked! I have meet many non-muslims and discussed alot with them about Islam and non came and asked in the way many non-muslims in this web asked. Sometimes the question dervie the person to answer to switch automaticly to defense mode. No one loves to be attacked!!

as I always say, its both parties to blame. Muslims may not response to the right way but non-muslims did not ask the right way.

any way, regarding this topic .. I gave what I thought about .. and non of you even cared to say if what I said makes sense or not. Instead you focused on the negative answeres only!!

AP......I want to chat about it......please hold on......I am very interested in the time of Mouhammed (Peace) and his background.......I will respond soon.....

I am going crazy this weekend with my staff....

Thanks always for your openess and kind heart.......

Zsia!!
Fatak

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Al-ilah means the God .. Allah its an "islamic" name for God.
Allah was not used before Islam, the paginsim gods could have been refered as "al aliha" which is the pluran for Ilah!
AP, muslims claim Islam came in Arabic, we as Arabs all know basic Arabic language rules and that every word that is Arabic should revert back to 3 letters. If so, how come the word 'Allah" in arabic cannot be reverted to 3 letters?? Doesn't that mean something i.e. non islamic/arabic origin??!!


The crecent is not a necessery Islamic symbol. Nethier the Islam nor Quran regard it as an Islamic Symbol.
I clearly dont know where did this symbol came from but I assume it rerfers to the Hijri calnder which depends on the moon.
AP, plz, if the cresent that is on every mosque and the basis of the Islamic calender is not an 'Islamic symbol' .... what on Earth is?????

Originally posted by Azure
total crap and "Çááå" name was not known to anyone b4 Islam i don't believe anything that in here come on give me a break what is this another attepmt to weaken our faith in Allah?
You can't claim something without supporting it with evidence.... or whatever you say becomes 'crap'!! It is an era of science & technology and the explosion of information..... if you claim something make sure you support it by evidence!! What is your evidence that Allah didn't exist before Islam??

Originally posted by Seham
. If so, how come the word 'Allah" in arabic cannot be reverted to 3 letters?? Doesn't that mean something i.e. non islamic/arabic origin??!!
by fatak "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad was born in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".

Seham, I was refering to this when I said my statment. Allah is not a short name for Illah. You would notice that even christian arabs would refer to god as : al rab or al ilah ..
The first religion that refered to god is Allah is Islam which means that the word "Allah" though it comes from the same orgion as Illah is not the same meaning. Ilah could be refered to anyone, Allah is only for God!


AP, plz, if the cresent that is on every mosque and the basis of the Islamic calender is not an 'Islamic symbol' .... what on Earth is?????

People use it as an Islamic Symbol nowadays .. maybe because thay wanted a symbole to recognize muslims. But nethier in Quran nor in Hadith we were refered as the people of the cercent!!
what am saying: if someone one is saying that we are related to pagnisim because we have the moon symbole and during the past years there was an idiol called teh moon, then am telling them teh symbol has no direct connection to Islam, its just a symbole that we could lose at anytime!

When I started interacting with non-muslims in this website I was really shocked! I have meet many non-muslims and discussed alot with them about Islam and non came and asked in the way many non-muslims in this web asked.

Maybe because you have more 'freedom of speech' on an internet forum ?

What would happen, in Saudi Arabia, if we asked these kinds of questions ?

Can you spell muttawa ?