I realised that many non-muslims are stuck with ideas that are totally wrong about Islam. I beleive it is our duties to explain our case, if they dont beleive us then we have done our part.

In this thread, I want non-muslims to tell us what they beleive islam is all about and what are the basic beleifs of Islam.

Maybe this thread will help make them more understanding and make muslims understand why they have a negative view about Islam.

again, I hate seeing a good inteded discussion turn into fights between the two parties. Any offence or insult would not be tolarated here. We want to open our minds to listen what others think

Lets see what non muslims will say, and we will be happy to guide them to the right direction.

Nice thread Arby lets see what they have 2 say :)

Muslims don't respect international law or human rights established by the UN. ............because in Islam human rights have been conferred by God, no legislative assembly in the world or any government on earth has the right or authority to make any amendment or change in the rights conferred by God. No one has the right to abrogate them or withdraw them. Nor are they basic human rights which are conferred on paper for the sake of show and exhibition and denied in actual life when the show is over. Nor are they like philosophical concepts which have no sanctions behind them.

The charter and the proclamations and the resolutions of the United Nations cannot be compared with the rights sanctioned by God; because the former are not applicable on anybody while the latter are applicable on every believer. They are a part and parcel of the Islamic Faith. Every Muslim or administrator who claims himself to be Muslim, will have to accept, recognize and enforce them. If they fail to enforce them, and start denying the rights that have been guaranteed by God or make amendments and changes in them, or practically violate them while paying lip service to them, the verdict of the Holy Quran for such government is clear and unequivocal:



"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are the disbelievers." (5:44)


Cheers
fatak

First there is the Quran.......a book written by God......then there are the hadiths and others written by men.......


It's all so confusing.........!!!!!

Even my "Islam for Dummies!" is hard to get thru......

I am waiting fot "Islam for Morons" series to come out......


Cheers
fatak

Ok. Please direct me in the right direction. Just a few questions. Not in general about Islam, but what's the problem regarding these few situations that I mention?

** Most wars or International conflicts that we see today are between Islamic countries and a non-Islamic country. Other than conflict, un-rests are a common problem within Islamic countries. Why? (note: by Islamic, I mean majority = Muslim men)

** How can someone see Islam as a peaceful religion, when Muslims themself support the notion of Hezbollah and Hamas being 'God-gifted' groups, rather than brutal killing machines?

** Why do Muslims hate the West? (A no, would come across as a bad reply because everyone here knows the truth and so do all Western governments)

** Why do Muslims break their head to make others believe that Islam is the only right religion, and everything else is wrong?

Once again, please sort things out right.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP

** Why do Muslims break their head to make others believe that Islam is the only right religion, and everything else is wrong?



LOL, in that they were only taking direction from European Christians of the last 1,000 years. What are they called? Oh yea, missionaries. the ones with swords and stuff.

:p

Originally posted by fatak
Muslims don't respect international law or human rights established by the UN. ............because in Islam human rights have been conferred by God, no legislative assembly in the world or any government on earth has the right or authority to make any amendment or change in the rights conferred by God. No one has the right to abrogate them or withdraw them. Nor are they basic human rights which are conferred on paper for the sake of show and exhibition and denied in actual life when the show is over. Nor are they like philosophical concepts which have no sanctions behind them.

The charter and the proclamations and the resolutions of the United Nations cannot be compared with the rights sanctioned by God; because the former are not applicable on anybody while the latter are applicable on every believer. They are a part and parcel of the Islamic Faith. Every Muslim or administrator who claims himself to be Muslim, will have to accept, recognize and enforce them. If they fail to enforce them, and start denying the rights that have been guaranteed by God or make amendments and changes in them, or practically violate them while paying lip service to them, the verdict of the Holy Quran for such government is clear and unequivocal:



"Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are the disbelievers." (5:44)


Cheers
fatak

Let me ask you a question, which is better or perfect for humans God (Allah) the creator rules or or the rules made by humans?

Originally posted by fatak
First there is the Quran.......a book written by God......then there are the hadiths and others written by men.......


It's all so confusing.........!!!!!




Cheers
fatak

Let me tell you a fact Quran and hadith are from same source, both from Allah. What is the confusing about it?

Ice Tea.......I thought the Hadiths, interpretations of the Koran by imams -- many of those interpretations are at best highly suspect and manipulative for political and social purposes.

So the Quran is the word of God.....and the Hadiths are the interpretations by inams?

Am I correct on this point?

Thank you for your time.

Zsia!!
fatak

fatak,

The Quran is Allah words.

The Hadith is profet Mohammed PBUH sayings, but read below verses to understand the source of the sayings from surat al najm [53: 1, 2, 3, 4]:

By the Star when it goes down,-
Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him
He was taught by one Mighty in Power,

interpretations of the Koran is called "Tafseer", the hadith also explaining the Quran and a completion to it.

Just when I need a simply answer I get something from some guy who's been eating magic mushrooms!!!!

Can't we just keep things really simple!!!!

So the Quran is from Allah......but I don't remember Allah writing it.......

Isn't it Mouhammed who got the Quran from Allah and it was written after he died? By his followers?

Sorry to be so stupid!!!

Zsia!!
fatak

Koran/Qu'ran: The holy book of Islam, recorded by the prophet Muhammad beginning in the year 610 A.D. Muslims consider it to be the word of God. Islam teaches that the Christian and Hebrew scriptures are also holy books, though they had become distorted over time. The Koran is the primary source of Islamic law, followed by hadith (teachings attributed to Muhammad that are not recorded in the Koran) and the sunna (the habits and practices of Muhammad's life). The word Koran means "recitation."


I hope it's clear to you now.

Thanks Ice Tea......So would you agree that the hadith (teachings attributed to Muhammad that are not recorded in the Koran) are not from Allah......but from men?

I am not trying to argue anything here........My knowledge is nothing compared to you.....so please pretend you are talking to 4 year old child......

Thanks.....

Zsia!!!
fatak

No I don't agree refer to the Quran verses I posted above. And why are you saying men!!! The hadith is profet Mohammed PBUH sayings (so he is one person).

** Most wars or International conflicts that we see today are between Islamic countries and a non-Islamic country. Other than conflict, un-rests are a common problem within Islamic countries. Why? (note: by Islamic, I mean majority = Muslim men)

you are right, but again most of these are for political reasons. Iraq (saddam Hussain vs US), Al-Quds (Jersallam) (Israel (US supported) vs Palastinains), Afghans(Usama bin Laden Vs US), ...etc
The point is, every conflit have another motive but as muslims we are asked to support our brothers when they are in need. This is why when a problem araises between a muslim country and another country all teh other muslim nation get angry because we should feel for each other. Its not an Islamic based fight or Islamic driven one (but that what you were made to beleive maybe) but when it exsists muslim take it as an offence to all nations.

** How can someone see Islam as a peaceful religion, when Muslims themself support the notion of Hezbollah and Hamas being 'God-gifted' groups, rather than brutal killing machines?

If we went back to the reason why we support these groups are the brutal attacks by Israeli who are clearly supporeted by Americans!! Do you think Israel is brutal in its attacks? and if so them and thier supporters should be called terroriest?
I doubt that you see Israel as brutal and here is the focal point. Imagine them as a football team (though I wish it was as simple as this :rolleyes: ) one would support the first team and the second would the support the second team.Every supporter would see his team doing the right thing and the other team would see him doing wrong. There is no clear point if what they are doing is right ot not. same applies to this situation. We see Palastine as an arabic muslim land, and we see hamas and hezbollah trying thier best to get thier land back. Ofcourse our media supports that .. and the west media is showing the total opposite. If the west continued supporting Israel and ofcourse its media would do its best to show that Israel is the little inccoent country searching for its security, the more arabs and muslims would support any group that tries to show the world the truth as they see it.

** Why do Muslims hate the West? (A no, would come across as a bad reply because everyone here knows the truth and so do all Western governments)

Muslims dont hate the west, they hate the western governments and thier incosiderate actions towards Israel. Sometimes I try to be neuteral but the acts that the "western" governments but it just surprises me how America (for example) blindlessly support each act Israel takes! it is the hate of us being helpless when we see our brothers and kin being killed and the west is doing nothing but supporting them and when they are attacked they ast as if there was no reason behind it.
Actually, most of the "3rd world" hate the way the west is treating them as if they are 2nd class citizens of the world. Its not just muslims. To understand this hate you have to study the west policies towards these nations. I am not supporting this hate, but its obvious that there is a reason behind it. Instead of continiously blaming muslims for it why dont teh west once try to solve the problem?!

** Why do Muslims break their head to make others believe that Islam is the only right religion, and everything else is wrong?
This is everywhere!! every religion want to prove its right and all religions are wrong. When I was in NZ every street we walk through we get those leaflets of how Jesus is the saviour of mankind and how we should follow it. ok, I dont beleive in it but I understand thier actions. I just thank them and let it go. but in this forum instead, members continue insulting whoever says something islamic. They are not building the bridge but breaking it.


Thank you for your questions and please understand that I am not trying to force Islam on anyone, I am just trying to explain my part.

Fatak, Hadith and Quran it is simply as this: There isnt a verse in the Quran that is not right. It is the ultimate truth book of god (in our beleife). While teh Hadith is teh words of Prophet Mohammed, who ofcourse is sent by god so we are asked to follow what he says. However, because prophet Mohammed refused that his words be written while he was alive, some hadiths were corrupted. Thanx to some pious scholars who studied the hadith after his death, we have an almost reliable books of Hadith. Some hadiths are debatable ofcourse, but most hadiths that are accepted by all scholars are reliable.
Bottom line, whatever is in Quran is for sure right. Whatever hadith you come across, you have to check its ranking before totally beleiving in what the hadith says.

AP, so it all boils down to 'brotherhood'?

No offence, but from the core of your heart ... don't you think that all this 'brotherhood' is creating a bad impact on what Islam is, as a whole?

I mean, suppose in India ... if there's an outbreak between Muslims and Hindus, there'll be 2 groups among the Hindus. One, the extremists (Bajrangdal, Shiv Sena) and the second (revered scholars) who preach and peacefully tell both the Hindus and Muslims to stop fighting each other.

I haven't heard of the second category, in Islam. (I mean, I expect revered and enlightened scholars to be peaceful, and not to ask their religions' followers to pick up rifles and attack people of other religions)

I appreciate it.......but I have some REAL problems with many of Islamic practises......just to list a few.....

1. stoning or cutting off of body parts

2. muslim's ideas of international law or agreements

3. So many sects saying only they have true Islam

4. strange tribal customs that don't have Islamic backing.......

5. music is bad....as most things like dancing and art etc etc....

6. muslims always say inshallah.....and don't make the effort to change.....


1- these are very harsh punishment for very harsh sins in Islam. We beleive in Islam that certain sins shouldnt be tolorated because they cause chaos in the society. However, each of these punishment shouldnt be applied until all evidence are there.

Example, cutting of the hand of a thefe. The Islamic jugde should make sure that the country did provide all means for this thefe in order to gain his income. Which means his stealing was not for neccesseity.

any way, will come to other parts later, am in a hurry now!

Originally posted by fatak
First there is the Quran.......a book written by God......then there are the hadiths and others written by men.......


It's all so confusing.........!!!!!

Even my "Islam for Dummies!" is hard to get thru......

I am waiting fot "Islam for Morons" series to come out......


Cheers
fatak

There is a 6th edition coming out soon :p check your local bookstores

Let me tell you a fact Quran and hadith are from same source, both from Allah. What is the confusing about it?

If both are from the same source, ie, Allah, then how come some Hadiths are STRONG (ie reliable) and some are WEAK (ie, unreliable) ?

We are talking about the true hadiths here, the one said by the Profet Mohammed PBUH.

You earlier said :

Let me tell you a fact Quran and hadith are from same source, both from Allah. What is the confusing about it?

How can some of the things that come from Allah be true and some of them be false ?

Now can you see what is confusing ?

Originally posted by sanwin25
You earlier said :



How can some of the things that come from Allah be true and some of them be false ?

Now can you see what is confusing ?

sanwin, don't act stupid unless you are really stupid.

I told you false hadith are made by humans and enemies of Islam and not related to the profet.

I hope it's clear now.

Sanwin25:If both are from the same source, ie, Allah, then how come some Hadiths are STRONG (ie reliable) and some are WEAK (ie, unreliable) ?
Becauz now we r in 1424 in arabic years, which means about 1414 from our prophit death . Don't u think after these long years & the wild distance between all the Islamic countries from the west to the east & from the north to the south might affect the hadeeths which is move from person to another & country to another some how??!! So this is Y some of hadeeths are strong cauz they are known by many muslims & in many countries which make it improvment to its reality, while if a person came & told us hadeeth which we didn't hear before & no body around us heard of it we might have doubt about it especially if it contains stuff that have no strong meaning or educational goal, so it is weak hadeeth.That's it, I hope I could make it clear 4 u.

"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." 31:6


"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." 39:23

Very good thread princes.

2. muslim's ideas of international law or agreements

sorry I didnt understand this question! can you elobrate please.


3. So many sects saying only they have true Islam
This is a problem many muslims dont like. Those sects are not within Islam itself, they are just small differences between minor details. I hate this and I wish it would disapear. Therefore this is not a problem with Islam, its a problem with muslims.

4. strange tribal customs that don't have Islamic backing......

you said it!! its all tribal cultural customs ... nothing related with Islam.

5. music is bad....as most things like dancing and art etc etc..
different scholars have differnet opinions about this. But the key point is modesty and unfourtountly most this century music and art are far away from this!

6. muslims always say inshallah.....and don't make the effort to change.....

again its a problem with muslims not Islam. Once I was in an office with a frensh guy and he was talking to an Omani one and the omani one said "Inshallah I will do it" the frensh guy said: "dont say inshallah! say u will do it!!"
I was hurt how muslims missused the word that no one trust it anymore .. Inshalllah means by Allah's will, and it does not a muslims shouldnt put any effort!!

I realised that most of what you dont like about Islam is the behaviour of muslims, and thats a wrong way to look at Islam. Muslims are way far from what Islam is all about

Sanwin,
Quran is Allah's words and Hadith is Prophet Mohammed's words.
Because what prophet Mohammed says is ordered from Allah, we highly respect what prophet Mohammed says.
However, prophet Mohammed asks his followers not to record what he says because he didnt want that to be mixed with Quran. Until his death, whatever he said was not recorded. Later on, pious scholars wanted to organize the words of prophet Mohammed. Many "hadiths" were invented and they wanted to make sure what hadith was true and what was wrong. With thier talks with pious companions of the propeht and his wives, they managed to have an account and a rating of what is a strong hadith and what is wrong.


I hope that was clear.

AP, I have answered fatak questions in this (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16079) thread.

I told him in that thread that I will be answering his questions .. and I had to fullfill my promise :)

Princess, I understand what you are saying.

However, what confused me, was that Ice Tea said both the Quran and the Hadith were from Allah. In fact, this is exactly what he said earlier :

Let me tell you a fact Quran and hadith are from same source, both from Allah. What is the confusing about it?


I was just wondering, how come Allah could protect the Quran and make sure it was not altered but could not do the same for the Hadith ?

I am sure you understand my point. I am also sure that Ice Tea does not, so I will expect the usual idiotic reply from him.

About Islam

Islam is professed by about one-fifth of humanity. People from all walks of life, seeking truth and wholeness, are converting to Islam in significant numbers. The word Islam comes from the Arabic word "salam" which means peace. The word Islam also means "submission to God". A follower of Islam, or one who submits to God, is called a Muslim. Islam is the 2nd largest religion in the world, and the fastest growing. Despite these facts, there exist a number of false yet widespread ideas about Islam. Often, these ideas are the result of ignorance, prejudice, or propaganda. Anyone can become Muslim, you can be White, Black, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, Arab, biracial, etc. People think that Islam is only for Arabs, but its not. Islam originated in the Middle East, but so did all Abrahamic religions. Only about 18% of Muslims are of Arab descent. Islam teaches that everyone is equal, no matter what skin color, gender, intelligence or ability.

"O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." (Qur'an 49:13)

"No Arab has any superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab. Nor does a white man have any superiority over a black man, or the black man any superiority over the white man. You are all the children of Adam, and Adam was created from clay" (al-Bayhaqi and al-Bazzaz).


We believe that there is only One God. God has no parents, children, or any relatives. He is Self-Sufficient. He created the worlds. We believe in the same God that Jews and Christians worship. The universal name for God is "Allah". It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus (pbuh) and a sister language of Arabic. Even Christian Arabs call God Allah.

The Prophet Muhammad (saw) said:

"God is more loving and kind than a mother to her dear child."


Muslims believe that everyone is born fitr (pure). We don't believe that people are born with sin and should be "saved". A person's sins only count after they've been commited after puberty, or after they've converted. Everything bad you've done before puberty or before you've converted doesn't count. To convert to Islam, all you have to do is go to a local mosque and get a friend or family member to be the witness and say "La ilaha illalla, Muhammad al rasol Allah", which means "There is only one God, and Muhammad is his messanger". If you do this then your considered a Muslim.

We worship in a mosque, like Christians worship in a church and Jews worship in a synagogue. Instead of preists, pastors, or rabbis, we have have Sheikhs and Imams. Our Holy Book is called the Qur'an. Muhammad (pbuh) is the Prophet who God gave the Qur'an to. Other Prophets of God are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and more - peace be upon them all. Muhammad (pbuh) was the final messanger of God who spread Islam. He is also referred to as "the Seal of the Prophets."


A lot of people view Islam as a hateful religion. Some say Islam is a religion of "terrorism". But those people are very wrong. To those people I urge you to learn about Islam and read the Qur'an and Hadith and you'll realize that its the exact opposite. Islam is actually a very peaceful religion. If you meet a religious Muslim you'll see that they are very peaceful and caring people. Just because a few Muslims do some wrong things, that doesnt mean Islam teaches it. Our religion actually tells us to love one another and respect eachother, no matter how different we are.

During the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Jews in Madina had a synagogue and an educational institute, Bait-Al-Midras. Muhammad (pbuh) preserved the institute and gave protection to the Jews. Muhammad (pbuh) respected the autonomy of the Christian churches. The nomination and the appointment of bishops and priests was left to the Christian community itself. Prophet Muhammad promoted cooperation between Muslims and Christians in the political arena as well. He selected a non-Muslim, 'Amr-ibn Umaiyah-ad-Damri, as an ambassador to Negus, the King of Ethiopia.

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2:62)

About Islam

Does Islam oppresses women? Of course not. Many people believe that Muslim women are oppressed. In fact, nothing could be further from Islamic teachings. In Islam there are very specific rules relating to the equality of men and women. They are both looked upon as being equal in soul and in mind, and in spiritual responsiblities. The honor of women is very important, and no man may dare to infringe upon it. Islam does not permit any sort of abuse to women; mentally or physically. Wife beaters were declared by the Prophet not be Muslims and it has been reported that the Prophet never hit any child nor any woman. In fact, rape or any assault on women is a very serious crime in Islam. In education, the woman also has the paramount duty to learn. The man is not allowed, under Islamic law, to prohibit or restrict her quest to do so. The woman is ordered by God, as much as the man is, to learn, to read, to seek truth, to educate themselves. "The search for knowledge is a duty for every Muslim, male or female." Even though some parts of Afghanistan apparently prohibit girls from going to school, they are not following Islamic law. Muslim girls are supposed to learn as much as they can. There are more than 20 Muslim countries that treat men and women equally under Islamic law and let them get a good education and a good job, etc. Just because 1 or 2 Muslim countries prevent girls from doing certain things, that doesn't mean that Islam teaches it or that even the people of that country agree with that. Most Muslim men are very caring and treat women with honor and respect, the way we're supposed to be treated.

Muslim women were the first women to vote when the Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago. In Islam, a woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on recognition of her individual personality. Women are encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas. There are many traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) which indicate women would pose questions directly to him and offer their opinions concerning religion, economics and social matters. A Muslim woman chooses her husband and chooses whether or not to keep her name after marriage. A Muslim woman's testimony is valid in legal disputes. In fact, in areas in which women are more familiar, their evidence is conclusive. The Muslim woman has the privilege to earn money, the right to own property, to enter into legal contracts and to manage all of her assets in any way she pleases. She can run her own business and no one has any claim on her earnings including her husband. The Qur'an states:

"And in no wise covet those things in which Allah hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others; to men is allotted what they earn, and to women, what they earn; but ask Allah of His bounty, for Allah hath full knowledge of all things." (4:32)

A woman inherits from her relatives. The Qur'an states: "For men there is a share in what parents and relatives leave, and for women there is a share of what parents and relatives leave, whether it be little or much - an ordained share." (Qur'an 4:7)

Hijab is a head covering that Muslim women wear. Hijab is actually to benefit Muslims rather than opress them. Women should wear the hijab for protection from getting the wrong kind of attention or being molested. Hijab doesn't really oppress girls. Most girls who wear hijab choose to wear it for their love for God. God wants to protect women which is why He asks us to wear the hijab. Think about it, if there's a girl running around in revealing clothes and a modest girl with hijab on, who's going to get the wrong kind of attraction? The girl with the revealing clothes. Guys only are attracted to her based on her looks and they're only looking at her to get a cheap thrill. Girls who wear hijab don't really have to worry about those things. But Islam commands all the believers to dress modestly, not just women. Men must dress modestly also. They must wear loose clothes and not show any private parts. They don't have to cover their hair, but a lot of Muslims wear the Kufis, which are hats that some Muslim men wear.

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty..."(Qur'an 24:30)

"Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty..." (24:31)

At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are WOMEN. Great huh?

Concerning motherhood, the Prophet (pbuh) said: "Heaven lies under the feet of mothers." This implies that the success of a society can be traced to the mothers that raised it. The first and greatest influence on a person comes from the sense of security, affection, and training received from the mother. Therefore, a woman having children must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.

About Islam

The Prophet said:

"The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife"

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the martial gift you have given them, except when they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary, live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike a thing through which Allah brings about a great deal of good." (Qur'an 4:19)

"'Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he/she male or female: you are members one of another...' If any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them." (Qur'an 4:124)

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patent and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise-- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward." (Qur'an 33:35)


Jihad. In the West, the concept of jihad has been improperly translated as 'holy war.' Instead, jihad means 'struggle' and refers, in particular, to the personal struggle that every Muslim engages in to live a peaceful and good life.


Famous Muslims: Malcom X, Muhammad Ali, Layla Ali, Hasim Rahman, Naseem Hamad, Mike Tyson, Hakeem Olajuan, Kareem Abdul-Jabar, Jermaine Jackson, Ahmad Rashad, Tupac Shakur, Cat Stevens a.k.a. Yusuf Islam, Queen Noor of Jordan, Nas, Q-Tip a.k.a. Fareed Kamal, Mos Def, and many more.


The 5 Pillars of Islam are:

1)Belief that there is only one God, and Muhammad is His final messanger

2)Charity -
The Prophet said: 'Charity is a necessity for every Muslim. ' He was asked: 'What if a person has nothing?' The Prophet replied: 'He should work with his own hands for his benefit and then give something out of such earnings in charity.' The Companions asked: 'What if he is not able to work?' The Prophet said: 'He should help poor and needy persons.' The Companions further asked 'What if he cannot do even that?' The Prophet said 'He should urge others to do good.' The Companions said 'What if he lacks that also?' The Prophet said 'He should check himself from doing evil. That is also charity.'

3)Fasting during the month of Ramadan - Every year in the month of Ramadan, all Muslims fast from first light until sundown, abstaining from food, drink, and sexual relations. Those who are sick, elderly, or on a journey, and women who are pregnant,nursing, or menstruating are permitted to break the fast and make up an equal number of days later in the year. If they are physically unable to do this, they must feed a needy person for every day missed. Children begin to fast (and to observe the prayer) from puberty, although many start earlier.

Although the fast is most beneficial to the health, it is regarded principally as a method of self purification. By cutting oneself off from worldly comforts, even for a short time, a fasting person gains true sympathy with those who go hungry as well as growth in one's spiritual life.

4)Prayer -
Every Muslim after Puberty must pray 5 times a day. The only exception is if a woman is menstuating. If a prayer is accidentally missed or has to wait, it may be made up at a later time. Prayers are said at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset and nightfall, and thus determine the rhythm of the entire day. Although it is preferable to worship together in a mosque, a Muslim may pray almost anywhere, such as in fields, offices, factories and universities. Visitors to the Muslim world are struck by the centrality of prayers in daily life.

5)Pillgramage (Hajj) -
The annual pilgrimage to Makkah - the Hajj - is an obligation only for those who are physically and financially able to perform it. Nevertheless, about two million people go to Makkah each year from every corner of the globe providing a unique opportunity for those of different nations to meet one another. Although Makkah is always filled with visitors, the annual Hajj begins in the twelfth month of the Islamic year (which is lunar, not solar, so that Hajj and Ramadan fall sometimes in summer, sometimes in winter). Pilgrims wear special clothes: simple garments which strip away distinctions of class and culture, so that all stand equal before God.

The rites of the Hajj, which are of Abrahamic origin, include circling the Ka'ba seven times, and going seven times between the mountains of Safa and Marwa as did Hagar during her search for water. Then the pilgrims stand together on the wide plain of Arafa and join in prayers for God's forgiveness, in what is often thought of as a preview of the Last Judgment.


Sources:
http://www.islam.com
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islam.htm
http://www.islamicity.com
http://islam101.com/index.htm
http://www.ummah.com

Originally posted by sanwin25

I was just wondering, how come Allah could protect the Quran and make sure it was not altered but could not do the same for the Hadith ?



What Ice Tea meant, is whatever prophet Mohammed says is orfded from Allah, and this is why Hadith is Allah's teachings not Allah's words!

i hope this is related


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Originally posted by Arabian Princess
What Ice Tea meant, is whatever prophet Mohammed says is orfded from Allah, and this is why Hadith is Allah's teachings not Allah's words!

Thanx AP for the answer, I'm sure he understand what I mean by he is just behaving silly as usual.

Just to add one thing, there is one type of Hadith called "Qudsi" which is Allah words.

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Zsia!!!
fatak

Wow.......A_P........you are so cool to answer all my questions.......Ice Tea,or should I address you as MR. Sabla.......thanks......Azure, Areej..too.

Even though we pass our views here and nothing in the world changes.....

I am sure a good muslim would be a good friend....

Zsia!!
fatak

Since the Hadith are so important to your faith, isn't it strange that Allah couldn't take the same care to protect them as he suppposedly did with the Quran ?

As things stand, one mans weak hadith is another mans stong hadith.

as I said, prophet Mohammed asked himself not to record his words. So its not strange the hadith is not protected because it wasnt meant to be protected.

Hadith are important in our faith yes, but as much as Quran.

But all the stuff on how you live your daily lives (how to eat, drink, sleep, stand, put on your clothes, which path to take to the mosque and which to take to return, how to bathe, the number of stones to use to clean yourself, the length of your hair, whetter you can cut it or not, etc, etc) are taken from the Hadith.

What about the sentence of stoning for adultery. That is not in the Quran. And that is pretty important since it involves someones life.

And you say they are not important ?

prophet Mohammed asked himself not to record his words

Guess like other religions, Muslims didn't follow that part either?

And A_P, Sanwin does have a point here. There are correct and wrong Hadiths here. Some may be wise enough to question the validity of a hadith, but someone else might not!

That leads it to total chaos. And imagine if that person is as stone-headed as some of the rebellious members here!! :duh:

as I said earlier
Because what prophet Mohammed says is ordered from Allah, we highly respect what prophet Mohammed says.
However, prophet Mohammed asks his followers not to record what he says because he didnt want that to be mixed with Quran. Until his death, whatever he said was not recorded. Later on, pious scholars wanted to organize the words of prophet Mohammed. Many "hadiths" were invented and they wanted to make sure what hadith was true and what was wrong. With thier talks with pious companions of the propeht and his wives, they managed to have an account and a rating of what is a strong hadith and what is wrong.

I am not willing to go around the same circle .. I gave my answer .. accpet it .. fine, you dont well fine too .. :)


Sanwin said: how to eat, drink, sleep, stand, put on your clothes, which path to take to the mosque and which to take to return, how to bathe, the number of stones to use to clean yourself, the length of your hair, whetter you can cut it or not, etc, etc)

and whats this???!!! :rolleyes:
tell me how many stones shall I used when I take bath, coz I never came across such a hadith!!!!

Princess, it shall be my pleasure to post some hadiths for your information.

Give me a little while.

Do you relay know Hadith?

I know you must have put off cleaning yourself, waiting to find out the right number of stones. But have patience.

Soon all will be revealed to you, my dear OLD friend Shamsery !

:D

Originally posted by sanwin25
But all the stuff on how you live your daily lives (how to eat, drink, sleep, stand, put on your clothes, which path to take to the mosque and which to take to return, how to bathe, the number of stones to use to clean yourself, the length of your hair, whetter you can cut it or not, etc, etc) are taken from the Hadith.

What about the sentence of stoning for adultery. That is not in the Quran. And that is pretty important since it involves someones life.

And you say they are not important ?

I guess I understand what do u mean sanwin, following every thing is coming in these hadeeths blindly in our life might make us act things we r not requested to do it but becauz some of these hadeeths are not correct, we follow them, & u r woundering Y these hadeeths r not protected like the Holy Quran, this is alah willing & a wiseness from our prophit to ask the ppl not to record his hadeeths becauz his hadeeths contained many details to help ppl in his era to behave like muslims & become as a custom & traditions in their life ( & it is known about Arabian ppl they follow their father's traditions & customs) so the following generation will follow their fathers way of life & respect their traditions & these behaviours become natural in the dialy days. The wisness here is the flexibility, we know these traditions/Islamic customs but we can't follow it as it is becauz of the changing in our life style & the modernization (eg. if there is hadeeth which was talking about the transportation facilities which was the animals & contains advices to ppl & how to use them, etc, u also mentioned the way of cleaning which I'ven't heard about it with stones!!!!! Now there r soaps so no need to use what u said. ) So we just take the important things from hadeeths which suits our life style(eg. being clean) & I guess this is what our prophit wanted us to do. Also it is as the prophit could know how the ppl will be more educated & would know what is the right & what is the wrong in the way they live.

I hope I could answer u r question.

Princess and Shamsery,

Sorry I took so long to get back on this, but here are some hadiths which relate to what I was discussing earlier.

All from Bukhari.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 162:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Whoever performs ablution should clean his nose with water by putting the water in it and then blowing it out, and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with odd number of stones."


Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "If anyone of you performs ablution he should put water in his nose and then blow it out and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep."

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 169:
Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet used to like to start from the right side on wearing shoes, combing his hair and cleaning or washing himself and on doing anything else.


Volume 1, Book 4, Number 179:
Narrated Zaid bin Khalid:

I asked 'Uthman bin 'Affan about a person who engaged in intercourse but did no discharge. 'Uthman replied, "He should perform ablution like the one for ar ordinary prayer but he must wash his penis." 'Uthman added, "I heard it from Allah's Apostle." I asked 'Ali Az-Zubair, Talha and Ubai bin Ka'b about it and they, too, gave the same reply. (This order was cancelled later on and taking a bath became necessary for such cases).


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/004.sbt.html

You took 4 days to find out a web pages.
Nice.
It would be better to try to find out something for the good of humanity.

I took 4 days to answer.

I did not take 4 days to search for a web page.

This web page is part of my FAVOURITES list.

I thought Islam, the Quran and the Haditts were for the good of humanity.

Silly me.

Thanks for correcting me.

BTW, I hope you used the correct number of stones those 4 days you were waiting for my post.

Thanx for posting these hadeeths sanwin cauz I didn't know about them before, so it seems our religion care to teach ppl about the cleanliness from the beginning...

So what is the purpose from posting these hadeeths sanwin??

Must have a reason.

He will take short break and will come back.
Please stay with us .

tell me how many stones shall I used when I take bath, coz I never came across such a hadith!!!!

Above question posted by AP.

I was just doing my bit to help out with the hygiene of some of the Muslim members here.