We claim Buddhism is totally different from Islam. Well I find many things quite similar for example in Islam we go in circle around the Kabba whereas in Budha they pay respect to the Budha founder. However, people visiting countries which practice Buddhism claim that these people are worshiping the statue of Buddha. Just like the rest of the world claims we worship the Kabba!!

I don't see any valid comparison to be discussed!.

All religions have a symbol to represent God. We al Kabba, them the Budha statue!

There is a big difference those people think that statue is their God, so they bow to it and worship it. But for us muslims the Kabba is not our God and it doesn't mean when muslims go around it they worship the Kabba, because Allah is in every place and not in the Kabba. We pray the 5 daily prayers to Allah we don't need to go to pray in the Kabba.

Belief in Allah, where is Allah?

Belief that Allah's "sitting on the throne" should not be taking with a literal meaning because its true meaning is His rule over the Universe. "There is no place in the high heavens and the lowest earths vacated by Him...He is sitting on the throne, is witness over everything and encompasses everything without formation, limitation, resemblance, anthropomorphism or imagination." (Rabii ibn Habib)

We pray the 5 daily prayers to Allah we don't need to go to pray in the Kabba

Then why insist that ALL MUSLIMS FACE THE KABAA when then pray ?

Originally posted by sanwin25
Then why insist that ALL MUSLIMS FACE THE KABAA when then pray ?

Because it's an order from Allah to face the Kabaa, but it doesn't mean it's our God.

Originally posted by IceTea
There is a big difference those people think that statue is their God, so they bow to it and worship it. But for us muslims the Kabba is not our God and it doesn't mean when muslims go around it they worship the Kabba



Listen you freakin ignorant *******......dont talk about something you dont know......You really pissed me off.......I hate it when ignorant people diss a relgion they no nothing about.

They do NOT worship the budda....they dont see him as a god......The budda himself never claimed he is a god..... Many budda monks are very wise and well educated....Buddism is a very flexible religion...it adopts new ideas...it changes it evolves with time. I dont think God wants you to represent our religion because u give it a very bad image.

Hear hear.

Originally posted by sanwin25
Hear hear.

hear what !!!! he does not know what hes talking about !!!!!

I admire buddhisim so much .. they have many great teachings within it ..
However, they do have a statues of Buddha that represent thier god. It might not be thier god but it does represent him. In Islam we have nothing like that. Kaaba doesnt represent Allah and it will never be.
Allah gave us Kaaba because it is one place that unite all muslims and we will never consider it as our god.

Budda represents their God. The Kabba represents the Prophet Mohammed who represents God!!!!! And hence we bow for the Kabba, kiss and would love to die infront of the Kabba!!

Seham,

And why you are angry, you should be happy if you die in such holy place.

I will say again no valid comparison here to be discussed. Case closed.!

Originally posted by IceTea
And why you are angry, you should be happy if you die in such holy place.
:D

I will say again no valid comparison here to be discussed. Case closed.!
Case Opened..... :p
The word 'Buddha' is a title and not a name. It means 'one who is awake' in the sense of having 'woken up to reality'. It was first given to a man who was born as Siddhartha Gautama in Nepal 2,500 years ago. He did not claim to be a God and he has never been regarded as such by Buddhists. He was a human being who became Enlightened, understanding life in the deepest way possible.

Siddharta was born into the royal family of a small kingdom on the Indian-Nepalese border. According to the traditional story he had a cloistered upbringing, but was jolted out of complacency on understanding that life includes the harsh facts of old age, sickness, and death.

He left home to follow the traditional Indian path of the wandering holy man, a seeker after Truth. He practised meditation under various teachers and then took to asceticism. Eventually he practised austerities so severe that he was on the point of death - but true understanding seemed as far away as ever. He decided to abandon this path and to look into his own heart and mind. He sat down beneath the pipal tree and vowed that 'flesh may wither, blood may dry up, but I shall not rise from this spot until Enlightenment has been won.' After forty days, the Buddha finally attained Enlightenment.

Buddhists believe that he attained a state of being that goes beyond anything else in the world. If normal experience is based on conditions - upbringing, psychology, opinions, perceptions, and so on - Enlightenment is Unconditioned. It was a state in which the Buddha gained Insight into the deepest workings of life and therefore into the cause of human suffering, the problem that had set him on his spiritual quest in the first place.

During the remaining 45 years of his life he travelled through much of northern India, spreading his teaching of the way to Enlightenment. The teaching is known in the East as the Buddha-dharma - 'the teaching of the Enlightened One'. Travelling from place to place, the Buddha taught numerous disciples, many of whom gained Enlightenment in their own right. They, in turn, taught others and in this way an unbroken chain of teaching has continued, right down to the present day.

The Buddha was not a God and he made no claim to divinity. He was a human being who, through tremendous efforts, transformed himself. Buddhists see him as an ideal and a guide who can lead one to Enlightenment oneself.

I like what a Budda said when he was asked what do you believe in:
"We believe that each human being is precious and important, that all have the potential to develop into a Buddha – a perfected human being. We believe that human beings can outgrow ignorance and irrationality and see things as they really are. We believe that hatred, anger, spite and jealousy can be replaced by love, patience, generosity and kindness."

www.mayfieldpub.com

http://www.buddhist-temples.com/gautam-buddha.html

So you have done your homework :p


Originally posted by Seham

The Buddha was not a God and he made no claim to divinity. He was a human being who, through tremendous efforts, transformed himself. Buddhists see him as an ideal and a guide who can lead one to Enlightenment oneself.


Then why they are following him?

Originally posted by Seham

I like what a Budda said when he was asked what do you believe in:
"We believe that each human being is precious and important, that all have the potential to develop into a Buddha – a perfected human being. We believe that human beings can outgrow ignorance and irrationality and see things as they really are. We believe that hatred, anger, spite and jealousy can be replaced by love, patience, generosity and kindness."



So a Buddha is a prefered human being, well according to our beliefs this is not acceptable because it means when Allah created us as human he didn't do a good job. Where as Allah created humans in a perfect way and picture.

Now do you see the similarties between Budda's enlightenment & our Prophet in Islam? Both were in enlightened in one way or another;)

Originally posted by Seham
Now do you see the similarties between Budda's enlightenment & our Prophet in Islam? Both were in enlightened in one way or another;)

Give me a break, how can you compare the best man Allah created and said in the Quran about him:


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with Budda's!!!

Originally posted by IceTea
Give me a break,
Your wish is granted!! I'll give you a break and allow you to digest the content before I come back tomorrow with more to digest!:gap:

Originally posted by Seham
Your wish is granted!! I'll give you a break and allow you to digest the content before I come back tomorrow with more to digest!:gap:

Don't come better to stay in mars :gap:

Actually we need Seham around here.

She belongs to that rare breed around here, the educated, literate, thinking Muslim woman.

It would do everybody a world of good if you moved to Mars.

Pluto is even further away, so that might even be better.

“Just like the rest of the world claims we worship the Kabba!!”

Seham,

Do you worship Kabba?

Do we?

What do you say?

Forget about others.
Very sad.

Seham, and who told you the Kabbaa represents Prophet Mohammed????

The Kabaa was there even before prophet Mohammed was born !

Yes, Allah made the a uniquue place for muslims because it is a place that unites us .. dieing infront of Kabaa or not is not the case, dieing preforming your duty towards Allah is the case!

MAAAAAAAANY people go to kabba preform Hajj or Umra and return the same way and would not enter heaven, why?? because it wasnt sencerly done for GOD NOT Prophet Mohammed!!!

as I said I respect buddhisim but is in no way compared to Islam. They have thier religious beleives and we have ours.

We are by no means are allowed to pray to prophet mohammed, in fact we pray for him!!
Buddhist on the other hand, give thier sacrfices of fruits and food to Buddha!! which is a status!!

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Buddhist on the other hand, give thier sacrfices of fruits and food to Buddha!! which is a status!!

It's just a symbol of giving up the material things ... it's not like they think they are feeding their god :rolleyes:

Don't you guys listen? Buddhists know that Buddha was a man and a prince, and they follow his TEACHINGS but do NOT think he was God. The statues are a symbol of respect for his wisdom, and the temples a gathering place for those who follow that path.

I myself have visited the birthplace of Gautama Buddah named Lumbini. So far I know , majority people of the world is followers of Buddhism. It’s a very flexible school of thoughts.
Buddah did not claim him as God but he worshiped as “Vagaban Thathagata.”


In connection of enlightened, there is a basic difference in between Buddah and Prophet (Pbuh).

After enlighten Prophet (Pbuh) declared there is none except Allah and we are to worship Allah alone.

Buddhist does not believe in God.

Seham, its useless to make Ice Tea and Silver Ring understand something. What I do, is just ignore them. Period!

...

Another thing, Mrs. Seham. I am not sure if you visited an ealier thread (started by me) about the evolution of Islam from Hinduism.

For good or bad, no supporting claims were made against what I claimed. So, I guess Islam indeed was a follow-up of Hinduism, in the Arab region ... once the people squashed all the 'diety people' (Hindus) and set up an Allah (directly coming from the godess Al-lat a.k.a Durga Devi).

For further research, please search for the thread titled "Kaaba: A Hindu Temple?"

Buddhist does not believe in God.

Neither would you, if you were a learned person.

By learned, I mean not learning a book ... but through meditation and introspection.

hmmm ..
so Islam is derived from Hundisim,
Its simmiler to Buddhisim
we see many things simmiler to christianity ad Judusim!!

so every religion in simmiler to Islam .. dont you think thats strange!!!

according to my knowledge Mooni, Buddhist do present those food and fruits as sacrifices to thier god! I understod this from few buddhist friends.


Neither would you, if you were a learned person

so you assume that being a learnt person leads you to beleive that there is no other god, which is because you beleive so!!
you are accusing every human being who beleive in god to be an ignorant!! no one has the right to accuse anyone of being ignorant because he beleives in certain religion!!!


in Islam, we beleives long time back that pagnist worship idols to get closer to Allah. They beleive they need an intermidiate between the two, which Islam clearly condem it!

Bravo Mr. Shinoda LP,
What an innovation!!!

“Evolution of Islam from Hinduism.”
"Kaaba: A Hindu Temple?"
“ So, I guess Islam indeed was a follow-up of Hinduism, in the Arab region.”

Shame on us that we can not reply you in proper way and in proper language.
The worship of Durga began to day in our sub continent. .

Which only proves that you really know nothing.

It is also better if you stayed with the politics sabla.

You make yourself look foolish enough over there.

No need to look foolish in two places.

For further research, please search for the thread titled "Kaaba: A Hindu Temple?"

Why should we waste our time in searching for useless and non sense things.

I don’t agree with you Ice Tea.
You should study and reply. There is no end of learning.






Mr.Sanwin,
I believe you belong to civilized world. A civilized person has his own language. Don’t make yourself cheap.
If you agree with the above points, place your logic.
Other wise you can join with me to learn, as we do not know anything.

In the other hand, there are wise Muslims on the board, hope who will be able to meet the question.
Most of them are Arabs and Kaaba is few hundred miles away from them.

Ice Tea wrote :

Why should we waste our time in searching for useless and non sense things.

You mean, like the stuff you post all the time ?

I believe you belong to civilized world. A civilized person has his own language. Don’t make yourself cheap.

You are correct. And it is not Bangladesh.

If you do not understsand the English language, I suggest you attend an ESL course and improve your understanding of the same.

Thanks for your suggestion but what’s the wrong with Bangladesh.
I am Bangladsehi and that is my country.
We learn from our soil.

What's about you, sir?

Are you a Bangladeshi Muslim or a Muslim Bangladesh ?

Or are you just a Bangladeshi ?

Or are you just a Muslim ?

I am a Bangladeshi and Muslim.
In other way my mother tongue is Bengali and by faith I am a Muslim.
I am a Muslim and Bengali both.

Which do you think comes first ?

Good question to understand me Mr.Sanwin,

The identity is integrated.
There is different view also in our society.
These question and answer are not related to thread.
Moderator of the Sabla concern reserve the right to edit our conversion that would embarrassing for both of us.
Correct?

Why would it be embarrasing to me ?

Hope you do not want that some one overwrite or edit your post.
At least I do not want and that’s the end, please.

Originally posted by sanwin25
Then why insist that ALL MUSLIMS FACE THE KABAA when then pray ?

Unity under one God, unity in directy, unity in the way we pray.

Buddhaism is NOT a religion but a way of life, a guidline. You can have christian buddishts, zen buddhist. But there are a lot of comparisons we can make with Islam such as how to live, how to respect others etc etc... all key fundementals which are in most guidelines on living, it just depends how one inteprets them.

Originally posted by IceTea
There is a big difference those people think that statue is their God, so they bow to it and worship it. But for us muslims the Kabba is not our God and it doesn't mean when muslims go around it they worship the Kabba, because Allah is in every place and not in the Kabba. We pray the 5 daily prayers to Allah we don't need to go to pray in the Kabba.

Belief in Allah, where is Allah?

Belief that Allah's "sitting on the throne" should not be taking with a literal meaning because its true meaning is His rule over the Universe. "There is no place in the high heavens and the lowest earths vacated by Him...He is sitting on the throne, is witness over everything and encompasses everything without formation, limitation, resemblance, anthropomorphism or imagination." (Rabii ibn Habib)

Brother Ice cold Tea... Well see as matter of fact, that is the view non muslims have on us that we're facing Ka'abba to worship it. Well when we pray we must face it, the same way in the Bagushtatam in Mahayana Budists Temples they have to face their great teacher and founder of Budism, The Sri Buda Mengalam (those are the words to express like as we say Allah SWT, well rule of the sabla is to respect). Well, Budists are very peaceful people, as for them they just have two branches of budism. I like the budhist monks, when they talk and they heal the diseases, the rutes and other medecines they make. Everything is Veg for them, they eat more of leaves and other things. I've been to the Golden Budha Temple, it's so beautful covered with all the types and colours of Lotus. The whole beautiful environment they've made for such relaxed worshipping area. The smell of flowers come from all different places, it's really beautiful inside there.

I was browsing this site .. and I found this question which I found it a bit related to this thread ..

sorry its in arabic, but for those who posted the question and can read arabic .. this could help you.

Is Hajj part of paganisim (http://www.almajara.com/article.php?sid=4823)

The Kaba is the building towards which Muslims face five times a day, everyday, in prayer. This has been the case since the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) over 1400 years ago.

We the Muslims do not worship Kabba, we worship Allah. Kabba is said "House of Allah".

This small building has been constructed and reconstructed by Prophets Adam, Ibrahim, Ismail and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). No other building has had this honor.

Didn't you just question how Adam could be a Muslim when Islam came several years later in another thread ?