Can a husband take a picture of his wife whilst she is naked or film their bedroom relations?


Question: Is it permissible for a husband to take a picture of his wife whilst she is naked and vice versa? Also is it permissble for the husband and wife to take pictures of themselves or use a camcorder to record themselves having sexual intercourse, and thereafter look at the photos or watch the video?

Answer:

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Regardless of the difference of opinion between the contemporary scholars about the ruling on photography, (even though, the position taken by virtually all scholars of the Indian Subcontinent and great Arab scholars is that photographs fall under the rubric of taswir (picture-making) of living creatures and humans, which has been explicitly forbidden in over 20 authentic hadiths, see: Reliance of the Traveller), the taking of nude pictures of the spouse or recording the act of sexual intercourse and thereafter viewing it cannot be considered permissible.

There are few reasons for this:

Firstly, it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse. Scholars mention, however, that although it is permissible for the spouses to look at any part of the partner’s body, it is disliked that they become completely naked. A cover or sheet over the naked bodies would be sufficient.

Sayyida Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) private parts”. (Sunan Ibn Majah, no. 662).

Secondly, to expose the naked body in front of a stranger is absolutely unlawful (haram) in that Shariah.

Also, to give someone the opportunity to view one’s nakedness (awra) in any way, shape or form is impermissible. By taking nude pictures of one’s self or recording the act of sexual intercourse may give someone this opportunity. The pictures taken or the video tape could be misplaced and get into the hands of a stranger. One may lose the tape and it could be picked up by another person. Imagine, if the son or daughter of the couple involved got hold of the tape, what would their reaction be?

The argument that the tape would be hidden and prevented from getting in to the hands of a third person is not valid for the simple reason that there is this possibility. Some unusual occurrence can transpire, thus it is possible for a third person to get hold of the tape. The well-established principle of Islamic jurisprudence states: “Prevent evil before it actually happens.” (sadd al-dhara’i).

Thirdly, and finally, Islam is a religion of modesty. It does not approve of one stripping naked even when alone in a room, for Allah has a greater right that one should observe modesty before Him. Thus, it is necessary (wajib) in the Hanafi school, and highly recommended by others, to cover one’s minimum nakedness [between navel and knee for both men and women] even when alone. [Haskafi, Durr al-Mukhtar; Ibn Nujaym, al-Bahr al-Ra’iq] The exception to this is when there is a need, such as taking a shower, relieving oneself, or changing one’s clothes. Even in such situations, it is recommended to minimize the exposure.

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Modesty is of faith (iman)”. (Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim).

Ya’la ibn Umayya reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Verily Allah is modest and discreet and He likes modesty and discretion. When one of you takes a bath, one should cover one’s self”. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan Nasa’I & Musnad Ahmad). This is a command of recommendation when alone.

Due to the above reasons, it would not be permissible for the spouses to take nude pictures or record the act of cohabitation. This is disregarding the fact that many scholars hold picture making and photography impermissible from the outset.

And Allah knows best

Answered by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari of the Hanafi fiqh list.

Originally posted by IceTea

Firstly, it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse. Scholars mention, however, that although it is permissible for the spouses to look at any part of the partner’s body, it is disliked that they become completely naked. A cover or sheet over the naked bodies would be sufficient.


i don't know what to say ice man. i'm :eyes: and :duh: :confused: :lost: and don't really know why all this restrictions. this is going beyond stupidity.

Imagine, if the son or daughter of the couple involved got hold of the tape, what would their reaction be?

why's mum and dad making love with their clothes on?? it must be an old skool thing.

Thirdly, and finally, Islam is a religion of modesty. It does not approve of one stripping naked even when alone in a room, for Allah has a greater right that one should observe modesty before Him. Thus, it is necessary (wajib) in the Hanafi school, and highly recommended by others, to cover one’s minimum nakedness [between navel and knee for both men and women] even when alone.

i hope you talking about real fat people only here. that i agree with cause it's just ugly.

I have nothing against what u said bro, but I have this little comment...

it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse

it is permissible for the spouses to look at any part of the partner’s body
Don't u find antinomy between these two sentences??

When one of you takes a bath, one should cover one’s self”. I don't understand this one. What does this mean? I take a bath/shower in my birthday suit.

Originally posted by el7ilwa
I have nothing against what u said bro, but I have this little comment...




Don't u find antinomy between these two sentences??



Ok the first senternce saying when they are having sexual intercourse, they should at least cover themselves with something. And the 2nd sentence is a general one saying that each of them allowed to see any part of the other which other strangers shouldn't see.

Originally posted by jack
I don't understand this one. What does this mean? I take a bath/shower in my birthday suit.

I guess it mean, when the person take a bath he/she should take it in closed place and not open to the puplic.

Originally posted by IceTea
Ok the first senternce saying when they are having sexual intercourse, they should at least cover themselves with something. And the 2nd sentence is a general one saying that each of them allowed to see any part of the other which other strangers shouldn't see.

Ooh as u added some thing new:rolleyes: , like who explained the water with the water:p .

Well as for the point itself.. I dont really buy it.. But.. If its hara,m then... thats it.. As for the quoted parts.. I dont get them!! :confused:
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Originally posted by IceTea
it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse.

Sayyida Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) private parts”. (Sunan Ibn Majah, no. 662).

My goodness!!:eyes:
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The exception to this is when there is a need, such as taking a shower, relieving oneself, or changing one’s clothes. Even in such situations, it is recommended to minimize the exposure.
When one of you takes a bath, one should cover one’s self”.

And how do you suppose we do that!!! Why! We are alone! We need to change clothes and take showers!:lost:
Err... Should I take a bath wearing clothes?! Tell me O' wise one! :rolleyes:

what if ppl say its ok ... then someone else gets to c those pocs or the video bu mistake .. what then hu?
Things happen even if u r extra careful so u never know what night happen if it got to anyone elses hands!!

I don't understand why they'd take pictures of each other naked. I mean, they could see eachother whenever they want to!!

And about that video thing, I think it's silly! If you feel like having sex, go ahead.. you don't need anything else to watch in order to interest you.. you have your wife/husband with you!

As Homeless said, things happen even when you take extra care!

to all my muslims brothers and sisters,

if you haven't seen, touched and kissed every inch of your partner's body then you're missing on a whole lotta things in this world. go back and revalute your whole life. this is serious.

lol....

I think what this scholar says is 'insane' and it is 'insane' to believe him.... !!

Originally posted by Big MO
to all my muslims brothers and sisters,

if you haven't seen, touched and kissed every inch of your partner's body then you're missing on a whole lotta things in this world. go back and revalute your whole life. this is serious.

big man, the thread is about taking nasty pic and filming bed activities and not about looking at the wife body.

IceChai.

Islamic says "your their cloth and vice versa."


Regarding pornographic issue I think logic tells you not to do it. You never know in whose hands that tape can fall and and and either of you could be a victim of whitemailing so ? 2speak.

You can take such risk if you are having a private affair in say at the Moonakoo or Ras Vegas

What if u use a self destructive tape

err why should they have a cover on them while having sex?

Originally posted by ~*FaiThFuL*~
err why should they have a cover on them while having sex?

My exact thoughts!

Originally posted by IceTea
big man, the thread is about taking nasty pic and filming bed activities and not about looking at the wife body.


i wa referring to this.

Firstly, it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse. Scholars mention, however, that although it is permissible for the spouses to look at any part of the partner’s body, it is disliked that they become completely naked. A cover or sheet over the naked bodies would be sufficient.

With all due respect......to the mullahs.........stay out of my bedroom.........!!!!!

That goes for the pope too.......!!!

I don't need your advise.........on what to wear when I am in the "private thing".......

Firstly, it is disliked for the spouses to be completely naked during the act of sexual intercourse.

For quickies during lunch breaks,.......no problem..........

These guys are ignorant.......ignore them!!!!

Cheers
fatak

It IS a well-known fact that it's makrooh in Islam for the couple to be completely naked, that doesn't mean HARAM it just means Islam would prefer if you werent.....

Anyways......taking pics? That's porn to me, sorry!

Originally posted by Enigma
It IS a well-known fact that it's makrooh in Islam for the couple to be completely naked, that doesn't mean HARAM it just means Islam would prefer if you werent.....


lady i know everything in islam makes sense (to me it does anyway), so can you pleeeeeeease tell me what's the wisdom behind tis anti-undressing rule??

Anyways......taking pics? That's porn to me, sorry!

and i guess you gonna tell me that porn is haram too!!

Originally posted by fatak

For quickies during lunch breaks,.......no problem..........



Can you give me the address of where you work? i wanna apply for a job.

i have peanut butter snadwich in my lunch breaks and you guys have quickies!!!! is this a Japanese thing?

Originally posted by Big MO
can you pleeeeeeease tell me what's the wisdom behind tis anti-undressing rule??

I'll have to get back to you on this one.


and i guess you gonna tell me that porn is haram too!!

I'm not even gonna answer that! :rolleyes:

Ok, I found this ('eat slugs' Icey):

It is permissible for the husband and wife to bath together in the same place even though he sees her private parts, and she sees his. This is established by a number of authentic hadith, among them:

On the authority of 'Aa'ishah (radiallahu anha) who said: "I used to bathe with the Prophet from a single container of water which was placed between us such that our hands collided inside it. He used to race me such that I would say: `Leave some for me, leave some for me!' She added: `We were in a state of Janaba (i.e. the state of having slept together).'"[Al-Bukharee and Muslim].

On the authority of Mu'aawiya ibn Haida, who said: "I said: `O Messenger of Allaah, which of our nakedness is allowed, and of which must we beware?' The Prophet answered, "Guard your nakedness excpet from your wife or those whom your right hand possesses." (So it is permissible for both spouses to look at and touch the body of his or her companion even the private parts). He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about if the relatives live together with each other?' The Prophet answered : "If you can make sure that no one ever sees your nakedness, then do so." He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about when one is alone?' The Prophet said: "Allah is more deserving of your modesty than are the people"."[Ahmad, Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhee and others: Saheeh]

see enigma, now that makes sense expect one thing:

"Guard your nakedness excpet from your wife or those whom your right hand possesses."

i will ask the question again, if she ain't your wife why the hell are you showing her your thing??

Originally posted by Big MO
i will ask the question again, if she ain't your wife why the hell are you showing her your thing??

Mo, what are you on about? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Enigma
Mo, what are you on about? :rolleyes:

the hadeeth which you posted says it's ok to show "whom your right hand possesses" your private parts which means slaves. me no understand!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Big MO
the hadeeth which you posted says it's ok to show "whom your right hand possesses" your private parts which means slaves. me no understand!!!!!!!!!


Well, back in those days the muslims had slaves and captives which were 7alal 3laihum.

Originally posted by Enigma
Well, back in those days the muslims had slaves and captives which were 7alal 3laihum.

easy to say but why?? why would a man sleep with a woman other than his wife?? how could it be allowed?? did you know that one can have sex with his slave even if she doesn't want to!!!

and enigma islam is not is not just for back in those days! islam rules are for all times.

Originally posted by Big MO
the hadeeth which you posted says it's ok to show "whom your right hand possesses" your private parts which means slaves. me no understand!!!!!!!!! Come on...Big Mo, kick the ole brain into gear. I'm sure you can figuire this out. Not that hard to understand. It is still allowed per the Quran.

I wonder why we are born naked, since we have to cover ourselves for the rest of our lives?

My better half and myself sleep in what God gave us, snuggled up like two spoons. Only the dog could see anything besides us and if I catch him with a camera, I'll whip his little @ss ;)

I see no harm ... unless u loose the pics/videos ... then it will simply ruin your life ... so perhaps its better if u avoid such things ...

Originally posted by Enigma
Ok, I found this ('eat slugs' Icey):

It is permissible for the husband and wife to bath together in the same place even though he sees her private parts, and she sees his. This is established by a number of authentic hadith, among them:

On the authority of 'Aa'ishah (radiallahu anha) who said: "I used to bathe with the Prophet from a single container of water which was placed between us such that our hands collided inside it. He used to race me such that I would say: `Leave some for me, leave some for me!' She added: `We were in a state of Janaba (i.e. the state of having slept together).'"[Al-Bukharee and Muslim].

On the authority of Mu'aawiya ibn Haida, who said: "I said: `O Messenger of Allaah, which of our nakedness is allowed, and of which must we beware?' The Prophet answered, "Guard your nakedness excpet from your wife or those whom your right hand possesses." (So it is permissible for both spouses to look at and touch the body of his or her companion even the private parts). He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about if the relatives live together with each other?' The Prophet answered : "If you can make sure that no one ever sees your nakedness, then do so." He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about when one is alone?' The Prophet said: "Allah is more deserving of your modesty than are the people"."[Ahmad, Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhee and others: Saheeh]

RA,

Don't forget below hadeeth:

Sayyida Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) private parts”. (Sunan Ibn Majah, no. 662).

About the first hadeeth you mentioned, bathing from a signle container doesn't mean they are fully nacked.

We are not saying it's haram, the fatwa is saying "disliked".

Originally posted by IceTea
RA,

Don't forget below hadeeth:

Sayyida Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) private parts”. (Sunan Ibn Majah, no. 662).

We are not saying it's haram, the fatwa is saying "disliked".

Lipton,

why would Aisha tell people that???????????? I think your hadeeth has been made up.



Why is it disliked for the husband to see his wife naked? you or the dude who made the fatwa should say why its makrroh for the wife to be naked in front of the husband.....He probably made this fatwa when he woke up yesterday morning.
I dont have a problem with the fatwa about filming your self having sex.....but being half naked when your having sex doesnt make sense:lost:

Originally posted by IceTea
RA,

Don't forget below hadeeth:

Sayyida Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) private parts”. (Sunan Ibn Majah, no. 662).


That doesn't make it 7aram, she is speaking of herself and not saying that it is forbidden. :duh:

And Ice Tea, if they are bathing......umm how can their clothes be on?!

Originally posted by Big MO
easy to say but why?? why would a man sleep with a woman other than his wife?? how could it be allowed?? did you know that one can have sex with his slave even if she doesn't want to!!!

and enigma islam is not is not just for back in those days! islam rules are for all times.

I didn't SAY it wasn't for all times, but back then we had slaves, now we don't! Back then they had war captives, now we don't!

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Cheers
fatak

fatak Omani women are not allowed to have male slaves, however i can talk to some of my so called male friends and i'm sure they'll be thrille to have an american male slave who's willing to use handcuffs and whip.

I didn't SAY it wasn't for all times, but back then we had slaves, now we don't! Back then they had war captives, now we don't!But you still have that option per the Quran because it can never be changed. The Quran says you can have a slave today if you wanted one. There are people that would do this even though the whole world knows it is wrong.

Or is it not wrong and slavery should be allowed as the Quran says?

I must add the bible is full of slavery also. Like I have said I have issues with both books.

there are rules and regulations of slavery in islam. for a start no one can buy any human being. they have to be captives of a just war. never the less i still don't understand why slavery is allowed regardless. i can't justify it and will never defend it. i feel it's wrong, immoral and inhuman and i hope someone who knows out there come out and tell us why it's allowed in Islam.

It seems that ice tea is not very sure him self this is Y he couldn't give a final answer till now.....
I've asked about this & I've been told it is not 7aram when the couples are fully naked or not cauz every thing is 7alal for them after getting marriage,but sure by following the sharyaa rules, walah a3lam.

el7ilwa I think the fatwa is clear it's not saying it's haram for the couples to be fully nacked, it's saying it's dislike and it's prefered to cover themselves with something.

I am amazed! Now we have a sabla for this!!

:tiered:

Originally posted by IceTea
el7ilwa I think the fatwa is clear it's not saying it's haram for the couples to be fully nacked, it's saying it's dislike and it's prefered to cover themselves with something.

Yah, & what the word DISLIKE means in Islam?? If u did this thing which is dislike u r not making a sin so it isn't 7aram, but if avoid it u gonna get thawab...... So it isn't 7aram.