Umm i was just wondering is music reallt haram? i mean is all kind of music haram?! what about the songs that dont have swearing in?! and if it is haram? why is it? i mean eish el 7ekma.?!:lost:

I was wondering the same, am not really sure abt this, I heard that songs are 7aram because they contain bad ideas, and bad words, but these days not all songs are that way, there are alot of songs which juss talk about life and human nature, they arent all abt love, sex or conatin bad words
I dunno 9ara7a:lost:

Originally posted by ~*FaiThFuL*~
I was wondering the same, am not really sure abt this, I heard that songs are 7aram because they contain bad ideas, and bad words, but these days not all songs are that way, there are alot of songs which juss talk about life and human nature, they arent all abt love, sex or conatin bad words
I dunno 9ara7a:lost:

yeah exactly! ive been wondering about it for ages now!

We do a lot of prohibited things everyday, not just by listening to music, but do we even notice or stop and ask ourselves whether it's taboo in Islam or not? NO. We just go on with our lives.
Some people say that you can only listen to 'anasheed'; others say that you can listen to music if it does not contain bad words; others say that you can listen to music as long as it doesn't affect you or stop you from praying and stuff;while others say that music is haram whatsoever, because music and Quran can't meet in the same heart.

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem...



Well, the topic of Music in Isblam is quite a big one.. But I will rtry to give the main points here...

I will start with the hadeeth from Saheeh Al-Bukhari:

"Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.... "


There are two ways we understand from this hadeeth that music is haram:

-First of all, the prophet uses the word "permit" --in Arabic Yasta7illoon-- which means it has been prohibited by Sharee'a, but the people made it permissable...

-Secondly, the mentioning of music came along with prohibited acts such as Zinaa and alcohol...



Some scholars refer to verses form the Quran that indicate the prohibition of music..

take this verse as an example:

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…"[Luqman 31:6]

From Tafseer Al-Sa'di : "this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit...


Another verse from the Quran:

"Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Quraan)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements "[53:59-61]


Ibn Katheer interprets the meaning of teh word "amusments" as singing...



The only exeption to the rule of musical instruments is the Daff as it was used in weddings and joyfull occasions during the lifetime of the prophet...






Allah knows best

salam everyone:

as i asked one of the Imam's edges ago about this question , which has been throgh my mind long time ago, and he said that it depends on the type of music, for example if you listen to a song which talks about the country or war ,life ,poor people....etc i.e. somthin important that you have to think of, so thats fine , but if you are listening to other type of songs which can made you going to the wrong path for example love songs, swearing....etc .is haram, becouse your ears is listinig to somthing bad and you then learn bad things from that.and i think (as my opinion) that every part of your body has to do ibada, so your ears doing ibada by listing to good things, mouth to say nice words, eyes to watch good things.....etc, and they will be asked in the last day about the things that they were doing in the donya.:rolleyes:

i really can't see how music can be haram if it doesn't distract a person from praying.

salam BM

i think it does

Originally posted by Bimzoori

The only exeption to the rule of musical instruments is the Daff as it was used in weddings and joyfull occasions during the lifetime of the prophet...

Another verse from the Quran:

"Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Quraan)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements "[53:59-61]

Allah knows best

Sounds pretty clear.

You must give up your MP3 players, iPods, CD's, etc. to please your God.

Bimzoori, wouldn't computer games also fall under the prohibitions against "Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements" ?

... and wouldn't the Sabla be "idle talk " ?

This is getting ridiculous.

No offence, but it really is.

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
This is getting ridiculous.

No offence, but it really is.


"Say: O disbelievers!I worship not that which ye worship. Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine."[Quran 109:1-6]

Awesome.

All of you who has listened to Music in your lifetime has sinned. Can you believe that?

:rolleyes:

...

Bimmi, don't you listen to Music? Never have? Or never will?

Originally posted by Wanderer


Bimzoori, wouldn't computer games also fall under the prohibitions against "Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements" ?




The secret word here is being Moderate... computer games can be a waste of time, depending on how moderately you consume it...


"If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct. "[[6:55]

So, everything is a sin if not consumed in moderation?

Deleted.. :)

Have you read the philosophies of Plato?

He had this idea of cleansing your own soul before you look at the outside world, and that being the only way to be closer to God ... or the way I look at it, perfection.

Introspection, to be precise.

...

To quote a few thoughts of his ... sex is good, as long as it is for reproduction purposes only. Eating is good, as long as it is to quench your hunger.

....

Guess this analogy also falls in the same category.

Originally posted by Bimzoori
The secret word here is being Moderate... computer games can be a waste of time, depending on how moderately you consume it...


"If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct. "[[6:55]

Then why wouldn't this justification via "moderation" apply to music, games, Sabla, and drinking wine ?

Originally posted by Shinoda LP

To quote a few thoughts of his ... sex is good, as long as it is for reproduction purposes only.



Then Plato could be an idiot.

Originally posted by Wanderer
Then why wouldn't this justification via "moderation" apply to music, games, Sabla, and drinking wine ?


I believe it does.. too much of anything is not good..

wine is haram in the first place.. so it doesnt apply here.

I could agree less Wandy ... specially when it comes to sex ... lol

But, we've got to give it to him ... don't we? He thought of all this crap, way back in the days.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bimzoori
I believe it does [moderation].. too much of anything is not good..

wine is haram in the first place.. so it doesnt apply here.

Yes, but so too are music, musical instruments, idle talks, alcohol, etc.

You have to show that the Quran allows music, musical instruments, idle talks, and by extension Sabla time and computer games, MSN, etc., are allowed in moderation. So far we see moderation in your comments not from the Quran about these particular things - indeed, we see them specifically forbidden, without mention of conditional moderation, in the Quran.

Teachings of the Quran dont necesarily have to be specific.. because there are things that exist today which were not present 1400 year ago...

we, as mUlsims, know that we should be moderate in all aspects of life.. we have been made for a reason..we have duties to fullfil.. not only towards Allah, but also towards the community... the time we have is precious and thus should not be wasted on silly things..

In the day of Judgmet we will be asked about how we spent our time/money and youth and whether we spent it in good or bad...

Originally posted by Bimzoori
Teachings of the Quran dont necesarily have to be specific.. because there are things that exist today which were not present 1400 year ago...

Of course, agreed.

So back to answering the question with the information from the Quran -

is music, musical instruments - and by extension MP3 players, etc., dancing, playing games of chance - say a board game with dice like Yatzee, and chit chat allowed ?


This is not about how you feel about it, but what the Quran states/implies. It not about building foundations and prioritizing, but whether it is allowed or not.

Dear All,

This is really something that Drags me down whenever I come across fanatic Muslims they always say that Music is Forbidden in Islam+I am a Muslim myself and I never saw any book that mentions Music has being Haram or forbidden in Islam!

Few days back I got the Shock of my life when one of our Member staff gave away his Resignation from the Company saying that 'He Dosesn't Want To Earn Haram Money'

I think the Guy has been Brain Washed and Gone nuts Like anyother Islamic Fanatic!

The story of Cat steven's is a Perfect example for this Topic! - But Where did he came back in the End?!


What Does the Music Means for you in your life?!
Is it just a Time pass or just realxing?!


Regards,

i just realized after reading your post thatmusic is really haram.

i therefore gonna throw away all my cds, all 700 of them. i'm gonna throw away my amplifier, cd player, the portable cd player and the two mp3 players.

i'm gonna pray to allah very hard so he can forgive me for the 50 concerts i've been to and for listening to music every single day in the past 10 years. i'm gonna pray for forgiveness for going to bed listening to soft music and getting up to the sounds of New Jack Swing.

astaghfer allah wallah wali altawfeeq

Lol What a Sense of Humor!


For Me All I need is Discman in Hell! - The fire and Burn i can bear it But No Music than thats killing me!

Originally posted by MusicMan

For Me All I need is Discman in Hell! - The fire and Burn i can bear it But No Music than thats killing me!

you wont be saying that when your a** is burning in flames (hopefully not inshallah).

for me hell is playing heavy metal full blast in a confined space.

but hey the good thing about hell is u get to see all the nice pretty female singers and actresses.

Originally posted by Big MO

but hey the good thing about hell is u get to see all the nice pretty female singers and actresses.

I don't think they'll be so pretty to look at then. :rolleyes:

I found a site if you're interested.......

Music is haram and poetry too........all things which take you away from Quran is NOt good for a muslim.......and western music is the worst...at least that is what I got from this article...

http://www.wakeup.org/anadolu/05/4/mustafa_sabri_en.html

What do you think?

I think it's such nonsense and narrow minded.......and now Cat Steven's is put down by Saudis.

http://catstevens.com/articles/00077/

But.....anyway have a look!!!
Cheers
fatak

Unfortunately, some Muslims believe that Music is prohibited/sinful in Islam._ According to Islam: Music that leads to sinful acts such as drugs, sex, violence, etc... is absolutely sinful in Islam._ But otherwise, how would it be sinful when Allah Almighty Himself allowed it to Prophet David peace be upon him?

Narrated Abu Musa:_ "That the Prophet said to him 'O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.' __ (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues of the Qur'an, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568)"_

Let us look at Noble Verse 4:163 "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms."_

Let us look at Noble Verse 17:55 "And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms."

In the above Saying (Hadith) and Noble Verses, we clearly see that Allah Almighty did send the Book of Psalm to Prophet David peace be upon him._ We also see that Allah Almighty called that Book a gift._ If Allah Almighty allowed David peace be upon him and his followers to sing and play music, then how could we then claim that music is sinful and prohibited?

You might just point out to the hardcore types this one...

Good luck..

Cheers
fatak_

this was discussed before here (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=14549) hope this helps

i am so Glad that people have already taken the step of discussing things that concerns Music!


I am not here to Judge others on their opinion, But for me Music is a Mircale of Almghty God Bestowed Upon Mankind - So why should it be Haram in anyway.

As a matter of Fact I thank God for it.

Alsalam alaikum,

Brother, since the same topic has been discussed in a different topic recently, would you mind if we merge the two together under one title... so we can continue ur discussion there?

Dear Bimzoori, It's Perfect, for me all i care is the existence of the Topic.

Note: the two threads are now merged... please continue here

Originally posted by fatak
Unfortunately, some Muslims believe that Music is prohibited/sinful in Islam._ According to Islam: Music that leads to sinful acts such as drugs, sex, violence, etc... fatak_



Dear Fatak, You have been a Huge Help!


It's only some SAD SOUL'S in this planet who are responsible of creating their ultimate Islamic rules in order to create Hatred among fellow Humans!


I think we have enough Misery around us and only thing that is Bridgeing the Gap between the heart's of people is the Music!

Songs as Example:

Heal The World
There is no X'mas in Africa
Black or White
Whats going on

And many many more...

Brother as I can see you are really don't accept that music is 7aram, Ok may I ask a Q??? What do u prefer at the other your pray or listening/playing a music???Or in other words what comes first to u??

Originally posted by el7ilwa
Brother as I can see you are really don't accept that music is 7aram, Ok may I ask a Q??? What do u prefer at the other your pray or listening/playing a music???Or in other words what comes first to u??


And who say it's Haram? - A man who managed to Grow a Flip Flap Bread as his only achievement in life!

Prayer has its Time and so does Evrything!

There was poverty, Hunger and Deaths in Africa and ppl who helped them were Singer's! through their songs!

Music is 7aram this is 4 sure cauz I've read ayah about this, but I can't remember it very well now to post it...... But what I think is, if music doesn't affect your worshipping to alah & your prayers time so there is no harm from it....... this is what I think & alah a3lam.

Dear MusicMAN.......

Dear Fatak, You have been a Huge Help!


Thanks, but I can't take the credit, and for sure I am NOT a muslim scolar..

I just put this together from a web site.

I am a mere student of Islam......

I hope the other members can help with their knowledge.

Cheers
fatak

Beeen asking about it.. and Yes Music Is Haram...Its like u can listen to Quran instead of music.....But anyway.. we all still listen to music...as for me i Do... and i dont know if i can stop it..

It hasn't been fully proven that it's haram. The scholars themselves are separated into two groups:

One who consider it haram and say it falls under 'lahu' from the Quran, thus it is forbidden.

Another who say it is only haram when foul or inappropriate words are used. And they use the hadeeth's that Mohammed PBUH asked the people to bang on a drum and sing when he was marrying Aisha. Also el Na9ara (people of Madina) sang on a certain occasion, plus many of the goat herders would sing while on the job.....


I've done alot of research on it.....seems to be undecided.

Originally posted by fatak
Dear MusicMAN.......

Thanks, but I can't take the credit, and for sure I am NOT a muslim scolar..

I just put this together from a web site.

I am a mere student of Islam......

I hope the other members can help with their knowledge.

Cheers
fatak


dear Fatak, If Music is haram Than everything in life is Haram! - We all are Haram.

Let's all go to Bin Ladin and Mulla Omar and help them once agian create their Ultimate World of Desire!

Originally posted by MusicMan
dear Fatak, If Music is haram Than everything in life is Haram! - We all are Haram.

Let's all go to Bin Ladin and Mulla Omar and help them once agian create their Ultimate World of Desire!

exactly and i totally agree with you...

If everything haram in this world then whats left?

It all comes down to what you are listening to.

It simple.

What are the lyrics? What is the singer conveying to the audience?

There are many top singles with crazy lyrics, yet everybody accepts them and loves listengin and singing along with them.

example/

songs like "i wanna have s** on the beach" - great summer hit 3/4 years ago and children were singing this song inthe street

Other songs dedicated to their lovers, making it clear that only that person love is what concerns them most in their life.

Such lyrics take you away from the rememberance of your Lord, when you liten to muzik then obviously disco and clubbing comes along with that.

dancing, dancing with others, indecent behaviour, flirting, drnking everything you have to do to mix with the crowd who likes music..........dont deny this............one thing leads to another and it is true.

When you listen to pop songs, dont u want to dress and act like them. copy their style and talk like them...Is that what you desire? to copy the kufar, disbeliever?


If everything haram in this world then whats left?

People with that thought are thought by me to be weak. Are you just concerned about this world? do you love this world so much that you feel angered when you are asked to sacrifice popular things happenin that majority people are into - like music? Which clearly is a dangerous thing that destructs the mind.........

The life, that is so short, that is like an illusion, that is not perfect, that is not peaceful and what? that this is it? nothing after it? that your body turns to dust, and the molecules of our body are recycled for other plants and animals?

Does it all end there?

The greatest trick the devil pulled was to fool the world into believing he doesnt exist....................

Let's all go to Bin Ladin and Mulla Omar and help them once agian create their Ultimate World of Desire

such a bizzare statement.

People today are greatly in need of education of politics and Islam.

Need a khalifah.

Originally posted by Scottish Gal
such a bizzare statement.

People today are greatly in need of education of politics and Islam.

Need a khalifah.


If a Khalifah wud come and see all this thing from the Isalmic extremists then believe me the Khalifa will HANG HIMSELF!

just i would like to bring attention to the hadeeth that says" singin is the adultry mail ".... why dont u ask some1 who has the knowledge and then tell us about it...thanx:)

Originally posted by uk_v8
just i would like to bring attention to the hadeeth that says" singin is the adultry mail ".... why dont u ask some1 who has the knowledge and then tell us about it...thanx:)


Hadeeth?! - Which hadeeth? Who's Hadeeth? Where Hadeeth? When Hadeeth?

A Man Who grows a Long Bread, Eats & $hits like everyone else! - Why should I listen to Him?!

Originally posted by uk_v8
just i would like to bring attention to the hadeeth that says" singin is the adultry mail ".... why dont u ask some1 who has the knowledge and then tell us about it...thanx:)


Hadeeth?! - Which hadeeth? Who's Hadeeth? Where Hadeeth? When Hadeeth?

A Man Who grows a Long Bread, Eats & $hits like everyone else! - Why should I listen to Him?!

Originally posted by MusicMan
Hadeeth?! - Which hadeeth? Who's Hadeeth? Where Hadeeth? When Hadeeth?

A Man Who grows a Long Bread, Eats & $hits like everyone else! - Why should I listen to Him?! ... ho ho ho... sorry bro/sis... i would never say something else to u cuz ur a CASE HEAD ...u dont wait for any thing else to say for u cuz therez nothing left in my left brain and therez nothing right in my right brain for ppl like u...have a bloody day..:fire:

so many people say music is haraam.
I have no idea why and I dont believe it is haram
But one of the islamic teachers in school mentioned that music drifts ur thoughts and heart away by listening to some of the lyrics like love songs for instance.
Music with Tabla only is Halal as I heard and that we get punished harshly if we listen to music.

I would like to believe that its not Haram and commonly not many disagree with me!

Originally posted by Homeless
But one of the islamic teachers in school mentioned that music drifts ur thoughts and heart away by listening to some of the lyrics like love songs for instance.


EnglishSabla is also Haram Coz it drift your heart and Mind
Women is also Haram Coz it drift your heart and Mind!
Clothes are also Haram coz it drift ur heart and mind!
Cars is also Haram Coz it drift your heart and Mind
Book is also Haram Coz it drift your heart and Mind

and rest of the thing in the world!


Only BOMBS & BIN LADIN is Halal!

lol at u musicman!
I really liked what u said! :eek:

Originally posted by Homeless
Music with Tabla only is Halal as I heard and that we get punished harshly if we listen to music.


that's not music. it's torture to listen to that crap.

Big Mo, you've just got to bring it into the modern age. If only the human voice and drums are allowed, and music shouldn't be beautiful i.e "musical" because it distracts, and the lyrics should all be about real everyday problems, then it is no true to say the music is haram. What it says is that God only likes hip hop. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by mimosa
Big Mo, you've just got to bring it into the modern age. If only the human voice and drums are allowed, and music shouldn't be beautiful i.e "musical" because it distracts, and the lyrics should all be about real everyday problems, then it is no true to say the music is haram. What it says is that God only likes hip hop. :rolleyes:

:D :D :D

to be honest .. i feel that forbidding music is way too much. i see no harm in it..as long as u follow whatever is required from u to follow and do when it comes to ur religion.

i can understand that some music can be a bad influence.. but what people are saying here is that ALL music is 7aram.. and i cant really accept that.

i gues it has more to do with the person than the material itself.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
i can understand that some music can be a bad influence.. but what people are saying here is that ALL music is 7aram.. and i cant really accept that.



only Madonna's music is haram.

Originally posted by Big MO
only Madonna's music is haram.

pfffff... :bang:

Ask yourself, "Does the music which you listen to make you do BAD stuff?". If not, it is not haram. And when the extremists say "ALL kinds of music are haram". Then offer them two pennies for their tip, and move on your life.

Originally posted by Don Khaled
Ask yourself, "Does the music which you listen to make you do BAD stuff?". If not, it is not haram. And when the extremists say "ALL kinds of music are haram". Then offer them two pennies for their tip, and move on your life.

the questions is who defines what "bad stuff" really is?

Originally posted by Big MO
the questions is who defines what "bad stuff" really is?

The Quran is the reference for that. For example, it is a sin to watch naked ladies whom are not your wives. So if this music you are watching on video clip has naked women, then it is 7aram to watch.

Does some song make you jerk off when you listen to it? Then that is 7aram. Does it make you hit your mother? Then 7aram. And so on.

Ofcourse, if I am going to sit and define you what is bad and what is not, then we will sit long time.

i like your replies don khaled.

peace.

In the Name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful

Originally posted by Don Khaled
The Quran is the reference for that.

I agree with you in this point the Quran is the refrence and I'm adding the Hadith as well.
And that's exactly what bimzoori said in her first reply that in the Quran and in the hadeeth it's haram

As in Surat Al Ahzab [33,36]
http://12.234.87.231/ayaimage/33_036.gif

ÝóåóÐöåö ÇáúÂíóÉ ÚóÇãøóÉ Ýöí ÌóãöíÚ ÇáúÃõãõæÑ æóÐóáößó Ãóäøóåõ ÅöÐóÇ Íóßóãó Çááøóå æóÑóÓõæáå ÈöÔóíúÁò ÝóáóíúÓó áöÃóÍóÏò ãõÎóÇáóÝóÊå æóáóÇ ÇöÎúÊöíóÇÑ áöÃóÍóÏò åóåõäóÇ æóáóÇ ÑóÃúí æóáóÇ Þóæúá ßóãóÇ ÞóÇáó ÊóÈóÇÑóßó æóÊóÚóÇáóì " ÝóáóÇ æóÑóÈøöß áóÇ íõÄúãöäõæäó ÍóÊøóì íõÍóßøöãõæß ÝöíãóÇ ÔóÌóÑ Èóíúäåãú Ëõãøó áóÇ íóÌöÏõæÇ Ýöí ÃóäúÝõÓåãú ÍóÑóÌðÇ ãöãøóÇ ÞóÖóíúÊ æóíõÓóáøöãõæÇ ÊóÓúáöíãðÇ " æóÝöí ÇáúÍóÏöíË æóÇóáøóÐöí äóÝúÓöí ÈöíóÏöåö áóÇ íõÄúãöä ÃóÍóÏßõãú ÍóÊøóì íóßõæä åóæóÇåõ ÊóÈóÚðÇ áöãóÇ ÌöÆúÊ Èöåö æóáöåóÐóÇ ÔóÏøóÏó Ýöí ÎöáóÇÝ Ðóáößó ÝóÞóÇáó " æóãóäú íóÚúÕö Çááøóå æóÑóÓõæáå ÝóÞóÏú Öóáøó ÖóáóÇáðÇ ãõÈöíäðÇ " ßóÞóæúáöåö ÊóÚóÇáóì" ÝóáúíóÍúÐóÑú ÇáøóÐöíäó íõÎóÇáöÝõæäó Úóäú ÃóãúÑå Ãóäú ÊõÕöíÈåõãú ÝöÊúäóÉ Ãóæú íõÕöíÈåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈ Ãóáöíã " .

In English translation [33,36]
"And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying. "

The Ayat are Clear whether we like it or not we have to obay Allah and his massenger's words. And Allah knows best.

May Allah guide us all to the right path. "Ameen"

Ayah, what's your point behind the reply? I do not see something saying "music is ALWAYS haram in any kind of mean". I only see "whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying."

Plus in the days of mohammed SAW, the music mainly was used for the "jawary" (DANCERS or whatever they are called) to dance for men, so it was more a SEX THING. The music used to give her a nice beat for shaking their butts.

Imagine no music in your life? What a boring life? Logically, music makes you feel better, either a soft one, or pop, or romantic ones. I am sure GOD did not say "NO MUSIC AND FULL STOP".

For Me All I need is Discman in Hell! - The fire and Burn i can bear it But No Music than thats killing me!

but hey the good thing about hell is u get to see all the nice pretty female singers and actresses.

And who say it's Haram? - A man who managed to Grow a Flip Flap Bread as his only achievement in life!

Hadeeth?! - Which hadeeth? Who's Hadeeth? Where Hadeeth? When Hadeeth?

A Man Who grows a Long Bread, Eats & $hits like everyone else! - Why should I listen to Him?!

And when the extremists say "ALL kinds of music are haram". Then offer them two pennies for their tip, and move on your life.

This is within this thread only.. we can see how some of the "muslims" think! and do we expect the ummah to stand?? is it how we should behave? I believe IF you have nothing to say or add a useful information to the Ummah then you better stay quiet. Because you'll be accounted for all what you say in the day of judgment. So please brothers and sisters think of every word you write before you type it down.

May Allah guide us all to the right path ya rub.. Ameen

Ayah, sali 3ala naby. I still did NOT get the answer from you.

I believe IF you have nothing to say or add a useful information to the Ummah then you better stay quiet.

This is the biggest problem which is facing our people. Because many are put down, they prefer to stay quiet. Do you think when you make people quiet then you are buying their minds? Believe me, you are mistake to think that way. Make people feel threatned by not speaking out, and this is what will happen, Hate will grow inside. I encourage people to speak out their mind and keep asking questions after questiong till they get convinced. Ofcourse, question differs from another.

Ayah, Again I will ask you "Show me the hadith or aya from Quran which says DO NOT LISTEN TO MUSIC AND FULL STOP!". I asked a very simple question and want a simple answer.

PS/I am not attacking you or anything, but I am confused because you are attacking me for something I still didn't understand while I get no answer except it was said, but with no source or anything.

We sing at church. It is very much part of the whole religious experince. If you have ever been to an all black church you would know where the roots of rythm and blues began.

If certain music offends you, don't listen to it.

Personally I don't listen to c--r@p.

Çááåã Õáí Úáì ÓíÏäÇ ãÍãÏ æ Úáì Çáå æ ÃÕÍÇÈå ÃÌãÚíä

I'm really sorry brother if my posts "seemed" as i'm attacking you no no.. I'm not at all.. I was saying in general.. and I dint say that people should stop asking.. they should ask and know what's righta nd what's not but what I meant from being quiet that they either ÇãÑ ÈÇáãÚÑæÝ æ Çáäåí Úä ÇáãäßÑ or stay quiet i mean if they do something wrong then do it alone and not even teach others and let them feel it's ok to do it.. got me? it's like ÇáÇãÑ ÈÇáãäßÑ æ Çáäåí Úä ÇáãÚÑæÝ!!

and about you question:

Ayah, Again I will ask you "Show me the hadith or aya from Quran which says DO NOT LISTEN TO MUSIC AND FULL STOP!". I asked a very simple question and want a simple answer.

As mentioned by bimzoori the ayat says it clear that it's idle talks..
"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…"[Luqman 31:6]

and in the hadeeth the prophet (peace be apon him) said:
"Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments.... "

and if you think it's not a Stright fwd saying "STOP IT" then even alcohol it doesnt say "STOP IT" but still it's haram. This is just to see who will obay Allah and who will not.

Sorry again for even your thaught that I attacked you.

Originally posted by Don Khaled
The Quran is the reference for that. For example, it is a sin to watch naked ladies whom are not your wives. So if this music you are watching on video clip has naked women, then it is 7aram to watch.

Does some song make you jerk off when you listen to it? Then that is 7aram. Does it make you hit your mother? Then 7aram. And so on.

Ofcourse, if I am going to sit and define you what is bad and what is not, then we will sit long time.

it's not always blck and white. there are many areas in between.

Ayah,
let's put it this way, in the Quran, there is NOTHING which says "Music is haram".

The scholars have two opinions, one is haram and the other not haram. But the strongest evident showing that it is NOT haram.

But I can "understand" why some scholars are against it. Because instead of listening most time to music, we can sit and listen to Quran. A valid point. But that does not give them the right to make listening to music haram.

Music is relaxing in a way. Just listen to some classic music, and you will know what I mean. NOT that I listen to classic music.

Originally posted by jack
We sing at church. It is very much part of the whole religious experince.
Sorry to go out of topic, anyway i suppose you are not muslim, just curious, in which way you all take it as part of the "whole religious experience?

HEY GUYS YOU CAN STOP LISTEN TO MUSIC ITS AN EXPERIENCE REALLY LISTEN WHEN EVER YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO MUSIC PUT ATAIP OF QURAN AND LISTEN PUT THE CASSTTE IN YOUR CAR THAT WHEN YOU SWICH ON THE CAR YOU LISTEN TO THE QURAN GOAD BLESS YA ALL

Islam And Music (http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=lessons&lesson_id=323&scholar_id=34)

...
..
.


Ya acually it is forbbiden ...

I have heard a talk 4 the Prphet Mohammed (sala ALLAH 3layh w'salam) & it was a related to the music ... which support that the music is 7ARAM

.
..
...

thsi topic seemed to cause a bit of a stir...many of you keep mentioning that in the Quran it has not been mentioned that music is haram..but come to think about how to pray isnt mention in the quran either..so does this mean we dont pray?

I have found this (http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=2712)hope it helps

My knowledge on theology is very much limited, you know that.
Hamd and Naat is also melodious recitation.
Ajan is also that.
I remember I read somewhere; there is evidence that proves Music is not Haram.
Please allow me some time to find out the reference.
What is Music?
Combination of voice and instrument/ voice or instrument only.
Sister 4-ever-young has provided a very valuable link above.
Extract from the site:
“Music should not be used as a form of stirring desires in man. This will definitely open the door for Satan, and this is what Islam goes against. So music can be lawfully or maliciously used.”
Only the thing to understand why and how you are using.

Originally posted by silver_ring
Islam And Music (http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=lessons&lesson_id=323&scholar_id=34)

shamsery its lesson for Shaikh : Mohamad AbdElHakim by english , just listen and u will find all answers :)

Well I am sure most of heard that music is haram, and some Islamic schools agree on that, some say that it's okay as long as it doesn't contain violent words.

Well my question is goes to the schools that say it's haram even if it doesn't have any bad words:

Why is it haram? What in the music makes hearing it haram?? Are there any clear evidence from the Quran or Hadith that says it's haram?


Note that, I am not against anyone, but I am just trying to understand :)

Thanks

You might take a look at Silver Angel thread:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=14832

It is really so hard to let go of music? i mean is listening to Quran going to harm you in anyway?

What is it that makes it so hard to stop listening to music..i was a music freak i would spend my money on cds etc memorizing the lyrics but i have decided Enough is enough..and i no longer listen or buy cds..but this decision wasnt made or acted upon over night it was gradual but i made it...

And i always had this vision what if i have a car accident and die and i got music blaring..i mean will that be the last thing i hear!

Sorry but I dont agree with this. Listening to music isn't haram. Find me the aya that says so. So long as the music isn't offending God, I cant see why it should be regarded as a sin.

I think I'm starting to understand the quote: "Feels so good, it must be a sin" :haha:

Originally posted by Cerulean
Sorry but I dont agree with this. Listening to music isn't haram. Find me the aya that says so. So long as the music isn't offending God, I cant see why it should be regarded as a sin.

It's not a matter of whether or not you agree with it. Some girls don't wear hijab for example because they're not 'convinced' that it's something they should do. Does that mean it's not haram? What is halal and haram is already decided. We can only choose to follow those rules.

And like 4-ever-young said, there is no ayah in the quran that tells us exactly how we should pray. Does that mean we can pray however we want? Just because something's not explicitly mentioned in the quran doesn't mean it should be dismissed.

I think that what is haram is the environment in which normally accompanies music.

For examle, night clubs, have music blaring, with people dancing and drinking. So definitely i would see that is haram.

While if you play music alone in your room, just for some entertainment and sometimes to excerise to, I cannot see why that would it be haram.

I also think it depends on what the music contains (e.g. bad language, lustful thoughts, etc).

But then I could be wrong, and Allah knows best.

you cant justify when it is haram or halal...and ok we agreed that many scholars have not deicded upon this matter as it is compliacted then shouldnt we just be safe and stop listening to it ..as we might be sinning by listening to it.."better be safe then sorry"

youngy .. the link you provided in your previous posts give a justification that music isnt by itself haram.
from the website :

".... Islam does not consider music as something haram. It just stipulates for music to keep its permissibility, it should not involve anything haram, it should not be taken as a means of committing unlawful things. Music should not be used as a form of stirring desires in man. This will definitely open the door for Satan, and this is what Islam goes against. So music can be lawfully or maliciously used. ...."

yes i know what it says Thanks arby..but as i said above many scholars are debating whether it is right or wrong so i think as a precaution just dont listen to it

I just think that people who totaly stop listening to music , thinking that its haram and all..arent really confident of themselves..and their faith in god , and are just weak.

why stop music if u're not going to have bad thoughts and ideas? if u know that u can never be influenced in a bad way.. cause u know that u're strong enough to do whats right.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I just think that people who totaly stop listening to music , thinking that its haram and all..arent really confident of themselves..and their faith in god , and are just weak.

why stop music if u're not going to have bad thoughts and ideas? if u know that u can never be influenced in a bad way.. cause u know that u're strong enough to do whats right.

No, Nabhan, I dont agree with you in this.

If a person strongly beleives its Haram and is convinced with it .. I think I respect him/her decision to stop listening to music ..

If someone is giving up something for Allah's cause is itself is enough and is given Thawab for that.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I just think that people who totaly stop listening to music , thinking that its haram and all..arent really confident of themselves..and their faith in god , and are just weak.

why stop music if u're not going to have bad thoughts and ideas? if u know that u can never be influenced in a bad way.. cause u know that u're strong enough to do whats right.

Oh really? If that's the case then why not drink alcohol if you know you're not gonna get drunk or do something stupid? Why not walk around butt naked if you know you're not going to turn ppl on or be inclined to do something you're not supposed to do? Why not sleep with a GF/BF if you know you love them and are serious about them and intend to marry them? Need I go on???

And I totally disagree that those ppl are weak. In fact they are stronger that those who do what's haram but don't have the strength/self-control to stop themselves. A weak person's someone who just goes along with whatever everyone else is doing even if they're not 100% sure/convinced that they're doing the right thing. And they're never able to admit when they're wrong but rather hide behind excuses to justify their actions. Only a strong person will have the confidence to stand up for themselves and what they believe in even if there's no one to support them. That's the difference between lions and mice.

Originally posted by Diva
Oh really? If that's the case then why not drink alcohol if you know you're not gonna get drunk or do something stupid? Why not walk around butt naked if you know you're not going to turn ppl on or be inclined to do something you're not supposed to do? Why not sleep with a GF/BF if you know you love them and are serious about them and intend to marry them? Need I go on???


please dont compare music , to alcohol which has an uncontrolable effect on you once you drink it .

seriously .. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT MUSIC? I DONT GET IT? WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD IT BE HARAM?

If listening to a beautiful instrument.. such as a piano or a flute would be considered haram .. then god forbid we have any fun at all on earth. no no.. we should all be locked up in a cave where we cant hear or see anything.

PUHLEASE!

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I just think that people who totaly stop listening to music , thinking that its haram and all..arent really confident of themselves..and their faith in god , and are just weak.

why stop music if u're not going to have bad thoughts and ideas? if u know that u can never be influenced in a bad way.. cause u know that u're strong enough to do whats right.

if this is your opinion then be so..but dont go judging ppl by what the deicde to do..as well dont insult them as you did by saying that they are weak and not confident as you quoted above...these ppl who i am one of love music but i decided to give it up for Allah..and that is something i am proud of..so dont disrespect me on that..i dont disrespect you for listening to music and enjoying it..

I just feel that i could listen to something that will i will benefit from like quran...it is Allahs book and as Muslims we are supposed to read and listen to it so what is wrong if i decide that is all i want to listen to?

wasnt insulting u 4-ever. dont be too sensitive. :p

i think we can all listen to quran , but that doesnt mean we have to quit music and totaly stop.

:)

I dont believe in taking things to the extreme. to be moderate and manage between the two.. thats would have been the best solution.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
please dont compare music , to alcohol which has an uncontrolable effect on you once you drink it .



Who said that alcohol has an uncontrollable effect once you drink it? It depends whether you want to actually be drunk or not.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
please dont compare music , to alcohol which has an uncontrolable effect on you once you drink it .

Why not?? Let's say someone just has a pint of beer. Or even 1/2 a pint. You can't really get drunk on that, can you? It won't really affect you that much so why not do it? Do you see the point??

Originally posted by NaBHaN
seriously .. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT MUSIC? I DONT GET IT? WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD IT BE HARAM?

When God forbids something it's good to know the reason why it's forbidden because then we don't feel like we're 'depriving' ourselves of something unnecessarily. But if we don't know the reason we still have to follow the rule. That's how it works. We can't just make up our own rules then claim we're doing what God's asked us to do.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I dont believe in taking things to the extreme. to be moderate and manage between the two.. thats would have been the best solution.

If something's forbidden then it's forbidden. There are no extremes. If there were then it would be alright for muslims to have a glass of wine or 2, right? Isn't that being moderate? :duh: I don't know if anyone knows for sure whether listening to music is haram but in situations like this there's a hadith that says (ÇÊøÞæÇ ÇáÔÈåÇÊ). I don't think it gets any clearer than this.

Originally posted by sophis^catrina
Who said that alcohol has an uncontrollable effect once you drink it? It depends whether you want to actually be drunk or not.

EXACTLY!!!

different amounts of alcohol have different effects on each person. ;)

but thats not our point here. :)

music is NOT haram.. and even if it was.. would i really care? nopes.. cause i know that I'm not harming myself..or anyone by listening to it.

the point of alchohol being haram..is that it has a direct bad effect on the person who drinks it..and the people around him.

now would u all tell me..what harm can music bring to u..and the people around u?

:yawn:

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I dont believe in taking things to the extreme. to be moderate and manage between the two.. thats would have been the best solution.

Moderation is the key point of our Muslim life: once we can deal with things around us in a moderate way, so as they do not affect our Deen, we will also have the ability to distinguish what is haram or halal without breaking Islamic teachings and this applies to all, music included.

Originally posted by NaBHaN

now would u all tell me..what harm can music bring to u..and the people around u?


Mr. Nabs read what I wrote way above :kewl: .

Originally posted by NaBHaN
different amounts of alcohol have different effects on each person. ;)

True but I don't think anyone would be affected by having a sip of alcohol and that's still haram.

Originally posted by NaBHaN
music is NOT haram

You say that with the confidence of a religious scholar when even the scholars haven't totally agreed on this point :bored:

The point is even if we all knew for sure that it was haram the majority of us would still choose to do it. So I don't see why the hell we can't at least agree that it might be haram!!! So what if ppl think you're not the stricest muslim? You openly admit that you're not, just like quite a few of us!! :rolleyes:

Music can't be banned...the Lebanese economy would collapse :p

It is NOT haram. Gawd, everything that is "enjoyable" is a sin nowadays. How does listening to music harm you? :rolleyes:

Yeah thats why i stopped listening to metal music ...

I Listen to Cars Engine

ÍæÇÑ ãÚ ÇáÌä æÇáÔíÇØíä

I Prefer to listen to Conversations With Jin and Shaitans reather than music :bored:

Originally posted by Cerulean
It is NOT haram.

And how did you arrive at that conclusion???

Originally posted by Cerulean
Gawd, everything that is "enjoyable" is a sin nowadays. How does listening to music harm you? :rolleyes:

No quite. If something's a sin that it's been a sin for over 1400 years, not just nowadays ;) And something doesn't necessarily have to harm you to be haram. Take sexual intercourse as an example. As long as the parties engaging in it take the necessary precautions, it won't harm anyone but it's still forbidden between an unmarried couple. Or plucking eyebrows...I don't see how it could harm anyone but it's still haram. We don't make the rules.

Many of you have come to a conclusion that it is not Haram..i join by voice with diva and ask how did you arrive to that conclusion?

just becuase you feel that there is nothing wrong in listening to music i don't think that any of us here have the knowledge to answer this question.. :twitch:

The music is haram thing again.....yuk.

I often wonder why muslims deny themselves all the wonderful things that God provides us.........such as creating music and art......why is that?

Alcohol was permitted by Christaians and Jews before Islam........then suddenly God changes his mind?

People will abuse anything........

Music is for the soul.......maybe it viewed by some to compete with worshipping God.........

fatak

Originally posted by fatak
The music is haram thing again.....yuk.

I often wonder why muslims deny themselves all the wonderful things that God provides us.........such as creating music and art......why is that?

Alcohol was permitted by Christaians and Jews before Islam........then suddenly God changes his mind?

People will abuse anything........

Music is for the soul.......maybe it viewed by some to compete with worshipping God.........

fatak

why do we have to enjoy our life since we know that we are going to die ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????////////////////////////:confused: :confused:

hey Patook
listen to me ..
i stopped listening to music and i stopped watching T.V in an early Age and i thank my God Alot ..

i spend most of my time working and worshiping Allah .. why do i have to enjoy if i know that im going to die ???

Patook think about it ? we are alllllllllllll going to die Mr-Patoook

:confused: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: loooooooool

Lets imagine its judgment day you are on a scale now your good deeds and bad deeds are being valued. On what part of the scale would music fall in?

Let’s hypothetically think that your bad deeds are out weighing the good deeds and you need good deeds BADLY!!! Would music help you out in that situation?

To end this, music may not be harm but it’s not halal either and we are better off without it especially on judgment day.

A person should ask him/her self questions. For those who listen to music a lot and think that they may go crazy if they were deprived from it:
-How often do I read/listen to Quran the same way I listen to music?
-How many chapters of Quran have I memorized? Compared to GB of mp3 that occupying our heads!
-The money and time wasted on Cds(RO 5 x cds owned),mp3 devices, downloading have I spent to get to listen to music..instead I could have used the time and money to help the needy

Well Said .......

:app:

4-ever-young change your avatar ..

i dont think that your avatar suite your words ...:shut:

Music is good because it brings innocent pleasure to others. The musician is to be loved and venerated.

I think some people are asking the wrong question: "how do you reach the conclusion that music is permitted?". Surely if it was forbidden, the Holy Books would have said so. They don't. Any of them.

Mimosa as i said before in one of my previous posts..you say its not written in any holy book and i take it that you are reffering to the Quran..but in the Quran does it tell us how to pray and how many times?

Personaly, I have read the two argument and I am leaning more towards the ones that says that its not haram if it wasnt used into a haram way.
By saying that, listening to it day and night is not the right way, making it distract you from reading Quran and so.
Also, listening to haram words that have a disctructive meanings. Watching it in videoclips that have haram enivroments.

Everything could be used in a good way and a bad way, we have to use our minds to use it in the best way suitable ..

and Allah knows best!

Nope, but it does say you should pray, and so do the other holy books in your religion. So you know you should pray, and have developed a tradition on how.

The Qur'An says nothing about music being wrong; it even says you should sing your praise (like Christians and Jews do), and that the angels do it too:

The Believer
[40.55] Therefore be patient; surely the promise of Allah is true; and ask protection for your fault and sing the praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning.

The Counsel
[42.5] The heavens may almost rend asunder from above them and the angels sing the praise of their Lord and ask forgiveness for those on earth; now surely Allah is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

Qaf
[50.39] Therefore be patient of what they say, and sing the praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before the setting.


If God didn't want you to have music, He would have said so. He didn't, and if someone else does, they're making it up.

I dont know why the translation of the word "sabih - ÓöóÈøÍ " was translated to sing?? :confused:

How would you translate it in this context?

I know it's been a while ... enough lets get to the matter at hand :)

I totaly agree with 4-ever-young and i have to mention that she did not say "MUSIC is HARAM" (and it's not HALAL either), she just meant it won't do a person any good when it matters most, so a person should do something useful with his time and mind instead of injecting his/her head with useless temporary satisfactory songs.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
By saying that, listening to it day and night is not the right way, making it distract you from reading Quran and so.
Also, listening to haram words that have a disctructive meanings. Watching it in videoclips that have haram enivroments.
If what you are saying is true than all forms of music now a days are considered "BAD", because everyone listen to music day and night, in the car, while studying, head phones...etc.
most of the songs now a days have words that are bad or at least stimulating in a wrong way and the videos are getting worse by the minute
need I go on, it seems to me people just want to give themselves excuses to listen to music and beleive me nobody can convince anyone if a person thinks what wrong he/she is doing is right

I stopped listening to music just recently and I have discovered new joy of memorizing Quran and listening to it in the car and if anyone does that or atleast memorized a few chapters from Quran he/she would never want to listen to music again try and tell me if i'm wrong

whether music is HARAM or HALAL, it won't benifit any one in the end.

please read what for everyoung wrote and try to be honest with yourselves and answer the question that's all

and Allah knows best

Originally posted by mimosa
How would you translate it in this context? I think that Sing is not the right translation for the word (ÓÈÍ) sabih. Sing is (Ûäí) gani and not sabih. I don't know where you have got your translation from, but it does not seem to be that accurate for, as far as I know, the word sabih does not envolve anything related to music. Besides, the translator maybe meant the kind of songs that contain no music and which is called doa3 or nashid or something like that.
Here is a translation of the ayah you mentioned quoted from islamfact.com
130. Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.

i just have one thing to say.. no matter what Quran can not be translated to any other language cuz this way, like what mimo showed above, it loses its true meaning and other people might understand it in another way...

there are some words in Arabic that you can not translate to English, like the word "sabih" there is no such related word in English and "sabih" for sure does not mean singing...

Originally posted by Azure
If what you are saying is true than all forms of music now a days are considered "BAD", because everyone listen to music day and night, in the car, while studying, head phones...etc.
most of the songs now a days have words that are bad or at least stimulating in a wrong way and the videos are getting worse by the minute
need I go on, it seems to me people just want to give themselves excuses to listen to music and beleive me nobody can convince anyone if a person thinks what wrong he/she is doing is right


you cant generalise this on everyone!! I hadly listen to music .. only in car (and not in the morning coz then I prefer to listen to Quran), but yet, I cant say that I dont listen to music coz I do .. I wont be denying that fact and I beleive that the intial idea isnt whats wrong, its how people are using it!!

Songs have wounderful words, words that every human needs we cant deny that!! Personaly I listen to the words not the music and this is why I like listen to poems read by different poets!

I highly respect Quran and I think its wrong to compare it to songs .. Quran is a duty of all of us .. if you compared songs with lectures, anasheed, poems then I would totally agree with you .. its more useful to listen to these things.. but something being more useful than another thing doesnt make haram!

Ive discussed this with many people, and as you said I dont think you will come to a conclusion .. as its said: "ikhtilaf al ulaamaa rahma - differences between scholars is a mercy" and as long as I agree with a scholar on the issue of music, I would stick to it!

I listen to music, I've been told countless times that it is haram by Islamic Studies teachers but I never really listened to them (if I did it only lasted two weeks) on the basis that there really wasn't a convincing reason. I'm sorry but I need to know WHY something is wrong for me to stop doing it.

I read tons and tons of fatwas on this; scholars can't seem to agree so I use my own brain to think it out and here's what I think:

I think that Islamis practical; it recognizes the fact that we are human beings and need relaxaion and some enjoyment just like food and sex. If the music you are listening to is purely for those reasons then why would it harm you or anyone else?

If it encourages bad deeds/feelings, sins, or even arouses you then I'd say thats where its considered haram.

Taking into consideration that I don't have LP blasting the stero at the time of the athan or the prayer, that I don't sing at the top of my voice in front of strange men ... etc.

It was not mentioned in the Quran (THAT is why you cannot compare it to alcohol) yet it is mentioned in hadith a few times:

1.Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.'

Although this hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity.


2. "From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.”

But this does not necessarily mean that music is haram, because what the hadith is about is indulging themselves in luxuries.

Soo.... the hadiths that DO mention music are either ambiguous or inauthentic. And all are declared weak.

---------------

“Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul.” (Al-A`raf: 157)

A quranic verse which states that only what is FOUL is prohibited. Music is only foul when it encourages sins and such as I've mentioned above.

------

Now I think that if it was really HARAM then we would have already reached that conclusion centuries ago. Its not mentioned in Quran, its mention in hadith is not authentic, if it was by ijma'a then we would have agreed already. Quias? There would be something equal that was proven in the Quran or Sunnah to match it up to.....

At the end of the day, you have a mind and you make your own choices. If you think its bad for you then DON'T listen... if you are confident enough to know that its only doing you good then do as you like.

I'm not making a fatwa here but this is how I came to my conclusion about this :)

Originally posted by 4-ever-young
Lets imagine its judgment day you are on a scale now your good deeds and bad deeds are being valued. On what part of the scale would music fall in?

Let’s hypothetically think that your bad deeds are out weighing the good deeds and you need good deeds BADLY!!! Would music help you out in that situation?




4-ever-young, I think it would be absolutely horrible if a person ended up on the day of judgment with an equal scale of good and bad deeds and the only thing left was music to account for!

First of all, that would say something pretty obvious about the person; we are told that our good deeds are multiplied by seven, and then... ( I dont remember the whole equation but it ends up around thousands!) And in addition to that for every good deed you merely THINK of doing is accouted for..... if you have bad deeds to equal all that then you must be a pretty terrible person :)

But you know what? I personally believe that even a person in that situation would go to heaven, not because I claim to know who will go to heaven but let me ask you how many times you finish your ayah or surah with the words 'In Allah '3afoor Ra7eem' ?

To end this, music may not be harm but it’s not halal either and we are better off without it especially on judgment day.

A person should ask him/her self questions. For those who listen to music a lot and think that they may go crazy if they were deprived from it:
-How often do I read/listen to Quran the same way I listen to music?
-How many chapters of Quran have I memorized? Compared to GB of mp3 that occupying our heads!
-The money and time wasted on Cds(RO 5 x cds owned),mp3 devices, downloading have I spent to get to listen to music..instead I could have used the time and money to help the needy

I don't understand how people compare Quran to music :tiered: Thats awfully degrading!

Reading Quran is a form or WORSHIP, listening to music is a pastime!

If you have spent all day at work, working for your family to support them, this is considered holy right? This in itself is a form of worship. So is studying! And you've prayed your 5 prayers with a complete neeya.. don't you think you've earned some time of relaxation?

People don't take into accountability all the things we do everyday that are condidered a form of worship. Heck even eating can be a form of worship if you make the neeya and say the du3a.

Islam ENCOURAGES you to relax, its a practical peaceful religion. Allah SWT knows that in order to be at our fullest the next day then we need to take it easy for awhile. Music helps people to relax..

I don't understand why people like to complicate the religion and make it into this extreme strict dictatorship. Islam came to make our lives easier :)

Well said enigma.. well said.:app:

Originally posted by Enigma
I'm sorry but I need to know WHY something is wrong for me to stop doing it.

Ok...lemma ask you this 1 question. What harm is there in plucking your eyebrows? There's a hadith that says (áÚä Çááå ÇáäøÇãÕÉ æÇáãÊäãÕÉ ) which curses the women who pluck their eyebrows and other ppl's. From what I know the reason behind its prohibition is because it changes the way you look. But what's the harm in that? There's another hadith that says (Åäø Çááå Ìãíá íÍÈ ÇáÌãÇá ) so that kinda encourages ppl to take care of their appearance, does it not? So let's say a woman gets her eyebrows 'cleaned' and walks around looking like a muslim woman, i.e. wearing a hijab, appropriate clothes, no make-up...etc. Most ppl might not even realise that she's had her eyebrows done cuz the difference might be subtle. But even if it's not. What harm could that do?

I think when ppl say that music's haram they mean the music we listen to nowadays. I don't think there's a total ban on listening to music cuz I know that songs that are created using a few musical instruments (like the daf) are permissible but the majority of the songs we listen to today (if not all) are what the religious scholars have a problem with. And to be honest, maybe there isn't a single ayah or hadith that prohibits music (I wouldn't know) but the ahadith that you mentioned (which you say are inauthentic) are enough to prove that there has always been some controversy about this issue. And in such situtations we're ordered to avoid whatever's uncertain (ÇÊøÞæÇ ÇáÔÈåÇÊ). Why take the risk of doing something which might be haram and be punished for it? How much will our lives change if we stopped listening to music? It's not like we're talking oxygen here! There are plenty of other things we can do to 'relax'. You said that music helps ppl relax. Funny...I heard many ppl say that about the quran.

Diva, did you take the hadith in school about plucking eyebrows?

They listed Four reasons, one was as you mentioned because it changes the way you look and thats a form of deceit, another was because you are changing Allah's creation (he intended you to look a certain way), because its worthless time consuming and fourth because its hurtful to your body.


There have even been some women who have developed diseases from constant plucking.

So let's say a woman gets her eyebrows 'cleaned'

The 'shaping' is haram, I've read fatwas of scholars saying that cleaning was okay. ;)

Originally posted by Enigma
Diva, did you take the hadith in school about plucking eyebrows?

Yes I did :blush:

Originally posted by Enigma
They listed Four reasons, one was as you mentioned because it changes the way you look and thats a form of deceit, another was because you are changing Allah's creation (he intended you to look a certain way), because its worthless time consuming and fourth because its hurtful to your body.

You're right...but if you're only 'cleaning' your eyebrows how much of these actually apply? Are you convinced that these are good enough reasons??


Originally posted by Enigma
There have even been some women who have developed diseases from constant plucking.

How many? Enough to justify a total ban on the millions of women who never got anything more than a little scar maybe? And as you said it's from constant plucking. But if a woman was only gonna pluck her eyebrows once in her lifetime and not experience any of the above, it's still haram.


Originally posted by Enigma
The 'shaping' is haram, I've read fatwas of scholars saying that cleaning was okay. ;)

Yeah but other scholars insist to this day that it's haram. What are we to do? Follow the one that's given a more favourable judgement to us and hope that they're right?

Am I supposed to translate that I wrote in my post (the 1 above)? All 3 of them basically say that music is haram.

Yes you're supossed to translate :scratch:

Diva if you want to talk about eyebrow plucking, then maybe open a thread so we don't go off topic?

We've had some in the past, I've stated my opinion there:

Link (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17230&highlight=eyebrow+plucking)

The shi3a don't even consider it haram. :os

Originally posted by Enigma
Yes you're supossed to translate :scratch:

Oh God :tiered: I'm really not good at that sorta thing and I'm too tired to at the moment anyway. Be a dear and delete it please :inno:

Originally posted by Enigma
Diva if you want to talk about eyebrow plucking, then maybe open a thread so we don't go off topic?

Maybe not. I only brought it up as an example. Opinions are divided on that issue as well so if I did start a topic we'll only be going round in circles with another!!


Originally posted by Enigma
The shi3a don't even consider it haram. :os

Interesting...I never knew that. Thanx for the link anyway. Will check it out.

So nobody has a translation for "sib7"?! OK, let me give you a better one. In English, rather than "sing", we also use "chant", in the context of tuneful recitation of holy texts or words of religious devotion. That's probably a better translation. But it's still musical rather than the simple spoken word.

By the way, the translation I referred to is the same on-line Qur'An that a lot of members here quote from - I found it from you guys!

The simple fact is that the Qur'An says nothing about music being bad. If some people want to put salt and pepper on it, that's their business. But it's nothing to do with Islam as far as I can see.

Better be safe than sorry, that is what I always say. And as Diva said "avoid whatever's uncertain (ÇÊøÞæÇ ÇáÔÈåÇÊ)".....

Mimo,

I read a translation of the Quran we have at home and it translated "sabi7" to glorify ..

I dont think there is an exact translation for that.

Well all I know for sure.....is that heavy metal music is from hell for sure.....

fatak

MUSIC IN ISLAM

Introduction

In recent years, certain developments have taken place which has brought the subject of music as an extremely significant issue. Music has spread to such an extent that it is afflicting every muslim in this modern era. Today, individuals are being confronted by a situation where one is forced to listen to music whether by choice or without. Music is played in nearly all department stores and super markets. Even whilst walking in the streets, we find cars blaring with music. No matter which direction we go, we are blasted with music. The increasing popularity of music, which is prevalent in our society poses a tremendous danger for muslims.


Music is Haraam

References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:

1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.

When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied

“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.

One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :

`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.

Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.


MUSIC - IT`S EFFECTS

Muslims are aware that nothing has been prohibited by Allah except that which is harmful to the welfare of a Muslim individual and the society as a whole. The divine attribute behind the prohibition of music can be comprehended by looking into the diverse influence music can have.

Experiments carried out by doctors and professors have confirmed that the music of today is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of one`s body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements. We find that people listening to music automatically start tapping their fingers and feet, as if the music is permeating in their blood.

It is also proved that music affect`s one`s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various physiological changes in the person. In a psychology experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one`s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

It is a very ignorant and misguided attitude to percieve music as a form of pleasure and passing of time, since the messages of today`s music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the kufr idea of freedom, i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc. In western schools and universities, we observe independence, free expression and secular thinking being encouraged. This idea of freedom, “ It`s my life, I`ll do what I want” is a predominant, underlying theme of today`s music. It is being used as a means for drilling western ideologies, which are totally contrary to Islamic Shariah and values, into the minds of Muslims.

One should abstain from evil audacities such as listening to music and encourage others to do the same too.

MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL TO THE STRAIGHT PATH-
AMEEN.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the kufr idea of freedom, i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc.

Is there any other kind of freedom?

I find your remarks so silly.

Once again the brainwashing continues!!!!!!

fatak

Originally posted by Blood Rose
References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:

1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.

When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied

“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.

This was one of the ayat I had posted. The ayah is Surat Luqman:6.


Originally posted by Blood Rose
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :

`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.

Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.

This was the other one. I think the hadith is very clear. I don't see how anyone can get round this. Unless someone can prove that its inauthentic.

Thanx for providing these ahadith in English, Blood Rose (although you probably didn't even realise I was looking for a translation!).

To all Muslims just wanted to say something...

Insted of listening to music you could spend time learning Quraan because it's our duty to do so and you won't end up arguing.

I don't think any of us in here (correct me if i am wrong) learnned Qurran ( i mean knowing the meanings of all ayat and how powerful every letter,word.. etc. is) even the Ulama are still learning from Qurran now what are we to say about that?

Please insted of listening to music use the time to learn something from Quraan..ok i know you will say this is the way we relax you could find another way to relax for example.....go and listen to the waves, read,take a relaxing bath, draw, look at the stars at night...etc and above all the best way to relax is to read or listen to THE HOLY QURAAN.


A WINNER USES TIME TO GAIN NOT LOSE OR GET EQUAL

[/look at the stars at night
:app: :hyper:

Try To Read the holy quran at the mid night alone in a dark place in order to get rid of Evil Spirits and Jinn ..

Insted of listening to music you could spend time learning Quraan because it's our duty to do so and you won't end up arguing.

We're supposed to learn the quran 24/7? What are you doing online! :eyes:

I don't understand why people like to complicate the religion and make it into this extreme strict dictatorship. Islam came to make our lives easier

Exactly! Thanks a bunch. ;)

We're supposed to learn the quran 24/7? What are you doing online!

I didn't say that....Do you listen to music 24/7??? i don't think so.

i will make it clear for you....."INSTED" OF LISTENNING TO MUSIC YOU CAN USE THAT TIME TO READ,LEARN THE HOLY QURAAN.....IT COULD BE 1 HOUR 2 OR LESS AS YOU WISH .

At the end god is the one who will judge us ....it's up to you... we won't be in the same grave.

Well, Lulz instead of comin' online, u could spend ur time reading Qura'an.

At the end god is the one who will judge us ....it's up to you... we won't be in the same grave.

LOL! What a relief! :D

Anyway, I dont wanna pick up a fight now. I'm a peaceful person (who happens to be very mean and sarcastic :rolleyes: ) so I'm gonna end it at this. I just hope people focuss on the BIG issues rather than listening to music, etc. As far as I'm concerned, we humans have a right to enjoy life.. and if listening to music makes me happy, then let it be. It wasnt mentioned in the Quran, and that's good enough for me. Sometimes we need to use our common sense (seems like its least common :duck: ) rather than follow so-called religious people who regard everything as a sin.

My two "baisas". :haha:

I dont think there is anything wrong with Arabic music because all the singers stick to one subject and its love.

Rap music is total danger for the young genration thier type of music can brain wash you with out even knowing it did damge to your brain. i'll be honest with you it did damge my brain ..it makes me angery every time i listen to it...

Originally posted by Black-Cobra79
I dont think there is anything wrong with Arabic music because all the singers stick to one subject and its love.

Rap music is total danger for the young genration thier type of music can brain wash you with out even knowing it did damge to your brain. i'll be honest with you it did damge my brain ..it makes me angery every time i listen to it...

Sorry i do not agree with you here .. Love Songs are more Danger than any other type of music ..

Look at the lyrics and think about it ..

all i see that metal music keeps me away from girls away from and away from thinking about doing any thing included sexual Terms ...

Metal rulzzzzz:bored:

I wonder why Enigma is defending the issue of songs and we have the following Quran verse:


æóãöäó ÇáäøóÇÓö ãóäú íóÔúÊóÑöí áóåúæó ÇáúÍóÏöíËö áöíõÖöáøó Úóäú ÓóÈöíáö Çááøóåö ÈöÛóíúÑö Úöáúãò æóíóÊøóÎöÐóåóÇ åõÒõæðÇ ÃõæáóÆößó áóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈñ ãõåöíäñ


"And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement."


áóãøóÇ ÐóßóÑó ÊóÚóÇáóì ÍóÇá ÇáÓøõÚóÏóÇÁ æóåõãú ÇáøóÐöíäó íóåúÊóÏõæäó ÈößöÊóÇÈö Çááøóå æóíóäúÊóÝöÚõæäó ÈöÓóãóÇÚöåö ßóãóÇ ÞóÇáó ÊóÚóÇáóì " Çááøóå äóÒøóáó ÃóÍúÓóä ÇáúÍóÏöíË ßöÊóÇÈðÇ ãõÊóÔóÇÈöåðÇ ãóËóÇäöíó ÊóÞúÔóÚöÑø ãöäúåõ ÌõáõæÏ ÇáøóÐöíäó íóÎúÔóæúäó ÑóÈøåãú Ëõãøó Êóáöíäó ÌõáõæÏåãú æóÞõáõæÈåãú Åöáóì ÐößúÑ Çááøóå " ÇáúÂíóÉ ÚóØóÝó ÈöÐößúÑö ÍóÇá ÇáúÃóÔúÞöíóÇÁ ÇáøóÐöíäó ÃóÚúÑóÖõæÇ Úóäú ÇáöÇäúÊöÝóÇÚ ÈöÓóãóÇÚö ßóáóÇã Çááøóå æóÃóÞúÈóáõæÇ Úóáóì ÇöÓúÊöãóÇÚ ÇáúãóÒóÇãöíÑ æóÇáúÛöäóÇÁ ÈöÇáúÃóáúÍóÇäö æóÂáóÇÊ ÇáØøóÑóÈ ßóãóÇ ÞóÇáó ÇöÈúä ãóÓúÚõæÏ Ýöí Þóæúáå ÊóÚóÇáóì " æóãöäú ÇáäøóÇÓ ãóäú íóÔúÊóÑöí áóåúæ ÇáúÍóÏöíË áöíõÖöáø Úóäú ÓóÈöíá Çááøóå " ÞóÇáó åõæó æóÇóááøóå ÇáúÛöäóÇÁ


And Allah say in the Quran:


Çááøóåõ äóÒøóáó ÃóÍúÓóäó ÇáúÍóÏöíËö ßöÊóÇÈðÇ ãõÊóÔóÇÈöåðÇ ãóËóÇäöíó ÊóÞúÔóÚöÑøõ ãöäúåõ ÌõáõæÏõ ÇáøóÐöíäó íóÎúÔóæúäó ÑóÈøóåõãú Ëõãøó Êóáöíäõ ÌõáõæÏõåõãú æóÞõáõæÈõåõãú Åöáóì ÐößúÑö Çááøóåö Ðóáößó åõÏóì Çááøóåö íóåúÏöí Èöåö ãóäú íóÔóÇÁõ æóãóäú íõÖúáöáö Çááøóåõ ÝóãóÇ áóåõ ãöäú åóÇÏò



"Allah has revealed the best announcement, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him."

Second point every person will be asked about 4 things on the final day and one of them about the youth period what did he spend it for. Are you going to tell your God that I spent part of my youth period listening to music??

Thired point isn't listening to music considerd as a waste of time and humans are asked to spend their time in this life for things for useful things that will make them happy in the hereafter.

There is also a Hadith saying what it means that "the halal is clear and the haram is clear and between them there are uncertain things ...." so shoudn't we avoide the things in between them if we assume there is no clear evidence let alone the amount of evidences which suggest that music is haram even indirectly.

Thired point isn't listening to music considerd as a waste of time and humans are asked to spend their time in this life for things for useful things that will make them happy in the hereafter

Some would argue that spending so much time on an Internet discussion board would also be classified as a waste of time.....

I dont know if Music is Harram or not but by reading Bimzouri's posts and some other members i can see that they're are actual verses of the Quraan that states that music is harram. So to me..it is harram..but that doesnt mean that i dont listen to music.

Anyway the only reason i posted is because i've just read the entire thread and i have one thing to say :

I CANT STAND MUSICMAN!

Originally posted by }My Immortal{


I CANT STAND MUSICMAN!

thats why he's banned. ;)

-----------

anyways.. this whole music is haram discussion will never come to an end.. and so i would just say that even if it was.. there is no way i would stop listening to it cause i dont believe that it causes any kind of harm to me or anyone around me.

those who stop .. well then good for them.. they can lead a sad and dull life.. its none of my business.

Nabhan
You simply think that life without music is sad and dull but on the contrary as i subsituted music with Quran and i am very happy... you really dont know what you are talking about!
If i respect your decision then you should respect ours and not go on saying such things..and NO i am not senstive

Originally posted by NaBHaN
...and so i would just say that even if it was.. there is no way i would stop listening to it ...

those who stop .. well then good for them.. they can lead a sad and dull life.. its none of my business. why i'm not surprised this coming from you? any way I think you are intitled to your opinion but by saying you wouldn't stop even if it was haram... I think that's going too far
and Allah's folowers don't lead a sad and dull as you expect I don't know where you got that from but i'm sure in judgment day you'll regret saying it, I wish you will be enlighten to true Islam

maybe these links will help you reconsider what you just said

http://www.islamweb.net/php/php_arabic/FatwaAdvancedSearch.php?SearchType=SAME&lang=E&Word=Music&Option=All

http://www.islamweb.net/php/php_arabic/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=22575&Option=FatwaId

for Silver Angel if you really want to know the truth then this is a Fatwa about music

http://www.islamweb.net/php/php_arabic/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=835&Option=FatwaId

I hope this help answer your question

arabian Princess I advise you read this too

Sabla Members will be shocked ..:Shock:

Originally posted by Azure
why i'm not surprised this coming from you? any way I think you are intitled to your opinion but by saying you wouldn't stop even if it was haram... I think that's going too far
and Allah's folowers don't lead a sad and dull as you expect I don't know where you got that from but i'm sure in judgment day you'll regret saying it, I wish you will be enlighten to true Islam



I dont think i went too far. I would rather follow my instincts to what i belive is right and wrong , than follow the words of people who think they have it all figured out. I have read all around and there were sources which said music was haram , and others that said it wasnt. so now that its not clear.. I think i would rather take things to my own hands. :)

Originally posted by NaBHaN
I dont think i went too far. I would rather follow my instincts to what i belive is right and wrong , than follow the words of people who think they have it all figured out. I have read all around and there were sources which said music was haram , and others that said it wasnt. so now that its not clear.. I think i would rather take things to my own hands. :)

hmmm Masha allah Shikh Nabhan :app:

So what do you say about this Lyrics by Xtina Agulera-Dirrty



Dirrty
Filthy
Nasty
Too dirrty to clean my act up
If you ain't dirrty... you ain't here to party!

Ladies move, gentlemen move
Somebody ring the alarm
A fire on the roof
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
I said ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)

Ooh, I'm overdue
Gimme some room, I'm comin' through
Paid my dues, I'm in the mood
Me and my girls gonna shake the room
DJ's spinnin (show your hands)
And let's get dirrty (that's my jam)
I need that ... to get me off
Sweatin' till my clothes come off
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]


Do you consider it Halal ???? :confused:

Waiting for your answer Shikh nabhan

Originally posted by METAL PRIEST
hmmm Masha allah Shikh Nabhan :app:

So what do you say about this Lyrics by Xtina Agulera-Dirrty



Dirrty
Filthy
Nasty
Too dirrty to clean my act up
If you ain't dirrty... you ain't here to party!

Ladies move, gentlemen move
Somebody ring the alarm
A fire on the roof
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
I said ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)

Ooh, I'm overdue
Gimme some room, I'm comin' through
Paid my dues, I'm in the mood
Me and my girls gonna shake the room
DJ's spinnin (show your hands)
And let's get dirrty (that's my jam)
I need that ... to get me off
Sweatin' till my clothes come off
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]


Do you consider it Halal ???? :confused:

Waiting for your answer Shikh nabhan

no comments... ur question is lame. :)

Originally posted by METAL PRIEST
hmmm Masha allah Shikh Nabhan :app:

So what do you say about this Lyrics by Xtina Agulera-Dirrty



Dirrty
Filthy
Nasty
Too dirrty to clean my act up
If you ain't dirrty... you ain't here to party!

Ladies move, gentlemen move
Somebody ring the alarm
A fire on the roof
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
I said ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)
Ring the alarm (And I'm throwin elbows)

Ooh, I'm overdue
Gimme some room, I'm comin' through
Paid my dues, I'm in the mood
Me and my girls gonna shake the room
DJ's spinnin (show your hands)
And let's get dirrty (that's my jam)
I need that ... to get me off
Sweatin' till my clothes come off
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]


Do you consider it Halal ???? :confused:

Waiting for your answer Shikh nabhan

Asking such a question is as "haraam" as pondering over why "women masturbate when there are men to fulfill their pleasures".

Don't you think so, Manta?

Originally posted by Shinoda LP
Asking such a question is as "haraam" as pondering over why "women masturbate when there are men to fulfill their pleasures".

Don't you think so, Manta?

just a question. are you trying to say that its ok for women to masturbate if they didn't get married just to fulfill their pleasure? who are you to judge anyway? :confused:

it is haram, and so is listening to music..

Originally posted by NaBHaN
no comments... ur question is lame. :)

why no comments? and why do you say its a lame question? most (not all) songs specially English ones have lyrics like that.. about love (iclusing kissing and sex).. and after all you say its ok to listen to it?

If Music is Haram, then living is impossible.
Where in the Koran it’s written that Music is Haram?

[al-Muzammil 73:4.7] Or add (a little) thereto - and chant the Qur'an in measure,

This is THE ONLY VERSE in the entire Koran which even vaguely refers to something which MIGHT possibly mean SINGING (although it most likely has nothing to do with music).

The Psalms of Kind David are mentioned FIVE times in the Koran:

[Al-Imran 3:184.23] And if they deny thee, even so did they deny messengers who were before thee, who came with miracles and with the Psalms and with the Scripture giving light.

[an-Nisa' 4:163.44] Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;

[bani Isra'il 17:55.32] And thy Lord is Best Aware of all who are in the heavens and the earth. And we preferred some of the prophets above others, and unto David We gave the Psalms.

[Saba' 34:10.17] And assuredly We gave David grace from Us, (saying): O ye hills and birds, echo his psalms of praise! And We made the iron supple unto him,

[al-Fatir 35:25.25] And if they deny thee, those before them also denied. Their messengers came unto them with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), and with the Psalms and the Scripture giving light.

The Koran even says that the birds and the hills are commanded to praise God with the Psalms, yet not once does the Koran instruct Muslims to recite the Psalms.

The words "song" "songs" "musical" "sing" "singer" "singing" "melody" "tune" "tuneful" "melodious"

DO NOT APPEAR ONCE IN Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthalls English translation of the Koran.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page186.htm

Originally posted by NaBHaN
no comments... ur question is lame. :)

Lame :) okay Shikh Nabhan as you like :)

]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

Shinoda : you are not muslim so you should not discuss here in this thread ...

go and search for some thing else in your religion :)

:wave:

Originally posted by Hasnain
If Music is Haram, then living is impossible.
Where in the Koran it’s written that Music is Haram?
Same question

Where in the Quran its written that Masturbation is Haram ???????
:eek:

MUSIC AND SINGING WERE NEVER PROHIBITED BY GOD. They are part of the most beautiful creations of God. As long as they do not call on the people or encourage them to commit sins, they are for the TRUE BELIEVERS TO ENJOY while remembering God with every beautiful note or rhythm. Those who prohibit what God never did in the Quran will be surprised on the Last Day when the messenger of God will complain to God from them

http://www.submission.org/music.html

So Mr. Hasanat ..

you want to say that there are some Forbidden types of music and some of them are Halal ...

i just want your Opinion in this Lyrics .. Pleas Pay me some attention ..

Ooh, I'm overdue
Gimme some room, I'm comin' through
Paid my dues, I'm in the mood
Me and my girls gonna shake the room
DJ's spinnin (show your hands)
And let's get dirrty (that's my jam)
I need that ... to get me off
Sweatin' till my clothes come off

Do these Lyrics Considered Halal or Haram ..
According To Shikh Nabhan .. he said that it is no harm to listen to this type of music ..

So what do you Say Hasanain ?????

Waiting for your Answer ..:confused:

Originally posted by METAL PRIEST
So Mr. Hasanat ..

you want to say that there are some Forbidden types of music and some of them are Halal ...

i jus