I am curious to know if you hate them and why?

Cheers
fatak

For my info Jewish hate every one who is not jewish, cauz they think the are the ppl who alah choose them in the earth & others are not differ from animals.....you can read more about their belifes & u gonna find out that by your self:rolleyes: . SO do u think such ppl deserve love???

I don't know who your "info" is, but mine, based on personal knowledge of many Jewish friends, is that they don't hate anyone :rolleyes: . They are just regular people!

So, do you think such people "deserve love"? why the heck not?

elly, you've become a victim of blind stereotyping. Please, wait until you meet someone before you hate them...

Originally posted by MoonChild
I don't know who your "info" is, but mine, based on personal knowledge of many Jewish friends, is that they don't hate anyone :rolleyes: . They are just regular people!

So, do you think such people "deserve love"? why the heck not?

elly, you've become a victim of blind stereotyping. Please, wait until you meet someone before you hate them...

Dear I didn't say that I hate any body, but I asked if they deserve love:rolleyes: depends on their attituds against ppl, but maybe not all jewish are thinking the same about ppl from other religion who knows!!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by el7ilwa
maybe not all jewish are thinking the same about ppl from other religion who knows!!:rolleyes:

Yes, in the same way that "not all muslims" hate anyone not from the same religion. It's exactly the same - most muslims are good people not hating others ; most Jews are good people. If you judge a person by their religion or ethnic background, even to assume they "think about others" a certain way - that's racist.

I don't think you are a hateful person - I think you are very sweet, if a little naive about the rest of the world :). It just seems like you are repeating what you've been taught about there being whole groups of people who are a "certain way" based on color, background, religion, etc - and shame on your teachers!

Originally posted by fatak
I am curious to know if you hate them and why?

Cheers
fatak

no i don't hate them. a good friend of mine is jew.

Originally posted by MoonChild
Yes, in the same way that "not all muslims" hate anyone not from the same religion. It's exactly the same - most muslims are good people not hating others ; most Jews are good people. If you judge a person by their religion or ethnic background, even to assume they "think about others" a certain way - that's racist.

I don't think you are a hateful person - I think you are very sweet, if a little naive about the rest of the world :). It just seems like you are repeating what you've been taught about there being whole groups of people who are a "certain way" based on color, background, religion, etc - and shame on your teachers!

I can't disagree with u in the first part, but I don't know if u understand the feelings of iniquitousness, when you see these ppl & their hate to muslims & how they treat them, simply they deface their reputation by this & give the ppl dark idea about them, so once I hear Jewish I directly go with my mind to the ppl who are killing the innocent arabic kidds & families in Palestine:( , so as u can see it is not my teacher mistack at all.

The thread is about Jews in general, not Israeli's and the actions of the Israeli government ... I can certainly understand anger over the political situation, and the mutual enmity between Jews and Muslims in Israel and surrounding areas - but it's very different in other parts of the world.

There isn't any reason to hate some Jewish graduate student at Princeton, for instance - for what does she have to do with Sharon?

Originally posted by MoonChild

There isn't any reason to hate some Jewish graduate student at Princeton, for instance - for what does she have to do with Sharon?

Well yah if they don't accept what is happening from their mate in Israil & don't support them, then there is no base to hate them.... I don't know this is not an easy Q cauz it depends to the situation we are talking about, & Fatak didn't specified the situation he said in general!!!

Not at all.... some of my friends are jewish.

no...

Well i dont hate them at all, its not in my nature to hate anyboday witout meeting them,i dont like hating people infact a jew can be more closer with you and frindly then amuslim one,it depends,and thats considered as in one side, but in the other side we as muslims we dont have to prefer a jew person on a muslim!!!

its just doesnt matter if you had jew friend or christian ,

at the end we all humen biengs and should respect each other:)

1st thanks to all muslims/arabs for responding in a civilised manner. But think or try and ask non-muslims do they hate Palestinians and see whether they will care to respond.

In my view there is no reason to hate anyone or race if no harm has been comming from that direction.

What we see or know of jewish ppl is :

a) They hate non-jews they call us gentiles

b) They claim our lands and they eat out children and they burn our olds

c) The uproot our olive trees and they destroy our farms and demolish our homes

d) They brake our arms so not to plant trees or build our homes

e) When they can not do anything sensible they build a wall around themselves thus imprisoning their own

2. Would you still love ppl who don't want to mix with you ? You may do so if you are a 'magnoon' not to feel the difference.

Desert_Sloath

Lets look at your answer. You and I have had very different experiences with Jewish people.

a) They hate non-jews they call us gentiles

Never been called a gentile to my face by a Jew.

b) They claim our lands and they eat out children and they burn our olds

Never took any of my land, ate my child or don't think they have burnt my olds (not sure what you mean by olds)

c) The uproot our olive trees and they destroy our farms and demolish our homes

Never uprooted a single tree of any kind, destroyed a farm or demolished a home of mine.

d) They brake our arms so not to plant trees or build our homes

I have never had a boken bone of any kind to date.

e) When they can not do anything sensible they build a wall around themselves thus imprisoning their own

No walls where I live. Free open spaces.

2. Would you still love ppl who don't want to mix with you ? You may do so if you are a 'magnoon' not to feel the difference.

Maybe you should move to my neighborhood if you’re treated so terrible where you live.

Oh and one more thing, there you go using those big words again showing your superior vocabulary. Are you calling me a “magnoon”.

once when i was in the uk and was reading the news paper called The Daily Mail..anyway there was a subject about a jew guy and his thoughts of other religions..when the question came about muslims...he answered " give me a mechine gun and i'll show u how much i hate them "...
so im suposed to say the same thing if u r askin me that question give me the most powerfull mechine gun and i'll show u how much i hate jews..... thank uuuuuuu.

uk_v8

Why do you think unattractive women hate beautiful women?

Why do you think unattractive women hate beautiful women? [/B]
is matter of maturity maybe, am fat n ugly but don't hate cute women:p , as muslim living alone in christian community don't hate them nor i'd do with jewsh, but don't forget they're far from right path

Well jack... i have a YES answer to all DS's questions that have been raised above.

As a matter of fact i don't hate jews.
But i do hate those with the "Israeli" stamp ;)

Originally posted by jack
uk_v8

Why do you think unattractive women hate beautiful women? ..


emmm.. goood question... well the answer is why dont beautiful women hate unattractive women? :rolleyes:

i havent read anybody elses replies, so i went straight to my own answer

I am curious to know if you hate them and why?

no i dont hate jews.

I don't hate them as a human but their oppression is too much to digest:fire:

yes i do

I do not hate jews and I hate to generalize

Silver Ring......I only ask that you ask yourself........

Why people say "I hate muslims"......because you guys are in the same HATE camp.........it doesn't matter who you hate.....

I can say I don't agree with Al QAEDA or Hammas or Hezballah or I disagree with this or that.......but I can't say I hate muslims........even though these groups are muslims who are killing innocent people.

PS..I hate snakes.......

Cheers
fatak

Originally posted by fatak
........even though these groups are muslims who are killing innocent people.


fatak [/B]


u made me laugh


innocent people !!! who did u mean ?:confused:

any way i hate them and i hate who suppost them and i dont care what the others think .... and good luck for the muslims in palestain ...and i hope to hear milion ppl of jew killed there daily .. untill they leave palestian

:) :wave:

muslims, killing innocent ppl?
what about the americans? what about isralians?


one non muslim killed , to 100 muslims killed!!

Well the Palestinain defind their life only & use the stone to protect their families & they are convicted by the Americans & the Human rights orgnization:duh: , but when the Isralian kill the pelistinian with the modren weapons, guns & panzers.....no body say a word about them??!!! Y??? DO u they follow the humen rights?? Or they own this orgnization:duh: .

Cheers
El7ilwa

Brothers and sisters,
Muslims and non muslims ....

Let us first look at it from an Islamic point of view, that is let us read together what have been said about the jews (in general) in the Quran ...

íóÇ ÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú áÇó ÊóÊøóÎöÐõæÇú ÇáúíóåõæÏó æóÇáäøóÕóÇÑóì ÃóæúáöíóÇÁ ÈóÚúÖõåõãú ÃóæúáöíóÇÁ ÈóÚúÖò æóãóä íóÊóæóáøóåõã ãøöäßõãú ÝóÅöäøóåõ ãöäúåõãú Åöäøó Çááøåó áÇó íóåúÏöí ÇáúÞóæúãó ÇáÙøóÇáöãöíäó 51
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong_doers and unjust).

12 íóÇ ÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇ áóÇ ÊóÊóæóáøóæúÇ ÞóæúãðÇ ÛóÖöÈó Çááøóåõ Úóáóíúåöãú ÞóÏú íóÆöÓõæÇ ãöäó ÇáúÂÎöÑóÉö ßóãóÇ íóÆöÓó ÇáúßõÝøóÇÑõ ãöäú ÃóÕúÍóÇÈö ÇáúÞõÈõæÑ
O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allâh (i.e. the Jews). Surely, they have been in despair to receive any good in the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have been in despair about those (buried) in graves (that they will not be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection).


So we can see that in the Quran Allah told us to be careful from jews, not to take them as friends and not to (like) them....
Lots of people would ask why ?!
Yes ... its a good question i should say,,, why do we hate them ? Another question is that since we hate them ,,, how should we treat them ? Should we kill any jew we see in the road ?
These issues are to come next...

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong_doers and unjust).Another example that gives weight that the Quran was written by man and not the word of God.

Now...God hates the Jews and the Christians :rolleyes:

God would really despise me.....according to the Quran.

Now again we go back to the Quran to seek an answer for our previous questions....


æóÞóÇáóÊö ÇáúíóåõæÏõ íóÏõ Çááøåö ãóÛúáõæáóÉñ ÛõáøóÊú ÃóíúÏöíåöãú æóáõÚöäõæÇú ÈöãóÇ ÞóÇáõæÇú Èóáú íóÏóÇåõ ãóÈúÓõæØóÊóÇäö íõäÝöÞõ ßóíúÝó íóÔóÇÁ æóáóíóÒöíÏóäøó ßóËöíÑðÇ ãøöäúåõã ãøóÇ ÃõäÒöáó Åöáóíúßó ãöä ÑøóÈøößó ØõÛúíóÇäðÇ æóßõÝúÑðÇ æóÃóáúÞóíúäóÇ Èóíúäóåõãõ ÇáúÚóÏóÇæóÉó æóÇáúÈóÛúÖóÇÁ Åöáóì íóæúãö ÇáúÞöíóÇãóÉö ßõáøóãóÇ ÃóæúÞóÏõæÇú äóÇÑðÇ áøöáúÍóÑúÈö ÃóØúÝóÃóåóÇ Çááøåõ æóíóÓúÚóæúäó Ýöí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÝóÓóÇÏðÇ æóÇááøåõ áÇó íõÍöÈøõ ÇáúãõÝúÓöÏöíäó

The Jews say: "Allâh's Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty)." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands[] are widely outstretched. He spends (of His Bounty) as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from Allâh increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war, Allâh extinguished it; and they (ever) strive to make mischief on earth. And Allâh does not like the Mufsidûn (mischief_makers).

. æóáóÞóÏú ÂÊóíúäóÇ ãõæÓóì ÇáúßöÊóÇÈó æóÞóÝøóíúäóÇ ãöä ÈóÚúÏöåö ÈöÇáÑøõÓõáö æóÂÊóíúäóÇ ÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó ÇáúÈóíøöäóÇÊö æóÃóíøóÏúäóÇåõ ÈöÑõæÍö ÇáúÞõÏõÓö ÃóÝóßõáøóãóÇ ÌóÇÁßõãú ÑóÓõæáñ ÈöãóÇ áÇó Êóåúæóì ÃóäÝõÓõßõãõ ÇÓúÊóßúÈóÑúÊõãú ÝóÝóÑöíÞÇð ßóÐøóÈúÊõãú æóÝóÑöíÞÇð ÊóÞúÊõáõæäó 87 æóÞóÇáõæÇú ÞõáõæÈõäóÇ ÛõáúÝñ Èóá áøóÚóäóåõãõ Çááøóå ÈößõÝúÑöåöãú ÝóÞóáöíáÇð ãøóÇ íõÄúãöäõæäó 88 æóáóãøóÇ ÌóÇÁåõãú ßöÊóÇÈñ ãøöäú ÚöäÏö Çááøåö ãõÕóÏøöÞñ áøöãóÇ ãóÚóåõãú æóßóÇäõæÇú ãöä ÞóÈúáõ íóÓúÊóÝúÊöÍõæäó Úóáóì ÇáøóÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇú ÝóáóãøóÇ ÌóÇÁåõã ãøóÇ ÚóÑóÝõæÇú ßóÝóÑõæÇú Èöåö ÝóáóÚúäóÉõ Çááøóå Úóáóì ÇáúßóÇÝöÑöíäó 89 ÈöÆúÓóãóÇ ÇÔúÊóÑóæúÇú Èöåö ÃóäÝõÓóåõãú Ãóä íóßúÝõÑõæÇú ÈöãóÇ ÃäóÒóáó Çááøåõ ÈóÛúíÇð Ãóä íõäóÒøöáõ Çááøåõ ãöä ÝóÖúáöåö Úóáóì ãóä íóÔóÇÁ ãöäú ÚöÈóÇÏöåö ÝóÈóÂÄõæÇú ÈöÛóÖóÈò Úóáóì ÛóÖóÈò æóáöáúßóÇÝöÑöíäó ÚóÐóÇÈñ ãøõåöíäñ

And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) >>]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.
And they say, "Our hearts are wrapped (i.e. do not hear or understand Allâh's Word)." Nay, Allâh has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe.
And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'ân) from Allâh confirming what is with them [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allâh (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allâh be on the disbelievers.
How bad is that for which they have sold their ownselves, that they should disbelieve in that which Allâh has revealed (the Qur'ân), grudging that Allâh should reveal of His Grace unto whom He will of His slaves. So they have drawn on themselves wrath upon wrath. And for the disbelievers, there is disgracing torment.


áóÊóÌöÏóäøó ÃóÔóÏøó ÇáäøóÇÓö ÚóÏóÇæóÉð áøöáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú ÇáúíóåõæÏó æóÇáøóÐöíäó ÃóÔúÑóßõæÇú æóáóÊóÌöÏóäøó ÃóÞúÑóÈóåõãú ãøóæóÏøóÉð áøöáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÇáõæóÇú ÅöäøóÇ äóÕóÇÑóì Ðóáößó ÈöÃóäøó ãöäúåõãú ÞöÓøöíÓöíäó æóÑõåúÈóÇäðÇ æóÃóäøóåõãú áÇó íóÓúÊóßúÈöÑõæäó 82

Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.

To summarize the above points ....

1) The first important point is that we do not hate them just because we hate them ! We hate them for the sake of Allah. That is we do not accept -what so ever!- what they say about Allah.

2)They say that "Allâh's Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty)."

3) They always keep trying to kindle a light of war (we can see this through the history of jews).

4) They (ever) strive to make mischief on earth.And Allâh does not like the Mufsidûn (mischief_makers).
(Niether we do!)

5) Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.
(Do people like these deserve any feelings except hatered?)

6) Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn



So do we -muslims- like jews ?
I hate any person saying something not right about Allah...these people say what they say about Allah... do they deserve any love or likenes ?!!!

Originally posted by el7ilwa
For my info Jewish hate every one who is not jewish, cauz they think the are the ppl who alah choose them in the earth & others are not differ from animals.....you can read more about their belifes & u gonna find out that by your self:rolleyes: . SO do u think such ppl deserve love???

If you hate them because they hate everybody why do you ahve to be like them and hate them all too? you can not generalise everybody its liek saying all muslims are terrorists. if you feel this way about them why do we criticise the way they feel about us? we are both equal then.

i dont hate jewish at all ,, and i have my very best friend he is jewish ...

yeah and he is depressed and both of us are depressed we are priests.....

Any religion which teaches hate is ignorant...period.

Is Islam a religion of peace.......but teaches it's followers to hate Jews and non believers......

Is that why muslims are having trouble with their non muslim neighbors all the time..because Allah commands them?

I think NOT.......if that is the basis of the Quran then you better look elsewhere for peace.

Cheers
fatak

1) The first important point is that we do not hate them just because we hate them ! We hate them for the sake of Allah. That is we do not accept -what so ever!- what they say about Allah.

Fatak it is not.


Quran warns us about tricky people and people who cause destruction. Allah has told us to give dawah [introduce islam] to the non muslims, not kill them because they have a different religion. or hate them.

your enemy is that who attacks you and your religion, spreads lies and causes destruction which obviously affects the individual.

And please hold back the "become muslim or die - history" stories, lots happened in the past. but i just want to explain from what i have learnt from the quran.

peace

fatak ...

Someone swares at your father .... will you accept it ? Will you ever like him ?
So why when it comes to Allah, our creator.. and the creator of all living and non living things ,,,, ÈÏíÚ ÇáÓãÇæÇÊ æ ÇáÃÑÖ
why when it comes to him there are no feelings ?
Dont you love Allah ?
I personally do .. and for the sake of this love i HATE jews for what they say about my creator Allah Ìá ÌáÇáå

But again ... i have to emphazise my previous question that no one cared to ask about ,,,

Another question is that since we hate them ,,, how should we treat them ? Should we kill any jew we see in the road ?

The answer is a deffinate NO.... untill it comes to Palestine. When it comes to there then there is no restriction and no questioning about the right of us killing them...
Its easy and basic mathematics...
they took our land ...we take thier lives...
They want to live in peace... then they should leave us in peace and get away from the land they have stolen.

æóÞóÇÊöáõæÇú Ýöí ÓóÈöíáö Çááøåö ÇáøóÐöíäó íõÞóÇÊöáõæäóßõãú æóáÇó ÊóÚúÊóÏõæÇú Åöäøó Çááøåó áÇó íõÍöÈøö ÇáúãõÚúÊóÏöíäó 190 æóÇÞúÊõáõæåõãú ÍóíúËõ ËóÞöÝúÊõãõæåõãú æóÃóÎúÑöÌõæåõã ãøöäú ÍóíúËõ ÃóÎúÑóÌõæßõãú æóÇáúÝöÊúäóÉõ ÃóÔóÏøõ ãöäó ÇáúÞóÊúáö

And fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing.

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
Dont you love Allah ?
I personally do .. and for the sake of this love i HATE jews for what they say about my creator Allah

Every single one of them, because you heard a rumor that once, a jew said something bad about Allah? Tell me, has a Jew ever PERSONALLY said something bad about Allah to your face?

this is the logic that REQUIRES that I HATE YOU because some crazy muslim flew a plane into a building full of my country-men.

guess what? I don't hate you ... because YOU didn't do it. Even if you think what they did was wonderful, I still don't hate you (scorn and disrespect, yes... hate, no - but still based on YOU, not someone who is loosely connected to your through nationality, religion, or skin color).

You have quite neatly defined racism and prejudice at it's very worst.

GuwantanamistIs Islam a religion of peace.......but teaches it's followers to hate Jews and non believers...... You sound like you are a little confused. First you say you have the right and it is your duty to kill Jews by command of God, then you say no.....only in the palistine conflict....then you say yes kill all the Jews....make up your mind man.

Did your God tell you kill all the Jews or not? Your God must hang out in LA.....they do a lot of killing there.....but they don't put it on Gods head....they take credit for it themselves.

Guwn, there's no where in the quran or hadeeth where Allah or his prophet (PBUH) say we gotta hate jews. why are we confusing the Israeli government and it's crimes with all the Jews?there are many Israeli Jews who oppose their government.

i personally only hate people who cause destruction and killing innocent lives in the process i.e. Israeli government, Hamas militants, Bin laden, Saddam, Bush and my boss at work.

Originally posted by Big MO
Guwn, there's no where in the quran or hadeeth where Allah or his prophet (PBUH) say we gotta hate jews. why are we confusing the Israeli government and it's crimes with all the Jews?there are many Israeli Jews who oppose their government.




Read what Allah is saying about them, in the second verse you will see that they are the most enemies beside those who associate partners with Allah to the believers.



æóÞóÇáóÊö ÇáúíóåõæÏõ íóÏõ Çááøåö ãóÛúáõæáóÉñ ÛõáøóÊú ÃóíúÏöíåöãú æóáõÚöäõæÇú ÈöãóÇ ÞóÇáõæÇú Èóáú íóÏóÇåõ ãóÈúÓõæØóÊóÇäö íõäÝöÞõ ßóíúÝó íóÔóÇÁ æóáóíóÒöíÏóäøó ßóËöíÑÇð ãøöäúåõã ãøóÇ ÃõäÒöáó Åöáóíúßó ãöä ÑøóÈøößó ØõÛúíóÇäðÇ æóßõÝúÑðÇ æóÃóáúÞóíúäóÇ Èóíúäóåõãõ ÇáúÚóÏóÇæóÉó æóÇáúÈóÛúÖóÇÁ Åöáóì íóæúãö ÇáúÞöíóÇãóÉö ßõáøóãóÇ ÃóæúÞóÏõæÇú äóÇÑðÇ áøöáúÍóÑúÈö ÃóØúÝóÃóåóÇ Çááøåõ æóíóÓúÚóæúäó Ýöí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÝóÓóÇÏðÇ æóÇááøåõ áÇó íõÍöÈøõ ÇáúãõÝúÓöÏöíäó



And the Jews say, `ALLAH's hand is tied up.' Their own hands shall be tied up and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both HIS hands are wide open. HE spends as HE pleases. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will most surely increase many of them in rebellion and disbelief. And WE have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection. Whenever they kindle a fire for war, ALLAH extinguishes it. And they strive to create disorder in the earth, and ALLAH love not those who create disorder.

Aother verse:



áóÊóÌöÏóäøó ÃóÔóÏøó ÇáäøóÇÓö ÚóÏóÇæóÉð áøöáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú ÇáúíóåõæÏó æóÇáøóÐöíäó ÃóÔúÑóßõæÇú æóáóÊóÌöÏóäøó ÃóÞúÑóÈóåõãú ãøóæóÏøóÉð áøöáøóÐöíäó ÂãóäõæÇú ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÇáõæóÇú ÅöäøóÇ äóÕóÇÑóì Ðóáößó ÈöÃóäøó ãöäúåõãú ÞöÓøöíÓöíäó æóÑõåúÈóÇäðÇ æóÃóäøóåõãú áÇó íóÓúÊóßúÈöÑõæäó



Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and those who associate partners with ALLAH to be the most vehement of men in enmity against the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, `We are Christians,' to be the nearest of them in friendship to the believers. That is because among them are savants and monks and because they are not arrogant.

What Quran verse is this? I have never seen it. Or is it hadeth?

"Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and those who associate partners with ALLAH to be the most vehement of men in enmity against the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, `We are Christians,' to be the nearest of them in friendship to the believers. That is because among them are savants and monks and because they are not arrogant."

Well moon ....
you know and I know that jews believe on the tawrat.... (we belive it was a book from Allah, but then the jews changed what is in it) ...

I read this tawrat and saw what they are saying about Allah and other prophets from Allah. Read it and you will see what bad things they say about Allah and his prophets.

Now you will tell me that not all jews believe what is writen in the tawrat.... well then they are not considers jews are they ?

So again i am saying it and will always say it I HATE JUWS for what they say about Allah and his prophets !

Originally posted by jack
What Quran verse is this? I have never seen it. Or is it hadeth?

"Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and those who associate partners with ALLAH to be the most vehement of men in enmity against the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, `We are Christians,' to be the nearest of them in friendship to the believers. That is because among them are savants and monks and because they are not arrogant."

"5:82"

http://www.submission.org/christians/friends.html

[5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.

This verse should not be used by any mean to negate the fact that among the Jews (and Christians) will be righteous people who can be good friends as explained in the above verses, they do not fight us in our religion or our homes. They can be our neighbors, colleagues, friends, co-workers...etc We will be good to them as they are good to us. We, all the righteous people of all religions ,can make the difference and make this world better by respecting each other, respecting the freedom of choice of each other, and remember that we all have the One and the same God.

Originally posted by jack
We, all the righteous people of all religions ,can make the difference and make this world better by respecting each other, respecting the freedom of choice of each other, and remember that we all have the One and the same God. [/B]

excatly.

how can i expect people to respect me and my beliefs if i don't respect theirs?

We, all the righteous people of all religions ,can make the difference and make this world better by respecting each other, respecting the freedom of choice of each other, and remember that we all have the One and the same God.

exactly .. and u can smell it in Iraq and palestian and ...ect .

I LOVE JEWS ... THEY REMIND US DAILY HOW 30 MILLION CAN KEEP 300 ARAB MILLION HOSTAGE ...

or to paraphrase Jews remind us how pathetic Muslims/and or/Arabs are ...

I'm neutral.. Though I'm against Israelies.. in Palestine..

Originally posted by Guwantanamist


2)They say that "Allâh's Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty)."

Can´t say I have ever heard any Jew say that, or indeed anything resembling that. Denied religious freedom throughout history, the Israelis have been remarkably generous and tolerant of other religious groups.

In how many other Middle Eastern countries will you find basilicas, churches, mosques and temples all in the same location?

To be honest I have nothing against the jews. I don't love them but I don't hate them as well.

One of my x-girlfriends was a jewish, I have very nice and good time with her, her parents were very open minded and I have asked them many times if they had anything against me because I'm a muslim, they said they don't have any problems with a muslim but they do have problems with Palestinians. Now if someone is asking me why is that? Well I didn't ask them why is that. I also don't know what have the Palastinians have done to them.

I still have 4 jewish friends at the moment, they're very good and they are socilizing very well with me. Their families consider me as if I was one of their children and which I really like. My Omani friends aren't happy I'm always sticking with these people, so many Omani friends told me that "they are trying to convert you to a jew, and that is why they are doing all this to attract you by their way of socializing and stuff" I told them, they never said a word about juadism or anything against islam. When I go there the 2 girls who are twins make sure they take me and buy meat from a Turkish halal shop, if they have cooked anything with wine or with any other thing they would tell me that before we sit on for food.

Once I was sick, and uncle (my friends' father) came to know that, he asked me if I visited a doctor so I said no, so he came to my house and took me to a clinic, and the best part is that he didn't let me pay for that instead he paid.

So we can't sall all the jews are bad or enemies of Islam. They're just protecting themselves as we are protecting ourselves. This is what I think, and I am not sure about others.

That's all folks

Amir Al-Balushi™

just Question for those muslim members who said we have nothing against jews and not hating them .

Do u have brothers and sisters in palestian? is it hurting you when you hear daily that kids . boys , men, women killed by jews troops??

may i know what you feel against them ???
do not tell me they have no thing to judge with..

Silver RIng........come join the Palestine thread........

Let's talk about everything Palestine.......

Does someone have to be muslim to feel sadness for the suffering of Palestians?

Is their any sadness for innocent Israeli women AND CHILDREN KILLED?

MAYBE I AM WRONG...but the Quran says killing one innocent life is like killing all........???

I didn't know that......

salaam
fatak

To brother Amir,

First of all having a girlfriend is something not accepted what so ever in Islam and you should know that. Now telling us that those jews you interact with are good and all that .... is very normal.
All Humans can be good or bad, weather a muslim or a non-muslim. Yet Islam should be the reference point to which we should compare our deads with, if good or bad.

Again i say in Islam we dont go kill jews as indivisuals,

áóÇ íóäúåóÇßõãõ Çááøóåõ Úóäö ÇáøóÐöíäó áóãú íõÞóÇÊöáõæßõãú Ýöí ÇáÏøöíäö æóáóãú íõÎúÑöÌõæßõã ãøöä ÏöíóÇÑößõãú Ãóä ÊóÈóÑøõæåõãú æóÊõÞúÓöØõæÇ Åöáóíúåöãú Åöäøó Çááøóåó íõÍöÈøõ ÇáúãõÞúÓöØöíäó 8 ÅöäøóãóÇ íóäúåóÇßõãõ Çááøóåõ Úóäö ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÇÊóáõæßõãú Ýöí ÇáÏøöíäö æóÃóÎúÑóÌõæßõã ãøöä ÏöíóÇÑößõãú æóÙóÇåóÑõæÇ Úóáóì ÅöÎúÑóÇÌößõãú Ãóä Êóæóáøóæúåõãú æóãóä íóÊóæóáøóåõãú ÝóÃõæúáóÆößó åõãõ ÇáÙøóÇáöãõæäó 9
Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.
Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers.


Yet we should be very careful when it comes to them as a country or as groups.


Dear fatak

Is their any sadness for innocent Israeli women AND CHILDREN KILLED ?

The answer is a direct NO. Simply because it is their mistake to chose to INVADE the land of Palestine that belongs to PALESTINIANS not JEWS.
As I always say, we can do simple mathmatics over here
Go out of our country and we will not kill you. As simple as this.
I mean how easy it is to take someone elses country and then say that OK YOU CAN KEEP IT BECAUSE YOU STAYED HERE FOR A LONG TIME !
What kind of stupid mind is this ? They take more than 50% of the land, actually the best lands in soil and environment, claim it for them selves and then the stupid americans agrees and accepts that it is for isrealies in less than 11min from when the stupid isrealies claimed the existance of (isreal).

The west has to know one very simple thing over here....WE ARE NOT LEAVING PALESTINE FOR THE ISREALIES..even if it took us to KILL EVERY SINGLE ISREALI IN PALESTINE.
this is the case weather the west likes it or not.

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
To brother Amir,

First of all having a girlfriend is something not accepted what so ever in Islam and you should know that. Now telling us that those jews you interact with are good and all that .... is very normal.
All Humans can be good or bad, weather a muslim or a non-muslim. Yet Islam should be the reference point to which we should compare our deads with, if good or bad.

Again i say in Islam we dont go kill jews as indivisuals,

áóÇ íóäúåóÇßõãõ Çááøóåõ Úóäö ÇáøóÐöíäó áóãú íõÞóÇÊöáõæßõãú Ýöí ÇáÏøöíäö æóáóãú íõÎúÑöÌõæßõã ãøöä ÏöíóÇÑößõãú Ãóä ÊóÈóÑøõæåõãú æóÊõÞúÓöØõæÇ Åöáóíúåöãú Åöäøó Çááøóåó íõÍöÈøõ ÇáúãõÞúÓöØöíäó 8 ÅöäøóãóÇ íóäúåóÇßõãõ Çááøóåõ Úóäö ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÇÊóáõæßõãú Ýöí ÇáÏøöíäö æóÃóÎúÑóÌõæßõã ãøöä ÏöíóÇÑößõãú æóÙóÇåóÑõæÇ Úóáóì ÅöÎúÑóÇÌößõãú Ãóä Êóæóáøóæúåõãú æóãóä íóÊóæóáøóåõãú ÝóÃõæúáóÆößó åõãõ ÇáÙøóÇáöãõæäó 9
Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.
Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers.


Yet we should be very careful when it comes to them as a country or as groups.


Dear fatak



The answer is a direct NO. Simply because it is their mistake to chose to INVADE the land of Palestine that belongs to PALESTINIANS not JEWS.
As I always say, we can do simple mathmatics over here
Go out of our country and we will not kill you. As simple as this.
I mean how easy it is to take someone elses country and then say that OK YOU CAN KEEP IT BECAUSE YOU STAYED HERE FOR A LONG TIME !
What kind of stupid mind is this ? They take more than 50% of the land, actually the best lands in soil and environment, claim it for them selves and then the stupid americans agrees and accepts that it is for isrealies in less than 11min from when the stupid isrealies claimed the existance of (isreal).

The west has to know one very simple thing over here....WE ARE NOT LEAVING PALESTINE FOR THE ISREALIES..even if it took us to KILL EVERY SINGLE ISREALI IN PALESTINE.
this is the case weather the west likes it or not.

My Dear friend, to be very honest, less people are following islam nowadays. None are 100% muslims, and I think in my case, coz I've been drinking and doing so many other things that islam forbid, I'm not even 50% muslim in Allah's view. I acknowledge and say, but There are people everwhere who don't even do that, they say Allah and Wallah, and they're full of dirt in their hearts.

The same way as you said we're not looking at jews as individuals, they're not looking at us as individuals :) . That is the only thing I can tell you now. The story I told you was from my life experience with jews. If you have any bad ones do tell me, but I think it would be better if you did it PM without diverting the whole topic here. :)

Thanks

but I think it would be better if you did it PM without diverting the whole topic here.

I am sorry. You have the right.

But anyways the topic is at it is. And my views are clear in the topic.

I dont hate jews. Its a war between israelies and palastinians....what does it have to do with me?
I dont love them either

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
I am sorry. You have the right.

But anyways the topic is at it is. And my views are clear in the topic.

Yesterday we had this 17 October function with my Palestine friends, and guess what? There were 4 or 5 jewish families. It was in a church.

What does this mean?

I met them, and I was like now that is what love between people is like.

Friends, the thing is the both governments have problem among them and some racist people. The truth is that we can all live together in this world peacefully. Then if peace occures then how all the weapons and stuff will be sold... well there are so many big d a m n countries filled with Hypocrites and they are the reason... I don't want to offend anyone....

Applause


(for Amir™)

Originally posted by fatak
I am curious to know if you hate them and why?

Cheers
fatak


Reasons 3 only enough to 'counter-hate' them:
1)

they murdered jesu for no apparent crime other than the fact that he was a good teacher.

2)
they are racist who don't like to live with other people

3)
the claim they are the Children of God or God chosen people. Where is their logic to that ?

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
Reasons 3 only enough to 'counter-hate' them:
1)

they murdered jesu for no apparent crime other than the fact that he was a good teacher.

2)
they are racist who don't like to live with other people

3)
the claim they are the Children of God or God chosen people. Where is their logic to that ?

Trust me my friend, these jews they have suffered a lot, they have undergone so many pressure from here and there, but they still were patient and among themselves they helped each other, they got into what they are now. Well once upon a time they were living in these areas, our muslim battels against them took them off the track, so actually its more like to say they're returning back to their lands.

Another thing in which you said, they're the chosen people, although there are so many things which has been added to their book, but just look at them, they're sticking into it, they're following it properly as it is written. I find jews as in more thankful people to god then us muslims in which our relegion we believe nothing has been added to our book, everything is as it is written, but are we following it properly. Where they still win on us.

Why do we say non muslims all will get into hell? Because that is what our relegion says, and that is what we believe, that is why we call non muslims Kafer or Kafir. For jews we are Kafir, and in their book its written that all non jews will go to hell, the reason they say they're children of god or they've been chosen by Allahino as they say.

I hope I haven't offended our relegion, I hope I haven't done anything wrong, but the truth is like what I said above, and to know that truth we have to be open minded without being against them spend sometime with them.

Like Dr Mahathir said "Jews are ruling the world by proxy", well they have very good strategy and future planning, which we don't, we try to finish those come in our way and they don't, instead they sit and think, which makes by this very 21st century RULE THE WORLD. If we did that instead of fighting and killing and say Jihad and holy war, we would be what they are at least for our grandchildren. At least our grandchildren can live in peace, but I think that is never going to happen. :)

Originally posted by sanwin25
Applause


(for Amir™)

Thanks, but I think and I'm sure what I said was right, it does show that not all jews are against us, and it does show me there are jews who are not against us. :)

There are good and bad people in all religions.

Muslims.
Jews.
Christians.
Hindus.
etc.
etc.

It show lack of rational thinking to hate an entire race of people because you carry some religious baggage.

I don really care about them, but sometimes they do get in my nerves:fire:

Originally posted by sanwin25
There are good and bad people in all religions.

Muslims.
Jews.
Christians.
Hindus.
etc.
etc.

It show lack of rational thinking to hate an entire race of people because you carry some religious baggage.

Exactly Sanwin. That is exactly what I'm trying to say. Thanks

Originally posted by Sure Thing
I don really care about them, but sometimes they do get in my nerves:fire:

Some you know in particular, or just what you see on the news?

Originally posted by Guwantanamist
Well moon ....
you know and I know that jews believe on the tawrat.... (we belive it was a book from Allah, but then the jews changed what is in it) ...

I read this tawrat and saw what they are saying about Allah and other prophets from Allah. Read it and you will see what bad things they say about Allah and his prophets.

Now you will tell me that not all jews believe what is writen in the tawrat.... well then they are not considers jews are they ?

So again i am saying it and will always say it I HATE JUWS for what they say about Allah and his prophets !

If indeed you actually have read the Torah, Guwan, perhaps you might care to share with us - quoting chapter and verse - the slurs you claim to have read. I don´t have any plans to hold my breath.

In general, those who say they "hate" Israelis are probably the very ones who have never been to Israel, have never met or spoken to any Israelis nor witnessed the results of the inhuman atrocities perpetrated by their peace- and Allah-loving Muslim brothers and sisters on Israeli citizens going about their daily lives and minding their own business.