i know we have many gays in oman but do we have any transsexuals?? Do you agree with sex change surgery??

oh just in case you're curious or considering a sex change here's a little info.

Sex reassignment surgery refers to the administration of surgery to change the sex appearance according to one’s sex identity. There are two kinds of surgery.

Genital surgical sex reassignment: surgery of the genitalia and/or breasts performed for the purpose of altering the morphology in order to approximate the physical appearance of the genetically other sex.
Non genital surgical sex reassignment: any and all other surgical procedures of non-genitalia or non-breast, conducted for the purpose of effecting a more masculine appearance in a genetic female or for the purpose of effecting more feminine appearance in a genetic male.
As a former step of SRS, there is a hormonal sex reassignment, which is the administration of androgen to genotype females, and administration of estrogen and/or progesterone to genotype males, for the purpose of effecting somatic changes in order for the patient to more closely approximate the physical appearance of the other sex.

Disgusting! :yuck:


I doubt we have any here... I did hear of one story that was in Egypt though...


Why can't people just accept how Allah created them?


Help!! We need more psychiatrists around!

Did you know that Larry Wachowski, one of the brothers who did the Matrix movies is in the process of becoming a woman?

Well..i heard alot about it and that is just sick:yuck:
Dont know how ppl can change themselves...as RA said they should accept themselves as allah created them...

I didnt hear about omani ppl i jusy heard about ppl from lebenon and egypt

Originally posted by mux
Did you know that Larry Wachowski, one of the brothers who did the Matrix movies is in the process of becoming a woman?

lol..now thats interesting.

anyways..i believe each to his own..but i wouldnt wanna get involved in any way with any of those people.

so far i have never heard of an omani case..but u never know.

I dont know how prevalent it is in Oman, but I am certain there are trannies there too. Sorry people, but we need to face reality.

Now, my personal stance is that if a person is a hermaphrodite (meaning their genitalia is indeterminable) then they should undergo surgery to make them more recognisable as either male or female, and they should have the continuation of care (through hormone monitoring, counselling, voice training etc) so as to ensure they lead a perfectly healthy life.

Ignoring the problem wont make it go away... :sad:

As for this crap about 'feeling like a man trapped in a female body' or vice versa, where there is no physical or physiological evidence to support this, then no, I think its immoral and problematic for society. It should not be condoned. Sorry.

Step1.

Clinical behavioral scientists gather the information of SRS applicant to differentiate between the transsexuals and other types of gender disorders. To do this, they interview about general and gender development of the applicant, the way the parents have dealt with their child’s gender disorder, the family backgrounds of the parents themselves, identification figures, relationship with same sex and opposite sex parents, first conscious cross gender feelings, aspects of sexuality, and so on. Applicant must have a confirmed, working diagnosis of transsexuals and have completed at least 3 months of psychotherapy in order to obtain evaluation for hormone therapy. During this time, the MF transsexual patient can start electrolysis, if desired, to remove unwanted facial hair.

Step 2.

Upon receiving a written evaluation for hormone therapy, the applicant may then take a copy of the evaluation to an endocrinologist who offers monitoring of relevant blood chemistries and routine physical examinations. This is especially important because hormone therapy may have some irreversible effects and may lead to mild or serious health-threatening complications. However, if a patient is followed by a qualified physician who explains what the patient may expect from the hormones, both positive and negative outcome, and regularly monitors the patient’s lab work, he is less likely to run into complications. If MF patient has not already started electrolysis for removal of the beard, it should be started during the early stages of hormone therapy.

Step 3.

The next step is a period of one to two years of cross living while the patient continues hormone therapy. The patient lives 24 hours a day in the gender of choice. Thus, this period is called "real life test". During this time, the patient must demonstrate stability and prove functional ability, become self-supporting, and be socially active. Hormone therapy should be started as a partial hormone therapy. It blocks the action of sex steroids in a reversible way. The MF bodies do not masculize any further, and FMs (female to male) stop menstruation and sometimes experience a weakening of breast tissue. On the contrary, full hormone treatment is not reversible. It masculinizes the female body, and feminizes the male body. It is given before 18. Minimal duration of the real life test is 1 year for FMs, 1.5 years for MFs. This difference is due to the fact that the gender role change seems to have more impact on the life of MF than on that of FM, and MFs need more time to adjust to the new situation.

Step 4.

At the end of a cross living, an orchidectomy (to remove the sex glands of a male) may be performed for the MF transsexuals. Implants or breast augmentation and other optional non-genital surgical sex reassignment procedures are often done at this time. Mastectomy (to remove the breast) and hysterectomy (to remove the uterus) for the FM transsexual is usually begun after one year of cross living. Most patients consult a plastic surgeon for the mastectomy and a gynecologist for the hysterectomy. It is also recommended that the FM transsexuals be in complete understanding with the surgeon who does his phalloplasty (to implant the male sex organ to female). Some FMs who have been on androgen for a while tend to get so much clitoral enlargement, that they choose not to have that phalloplasty at all.

Step 5.

At this point, final psychological evaluation before surgery should be decided. Two written evaluations are required by at least two clinical behavioral scientists; at least one of which is a doctoral level clinical behavioral scientist and one of whom has known the patient in a professional relationship for at least six months, before surgical approval.

Step 6.

Operating surgery.

Step 7.

Post operative or follow-up care after a patient has completed SRS, for a period of at least three months is required, however, six months are recommended. This is a period of recovery, necessary for immediate psychological and social readjustment.

On the whole, most of the transsexuals who have performed SRS were satisfied with sex change itself. Nevertheless, many of them were dissatisfied with the way their new physical Appearance. The reason for dissatisfaction is first, MFs have to do with retention of bodily features and aspects of the overall appearance that could not be changed completely by either surgery or hormonal manipulation. For example, remains of the beard, large feet and hands, quality of the voice, and persistence of Adam’s apple. Social pressure on woman to pay more attention to their appearance is also one of the reason. FM transsexuals are usually dissatisfied with their new genitals. But, the most important thing is that they could live in the new gender role feeling that their identity is fitting to themselves. They have more comfortable relationship with other people around their environment.

i once watched on Tv a lebanese interviewed her(him) :confused: anyways the person explained why wanted to change . the family played a big role because when he was young they used to dress him up on dress and used to spend lots of time with his sister so then was sooo into girlish stuff. then he change his sex organ. actually, before he had the operation he looked sooooo girlish.

Originally posted by Big MO
Do you agree with sex change surgery??



NO & NO

Originally posted by IceTea
NO & NO


I second that ;)



I don't hate transexuals or anything - as Nabhan said, just let them live their lives the way they want to. It has nothing to do with me if someone changes their sex.

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I honestly never heard of case of transexuals in Oman and really doubt that such operation was ever performed here on any adult. Actually, a sex change operation can't be done everywhere and you have to have access to a specialist and plastic surgeon if you want to have it done.

Though it seems non-existant in Oman, I would not be surprised if we had some hermaphrodite at birth, but again this was never shared with the public.

If a child is born with both sexes or a sex more developped than the other, of course I will be for an operation to give at least a chance to that child to have a 'normal like' as one gender.

If it is an adult trapped in the opposite sex/gender body, I will be totally against any operation and this because of my moral and religious values. Such individuals, who feel trap in the opposite sex, have serious psychological problems to my opinion and should be treated for that only.

I am also totally against men 'transexuals' who decide to put breasts implants, take female hormones and have all the women's physical features and behaviours, ...but refuse to change their genital parts too. I find this vicious and sick! The people who have a relationship with them are even more sick!

It seems in the world there are more cases of men wanting to become women then the other way around.

{ps: The above two pictures are from a man called David (left), who later on in his life became a woman, Dana (right).}

How would be your reaction if a family member decides to have a sex change?????

That's a tough one, MO.

If there's no way to change their mind, then I guess I'd respect their decision. It's their personal life and they have the right to do what they want to with their bodies or themselves, knowing the consequences.. so let them, I guess.


I think that a lot of people would actually deny him/her as a family member, but I don't see the point of that. In the end, they're still the same person you love, just in a different body? :duh:

Originally posted by Big MO
How would be your reaction if a family member decides to have a sex change?????

For me it would be really hard to swallow and I don't think I could ever get use to it.

I am pretty sure my relationship with a family transexual will not be good, as I will not be able to face a person who has done such an operation and will never understand or agree on this.

it is simply totally against my believes. What about you Big MO? What are your opinion about this issue and what brought such a topic in your mind?

Actually I am recommending this surgery for my neighbor's dog.........especially the next time..........he jumps the fence and chases me down the street........I'm gonna change him from rooster to hen in 1 shot...........

The most beautiful women in the world are men.......but you'd have to be in Thailand to know that........

By the way did you know that Omar Sherif was actually a guy..best kept secret in holloywood.

Cheers
fatak

Originally posted by Big MO
How would be your reaction if a family member decides to have a sex change?????

Kick him out of the house.....and make sure you don't share the same surname. :D

Originally posted by X-press
What about you Big MO? What are your opinion about this issue and what brought such a topic in your mind?

there's nothing to talk about here. it's a big NO. i can never accept it. and probably will have to toss a coin with the family crew to decide who's gonna get the life sentnce for killing the mf.

what brought up this topic??

edited
i was ****** when the ***** and thought why ***** because **** as ***** and *****. either ****** or ***** but in the end it was ***** which was ****** from the***** original ***** idea.

Ice T got a little senstive and found what i wrote insulting so it was edited.

ladyX if u didn't understand what i said i can pm.

i know we have many gays in oman but do we have any transsexuals?? I never hear that we have such sick ppl in Oman :6:


Do you agree with sex change surgery?? ofcourse NO :tiered:

How would be your reaction if a family member decides to have a sex change?????

Never. I would never ever accept that. I think I'd slap them across the face if they seriously considered that! Knock some sense in their head and put 'em in a room for a month with a psychiatrist and an Imam. :duh:

Originally posted by Big MO
How would be your reaction if a family member decides to have a sex change????? Auzu BILLAH just :shoot: till he die:bang:

Back to the topic ;)

Originally posted by IceTea
I take this as insult, you either remove it or I shall ask for a warning.:angre: :fire:

Icy cool down that was just an example:)

Originally posted by IceTea
I take this as insult, you either remove it or I shall ask for a warning.:angre: :fire:

Ice man it wasn't meant to be an insult. that's what inspired the thread. it's a fact. sorry it's the truth. it shouldn't affect as u're neither a woman nor a trans.

Originally posted by Big MO
Ice man it wasn't meant to be an insult. that's what inspired the thread. it's a fact. sorry it's the truth. it shouldn't affect as u're neither a woman nor a trans.

What truth and what fact, I don't allow you to take me as an example in such issues. You can make your point without mentioning me, so I request you again to delet it!

Originally posted by X-press
I would not be surprised if we had some hermaphrodite at birth, but again this was never shared with the public.
Visit a paediatric endocrinologist!! Paediatric patients with 'ambigious genitalia' are frequently seen by endocrinologists in Oman.... but I don't think their parents would like it publicised for:rolleyes: ... in most of the cases after chromosomal analysis they are given the appropriate hormones to expose the appropriate gender identity.

I think from the information given by BigMO and programmes I've seen on TV about 'transextuals'... it is quite a complex process as it takes upto 3 years to finally change sex. So I think it is a well thought of act.... and I think after 3 years of counselling and investigations ... pros & cons.... I think these individuals have it really thought out.... and they have the right to go through it! We are NOT GOD to judge them....

Originally posted by X-press
I am also totally against men 'transexuals' who decide to put breasts implants, take female hormones and have all the women's physical features and behaviours, ...but refuse to change their genital parts too. I find this vicious and sick! The people who have a relationship with them are even more sick!


{ps: The above two pictures are from a man called David (left), who later on in his life became a woman, Dana (right).}

I am surprised nobody commented about what I posted above or asked me more about David. Maybe my reply was too long and was skipped again :rolleyes:...

ladyX i read ur comment and totally agree. there are so many real pretty lady boys in thialand and the whole idea makes me sick.
ok who's this david then???

Yuck!! I just can't understand why someone would want to change his/her sex, like raffee said, some babies are born with problems, and those need help, but not an adult who suddenly feels like she/he is not who they are and need to change to live their normal lives. I find it disgusting when some actors pretend to be women in some movies, so how can you stand this!!
And I totally agree with RA, if someone in my family would ever lose their mind and think of doing it, then he/she needs immediate help, and if doesn't work, then I wouldn't want to see that person again!!
It's not a matter of giving others the choice and freedom, but it's rather a red line where we're all supposed to stop and never cross! It's just waaaaaaaaaaay too much!

Okay now this may seem a lil bit sick but the idea of actually having them in Oman is not at all surprising.

If we have Gays, Lesbians, Homo's and so on why can;t we have the transexuals as well?!!

One thing for sure that I do know of is that the changing of sex is not done in oman and the main reason is to do with religion.

If the country come's to know that this is happining for sure a huge problem will undergo.

However - my opinion about transexuals is Negative for sure. I do not agree with this concept not even one bit. Plus religion wais is a big big sin

Originally posted by Neena
Okay now this may seem a lil bit sick but the idea of actually having them in Oman is not at all surprising.

I think it is important to remind the viewers that we didn't say that transexuals do exist in Oman, as Big Mo simply asked if we know some cases here.

To our knowledge, no case of transexual is known in this country, and hermaphrodites (which are a different birth defect) are only diagnosed behind hospitals doors.

Thanks.

Well sure it was a question asked by Big Mo however isn't it possible?!!!

As i said before if we tend to have all sort of ppl that not many expected before why not having transis!!??

I do believe that everything is possible, and if they happen to be here in Oman than for sure the whole thing was not done here in Oman!!

Well, hetrosexals is something and ambigous genitalia is something else.
Simply transexuals are physically normal men want to be women or normal women want to be men and those should be treated by psychiatirists,, i've never heard any in Oman, but may be there!!
Ambigous genitalia is a difficult issue, as it is not always a children's problem it can be an adult one,,because if you can't tell the sex of the baby, then you investigate for few days and at the end you will discuss the problem, the baby still a baby not aware of it and usually have a treatment but sometimes you don't discover that till buperty [ when an adult female doesn't get her peroid or an adult male start to have period!!!] this what i call a prison in ones body,, ,,those are difficult to decide how to treat and those are found in Oman.

So if i modified Ice Tea's question: what you will do if you discover that one of your relative is an apposite sex???:duh: [FONT=courier new][FONT=arial][COLOR=indigo]

Originally posted by rafia
So if i modified Ice Tea


:eyes: :duh: shocking but good going rafia.

sorry Big Mo that was your question,,i still don't concentrate very much on the members names.

Originally posted by rafia
sorry Big Mo that was your question,,i still don't concentrate very much on the members names.

no rafia i'm shocked that you want to modify ice tea :D

what did i say that?

Originally posted by fatak
Actually I am recommending this surgery for my neighbor's dog.........especially the next time..........he jumps the fence and chases me down the street........I'm gonna change him from rooster to hen in 1 shot...........

The most beautiful women in the world are men.......but you'd have to be in Thailand to know that........

By the way did you know that Omar Sherif was actually a guy..best kept secret in holloywood.

Cheers
fatak


FATAK...NICE SENSE OF HUMOUR

but what if somoene was born with 2 sex organs or born a woman with male sex organs or with a deformity like that? dont you think that those people have the right to be a single sex or whatver sex they feel they are?

:rolleyes:



As Far I know it happened in UAE.

I can’t recall the story…

But the things that I still remember: that this been posted on Al-Hadaf weekly magazine..+/- 8 years back

It was a girl ( Emarati citizen)changed to a boy….don’t ask me what change or what additions been made.

The family accepts this as it was not one day/ night decision..…

Originally posted by AGIOLAX
but what if somoene was born with 2 sex organs or born a woman with male sex organs or with a deformity like that? dont you think that those people have the right to be a single sex or whatver sex they feel they are?

you read too much comic books!!!

no im serious its a birth defect! some people can be born with 2 wombs one next to the other or with 2 sex organs etc search it in the journals you copy and paste from im sure you will find something there. or sometimes a girl can have a female sex organ and the male sex organ would still be inside or not very well developed. it has happened a lot, i dont know about oman but i read about it a lot. like in egypt etc..and then they get surgery to fix it. i dont think its right to just change your sex because you feel like it (ie Ru Paul and crew) but if you feel you have a problem and you really are a man whne you thought you were a woman, you should go see a doctor and if he thinks you have a problem they should sort it out but doctors shouldnt encourage it for no reason

Originally posted by AGIOLAX
i dont think its right to just change your sex because you feel like it (ie Ru Paul and crew)

i thoughtru paul was cool

i know thats why i mentioned him! hes pretty.
dont u think its weird that they can change a sex but still they cant do anything about the voice???

Originally posted by fatak


By the way did you know that Omar Sherif was actually a guy..best kept secret in holloywood.

Cheers
fatak


fatak your sources please if you don't mind who discovered him 1st as an actor and 2ndly as homos. I'll not be surprised as all Zionists am told are inclined towards homosexuality to careless of the lives they spoil.

Originally posted by X-press
I think it is important to remind the viewers that we didn't say that transexuals do exist in Oman, as Big Mo simply asked if we know some cases here.

To our knowledge, no case of transexual is known in this country, and hermaphrodites (which are a different birth defect) are only diagnosed behind hospitals doors.

Thanks.


Right express not in a poligamic society such a thing could be tolerated.

what do u mean omar shrif was guy? do u mean gay?

We do have transvestites (cross dressers) and too many gays, im sure we have transexual philipinos and there must be undercover omani ones

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AGIOLAX, I thing RuPaul Charles is not a really a transexual as it seems that he sill has his 'manhood' down there! His career pushed him to be a drag queen in order to be noticed and for him to make some $$$...but as long as he lives on the other side of the Atlantic, who cares about RuPaul! :rolleyes:

originally posted by Nimr Mal Zibala
We do have transvestites (cross dressers)...

Honestly speaking Nimr, I have never seen a cross dresser, transvestite or drag queen in Oman nor heard about one showing himself publicly at least. I doubt this would be openly tolerated and such person will probably be arrested by the ROP.

Hmmm I think I agree with Nimr here I believe I have seen a man dressed in a woman's clothing, now was he only trying to be funny or he was actually being one!!!

Maybe you don;t find them like really in public where everyone can see them. But you know .. if you go to Seeb around evening times ... you will be kinda surprised, as you will find a guy wearing a pinkish dishdasha his hair is long and of course very much Gay walking into a Barbara but doing Pedicure I saw that with my own eyes!!