I know that there are lots who thing that WE ARE THE BEST, and everything that is not Arabic sucks, we have the best culture, we are the best, we are everything and everyone.

PEOPLE WAKE UP! What is this thing you call music? You claim that you have the best culture and the best music that talks the most truthful feelings and great poetry. What you call true feelings and real art is nothing but repetition, OK, we know that you love, so what? 99.99% of all arabic songs talk about nothing but stupid old love! I mean, there are lots of songs about love that look at it from a different angle, but tell me, what message does these stupid love songs say? Don't you have ANYTHING ELSE TO SING ABOUT, freedom, reality, friendship, betrayal, hatred, I know that love is a great thing, but COME ON, get over it.

Number 2, OK, it is not 99% but lets say 90% of all arabic songs use the same instruments, especially those so called KHALEEJI songs, don't you know about something called VARIATION, differentiation in music tastes, WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE SAME THING FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW.

Number 3, this is proved, the Arabic music is built up of two levels only, the beat and the melody. This means that there is a beat to the song, and the actual melody that is the backbone of the song, while westorn music has three parts of its song, the beat, the melody, and the rythem, which is a third parts that has a different sound that is played during the song. For people that understand music structure, this shows the weekness of Arabic music.

So what do you think people?

i couldnt agree with u more. especially with point #2 :

Number 2, OK, it is not 99% but lets say 90% of all arabic songs use the same instruments, especially those so called KHALEEJI songs, don't you know about something called VARIATION, differentiation in music tastes, WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE SAME THING FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW

its so rare that u find an arabic song using a different tune..other than what the arabian producers are used to using!! what happend to programming. cant they start learning the true art of production..?

maybe its time they hired some western producers to produce some of their music.

i think thats the main problem in arabic music..and untill that changes..i will keep on saying that arabic music sucks.

maybe its time they hired some western producers to produce some of their music.


This is what is happening in the "Shami", Egyption and other African section of the Arabic world. Most of the top stars there like Amr Diab, Sameera Said, and many others do work with other westorn producers to compose their music, it is very obivious in Amr Diab's case and this is a main cause of his success. You can see how he is trying to implement hip hop and RnB in his music.

On of my favourite Arabic singers is Elissa who is using a great variaty of producers and song writers in her music, you can see the vast difference between her albums as she is exploring a wide section os music and is making total transformations in her style. Eg, first album (Bady Doub) was a full Arabic-Spanish album, while the second one did not have a single Latino/Spanish interference, plus, she is working with other artists, Second album, Raghib Alami, now lately Chris DeBourgh. It is obvious, Elissa Rules.

lol..i just remmeber an arabic song that featured some rapping in it..

erm...what was it..i think it was a Diab song.. and it was just hilarious..caus i mean..cummon. they're trying so hard to sound cool..but they just cant pull it off.and instead it just ends up sounding lame.

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i have to say that one of the best music production i heard in a new arabic song is ilain Khalf's new single..whatever its title is. that was rather good..with all the vocal effects and the fast beats. was actually quite impressed with that one.

I would like to also add another point.

99.9999% of all arabic songs are PREDICTABLE, if you play a song, you can here the first line, then you can tell what the singers is going to say next, it is not only the same topic that they seem to play over and over again, but they even use the smae words. :weep: Seriously, the problem is that the more you listen to the music, the more you become aware of this.

Anyway, the other thing that amazes me, is that people still listen to the same old same old tapes of the OLD DAYS, I mean, COME ON, I know that these say that these songs are the true classics that you never get bored of, these people claim that English music is crap that is why you try to listen to new stuff from time to time because you quicky get bored of what you listen to, while the good old Arabic music is the real thing that lasts forever.

What I reply to this is that there is a fact that people grow, you need to listen to know things that reflect your own character growth and personality, I mean how could you listen for NOTHING but the same THREE TAPES THAT YOU HAVE FOR TWENTY YEARS, and the problem is that it talks about NOTHING, but how much MOHAMMED ABDO LOVES ONE GIRL, ... WHAT IS THIS?

i have to say that one of the best music production i heard in a new arabic song is ilain Khalf's new single..whatever its title is. that was rather good..with all the vocal effects and the fast beats. was actually quite impressed with that one.


Oh yeah, there are improvements, but as you know, we are still DEVELOPING COUNTRIES, we need sometime to GET OVER some stuff.

Originally posted by BLuE_Chi


Anyway, the other thing that amazes me, is that people still listen to the same old same old tapes of the OLD DAYS, I mean, COME ON, I know that these say that these songs are the true classics that you never get bored of, these people claim that English music is crap that is why you try to listen to new stuff from time to time because you quicky get bored of what you listen to, while the good old Arabic music is the real thing that lasts forever.



hmmm...i dont get bored of some of fairouz's music..as i think that her songs are timeless.

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anyways..i agree with u..that there are some who keep on listening to the same tapes over and over again. and my father is the perfect example for that. he has this collection of fairouz and abdull haleem hafidh that i remember him having for a really really long time..and those are all he listens to. lol

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Oh yeah, there are improvements, but as you know, we are still DEVELOPING COUNTRIES, we need sometime to GET OVER some stuff.

very true. and i think arabic music still has a long way to go. and in terms of production..i think we are now equal to the production skills of the 80's in the western world..and maybe even that was better.

well what I could say is that eveyone have thier own taste!!

personaly, I detaste most english music .. if I am to listen to some, I really have to pick and choose .. I cant stand everything.

when it comes to arabic music, there are more to them than love as you said blue chi, we have songs that talk about peace, palastine issue, about humanity but you know what, we arabs concentrate on love songs only and those songs that only reaches the top!!

personaly, I am a person who listens to the words more than the music itself. This is what I get in arabic songs (especially khaliji songs). They have varaity of descriptions of certain feelings. This is what touches my heart .. and this is why I love arabic music over english ones.

Its a matter of taste, personaly I see different tunes in a song and another maybe coz I am used to listen to arabic music, while when it comes to english ones, I see the beats always the same!

By the way, I hate todays arabic viedo clips. Especially Elissa!! Oh my god guys you just dont notice she is using her body to get famous!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
when it comes to arabic music, there are more to them than love as you said blue chi, we have songs that talk about peace, palastine issue, about humanity but you know what, we arabs concentrate on love songs only and those songs that only reaches the top!!

Could you please tell me how many PEACE songs are released every year in comparison to LOVE Songs? I think that the ratio is something like 1:100000 . It is very sad, but again, there is no variation in the content of Arabic songs.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
personaly, I am a person who listens to the words more than the music itself. This is what I get in arabic songs (especially khaliji songs). They have varaity of descriptions of certain feelings. This is what touches my heart .. and this is why I love arabic music over english ones.


All the khaleeji songs TALK about the SAME EXACT thing, plus, all the famous ones work with the same peots, the majority of the lyrics are identical.

Another thing that I would like to point out is the fact that the majority of the Arabic singers are nothing but puppets that sing, what is the difference between them and the other members in the choir of their band? All they do is SING. There ONLY a very small percentage of singers that know how to play any instruments or contribute in the writing or producing of the song, their JOB is only to sing. Unlike many of the westorn artists who do everything from music composing to production and direction, when you listen to westorn music, you listen to a life experience and not an empty song that has nothing but fake emotions.

Blu-chi the fact that you dont listen to arabic song means you dont know that there are differnt songs than the ones you know.. dont listen to the top 10 lists coz those are mostly judged by teenegers .. but there are a wide varaiety of songs actually ..

infact MOST arabic (khaliji) singers know how to play 3uood, thats thier instrument, if you dont like 3ood fine .. but you have no right to say thye dont know any instrument.

ok, you say khaliji singers talk about the same exact thing, what is it?? maybe I dont notice it .. coz actually when I listen to khaliji songs I listen to different stories that could be imagined!!

mmm by the way, why do you judge arabic music on certain type of singers?? I could judge english songs on many singers that I really really hate .. actually I hate most english music .. but I beleive everyone have thier own taste!!

Originally posted by BLuE_Chi
]Another thing that I would like to point out is the fact that the majority of the Arabic singers are nothing but puppets that sing, what is the difference between them and the other members in the choir of their band? All they do is SING. There ONLY a very small percentage of singers that know how to play any instruments or contribute in the writing or producing of the song, their JOB is only to sing. Unlike many of the westorn artists who do everything from music composing to production and direction, when you listen to westorn music, you listen to a life experience and not an empty song that has nothing but fake emotions.

I have a lot to say about this topic but I don't have the time right now and I'll come back to it later today. One thing I want to say very quickly is that I totally disagree with Blue-chi's comment here. Most western singers are puppets just like what you said, blue-chi. They buy their songs from famous song writers and pay famous producers to produce them for them. HOw is that different. How many pop stars do you know who write their own songs or make their own music? When it comes to pop music it mostly manufactured. It's rock that has more of a tradition of writing your own stuff but in the pop world it is acceptable to get other people to write your stuff. Michael Jackson's best songs are written and produced by other artists for him. Whitney Houston has never written a song. Does Britney write her own stuff? For every R. Kelly there are probably 100 famous pop stars who have a great voice and zero musical talent.

I dont know Arabic well, nor do I understand the words in the songs.. but one thing, I really enjoy listening to Arabic songs. And I like them.. they dont sound the same to me..

Again as AP pointed out, that it depends on a person's interest of music..

there is this arabic song very old.. from black and white movie.. I dont know the person who sang it.. but it goes

Waiyak, waiyak, idunya helwa waiyak... and then goes on..

i just know that part:p

There is this egyptian guy.. he has wonderful songs.. his video clips has so many kids in in..
His name is Foud.. or Mod'd Foud.. one of those.. He has nice songs.. and there is Anoushka my favourite.. how could i forget her, and her music:)

who else:rolleyes:
overall the Arabic music is great..

wow, and I thogught I will be alone here defending arabic music :)

Originally posted by mux
When it comes to pop music it mostly manufactured. It's rock that has more of a tradition of writing your own stuff but in the pop world it is acceptable to get other people to write your stuff. Michael Jackson's best songs are written and produced by other artists for him. Whitney Houston has never written a song. Does Britney write her own stuff? For every R. Kelly there are probably 100 famous pop stars who have a great voice and zero musical talent.

i agree with u..here..cause u're right..most english pop stars dont write their music. can u believe that Celine dion who sold millions of albums..never wrote ..not even a single song? shame really..that she's only a voice..nothing more. and oh yeah..about britney..she co- wrote some of the songs on her last album..so i suppose she's getting there.

the only thing which makes me hate arabic music is..as i said above..the music production. if that improves..them am sure i might end up loving it.

Nabhan, I dont really care who writes the song, I care that she has a good voice and she knows how to choose her words.
ssame with arabic music ..

Originally posted by mux
I have a lot to say about this topic but I don't have the time right now and I'll come back to it later today. One thing I want to say very quickly is that I totally disagree with Blue-chi's comment here. Most western singers are puppets just like what you said, blue-chi. They buy their songs from famous song writers and pay famous producers to produce them for them. HOw is that different. How many pop stars do you know who write their own songs or make their own music? When it comes to pop music it mostly manufactured. It's rock that has more of a tradition of writing your own stuff but in the pop world it is acceptable to get other people to write your stuff. Michael Jackson's best songs are written and produced by other artists for him. Whitney Houston has never written a song. Does Britney write her own stuff? For every R. Kelly there are probably 100 famous pop stars who have a great voice and zero musical talent.

It is true that not EVERY-SINGLE artist does write his songs, especilly in the pop music section, but most of the other people do actually co-write there stuff or at least contribute in the production. Anyway, we are talking on an overall scheme, if you compare the number of arabic singers contributing in the making of their stuff in relation to the westorn you will get my point.

However, people please read the title of the thread, I am talking about the industry, and not the music itself. I myself listen to Arabic music and I don't have a problem with the TYPE of music, what I talk about here is the industry.

You say the thread is about the industry but all your comments are about the artists.

If you want to talk about the industry why don't you talk about how there is no organization to regulate the Arab music industry. There's no way to find out what's the best selling album of the week, the month, or of all time. There are no charts. Arab artists don't get royalties on their sales.

Why don't you talk about how unfair it is when music companies such as Rotana sign exclusivity contracts with artists that include the right to manage to totally manage an artist. Or even worse when Rotana signs an exclusivity contract with a satellite channel to show their music videos only on that channel. Aren't music videos supposed to be an advertising tool?

The Arabic music industry needs a kick in the as$.

you certainly don't know what you are talking about. First of all arabic music has it's own characteristics, so you can't simply say it sucks because it's different than the main stream. I remember one time I attended a rock band concert in which one of the guitarists was wearing a T-Shirt with Um-kalthoum picture on it. There are alot of people who appreciate arabic music, you are not one of them so that does not make it suck.