Why do I see people saying "Saddam our hero"? There are many of you whom were brainwashed by the true fact about that Saddam isn't worth a shoe also. Those people whom salut him know "****" about history. You got to make more researches on those stuff before you start saluting him.

He is an evil person whom killed and slautered alot of his own people. He is a phsyco -> Did you know that Saddam when he was around 10 years old, he killed his teacher? Now is this a human?

Stop being brainwashed by this evil person. Although I pray for the Iraqi citizens to survive, and the evil powers to get destroyed.

PS/ At the same I am not with the Bush Adminstration and Blair, because they are evil too, same as Bush.

At least he is standing against the US and the UK. So arabs should be proud of him and proud of Iraq as a country.

IceTea, IT IS HIS DUTY ('3asban 3ano) to defend his country. It's not something we should thank him for. He is a leader should make sure no invasion happens.

Do you really believe his so-called 2nd "Speech" which he gave yesterday on Al-Jazeera? It was too fake his words! Because since when he gave a **** about his people? He's just getting more attention to himself.

He should defend his country, kick USA/UK from his country as they are invading it. Then resign (yataqa3ad) from his position. (The last statement will never happen except if done with force).

Finally, we should be proud of the Iraqi nation, not Saddam.

D-K he is not defeding his people and his country only, in this war he is defending all arab countries and muslims. The Americans objectives are much far from Iraq only, they want to control the whole region and support the great Israel.

IceTea, I've written an article about my view about this war, and I even mentioned in it that this war is an Israelie war, not an american one.

Our duty as Arabs, should defend Iraq, and throw USA/UK outside. Unfortunatly none of our Arabian leaders want to interfer in this war as each one LIVE A WORLD OF FEAR. I wish this world of fear exists. It does NOT exist, though they LIVE IT.

Saddam truely is the only arabian leader whom had the balls to defend his country.

My main point was, did most of the people know what he did to his own country? His own people? Nope! They are just judging him from the news they see today.

Don

I tend to suppport Ice_Tea with his comment, I am not supporting any politician in my opinion as they are all like bananas they tend to be Green when they need you and turns yellow after achieving their objective, Back to Saddam any Muslim/Arab leader who could stand against Evils Bush/Blair with their hidden agendas against Arabs and Muslim they must be respected and whether you like it or not these are our all time Heros, and currentsly Sadddam he is our all time HERO no abosultely doubts in my mind about that, for all 50yrs of Terrorisit State of Israel no any Arab Nation has ever dared to hit direct Inside Israel, But Our HERO Saddam did it, beside after that hard Hit he managed to tell americans and Israel Evils that we have the ability to penetrate and that was the reason driven Evil American to start talking about Palestine Right and states, Apart from all that you need a wise leader to make your people strong, and all Iraq are stronger and wise because they have a Strong leader:D

Originally posted by Don Khaled
My main point was, did most of the people know what he did to his own country? His own people? Nope! They are just judging him from the news they see today.

Don I just wonder whether you too have witnessed what Americans has been saying about Saddam killings!! we all see that in the Tv and we are not sure about it right what if they created those Images?, if you refer what has happens in Habja back in 1988 then why those evils America/British did not make head line at tha time? why now cant you read the messages that there is something fishy going on, I think we are the people who have been Brain washed by Evil Americano and Jews and not by Saddam.

Let assme that America invaded Qatar (la samah Allah) do you think Saddam would care??? he would have cared before entering a war with his neighbouring country, Kuwait!!!

Well am with you Don, sadam does not deserve to be symphasised for .. he have killed his own people. Buch and Blair could have searched for Saadam in any other way other then war coz by war they are not touching Saddam .. they are harming the people!!! and what I care about are the people ..

Originally posted by Sleyum
Don I just wonder whether you too have witnessed what Americans has been saying about Saddam killings!! we all see that in the Tv and we are not sure about it right what if they created those Images?,

I've talked to more than 30 Iraqies here in USA, and all of them have said the same thing "Saddam is not fair". Whoever disobeys him, get KILLED without any negotition.

Saddam has hundreds (maybe thousands) of hidden JAILS under ground. All of those people are whom were against Saddam. If you say "No" to Saddam, he kills you.

I was told also lots of stories too about Saddam, but as I said "Stories".

I will repeat this again and always do "It is Saddam's duty as ANY other leader to protect his country". If this happened to Syria, then "Bashar Asad" would have fought back, and etc.. And as Arabian Princesses said, Sad**** won't really do much.

Although the ONLY good thing Saddam had done in his life was to support palestinians. But throw the goodies and bad, heck, the bads just dominate the list big time.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Let assme that America invaded Qatar (la samah Allah) do you think Saddam would care??? he would have cared before entering a war with his neighbouring country, Kuwait!!!

Well am with you Don, sadam does not deserve to be symphasised for ..

A-P
With all my respect to your opinion, But let us not forget all four Major wars Arabs fought against Israel, where Syria Capital was just few 40km in the hand of Israel, and before that Amman was about to be taken Iraqs without being Invited by concerns Arabs they jumped went and fought against Israel and rescued Capital of fellow Arabs, So Sister I wouldn't be Surprised even now if one Arab is invaded Iraq's with good heart and Islamic feelings will go forward and defend fellow Arab Countries not likewise other Arab capital where they have invited the Evils into their countries to fight fellow Iraq Arab. and yet those countries they raise their head up happy seeing Iraq are being Bombarded,

And dont forget American/British and Few Arab Countries they have Killed More than 1.5million Innocent Iraq for last 12yrs by keeping sanction in place before we support or not let us try and look big Picture's.:angre:

Slyeum ..
instead of invading kuwait .. why didnt he focus on Isreal???

Saddam does not care about anything .. even Islamic world .. for god sake he is a baathi .. it is the most secular regim in the arab world!!!

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Slyum ..
instead of invading kuwait .. why didnt he focus on Isreal???

Saddam does not care about anything .. even Islamic world .. for god sake he is a baathi .. it is the most secular regim in the arab world!!!

Arabian princess, Saddam is very confusing person. He helps palestinians, and at the same time kill his own people. I mean, what the heck is this?

Secondly, I totally agree with you about the kuwait invasion. He should have attacked Israel instead. But don't forget, the strong always goes for the weak.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Slyeum ..
instead of invading kuwait .. why didnt he focus on Isreal???

Saddam does not care about anything .. even Islamic world .. for god sake he is a baathi .. it is the most secular regim in the arab world!!!

A-P
Surely even Boxers before they go for any major Competition they need to practice build up convidence and go for it, that was the same case with Saddam he needed first to practice build up some plan and convidence then from there on he was in his way to liberate Jerusalem, unfortunately he was stoped half way with gulf war when American Evils discovered the Plan,

Saddam he is not the Only Islamic Leaders who doesnt care much about Religion, they are dozen of Islamic leaders who dont give a dame about their religion as they see Bush as their only protector and they forget that the only Protector is Almight Allah, when you talk politic dont mix with religion as I have said we have dozen of current Islamic leader who are very far from their actually religion and that's why we Muslim we suffer today because of their bad faith and atitudes:weep:

Slyuem ..
imagine Saddam wanted to exercise and practice his powers in Oman .. would you accept it???
Why do we have short memory .. did we forgetr when he did in Kuwait?? it was th most unislamic war ever .. when a bad action comes from a muslim ... its 10 times worse when it comes from a kaffer!!

Yes there are other unislamic leader .. but you people are calling him a muslim hero!! he is never is and will never will be to me an Islamic leader ..

Saddam Hussain has directly caused the death of almost 2 million muslims and is indirectly responsible for the death of at least 1 million more. Is this your idea of a hero?

If he cared about his people he wouldn't 1) kill and torture them on his own, 2) send them to their deaths on battlefields, 3) allow them to be in the position they are in today. If Saddam cared for the people of Iraq he would have abdicated his position and taken asylum when it was given to him as a last chance to avert the present war.

The problem with Arabs, they won't move a finger until a bullet goes in thier head. But then, that would be too late. So basically, FORGET the Arabs to stand up.

Look at it this way, Israel took over Palestian (ofcourse few Arabian countries fought Israel), but then when they were exhausted, they stopped and signed in agreements with Israel. The same thing will happen with Iraq. If Iraq got taken over, say BYE BYE to yourself, because you may be the next target.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Why do we have short memory .. did we forgetr when he did in Kuwait?? it was th most unislamic war ever

I wonder why Arabs always conveniently forget about the Iraq-Iran War when they bring up the topic of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. 10 years before Kuwait Saddam invaided Iran, also an islamic country. It was the bloodiest war our region has seen in the 20th century. More than a million people died. How come the invasion of Kuwait is the most unislamic war ever and not this one?

mux, I am sure many people don't remember what really happened in the Irani war, BECAUSE most of the members here were not born that time or were kids.

When they use the Kuwait as an example, is because they've maybe experienced the war, and they've been in touch with the news that time. But for someone to come and make up his own assumption for Irani war without knowing about it wouldn't be really wise. (My guess)

Anyways, you are right. The Irani/Iraqi war was a very huge one.

Don Khalid

Whilst i can understand your frustration over the current events taking place in Iraqi and your lack of appreciative for the efforts being put by a number of the arab leaders to stop the British and American invasion of Iraq. I find it a bit difficult to agree that those considering His Excellency the Iraqi leader, an Arab Hero, at this critical moment are Brainwashed.

In any case we here in this respectable Sablah are unaware of the truth of the matter in Iraq and why Iraq as a nation finds itself in the situation it is right now.

This is a war that is being led by the Americans but peddaled by the British. Do we agree ?

I assume that we are all educated here, and education goes beyond what a person is taught in school. None of us here is old enough to remember World War II, but I assume that any educated person would know the basic facts about it. Same with all the major wars of our recent history such as Vietnam and so on. Just because a person wasn't born when Iraq invaded Iran, isn't reason enough for the person not to know the basic facts. Afterall, I am talking about educated people who are using the internet to exchange knowledge and views. I am not talking about basic lay people who are ignorantly discussing views on the street.

Besides, being Arabs and muslims living in the Gulf I'd assume that we at the very least would know our own history, before we know others'.

Dear DK,
This is an imperialist aggression on a week nation. Anglo American axis has violated, ignored the UNO.

By passing UNO they have invaded Iraq for changing its regime.

They have pocked their nose to others internal affairs which is very much contradictory to UN Charter.

They are also careless about the term “Sovereignty”, this is one of the vital component of independence.

World people are against this.

People of Iraq are oppressed by Saddam, no doubt about it.

We do not have fellow feeling for Saddam.

AP is absolutely right, he doesn’t have any connection with the Islamic movement and by nature he is secular. He doesn’t have any connection with any Muslim fundamentalist group even.He is an Arab and Muslim.

Reality is this, these idiot Anglo American axis has made this monster to hero. This image has been thrust upon him.
“Some man are born great, some achieve greatens and sometimes greatness thrust upon” Shakespeare.

World people showing sympathy for Iraqis and Saddam becoming the beneficiary.

mux, the problem is (which I am sure of), many don't know the history well enough. When I was studying back in school about history, they never mentioned anything about the Iran war. I wonder why?

Originally posted by mux


1:

Just because a person wasn't born when Iraq invaded Iran, isn't reason enough for the person not to know the basic facts.

2:

Besides, being Arabs and muslims living in the Gulf I'd assume that we at the very least would know our own history, before we know others'.


Valid argument Mux,

1:

But it is a bit unrealistic for anyone without access to the truth to make an accurate conclusion. Educated or not we judge on information that is publicly available. For example when Iraq invaded Iran the actual motive of Iraq doing so is not clear. But there was a famous Algerian pact which was signed by Iraq during the Shah's era. Why Iraq chose to abroagate it, and was eventually endorsed by British, American and a number of GCC administrations. It is a puzzle, whose key is with His Excellency, Lawyer, President for Life, al-Qaed Saddam Hussain. If you have a clue Mux it'll be most appreciative.


2:

Arabs ? & muslims ? GOD forgive you this is a taugh question. Taugh in a sense that i understand there was a flock of so called Mujahedeen who went to fight in Afghanistan and look what had happened to them. The majority went with the support of the countries' administrations. If the Afghan jihad could take place in that fasion against the "infidel" Soviet Union why not now ?

Who mobilised the Afghani jihad ? Who trained, Who financed, who and who and who ?

Let us check our economies !! it is a joke Sir.

Iraq is a nation. An arab nation. No matter what it has to be represented by some one. Immediately after 1990 His Excellency the President of Iraq announce his intention to step down. As a result an election according to their internal arrangements was staged and he was elected back in office by the people of the country. Since then a lot of efforts has been put into place by a number of Arab League countries bo bring Iraq back into the arab camp. Iraq has bent to apologize to the Kuwaiti people. Eventually Arab summit in Beirut succeeded in bring closer, Iraqis and a number of GCC countries. As a result two declarations emerged and non-has seen a light:

1-

"Arab countries would recognize the existance of Israel as a state provided the Israelis fulfil their commitments. - Mux you know what happened."

2-


"Any arab country that comes under attack from external invasion is an attack on all member countries."


I better stop here i need your contributions gentlemen.

Let me remind you of why Arabs believe in Saddam Excuse me for writting this in Arabic :
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This is the policy that we grew up with ...

Originally posted by Dark Project


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This is the policy that we grew up with ...


:weep:

My Honourable Ladies and Gents
Let us all not forget that what saddam did in Kuwait during the Invasion was wrong that's no doubt about it,

Then what makes Right for American/British/Australia and Kuwaits
to Invade Iraq at this moment of time??? well we may argue the whole day in day out, 1990 Saddam we think was wrong even thus we dont know the motive behind that Invasion, and now in 2003 we see These Eveil countries I hav mentioned above the have Invaded Iraq, So let us be fair who is right and who is wrong, if you have such a guts to accuse Saddam for what he did in 1990, then you should practice the same Guts to Accuse America/British/Australia/Kuwait/Qatar/and Bahrain because they are all in board this time Invading Iraq for no Reason where they were no such UN authorasation, the whole world are protesting and crying for this unjust War, we dont need to read History to find out the old and the New events as everything its just in front of naked eyes.

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
:weep:

Dear Desert Sloth ..

Don’t get me wrong I did not say I believe in it but this is the fact don’t you agree?

My friend Sleyum ,

I tend to disagree with you .. You are right in some ways and some I disagree .
Lots of rulers are involved since Iraqi Irani war so the past is catching up and we have to pay for our old deeds my friend .
This war did not come from thin air .. There were lots of reasons politic , economic ideological issues .
Past could not be deleted that simple .

Originally posted by Dark Project
Dear Desert Sloth ..

this is the fact don’t you agree?




I only wish it was that's why am crying. My heart is bleeding, I just wish it was a fact. But i know your wishful thinking it is. Just wandering what is wrong with us ?


Sleyum

i can only think of 'a set up' for whatever led the invasion of Kuwait by the Iraqis as well as Iran. But this is politics and all along British and Americans have lived with all those incidences.

my question you guys is why do i feel of lack of trust and forgiveness amidst arab administrations ? Ya nass, kafaana, ila mata ? Just get your pencil and visit a library in your locality jot down on a piece of paper how much arab countries have to date spent on military spending Iraq inclusive ?

why should we create imaginative enemies to satisfy American and British employment industries ? Some countries owns so called defence aircrafts for which they do not have a runnawy ? the moment the aircraft takes off it is already into a neighbours territory ? Why can't we learn something good from the europeans ? See belgium, and the little states that are there they do not have instabilities that we own :D isn't that nice ?

yesterday we said Saddam was evil .. today we say he is not ..

so this means:

today we say America is evil .. tom we will say it is not????


I dont work with this equation .. who commited a wrong act liek what saddam did should not be forgotten.

"He should defend his country, kick USA/UK from his country as they are invading it. Then resign (yataqa3ad) from his position."

Don, if Saddam had resigned BEFORE the war, don't you think that would have been better?

"IceTea, IT IS HIS DUTY ('3asban 3ano) to defend his country."

Saddam isn't defending his country, he is defending his regime. Saddam is a war criminal who used chemical weapons on his own people in Halabja. He won't give up because he has enjoyed the trappings of power, gained at the expense of ordinary Iraqis, for too long.

"in this war he is defending all arab countries and muslims"

Ice Tea, there are millions of muslim Iraqi refugees who have fled Iraq to escape his murderous regime. Do you think that Saddam is defending them? How about the Marsh Arabs (Ma'dan), whom Saddam has decimated, destroying an ancient muslim culture, does he defend them? And what about Kuwait, last time I looked that was still muslim, is he defending Kuwait as well? Does he also defend, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE.....

Ice, I think you need to examine the facts more carefully.

"Apart from all that you need a wise leader to make your people strong"

Sleyum, Iraq has the resources to be one of the richest countries in the world. Saddam's "wisdom" has led to 3 wars in the last 20 years, leading to millions of deaths and widespread destruction of Iraq. That's the kind of "wisdom" we can do without, I think.

"Surely even Boxers before they go for any major Competition they need to practice build up convidence and go for it"

Sleyum, I don't think I've ever heard anything more daft in my life. You don't "practice" killing Israelis by first killing Arabs!

"I wonder why Arabs always conveniently forget about the Iraq-Iran War"

Mux, you are so right....

"did we forgetr when he did in Kuwait??"

Princess, you too....

mux ..
you are right .. the thing is that iraq-iran war happened when I was very younge .. so I did not live it and this is why am more attached to Kuwait war .. however, both wars were equally unjustified.

Originally posted by Arabian Princess


who commited a wrong act liek what saddam did should not be forgotten.



1:

What some of us are saying is that both British and Americans are no better than what Saddam is. Therefore, not qualified to judge and punish.

2:

The British and Americans a liers. They have lied to the world.
Such countries should be an example to the rest of the world. Alas their policies just lack morality. If they did then the entire world community wouldn't be standing on their way. Why nobody opposed them in the 1990. AP those are the very country that created and still maintain the so called state of Israel that is what I hear but am not sure.

3:

Why some of you keep repeating what anti-arab / muslim say about yourselves ? huh


4:

Do you think Bush is that fool to offer Turkey 38 billion dollars in the first place to agree on aggression over Iraq ?

Right now, and remember this, Bush is arguing with the congress for more money to scater around as follows :

1- Turkey
2- Israel
3- Jordan
4- Egypt


Is he doing so for the black eyes of the people of Iraq ? Didn't they once upon a time sided with Iraq ? Wasn't them who sided with the Afghan Mujahidin in their chamilion colors ?

I beginning to get fed up with this sort argument and just let us have a swinging chair and let them push it for us. But i am afraid they wouldn't only push the swinger with pushing a finder then only we would understand :eek:

Des,

As always, your posts are long on invective, but short of facts.

"If they did then the entire world community wouldn't be standing on their way"

35 nations support the war on Saddam, including Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Australia, Japan, Italy, Spain, Czech, Poland....

Iran also quietly supports the action.

Most of Europe, including ALL of the Eastern European countries who recently escaped the clutches of Russia, support the action.

"British and Americans are no better than what Saddam is"

There is such a thing as "action" and "reaction". If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait, had not developed weapons of mass destruction (including an attempt to develop nuclear weapons - why else would a country with among the largest oil reserves want a nuclear reactor?), had not murdered his own people at Halabja, had not killed 10s of thousands of Marsh Arabs, including destroying their environment, had not persecuted his own population such that 4 million - yes, 4 MILLION - Iraqis were forced to flee his regime, then the US and UK would not have felt the NEED to react.

Sorry, Mephistopheles, but the US and UK have not moved to remove Saddam for the good of the Iraqi people. They aren't doing it because of the man's past actions and attrocities. And they aren't doing it because he is a threat to them either.

Just bcz you agreed with my points, doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with yours. Saddam is a bad bad man. He hasn't done anything good for his people. His actions have brought nothing but pain for Iraq. But are the US and UK invading Iraq because Saddam is a bad man? Sorry, I don't think so.

"But are the US and UK invading Iraq because Saddam is a bad man? Sorry, I don't think so."

In time, we will both see.

The British and Americans destroyed the Milosovic regime in Yugoslavia, leaving Yugoslavians to their own democratic future.

The US has a Marshall Plan for Europe after WW2, investing vast sums in the regeneration of Germany, then left Germans to their own democratic future.

The US invested vast sums in Japan after WW2, later leaving Japanese to their own democratic future.

The same will happen to Iraq.

Mephis.
If that's the case that America go and live those country to their own democratic future. Then why dont they go in every countries of which are not yet fully democratically? They are lots of African countries which are suffering from long Wars, Then where is America why dont they go there and help?? Or isn't because in those African countries they have only tomato and beans to grow, and that doesnt suit American taste where as in Iraq is prooven to have huge Black Gold (oil). America dont help for the sake of helping they go for their good Interest, and where possible to get rid of Muslim to wipe Muslims from the World map.
me and you we will argue, But the fact American Regime they have somethig More Bad dos to Arab and Muslim in General apart from all good world you keep hearing from PR statements from TV, if Kuwait and Iraq were part of carrots and potatos growers American wouldn't have bothered to come around, then why dont they to Siera leon, or Congo they need help down there with on going Wars.

The answer is that not every African dictator seeks weapons of mass destruction. If they did, you could be sure that the US would start to get interested.......

Furthermore, the UK looks very carefully at African countries, eg sending troops to Sierra Leone to help stop the civil war there. But, it's a big world! One step at a time, eh? Deal with the biggest problems first. Furthermore, just because you can't help ALL problems doesn't mean you shouldn't help where you can, particularly where the injustices are as great as in Iraq.

"where possible to get rid of Muslim to wipe Muslims from the World map"

Nonsense. Both the US and UK have large muslim populations and both countries welcome peaceable citizens of all religions.

"me and you we will argue"

Let's call it enlightened debate between friends, eh?

Mephistopheles
"me and you we will argue"
I tend to agree with the above comment that we will always argue, Pretending helping or being friends by American and British that's purely Public relationship, But in their hearts they have something different Kill as many Muslim as you can, The eveidence is clear during the War in Afghanistan the aim was to catch al Qaeda, but the oppurtunity for them was clear went and bombing Villages, innocent people in their wedding party and what they say it was justified killing them what the hell is that justifying killing innocent people, many villages were flatted, see in Iraq in single Night they fired over 1000 missiles into the big city baghdad, still you dont read ehh. when it comes Old issue Israel and Palestines for that they say that is different we will talk no fire, for North Korea again its Diplomatic because no Muslim in Korea, cant you see that double standard, But for any Muslim issue dont ask nor Diplomatic just send Missiles, sure we can argue the whole day, you dont live in this region to understand what we go through you are just been brainwashed by Jews Media to believe what they wanted you know with limit information so you always remain in dark. keep sleeping my friend so that you can always be ruled by Jews Media

Politics is not stagnant , it moves . In politics today’s enemy may be to-morrow your friend.
For last twenty years Iraq is the head lines of international news media for various reasons. For the first 8/9 years for Iran-Iraq war.
During the cold war era Iran was the strong fort of America in the Middle East. Reza Shah Pahlavi was the in the direct blessings of America. At the end of 70th, under the leadership of Mr. Khomeni Iran was shake by Islamic Revolution.
America and the western power become afraid with this revolution.
Reza shah Pahlavi , closest friend of America went to exile but surprisingly none of the western country extend there hand to co-operate him and none of them gave him asylum.
America used Saddam to crash Islamic Revolution in Iran. Hundred thousand of solider died and billion dollars worth Military equipments and other assets destroyed. Replacement of all the military logistics was done by America in Iraq and made the Saddam mighty autocrat in Iraq. All the chemical and biological weapons were supplied by USA and UK.
Early ninety Saddam invaded Kuwait. There is a rumor that Saddam was inspired by some American Ambassador to invade Kuwait. Perhaps it was trap and Saddam his associates could not analyze international situation properly. Results, the beloved person of America and hero become villain.
None of Iraqi leader has opened their mouth during last 13 years, why they invaded Kuwait. They kept their lips tight in this issue.
None of us perhaps support Saddam Hussain, but we express our solidarity with the sovereign right, independence of Iraq. We are opposing this unjust war and aggression.

"But in their hearts they have something different Kill as many Muslim as you can"

What an absurd comment. I live in Britain, where over 1 million muslims have migrated over the last 30 years or so, many of them escaping from repressive regimes including Iraq. No-one forced them to come here, they came because Britain is a tolerant society that welcomes peaceable people of all religions.

The war in Afghanistan occurred because the Taliban government was giving sanctuary to Al-Quada. There will be innocent victims in any war, but Afghanistan now has a chance at security that it hasn't had in many decades, with a broadly based government representing all interests rather than just the interests of a small minority intent on imposing their views on everyone else.

As for "Jewish media", it's the same old moronic argument trotted out time and time again. In the West we have access to a vast selection of news providers, including the BBC, which is assuredly NOT Jewish.

Political and religious leaders in the Middle East have over the years skilfully deflected attention away from the apalling poverty and lack of human rights in muslim countries. The enemy is not Bush and the US, the enemy is repressive regimes just about everywhere you look amongst Middle East countries, with poor education, no democratic rights, poor health, low incomes, and, ultimately, low quality of life.

The leaders of Middle East countries steal national resources, living lives of sublime luxury while the ordinary man and woman has nothing. It's no wonder that so many muslims are desperate to escape to a better life in the West. How many palaces has Saddam built, at the expense of building, for example, new hospitals? How many sports cars have his sons Uday and Qusay squandered Iraqi funds on?

Iraq will be a much happier place when Saddam and his evil regime are terminated.

Originally posted by Mephistopheles
[BThe leaders of Middle East countries steal national resources, living lives of sublime luxury while the ordinary man and woman has nothing. It's no wonder that so many muslims are desperate to escape to a better life in the West. How many palaces has Saddam built, at the expense of building, for example, new hospitals? How many sports cars have his sons Uday and Qusay squandered Iraqi funds on?

Iraq will be a much happier place when Saddam and his evil regime are terminated. [/B]

So why blame Saddam alone ?? And says who that Iraqi's will be much happier if Saddam's regime would be terminated? What’s the difference between Saddam and the Arab rulers and USA and Britain when it comes to national resources?
Do you think that whichever regime will take over wont do the same as Saddam did? Why portraying something by the So-called 35 countries to free only Iraq from a dictator .. Yakhi how many are they in Arabia who does worse than Saddam to their people ??

"So why blame Saddam alone"

Did Egypt invade Kuwait, build weapons of mass destruction, attack Halabja with chemicals and kill 10s of thousands of marsh Arabs? Did Jordan? Or Saudi Arabia?

No. That's why.

"What’s the difference between Saddam and the Arab rulers and USA and Britain when it comes to national resources?"

Does Tony Blair build palaces for himself at vast public expense? Or George Bush?

No. That's the difference.

"Do you think that whichever regime will take over wont do the same as Saddam did?"

Do you think it could possibly be worse?

"Yakhi how many are they in Arabia who does worse than Saddam to their people ??"

You tell me.

If the Arab countries spent less time trying to stay in the Dark Ages and devoted more energy to developing progressive societies then they would not be so dependent on the goodwill and lives of gallant friends to sort out their problems. All the Iraqis I know are looking forward to the day when Saddam and his thugs are gone and then they plan to return to Iraq and rebuild their lives.

Did Egypt invade Kuwait, build weapons of mass destruction, attack Halabja with chemicals and kill 10s of thousands of marsh Arabs? Did Jordan? Or Saudi Arabia?

Who supported the Iraqi Iran war? USA by giving him all types or arms and technology. Did the people of Iraq ask the Americans and the Brits to come and help? I don’t think so as they are the ones who are fighting back .I say they chose him let the Iraqi remove him, 26 million Iraqi if they really want Saddam out they could easily remove him .It is an internal issue stay out of it.
Does Tony Blair build palaces for himself at vast public expense? Or George Bush?


Oh yes the blood brothers ... Control the world's oil and major US and UK companies to be protected some are personal some are for the high chair.

Do you think it could possibly be worse?

New era of Dictatoracy Not Democracy change the word Demo to dictate and throw all resolution in the dustbin and instead of dealing with it diplomatically and abide with UN and SC take the action by yourself and distort the world organization and create a greater country which dictates and rules the way it wants and it does not need supporters at all I think we should not call it the United nation it should be called United American global nations ..And the slogan is Either you are with us or against US.
You tell me. I just did Mephistopheles

"Who supported the Iraqi Iran war? USA by giving him all types or arms and technology"

So what? That was then, this is now. Britain fought the US in the past. Politics change, alliances change.

"Did the people of Iraq ask the Americans and the Brits to come and help?"

Yes, actually. 4 million Iraqis live in exile, many in the UK. The big majority support the war so that they can return to their homes.

"It is an internal issue stay out of it"

It ceased to be internal when he attacked Kuwait in 1990 and then refused to disarm.

"Oh yes the blood brothers"

You must learn not to judge others by your own standards.

"dealing with it diplomatically"

Ah, the Arab way....sit on your fat lazy backside, do nothing but talk interminably, then complain when someone else deals with the problem.

So what? That was then, this is now. Britain fought the US in the past. Politics change, alliances change. It ceased to be internal when he attacked Kuwait in 1990 and then refused to disarm.
So what? That was then, this is now. Britain fought the US in the past. Politics change, alliances change.
Contridicting yourself !!
Yes, actually. 4 million Iraqis live in exile, many in the UK. The big majority support the war so that they can return to their homes.
Wow !! It must have been hard for you to gather all them Iraqi's scattered all over the world to to take their vote to free Iraq. You must learn not to judge others by your own standards Which one ? The one which is either you are woth us or against us ??? Or the double standard policy towards the Middle East adopted by US and UK ?
Ah, the Arab way....sit on your fat lazy backside, do nothing but talk interminably, then complain when someone else deals with the problem. LOL LOL This is funny when we retaliate we are terrorist when we sit and negociate we are lazy , when we raise our voices we are against you .. We never seem to win .

"So what? That was then, this is now. Britain fought the US in the past. Politics change, alliances change."

DP, the US fought the British for their independence in the 1770s. Now the British and Americans are allies. As I said, politics change, alliances change.

Now please tell me where the contradiction is.

"We never seem to win"

That's because you're always wrong.

Originally posted by Mephistopheles
"So what? That was then, this is now. Britain fought the US in the past. Politics change, alliances change."

DP, the US fought the British for their independence in the 1770s. Now the British and Americans are allies. As I said, politics change, alliances change.

Now please tell me where the contradiction is.

"We never seem to win"

That's because you're always wrong.

This is your problem my dear Mephistopheles you never seem to fail by pointing your finger to others forgetting that there are 4 fingers pointing at yourself.
Who are the US and Brits to tell us that we are wrong ,we are an ancient civilaization born before you poped out from no where we lived in the Golden ages whereby you guys seems to live in the darkest ages .
Thomas Carlile one of your own greatest thinkers said" If it werent for the Muslim Arab civilaization we would still be living in the dark ages" I quote .
The civilaization roots goes back to 7000 years in some Arab countries including Iraq .How could a newly born country tell us we are wrong ? Maybe we are No one is perfect .. But to pin point all the time and you are never wrong thats impossible.

DP, the Arab civilisation of several thousand years ago was indeed illustrious. But what happened? It seems to be stuck in a time warp. Muslims have played no part in scientific advances of the past several hundred years.

Regarding Iraq, and specifically Saddam, I think that a poem by our very own British Percy Bysshe Shelley, written in the early 1800s, is thought provoking.

Ozymandias

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away