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Good mor/aft/eve...

I have one Q for none-Muslims here which I would like them to answer.
This is not a fight between Islam and other religions. And I might not even reply to what they write. I am just curious to know that's all.



I read once one of the members here wrote about the Holy Quran that it was a book written " by Arabs for Arabs"

Now the Q is...

How would u consider a certain book as the word of God?
or What should a book contain in order for others to beleive it is from God?
In other words: why would u judge that this book is the word of God?

In points plz!

thx

i'm not sure if i understand your question really...

It's been accepted for hundreds of years that the Bible, Quran and the books that jewish people believe is from god - different interpretations of His message and all that.

If i've interpretted your question correctly, that's a really good question - but it could also be applied to muslims if you think about it - not just non-muslims.

For us as muslims the holy Quran is our book and it's one version since revealed to profet Mohammed PBUH until the final day. The holy Quran mentioned about other previous religions books like the Bible for example, and the message which was given to profet Jesus PBUH to his people mentioned in the holy Quran which is same as all other profets messages. To worship Allah only and not to worship other objects, people, profets, Satan, etc.

Also it's also known that the Bible was corrupted and changed from it's original state unlike the holy Quran remained one version until today. Because it's protected and maintained by God as mentioned in the holy Quran.

Yes the Bible has been changed by leaders that wished for things to go their way... no respect - although it did happen a long time ago... unfortunatly what's done is done...
The Quran is protected by God as the Bible is, but i think that over the ages there was more respect for what was written there (Quran) and that is why it hasn't been touched - i think that that is something to be proud of. God can't control our actions, He left it up to the people or rather trusted the people to keep his message going...

Originally posted by Jumanjima
Yes the Bible has been changed by leaders that wished for things to go their way... no respect - although it did happen a long time ago... unfortunatly what's done is done...
The Quran is protected by God as the Bible is, but i think that over the ages there was more respect for what was written there (Quran) and that is why it hasn't been touched - i think that that is something to be proud of. God can't control our actions, He left it up to the people or rather trusted the people to keep his message going...

Two point you mentioned not true:

1. You said the Bible protected by God like the Quran, what is your evidence of this ?

2. You said God can't control our actions, Yes he can. God can do anything he wants, anytime, anywhere and to anybody. He is the creater of everything the universe, the moon, the sun, humans, Jines, angles, animals, etc.

"Careful, Boss is here!"




We Muslims beleive that the Holy Quran is God's word because we know that...
1- It's never been changes or corrupted
2- God is telling people through it that He is the creater of all worlds and that only He should be wrrshiped then.
3- The Holy Quran has a very unique and distinguished way that all Arabs were astonished reading or listening to it although the Arabic language was at its summit.
4- There is a challenge, rather challenges, not only for Arabs but for all people to make even one verse like the Holy Quran's verses. All failed up till now.
5- We know for sure that the Holy Quran talked about events that later became true and happened so vivdly.(e.g. The Quran talks about Abu-Lahab, the prophets uncle as a disbeliever and says that he wont be a Muslim and that he will die as a non Muslim and will go to Hell. After this Sura, Abu-Lahab lived for about seven years. In Islam if u say "There is no God but Allah, Moh'd is the messanger of Allah" in Arabic it's enough for others to consider u as a Muslim. Abu Lahab thiugh he hated Islam he couldnt say these two sentences even with the intension of destroying Islam. He could stand up and say" Ok, U say that the Holy Quran is not a lie, ok, altough it says that I wont become a muslim, I will declare it now, I am a muslim. He could say so and then goes home and gets back to his religion, but he didnt.)
6- There are many miracles in the Holy Quran (Scientific..ligual..etc) which no other book contains any of them.

These are some reasons why we consider it the word of God and of course there are others and others and others.


My Q is what reasons make u really beleive that the Bible for example is the word of God
Note: one of the miracles in the Holy Quran is that it tells us that the Bible was changed.


Just to make things clear.
thanx

Originally posted by Boss

How would u consider a certain book as the word of God?
or What should a book contain in order for others to beleive it is from God?
In other words: why would u judge that this book is the word of God?


For me to accept something as the "word of God", it would have to be:

1. internally consistent (not contradict itself)
2. not say that God has characteristics that I cannot believe He has (I know that's awkward but I can't think of a better way to say it at the moment).
3. any statements it makes about the physical world not contradict what is observed to be true.

My opinion is that none of the commonly accepted "holy books" meet these 3 criteria.

Originally posted by Jumanjima
It's been accepted for hundreds of years that the Bible, Quran and the books that jewish people believe is from god - different interpretations of His message and all that.


...by jews, christians, and muslims.

the rest of the world doesn't accept that Bible and Qu'ran are from God (otherwise they'd be christian/muslim).

Originally posted by Boss
We Muslims beleive that the Holy Quran is God's word because we know that...
1- It's never been changes or corrupted


How do you know this? do you have the original copy for comparison?


2- God is telling people through it that He is the creater of all worlds and that only He should be wrrshiped then.

Why do you think that this makes the Quran "God's word"? Lots of books say that - but you don't consider them to be God's word...


3- The Holy Quran has a very unique and distinguished way that all Arabs were astonished reading or listening to it although the Arabic language was at its summit.

How do you know this. I mean, really KNOW that "all Arabs" were "astonished" by it. and why is that proof?


4- There is a challenge, rather challenges, not only for Arabs but for all people to make even one verse like the Holy Quran's verses. All failed up till now.

I've heard that before too. Quite frankly, there's some fairly un-impressive verses in the Quran, and other writings that are very wise. So on what criteria do you say that each verse of the Quran is superior to every other thing ever written? In other words, how do you judge it?


6- There are many miracles in the Holy Quran (Scientific..ligual..etc) which no other book contains any of them.

I've seen this argued in several previous threads, and frankly none of them are convincing. The Quran is vague enough to mean lots of things... and those things that are specific enough to be testable have been shown to be part of the knowledge base of the times (ie many cultures knew the mechanics and basic development of a human embryo, so it's not a "miracle" that the Quran says that man was formed from a clot of blood - which is not strictly true anyways, it only LOOKS like a clot of blood).

I'm willing for you to present me the prophecies, scientific, and linguistic evidences that you feel are compelling - i'm just saying that the discussions of the past have been unconvincing.


Note: one of the miracles in the Holy Quran is that it tells us that the Bible was changed.


The Quran wasn't written until 700 years after the time of the events of the New Testament, and 300 years after the Nicean Council chose (by committee) which of the various 350-year-old writings would be included in the Bible. This was accompanied by fierce argument, and some churches continued to consider the "Apocrypha" (the parts that weren't included). It doesn't take a huge intellect to conclude that "the Bible has been changed' - heck, there was never an "original" - it's always been a compilation of gospels (memories of the disciples) and various letters written by church elders - with poor agreement as to which parts to include. By 700 AD there had been several chisms in the Church believing different things, so I wouldn't call it any great Miracle that the Quran was able to say the Bible was changed...

I mean no disrespect for your beliefs. I am only responding to explain why the points you put forth are not convincing to me.