SALAM!
My topic is absolutely strange, abnormal and might be even uncomfortable.
The Q is why do we have these people increasing surprisingly.
I am quite stunned to know that many and many of the children (boys) are gays.
And i feel very sorry when I hear about new members being thrown in this list; the blacklist of ....
Whose mistake is to have these bad deeds.
The Q is to be discussed, so plz let's discuss it seriously.
Here u go....

Dear Boss,

I moved your thread in this sabla as you seem to see this issue as an increasing problem within the society.

There is nothing strange about your topic and know that it was disgussed in many occasions in this sabla.

My questions are:

1) In which society do you see such increase? Are you talking about Oman specifically or do you see it as a worldwide problem?

2) You talk about children....are your mainly talking about them or adults (men and women) who are gay by nature, by choice or through bad influence?

Yah, sure, and thanx afterall.
Well, concerning gays and chlidren, in fact i was talking about them in general, but of course Omanis in particular.
As u know, most children here in Oman r gays, not by nature but mostly with choice to be so. Maybe they were not aware when the undergo such things and dont feel the danger of being so untill it is too late.
Of course there r some who had bad influnce, we cant deny that.

Originally posted by Boss
....of course Omanis in particular.
As u know, most children here in Oman r gays, .

I know that they are a lots of homosexual or bisexual men in Oman and I am not sure what started this trend, but I was not aware as you said that most children here are gays too!

If indeed it is true, I think it is only a minority and simply because they are not surpervised by their parents or because they hang aroung older kids who already got this vise and force them in something they ignore.

Waiting for what the other members will have to say...

It is quite natural for children to be curious and especially boys as they are developing.........I wouldn't classify then as gay.....because they are exsploring their first strong feelings of sexuality.......most grow out if it......

cheers
fatak

PS.....Is masturbation gay???? if so then 99.9 % of any male population is gay.....

:rolleyes: What does masturbation have to do with this topic????

Anyways, I think that being homosexual is more of a psychological issue, i mean people dont wake up one morning and decide they are going to be gay, it is much more complex about that. Im not sure about the exact reason behind people wanting to be gay but i remember my sister was explaining something once and she said its more of a psychological thing. Well i'll have to double check but she is a psychology student finiishing her masters degree.

I also wanted to say that i dont think we should out cast these people from our society. They are human after all but they just want to live in a different lifestyle to our own. And what we percieve as immoral, is moral to them. What we perceive as "disgusting", might be perfectly OKAY for them. There is a place for everyone in society no matter how they wish to express their sexuality - whether they wanna be straight or gay, its absolutely no ones decision except their own! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Boss
Well, concerning gays and chlidren, in fact i was talking about them in general, but of course Omanis in particular.
As u know, most children here in Oman r gays, not by nature but mostly with choice to be so. Maybe they were not aware when the undergo such things and dont feel the danger of being so untill it is too late.


Most Omani children are NOT gay! I can't believe you'd say that.
Boys here are caged up, haven't been taught/educated right. Their parents are not educated so it is difficult to pass on something you don't have to your child. Kids are confused, they don't understand what they are feeling and have no one to go and ask about it.

Lets face it we don't have a very open society, if a kid has a problem or a question there isn't many people he can go to for help without being told that it is 3aib and to shut up and not think about such things.

Because of this 'silence' Omanis practice, things like this are what it leads to. Also, boys have older boys teaching them what they know or rather what they think they know.......

I know alot of boys here are sodomized, it happens everyday everywhere and it's sick. One unhealthy uneducated boy does it to another, then that boy thinks it is ok to do it to someone else and so on..... because nobody tells them its' wrong, they assume it's ok.

But classifying them as 'gay' is totaly wrong. A gay person is someone who chooses to be so, who is attracted to members of his own gender. That has absolutely nothing to do with young boys 'experiencing' things they don't even know about or have any control over.

I blame society and parents. Topics like this should be disscussed, a kid should know exactly what's out there, what he's feeling and why he's feeling it. People here need to drop this 'keeping quiet' habbit, wake up and see the result of their silence.

Runnin around
I'd have to disagree
I think that its not fully the societies fault.
Even as a young girl or young boy in kindergarted we know that girls are supposed to be with guys and guys are supposed to be with girls. I mean they see there parents this way, the see there uncles etc...So its not like these boys are confined to an "ALL MEN" environment where they dont see males and females interacting with eachother.
I stilll think its a personal choice and not a desicion which has come as a result of the societies way of life.

Originally posted by Morbid_Angel69
Runnin around
I'd have to disagree
I think that its not fully the societies fault.
Even as a young girl or young boy in kindergarted we know that girls are supposed to be with guys and guys are supposed to be with girls. I mean they see there parents this way, the see there uncles etc...So its not like these boys are confined to an "ALL MEN" environment where they dont see males and females interacting with eachother.
I stilll think its a personal choice and not a desicion which has come as a result of the societies way of life.

Morby maybe you are not familiar with the Omani society. Of course little boys know they are supposed to be with little girls :rolleyes: but in THIS country boys and girls are separated. We have different schools, rooms you name it.
What I'm saying is I blame society for not educating these boys, for not explaining to them why they feel the things they feel for not teaching them, telling them it's ok and it's normal. For not telling them that what is happening is wrong. That is what I blame society for.
And these are kids Morby, a personal choice is a bit difficult for them to fathom much less make the right one.

I agree that the gay population has been increasing rapidly in the last few years. I think being gay can be attributed to the followings:

- Being gay is a practice that can cause addiction. But it is special for its delight. Immature children may feel it delightful and keep on doing it until they reach to a degree that makes it real hard to give up. So, the start here could be initiated by the child's curiosity or a child abuse. I don't believe there are inborn gayes. If so, why didn't have gays in the past, say 40 years ago?

-The number has been in increase because of the big numbers of young men (not children here), who stay home after high school. We have 50,000 students graduating from high school this year and the number is in increase. Unfortunately, no more than 60% can find a place to join after the highschool. The rest stay home and needing all what a yopung man need. Many of them can be easily targeted and got involved in abusive practices.

I feel very sorry for those who got involved in this and may Allah lead those seeking purity and getting rid of it, but I don't agree with accepting this in our society and be more sympathetic with gays. If we do that, then by time it will become something usual and children will see nothing wrong with that. So, let's keep this barrier for the sake of our society.

:eyes: :duh:

I'm not sure what you mean by "children" - until a child reaches puberty any sexual activity is either innocent exploration (with a same-age friend) or abuse by someone older.

For teenagers... well, teenage boys are unrelentingly horny. If, in your society, girls and boys are segregated, then it makes sense that their sexual expression would be with each other (it's the only choice). I've heard the same thing is common in English boy's schools. And of course prisons.

That doesn't mean that they are "gay", they'd rather have a girl. It's situational. There probably are some true homosexuals, but they are born with the preference and don't desire women at all.

I'm sure the proportion of men with homosexual PREFERENCES hasn't changed in the last 40 years, but changing attitudes and opportunities may have made people change their BEHAVIOR, or not try as hard to hide it.

well i dont see something wrong in it,, as long as u r not one, then y bother about others...

and there r alot of things to talk about better than this disgusting subject,, do u know drugs is becoming more used in here,,, y dont u talk about drinking too,,, and im sure that half of the community dont pray,, and 1 quarter of them dont even know how to pray......

Devil with all my respect, if you find this subject disgusting you simply don't have to read it. However, closing our eyes or denying that a serious problem might exist is surely not a solution.

Beside homosexuality, it is true that there are many more issues of discussion like drugs, alcohol, abuse, battered spouse, infidelity and so one....and each suject can be discussed in a separate thread.

posted by runnin' around
Because of this 'silence' Omanis practice, things like this are what it leads to. Also, boys have older boys teaching them what they know or rather what they think they know.......

..... One unhealthy uneducated boy does it to another, then that boy thinks it is ok to do it to someone else and so on..... because nobody tells them its' wrong, they assume it's ok.

I completly agree with runnin' above. Few young boys are spending most of their times with other boys and as their go through their adolescence, it is normal that they experience or wander about their sexual desires.

As it is "haib" for them to discover themselves with other girls, unfortunately they might hand up under the influence of older boys ready to show them what intrigues them at the first place. Unfortunately from a discovery, it end up being a repetitive game and no one is around to show them that what they are doing is wrong. Their friends are doing it, so why not themselves. As they don't know anything else, it might be difficult to come out of it and fancy something else....

At the end, I do blame the parents who should from a very young age explain to their kids what is right and what is wrong, and guide them once they notice that their kids might go on the wrong track...

well in another point of view,, guys do it when they dont find girls,,, so if u want to stop it,,, let girls be easy going with guys;)

Originally posted by devil
well in another point of view,, guys do it when they dont find girls,,, so if u want to stop it,,, let girls be easy going with guys;)

Well ,, 1st you said it's a disguting topic !!

But what i see , you came up with disgusting solutiong to the problem !!

I just wanna ask you one simple question ,,

Since you came up with this solution , what would you say about one of ur family members (female) being easy going with guys ?!

Oh My GOD!!!!

Originally posted by Boss
As u know, most children here in Oman r gays

I'm sorry, but I don't know this and I don't think u r right..

Originally posted by Morbid_Angel69
i dont think we should out cast these people from our society. They are human after all but they just want to live in a different lifestyle to our own.

We shouldn't out cast them??!!
By not doing so, we let this DISEASE grow on n on.
They r sick ppl this is what they are.


Originally posted by runnin' around
Boys here are caged up, haven't been taught/educated right. Their parents are not educated so it is difficult to pass on something you don't have to your child.

Are u talking about 1960's??

Originally posted by MoonChild
If, in your society, girls and boys are segregated, then it makes sense that their sexual expression would be with each other (it's the only choice).

So u r saying that expressing sexual feeling with girls is ok?!
And this is what we call 'Zina' in Islam.

Originally posted by devil
there r alot of things to talk about better than this disgusting subject

Well, in my opinion all problems r disgusting but that shouldn't
stop us from studying them..

what i said doesnt mean im fighting for gays or against gays,, im just somewhere in the middle,,, the best thing u can do is not look at it at all,, coz police catch u if u r with a girl,, but they wont catch u if u r with a guy,, so if a gay goes with a guy, then the police cant stop them and say mamnoo3 boyz to hang around together,, or what do u think??

The real problem is Police don't do anything to
gays who dress up like girls.
They should do something about them..

Originally posted by fatak

PS.....Is masturbation gay???? if so then 99.9 % of any male population is gay.....

99.9% !!!!!!!!!! u r dead wrong man.

the percentage of gays and lesbians has increased here in Oman but so is the rest of the world. that's becasue most gays feel more comfortable in coming out of the closet now than say 10 years ago. ppl are starting to accept gays in society.
i for one hve nothing against gyas as long as they keep their nastiness away from me. each to his own.

Sorry, I know that i am quite late, but i am back.
I was really astonished when I read some of the replys to my topic. It's quite strange to know that some OMANI people would give a cold shoulder to such menacing problems. Why do u think i am discussing this issue?
Because I wanted u all to feel disgusted or ill.
Is it because I wanted to reveal hidden secrets about the society?
Simply, because the problem is getting bigger and more dangerous. I might have made a mistake when I said (most) and I should have said (some); but the problem is that this (some) is scaling up. You might ignore such a topic now, saying that it will do u no harm. But one day, when u discover that one of ur family members, maybe ur own son, has become a proffesional gay, u will feel like something is stuck in ur throat that u wont be able to breathe normally.
The pro is serious, and I am putting it under discussion because I know that two contrary sides r taking place nowadays. While we many people coming back to Islam, we have also others leaving Islam (by what they do).
In this sense, I didnt want our children to be drifted by the other wave; the bad one.
From some time, not very long, I heard a very shocking story of this type. Some boys where found in a mosque doing what some members here in this sabla call (another way of life). Alas; educated people think like this, what about ignorant.
Others where found in toilets of mosques, schools and other places where u never expect to find them.
Does Islam call it (another way of life).
No, my freinds, no. Islam says they should be burned by fire as far as I know.
The pro is dangerous, but the other pro is that only few know for sure it's a problem. Dnd indeed that's another pro, having people mimng OTHER societies.
thanx

For those who didn't read the same topic disgussed in these thread:

Homosexuality : genetic or acquired behavior ?!! (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10132)

Salams,
Well, I disagree with all those who said that there werant any gays in Oman 40 years ago, because the truth is, they were in buisness 40 years ago. Rich people used to employ them to guard their daughters when they go had to go out e.g. shopping, whatever. This is what I was told. If we can see the thing more clearly today, that doesn't mean that it didn't excist yestruday, it just mean that we werent able to see it yesturday. I wasnt Alive 40 years ago, obviously I would assume that there are more gays today than ever before, because I could only see them today.
And yes, I disprove of them! I couldnt yet find a good argument to argue about why I think its moraly wrong. However, I do think that trying things just for the sake of trying them doesnt sound right. Taking drugs just for the sake of taking drugs is not right. Plus, there are many bad things that are associated with homosexuality, healthwise. In addition, I dont see how it is evelusionary beneficial :D ( this is for all those who say "yes" for things that feels wrong!). No kids, no familys, no passing on genes, extinction :PPPPP

About kids...how old are those kids you are talking about???
I think parents should be closer to their children, love them, try and teach them, teach them ANYTHING useful!... even if he/she was a doctor/reporter/taxi driver, and didnt have enough time...
However, knowledge is (sila7 tho 7addain), I mean it could be good, and in some cases it could be bad. In the UK, people try to be homosexuals because they hear about it all the time, and want to try it! I know people who told me that its important to be adventerous in life, that's why its good to try it. In my openion, that is disgusting! This is just like saying " I want to be more adventurous today, I will insert a needle in my vein to see what happens!".
All people have the choice to do whatever they please, but i beleive in having an organised society, living under known rules. There would be less criminals in a society where being a criminal is wrong. According to our law, according to the islamic law, homosexuality is wrong, and it's a sin, for obvious reasons. That's the law I follow.

I guess we have talked a lot about this topic in so many previous threads when you were still not a member Boss.

However being a Gay is not really something abnormal anymore I guess it was never anyway.

As I said before and I will repeat it once again.... those man who grow up normal and for the sake of them being with the wrong ppl, and getting wrong temptations .... choose to become GAYS I totally dispite them for sure... because thats not something as ppl we would agree neither would God.

But those ppl who are born with some Harmon problems.. where the child is born a boy but because it has more feminist hormones it some how during the growth starts acting like a GILR.. that is something we can not control... and all we can do is to try and support, talk to them .. as that’s something between gods hands and I honestly can’t blame them in this case at all.

Oman has started having such ppl very much publically its very funny when you are walking or driving and u see this man wearing a PINK dishdasha .. with a very funny walk.... you tend to double look on the view not because you like what you see, but because you don’t expect to see such ppl very uch in public not when we come from such culture!

Originally posted by Neena

Oman has started having such ppl very much publically its very funny when you are walking or driving and u see this man wearing a PINK dishdasha .. with a very funny walk.... you tend to double look on the view not because you like what you see, but because you don’t expect to see such ppl very uch in public not when we come from such culture!

It is strange and odd seeing a man wearing Pink...

I completly agree with runnin' above. Few young boys are spending most of their times with other boys and as their go through their adolescence, it is normal that they experience or wander about their sexual desires.
Actually X-press i do agree with running and u as well, in our society, a gay is defined as a boy who respects him self, doesnt smoke, aint cool, have interest in girls hobbies as well as his ways in acting, but he is a man..actual;y it makes me sorry to admit it but i do hate kind of boys who think that way, judging people for thei acts, i know i am off point, but return to our issue, i come to blame it in the society and parents, as for the society, mixed school is suppose to be availabe in all part of countries not girls only and boys only, cause it wont give them the opportunity to mix together well, and as for the parents, there is an age where they are suppose to explain their children everything to prevent any future problems..!!
abeer:wink: