View Full Version : What would you do if placed in such a position?


Morbid_Angel69
22-02-03, 08:26 PM
As most of us are aware, it is quite common to find a man or woman who are unable to have children - maybe they have a medical condition which prevents this or maybe they are simply infertile.

What would you do if a close friend of yours asked you to donate your 'egg' if your female or your 'sperm' if you are a male because they were unable to have a child. Would you say yes or would you say no?

Personally, I dont think it would be a good idea because there are many negative aspects of doing such a thing. Firstly, once the child is born, the person who donated the egg or sperm may become attached to the child which could cause many problems in the future. What if the woman who wanted to have a child is single and asks her close friend to donate his sperm to her. BUT this male is already with another woman! What do you suggest?

The woman who is partner to this male will ofcourse feel very upset about the idea AND her partner will be the father of a child that isnt even his!

See, its easy to suggest that having IN VITRO FERTALIZATION is good if you are a single woman and looking to have a child - but there are consequences that follow this.

So people, what do you think?????!?!

(Im sorry if i didnt explain it clearly enough....sorry:sorry: )

Arabian Princess
23-02-03, 02:11 PM
First of all its HARAM!!

so no way I will accept it wether I had children or not .. and wether she has children or not!
Simple!

Navigator
23-02-03, 03:18 PM
Bare with me she is Christian ,,so

is it Haram in christianity ?

Arabian Princess
23-02-03, 03:39 PM
she asked what would I do and this is my answer nav :)

Morbid_Angel69
23-02-03, 05:59 PM
What is so 'haram' about it?
Its not like the man has to sleep with the woman to get her pregnant!
The woman would just request that he 'donate' his sperm to her so she can have a chance to be a mother. So why is it haram in your religion?

I know its something difficult to agree with but people do do this! There are sperm banks in the UK and the USA and other parts of europe where some women go if they want to become a mother and do not have a partner. Then by the process of in vitro fertalization she will become pregnant.

Okay well let me ask you this way:
If your sister was infertile and unable to have children, and she asked you to please give her one of your 'eggs' so that it can be possible, would you refuse????

Arabian Princess
24-02-03, 09:12 AM
I would refuse!!
Its definatly haram. In Islam we have a very important factor which is "nasab: orgins. Every son/daughter has to be sure if this is his father or not. Ofcourse sometimes it is not possible and even in these cases, Islam forbids calling the child with your name (in case you are adopting a non-known father child)

What makes a mom and a father? its not teh 9 months pregnancey but the egg and the sperm!!
So simply, dontaing a sperm or an egg is the same as sleeping with the other persons' partner.


Sorry, I cant accept it!!

Maha
24-02-03, 09:35 PM
well as far as its 7araam then no way i will refuse that ............:rolleyes:

raffee
25-02-03, 06:22 AM
I agree with Arby, and there is a wisdom behind it being 7aram. Maybe not all of the reasons will be evident at first glance, but there is definately many risks involved, especially emotional risks, that make such a choice unfavourable.

Anyways, why would you be so insistent on having a child if you arent able when there are sooooooo many orphans and unwanted children in the world craving for a loving home?? Why not simply adopt, and if you are Muslim, then you may adopt within the religious conditions that permit such a practice, that is, allow the child to keep its name and inform them that they are in fact adopted. There is no other constraint in adopting as far as I know.

Personally, that would be my choice too, and I plan on adopting one day when my children are older.

BomBola
25-02-03, 09:30 AM
Because am very much convinced that it is Haram.. I will never do it..
Thus I will never feel the child is mine.. it is like am cheating on my self.. & if I can't get children then I will accept it cause I have no power to change things.. happiness doesn't occur through children.. so why should I force a thing to happen when Allah doesn't want it..

Morbid_Angel69
25-02-03, 11:32 AM
Hmmmm
how many of you would 'adopt' a child? Or how many of you know someone that has adopted or is thinking of adopting a child?
What do you mean you could never love the child as your own???
If a woman carries a child inside her for 9 months, then 100% the child is hers.
Similarily as the man, if its his sperm but just in his wives sisters 'egg' (because his wife cant have kids), then it is his child!

How can you even say that you wouldnt be able to love this child? What about people who adopt kids? Are you saying that they dont love them?????

And its far from being "just like sleeping with the person". This is a choice which has been made by both sides and by people who are very responsible and ready to take this kind of action. Nothing sexual occurs just in case you guys were getting the wrong idea!
Its just about giving someone the chance to make their dreams come true - and that is to have a child and to raise a child - nothing more and nothing less!
I dont see it as HARAM, to me it is EVERYTHING halal!

Arabian Princess
25-02-03, 11:36 AM
Morbid angel ..
the kid will have the genetic features of the sister not the one who carried him for 9 months!! how can you say that the child is hers!! he isnt, that is scientificly known!

About adopting a child, I dont mind .. I would but under certain constrains such as rafee said. Actually, I have set my mind that if I did not have my own child then I will adopt.

Morbid_Angel69
25-02-03, 12:01 PM
The child may not carry her mothers genes but it will still be the mothers child. Yea scientifically its not 100% hers but in a way it is because the egg that will be fertilized will have her husbands sperm. So technically the child belongs to the mother and her husband.
So you can love an adopted child but not one that you've carried for 9 months just because it wasnt 100% frm you"!?!?!?!?!?
HUH!!?!??! Where is the logic in that????

Arabian Princess
25-02-03, 12:16 PM
I am not talking about loving the child, I would not do it in thef irst place because its haram.

I told you, In Islam we have the concept of orgin. You might not undertsand it but its important to us. So, the child is not teh mothers, its the sister's and the husbands' child .. so how can a wife live like this!!

if your husband was married before you and he got a baby, does that make it your child?? if your husband had an affaire with a woman and she got pregnant and got a child, does that make it your child??? NO .. so does the egg and sperm implanted in your womb.
this is how I see it.

Morbid_Angel69
25-02-03, 12:39 PM
Arabian princess
if a woman really wanted to have children,then she would love the child no matter what. Alot of women have the egg and sperm implanted into their womb and if they are ready to accept the responsibility of being a mother and if they are ready then i dont see what the problem is. Ofcourse a woman could live like that because she would have made the decision to live like that!

Even if i adopted a child i would love it with all my heart and soul and treat it as if it were mine because there are so many children out there who do not have parents and who would do anything to have a family that cares about them.

Arabian Princess
25-02-03, 01:16 PM
I would LOVE my adopted son/daughter too .. coz as you said I chose to take them as my child.
However, the case for us is not the love issue .. its the matter of orgin and this is why you will find many sabla members refusing the concept.

Morbid_Angel69
25-02-03, 02:25 PM
You said you would love your adopted son or daughter but what about their origin??? They would be 100% not yours or your husbands!

Arabian Princess
25-02-03, 02:28 PM
I would love them any way .. I am not loving them because they are mine, I am loving them because I will be taking care of them and my duy is to do it well!!

Morbid_Angel69
25-02-03, 02:49 PM
You shouldnt LOVE because you feel its your duty, you should love because its a natural feeling and you love them as your child!